Open 125: JK9 (Over) before 761

[Empking]

/confirm

[Empking]

Vote: Dejhka

[Empking]

Vote: Emp

Zwet, what was with that suicide thing you quoted?

OMGUS?

[Empking]

By the way, it's "Zwetschge" not "Zwetsche".

What does "Zwetschge" mean?

[Empking]

Hewitt & Shin: Can you random vote please.

[Empking]

Thad: Can you random vote please.

[Empking]

Hewitt & Shin: Can you random vote please.

You know I don't random vote.

I'd like you to do so in this game.

[Empking]

Hewitt & Shin: Can you random vote please.

You know I don't random vote.

I'd like you to do so in this game.

I'm not a sheep Empking, I'm not just going to do something because you want me to. Give me a good reason to and I'll think about it.

Not doing it is anti-town.

[Empking]

That's ridiculous, it isn't anti-town in any way, shape, or form.

It devoids the town of info.

[Empking]

What information can you possibly need from me that you won't get from me not random voting.

Who you'd random vote. How someone would react to your random vote.

[Empking]

Hewitt & Shin: Can you random vote please.

You know I don't random vote.

I'd like you to do so in this game.

I'm not a sheep Empking, I'm not just going to do something because you want me to. Give me a good reason to and I'll think about it.

Not doing it is anti-town.

I fail to see how that can be anti-town. What's important is the reaction, not the vote itself.

Stop making a quote pyramid. How can there be a reaction without the vote to react to?

Hewitt: Only if you accept that not RV is a scum tell. Otherwise people would ignore it.

[Empking]

Not doing it is anti-town.

I fail to see how that can be anti-town. What's important is the reaction, not the vote itself.

Stop making a quote pyramid. How can there be a reaction without the vote to react to?

Hewitt: Only if you accept that not RV is a scum tell. Otherwise people would ignore it.

A quote pyramid? someone is still resenting the quote pyramid of the other game. I'm not like you, Emp. Sorry to disappoint you. The reaction can be, for example, yours to him not voting.

You know people dislike quote pyramids, so you shouldn't make them.

It won't be as good as a reaction as one made by a vote.

[Empking]

That's your opinion. For me, a reaction is a reaction, wherever it comes from. And I wasn't making a quote pyramid. Stop being resentful.

A reaction is a reaction but not all are equally valuable in catching scum.

Yes you were.

Show me the proof you have that I was being resentful.

[Empking]

Can you quit it with your idiotic "give me proof" BS?

You shouldn't make claims that you can't back up if that claim is game related.

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: Zwet

I've played with Zwet before, this level of not usefulness is above the level he's done before. He's also defending Shin or at least trying to get me from responding to Shin.

Zwet: Why are you trying to stiffle suspicion of Shin?

[Empking]

Show me the proof you have that I was being resentful.

[Empking]

*ignores*

Scum tell.

[Empking]

Everything for you is a scumtell. How can we know you are really addressing a scumtell if everything is a scumtell for you?

Give proof that everything is a scum tell for me.

Zwet: I was mildly suspicious of Shin.

[Empking]

And so how is the fact that I didn't notice it a scumtell?

When did anyone say that was a scum tell?

[Empking]

YOU JUST FREAKING DID LAST PAGE!

Quote please.

[Empking]

Can you bold the part where I mentioned you not noticing a scum tell?

[Empking]

Can you quit it with your idiotic "give me proof" BS?

I don't think I implied it but if you inferred it, I was responding to the quote above.

[Empking]

No I didn't. The post I was refering to is the one above that I quoted.

[Empking]

Not another useless discussion with Emp...

I hope this is the last game I play with you, Emp.

Scum tell. Still active lurking.

[Empking]

Active lurking? How in flid is she active lurking?

She posted in the game without progressing it, asking questions or scumhunting or explaining.

[Empking]

I don't think I've played a finished game with Shin but I've played http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10049 with Zwet.

[Empking]

Seems like someone made a mistake with the topic.

Any roads, I've played a game before with Emp (just got lynched in that game), and I agree that he was acting stubborn. Any roads, that attitude of him make him a good lynch in whatever game he is.

Her was scum and I caught him in that game.


Hewitt: It withholds information (that isn't useful to the scum) from the town.

[Empking]

Seems like someone made a mistake with the topic.

Any roads, I've played a game before with Emp (just got lynched in that game), and I agree that he was acting stubborn. Any roads, that attitude of him make him a good lynch in whatever game he is.

Her was scum and I caught him in that game.


Hewitt: It withholds information (that isn't useful to the scum) from the town.

Again, what information because it's already been established that the reactions from somebody not random voting are just as informative.

The information of who you would've random voted.

We haver in no way established that the reactions from somebody not random voting are just as informative.

[Empking]

If it's random then how is that informative. And yes we have, you are just too stubborn to realize it.

Its called the random voting stage but people don't

random

vote. You know that.

No we haven't.

[Empking]

If it's random then how is that informative. And yes we have, you are just too stubborn to realize it.

Its called the random voting stage but people don't

random

vote. You know that.

No we haven't.

Really. Because I don't see the exact point where the "random voting stage" definitely begins and starts.

What's that got to do with anything?

Since when does Mafia have a rulebook for how the game is played and the layout of how it is played.

Who said it did?

A "random voting stage" isn't necessary. In the true Mafia game it doesn't exist,

Proof please.

so why is it necessary here?

Who said it was?

And some people truly do "random" vote Empking, you should know that.

And people vote them for it.

[Empking]

1. A name doesn't have to mean something. Its just the name it was given.

2. Who said it was?

3. That mafia game's scumhunting has very little to do with this game's scum hunting.

4. So why act like somebody had?

5. OK

[Empking]

In the games I checked there wasn't a single town non-voter.

Hewitt: Back up that last post with proof or I'm just going to ignore it.

Hewitt: Why are you arguing that its not needed when nobody thinks otherwise?

[Empking]

I did not check every single game on the site. Answer the question.

[Empking]

I'm arguing because you keep asking the question. I'm answering the question you numbskull.

.

Quote where you answered the question.

I didn't check the newbie games as newbie town acts differently from non-newbie town.

[Empking]

GO READ THE ANSWER. If you can't comprehend where I'm answering your questions that's not my fault.

I can't read what you don't write.

Unvote

Vote: Hewitt

Town Hewitt RVs http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10049

[Empking]

I must've not noticed.

[Empking]

I must've not noticed.

You must've not noticed. You comment on like every little thing every player does how could you have not noticed?

Proof please.

If not random voting is SO important how could you have not noticed that I didn't random vote?

As I just presume players do unless I notice otherwise.

[Empking]

Why would you presume that though?

As most players do.

[Empking]

Oh, please! Can you end that discussion? It's not going anywhere! I agree with hewitt, random voting is not necessary, and Emp suggested that it was some kind of ritual all townies must do in other to prove that they're not scum early in the game. Get over it, Emp, and let us play the game, you scum.

Unvote

Vote: Emp

For thinking that everything is a scumtell.

Trying to make the town lose is a scum tell.

[Empking]

How come anti-town is not scum? Last time I checked, all townies should be pro-town, and all mafia anti-town.

This is complete BS.

And Emp is not doing that. He's just saying that everything he doesn't like is a scumtell.

Quotes please.

Sir: What did I do that was scummy?

I've got a good idea.

We each put ourselves in one of these three groups and stick to it.

I will hunt scum

Empking

I will not hunt scum

Its crazy but I think it'll work.

[Empking]

I will hunt scum

Empking

I will not hunt scum

Dejhka

[Empking]

I will hunt scum

Empking

I will not hunt scum

Dejhka

I will start wearing pants at some point in this game

Grimmy

no promises...

Active Lurking.

[Empking]

First of all Empking we don't need you to point out active lurking, it's useless information to use. We can read the posts so we all know the difference between a useful post and a non-useful post. You posting active lurking is pretty much active lurking itself because it doesn't say anything we don't already know, it's unhelpful and doesn't make an impact on the game in any way, shape, or form..

Are you saying that you knew it was active lurking before I posted that?

I will hunt scum

Empking

I will not hunt scum

Dejhka
Grimmy
Hewitt?

[Empking]

I suspect people for being useless?

TDC: If people put themselves on a list to hunt scum they're more likely to follow through with it. It also let's me know where I stand.

[Empking]

I don't think I'm as rigid as that makes it sound but basically right.

What makes you suspect people?

[Empking]

That's a broad question I can't really answer. People that push crap cases for example.

I'm not saying that "slackers" should be ignored, just that I value lynching scum in

this

game higher than lynching someone to "educate him" for a later game.

Even if townies are just as likely to push that specific case?

When did I say otherwise?

[Empking]

And Dejkha when you go into a game saying that Empking will always be your random vote but that it's not quite so random because you plan on lynching him in every game that's not exactly what I'd call unbiased. Makes me think you're just going for the easy lynch to possibly keep the attention of yourself? Any reason for why?

I wouldn't know, since that's not what I'm doing. I plan on lynching him every game because it's the smart thing to do. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when, so my initial [not] random vote is him (because I know he'll do something to persuade me to vote him) until someone else gets my attention.

Active lurking.

[Empking]

That's a broad question I can't really answer. People that push crap cases for example.

I'm not saying that "slackers" should be ignored, just that I value lynching scum in

this

game higher than lynching someone to "educate him" for a later game.

Even if townies are just as likely to push that specific case?

It wouldn't be a crap case if townies could easily think it up, would it?

When did I say otherwise?

I didn't claim you did.

I thought it sounded like you had.

[Empking]

I thought it sounded like you were.

[Empking]

Okay I have a question, Empking what do you honestly think you're accomplishing by posting active lurking all the time?

Yes as I hope that it encourages people to stop.

[Empking]

I think it's silly to ask a player to evaluate their own game and ask where they've been useful. The ultimate way to rate someone's usefulness to see how useful they are in other player's opinions. If I'm posting useful information and nobody's listening then it's to no avail. If I'm posting crap and everybody's listening then it's misguidance. A player's usefulness is not how they perceive themselves but how other's perceive and use their posts.

Can't you give an example?

[Empking]

Well, Grimmy hasn't posted good content either, but at least he's not acting anti-town, unlike Emp with his "everything I don't like is a scumtell".

Quotes please.

I do not like Dejkha's avatar. Prove that I think Dejkha's avatar i a scum tell.

[Empking]

He's not only useless, but he's also confusing and misguiding town with his attitude.

Proof please.

[Empking]

Hewitt: Quote a useful post of your's. Quote a non-anti town post of your's.

[Empking]

dej: No.

Then I guess it's understandable as to why you're defending him, but I don't see much benefit from discussing Emp. Anyone that's played with him knows what he's like and even people that haven't are beginning to. In this case, there's nothing unusual about you not voting for him when you haven't previously played with him and there's nothing scummy about people that vote for him that have played with him.

Active Lurking.

[Empking]

Yes and what question?

[Empking]

Okay I have a question, Empking what do you honestly think you're accomplishing by posting active lurking all the time?

Yes as I hope that it encourages people to stop.

[Empking]

My bad then, I didn't even see that. I must've been thrown off because it wasn't a yes or no question. If you have to keep posting it though it obviously isn't helping very much.

Can you answer the questions and do what was asked of you.

[Empking]

Grimmy are you gonna give us a reason not to lynch you also or should we just nominate you as a policy lynch as well? Seriously, what's with all these kids in my games recently? I get at least 2 useless ones every game that are playing as if they're forced to be here.

Well you make one.

Hewitt: I read your post (both of them) but I'd like to see a post you consider useful.

[Empking]

Sir: I think Dejhka is active lurking.

[Empking]

Yes.

[Empking]

... to the first or second question?... or both?

First

Hewitt: Would it be fair to say that your reason is "Because Hewitt is lazy"?

[Empking]

It sounds like the reason.

Hewitt: How easy do you find reading someone who doesn't scum hunt and only want policy lynches?

[Empking]

It sounds like the reason.

Hewitt: How easy do you find reading someone who doesn't scum hunt and only want policy lynches?

Depends on which player you're referring to.

Can you just answer with the information given to you.

Unvote
Vote: Dejhka

The townie slip and wanting two policy lynches which is rare even for him.

[Empking]

Hewitt: I'm getting a curious read from that post. Do you think Dejkha has done something other than push policy lynches?

[Empking]

So you're just throwing random things out their that you don't even know are right in the hope that they'll be right?

[Empking]

OMGUS voting (it's Emp, so I don't need to read the thread to know it's there, but I'm sure I could find an example), .

Seems like you're throwing things out there hoping they'll be right.

Dejhka - Where have I voted someone for the sole reason that they voted me?

Dejhka - Didn't you OMGUS me at the beggining of the game?

[Empking]

It doesn't have to be because they've voted you. End of discussion, because I know you'll counter by saying it does and I'm not gonna waste my time.

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Omgus

(Note knowingly lying and trying to stiffle out people pointing out your lie, such as Dejhka just did, is a scum tell.)

[Empking]

Okay well what I think Dejkha is trying to say is that Empking is an OMGUS player. So if I attack Empking, Empking will turn around and attack me no matter whether my attack on him makes perfect sense or not. So basically Empking attacks whoever attacks him instead of say defending himself or reasoning out the argument. And I've seen fair enough evidence of when someone votes for Empking he will turn around and vote that person back.

There's a difference between OMGUS and OMGUS voting.

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Omgus

Also, proof where I did it this game.

[Empking]

Do I really have to explain this to you again Empking? OMGUS can also refer to somebody just saying oh my God you suck. It doesn't have to be a vote this game is not a wiki rulebook where all the terms and definitions on the silly little mafiascum.net/wiki have to be used in the same sense.

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Omgus

Unvote

Vote: Zwet

I've played with Zwet before, this level of not usefulness is above the level he's done before. He's also defending Shin or at least trying to get me from responding to Shin.

Zwet: Why are you trying to stiffle suspicion of Shin?

In all honesty I believe that was an oh my God you suck reaction because he was being rude to you I don't believe your reasoning for voting for him at all.

You don't think Zwet was defending Shin?

[Empking]

Can you quit it with your idiotic "give me proof" BS?

This is Zwet defending Shin against people asking Shin to back them up.

[Empking]

You don't need to read me.

This is very telling.

[Empking]

I don't think the following sentences implied that. Hmmm...

PRUFT

[Empking]

dejkha has the strange habit of not counting cases against him as substance or founded, but then criticizes the person for not posting content.

I have a strange habit of knowing what I'm talking about.

Really?

I also think its odd how you didn't post in this game for 2 days (which is a lot for you), while posting in others, and come back trying to make something out of nothing. Granted, I've seen you do it before in other games, but even after I explained how it's not anything, you seem to still think it is.

If you saw someone commit a scum tell would you take their word for it that it wasn't actually a scum tell?

[Empking]

Then could you explain how I was wrong again? I apparently missed it.

As did I.

[Empking]

Going to random insults. Scum Tell.

[Empking]

Does that mean I can insult you as much as I want and it's ok because it's a scumtell and it's helping you find scum?

Dejhka just claimed scum.

[Empking]

Does that mean I can insult you as much as I want and it's ok because it's a scumtell and it's helping you find scum?

Dejhka just claimed scum.

I fail to see your logic.

If he commits a scum tell and it helps me find scum the scum tell dropper must be scum.

Dejhka said that him dropping cum tells would help me find scum.

Dejhka is scum.

[Empking]

I still think Emp's a better lynch. If you see, he's been lurking lately, adds nothing to the discussions, and probably, it will stay the same for the rest of the game.

vote: shinnen

this may have been true about 8 pages ago but we are well into the game now and have actual content to base our suspicions on rather than just playstyle.

It's not playstyle. He just hasn't done anything that proves me that he's not scum. He's still lurking, only posting his "scum-tells". Emp is still scummier in front of my eyes.

But Siroginus's lurking is also calling my attention...

I'm lurking because I only post scum tells.

[Empking]

Personally, I've found Thad to be a very good player.

[Empking]

Tha=ThAdmiral

[Empking]

EMP- if you had to pin down one scum in this game, who would it be? and why have you not voted for said person yet?

Dejhka and I'm pretty sure I'm voting for him.

[Empking]

Ahh!.... I guess I feel like an outcast. o_o

To me, they just seems like two old men arguing playing over false teeth.

i thought they play checkers to decide who gets the teeth?

grimmy
thinking of the pixar cartoon

How didf that help lynch scum?

[Empking]

Mod: Is that vote count right?

I don't think there's anything wrong with gut feelings TBH.

[Empking]

Do you prefer gut feelings over thought out cases?

No but I don't think we should consider gut a bad reason to vote someone.

[Empking]

Um... Yes we should.

I don't agree.

[Empking]

Zwet: Who are your top two suspects?

[Empking]

Zwet, don't answer yet.

Emp, why do you want him to tell you that, when I've seen you avoid doing that because you thought it was scummy, because it tells them who is most suspicious?

I'm against saying who's town. I've got no problem with top two suspects.

[Empking]

Maybe, but the quote I have from you is "Telling the scum your reads on people (save when you replace in) is anti-town."

That's not specific to telling them who you think is town. Note that when you said that, it was asked that you give opinions on who you thought was town and scum. You did neither for that reason.

If I was to take that literally in my play style then I'd never vote.

[Empking]

Either way, you didn't even go through with saying who you thought was scum, which, to you, seem harmless. Instead, you said asking that was anti-town. So it seems to me, you're doing something that you think is anti-town.

Saying who I think are scum also reveals the people I think are town.

[Empking]

So, by your own logic you are, not only, helping them narrow down who he thinks is town, but you want him to tell you he finds most suspicious (meaning: who they should keep alive)? Doesn't seem very pro-town by your standards.

Every single post a pro-town playing player makes does that.

Zwet: Do you think an out of context quote from another game seemingly contradicting another post is a major scum tell?

Zwet: Why did you want to find a scum tell on me?

[Empking]

No, every post doesn't do that. But if it did, why were against it for that reason when you were asked to do so?

Giving concrete/unambiguous reads on every player is anti-your win con.

Saying the two players you think are scummiest can be a good for a town thing.

Zwet: Answers, please.

[Empking]

Saying the one person you think is scummiest can be good for town and it comes in the form of a vote. We should force scum to decide for themselves who we think is scummy, we shouldn't tell them. We should at least refrain from giving away to much info unless it looks like we'll be NK'd. Say everything you need to in the thread, but only make your top suspects known if you mention 3 or 4 possible people that you have cases against. Makes cases, but not lists of any form, no matter how long or short.

Like if Day one were to end now, we would need to make scum decide who they think will be a top suspect in Day 2 based on the indirect information they have here of who we think is scummy. They would have to make the decision based on the presented cases and the attention that's on certain people. That's why I don't want anyone giving their top whatever number suspects. Not until later in the game at least.

Apart from you and me, do you think you know who Zwet's top suspect is?

[Empking]

Contradictions are always bad, and I do have a policy of lynching players who contradict themselves. I'm already voting for you, Emp, but I now I have a stronger reason to do so.

You can't take a post from another game and consider it an incredibly major scum tell becaudse when taken out of context it looks like it contradicts something.

[Empking]

Apart from you and me, do you think you know who Zwet's top suspect is?

According to the vote count, it's me. But his top suspect will be clear depending on where his vote lies at the end of the day.

Apart from you and me, do you think you know who Zwet's top suspect is?

[Empking]

Oh sorry, I misunderstood the question. Know, I wouldn't know. It's seems like this game has revolved around you for the most part. Either way, I don't want to make it clear to scum who he thinks is suspicious.

I think the fact that you don't "know" is giving Zwet a way to make sure that he doesn't contradict himself. The fact that I have no idea ,apart from you, who Zwet finds scummy is scummy.

[Empking]

Doesn't excluding people sort of defeat the purpose of asking for a top suspect?

Nobody excluded someone when asking for a top suspect.

[Empking]

I endorse the above statement.

You endorse that you should be allowed to not give an opinion on anyone but Dejhka.

That's a surprise.

Dejkha: Let's say Zwet is scum, shouldn't we force him to give an opinion so that if he pushes somebody's lynch we should have a way to go back and say "He said she was town here"?

[Empking]

He can give opinions, but I'm saying I don't want him directly saying who his 2nd or 3rd suspect is. I want him to say who he suspects while making cases, but not by making a list. Lists tell scum who his top suspects are, cases don't. Cases make them guess.

If he won't give opinions then we need lists (though I don't consider 2 names a list).

[Empking]

True, but that's why we wait. There's no rush to get opinions from a single player, but if he doesn't make any, then we have a problem.

We're on page 21.

[Empking]

Vote: Empking

... Yup.

My vote is staying here now...

Empking, I seriously believe you're panicking.

About what?

[Empking]

Oh sorry, I misunderstood the question. Know, I wouldn't know. It's seems like this game has revolved around you for the most part. Either way, I don't want to make it clear to scum who he thinks is suspicious.

I think the fact that you don't "know" is giving Zwet a way to make sure that he doesn't contradict himself. The fact that I have no idea ,apart from you, who Zwet finds scummy is scummy.

Right here.

Look at that comma after "idea."

What about it?

[Empking]

It's improperly placed.

That is the FIRST mistake with punctuation you've made the whole game, which just happened to be between the back and forth with you and Dejhka.

Henceforth, I believe that's panicking.

I put a puncuation mark in the wrong place. That's why you're voting me?

[Empking]

Empking: Do you usually make posts of the "my top three suspects are.." variety?

No. I think I make it reasonable clear who my suspects are without that.

[Empking]

But when asked to, you'd comply?

When iven a specific number? Yes.

[Empking]

I chose Emp because everything he doesn't like it's a scumtell. Scumtelling almost everything just distracts town, which is, at least for me, scummy. Also, I don't think he's helping much, and there's plenty of meta that backs up that he won't help much in a future. Would you like to reach end-game/near endgame with a player that won't help much? I seriously believe that he's either scum or a anti-town player; one way or another, he is not good for the town.

Shin, I think I've worked out why you think I'm scummy.

a) You're scum.
b) You don't play to win so dislkike things that aren't scum tells.

Am I right?

[Empking]

What makes you think I think Shin is scum?

[Empking]

I chose Emp because everything he doesn't like it's a scumtell. Scumtelling almost everything just distracts town, which is, at least for me, scummy. Also, I don't think he's helping much, and there's plenty of meta that backs up that he won't help much in a future. Would you like to reach end-game/near endgame with a player that won't help much? I seriously believe that he's either scum or a anti-town player; one way or another, he is not good for the town.

Shin, I think I've worked out why you think I'm scummy.

a) You're scum.
b) You don't play to win so dislkike things that aren't scum tells.

Am I right?

That just says I'm not ruling out her being scum.

[Empking]

You said, and I quote, "You're scum."

That does not sounds like you are "not ruling out her being scum." To me that clearly says you think "You're scum." What is so difficult to understand about that?

I meant a or b.

[Empking]

See it looked to me as if you were listing two reasons.

Did it? Interesting.

[Empking]

Yeah. Obviously. You said you've figured out why he thinks you're scummy and then you listed two reasons.

Yes but not 1 then 2.

[Empking]

Since when does reasoning have to be listed as 1. and 2.? I've seen it listed as A. and B. before I don't get what you're trying to prove here.

You're acting as if its inconeivable that I meant or.

[Empking]

I would trust his judgment in endgame more than I would trust yours (no offence, but he has just played about 10 times the amount of games that you have).

You mean you would trust his OMGUS judgment in endgame over Shinnens legit judgment? That's stupid. (Not saying

you're

stupid, just the action itself is). That's not an insult to Emp either, but clearly it would be a stretch to actually call it "judgment".

Shin, I think I've worked out why you think I'm scummy.

a) You're scum.

Translation: If you find someone scummy, you're scum. Looks like I just helped Shinnen a bit with her case against Emp.

That is a possible explanation.

[Empking]

Dislike.

[Empking]

I get the distinct feeling that its all an act and that hidden away somewhere in there is actually a decent mafia player.

You really think he's acting infinitely scummy every single game until ithe makes it to lylo and then he'll starting talking like a british detective and start making sense? I don't think so. And that's leads me to

FoS: Admiral

I don't act scummy, you just say I do.

[Empking]

Yes you do, its a fact and everyone that has played with you knows it. But arguing this will be the equivalent to changing someones mind about their religion, meaning, you just can't get through to them, so I won't. Even though I know you would love to derail this topic.

Dejhka: Do you know what "scummy" means?

[Empking]

He's always like this and I don't think he could change without people walking him through it. Meaning, I don't think it's intention. Why play like he does on purpose when it only helps scum?

It's clearly intention. He's playing like he does because it allows him not to expose too much of himself and therefore it is, as you say, harder to get a read on him, and therefore harder to make a case against him.
I would suspect that this would have developed during his introductory phase in mafia where, as we all would have experienced, he got lynched early and often and so retreated in to this playstyle which acted as something like a defence mechanism. Then it became habit.
I also think he enjoys other peoples annoyed reactions to him, which is his (slightly warped) way of exacting revenge on the people who lynched him early and often during his introductory phase.[/psychoanalysis]

And it doesn't only help scum.
.

Which ,forgive me if I'm wrong, was you?

Dejhka: Quote three posts you think you made that were there to help the town?

[Empking]

No

I'll take that as a "I can't"

[Empking]

Shin: Why are you trying to threaten ThAd from speaking against policy lynches?

[Empking]

I don't know... I think TheAdmiral is trying to hard to defend Emp, while Emp just stays in the back, with his single-phrase answers.

TheAdmiral, I can understand that you want to defend Emp so hard because you might be convinced that really, REALLY deep inside him there's a good player. But, why trying so hard? You're getting yourself in a bad position, as now people may start wondering if you're just scum that is helping a scumbuddy in problems (which, btw, I'm starting to think that as well).

This is a threat.

Stop defewnding him or we'll say you two are scum buddies.

[Empking]

I don't know... I think TheAdmiral is trying to hard to defend Emp, while Emp just stays in the back, with his single-phrase answers.

TheAdmiral, I can understand that you want to defend Emp so hard because you might be convinced that really, REALLY deep inside him there's a good player. But, why trying so hard? You're getting yourself in a bad position, as now people may start wondering if you're just scum that is helping a scumbuddy in problems (which, btw, I'm starting to think that as well).

This is a threat.

Stop defewnding him or we'll say you two are scum buddies.

That's not a threat. I'm asking why he's risking his position by defending you, when you don't seem to care to do that by yourself.

Sounds like one to me.

[Empking]

Says the one that thinks that everything is a scumtell...

Proof please.

[Empking]

Aha!
That's what you meant!

I would say the pressure from Zwet and Dejhka.

Mostly post 485 where Dejh finds the slip in Empking...

The mistake happens when Empking tries to defend himself... Which is where I go the whole other part from...

There was no slip.

[Empking]

im quote happy with my vote, and zwet's jumping at the bit to lynch emp for what is mostly a policy lynch makes me more confident.

Grimmy

Yet another grasshopper that finds it convenient to ignore my reasoning.

Why don't you repeat your reasoning?

[Empking]

Geez, TheAd, you have a bizarre fixation with me... Any roads... So, I'm scummy because I suposed I'd be alive for D2? Right...

Is there actually a problem with that reasoning?

[Empking]

Saying "^goodposting^" is badposting. Granted, so is saying "^badposting^", but the point still stands.

Personally, I don't think saying "^badposting^" is badposting.

[Empking]

Can somebody please hammer?

Why are you voting me?

[Empking]

Oh, please! Can you end that discussion? It's not going anywhere! I agree with hewitt, random voting is not necessary, and Emp suggested that it was some kind of ritual all townies must do in other to prove that they're not scum early in the game. Get over it, Emp, and let us play the game, you scum.

.

Is that the case?

[Empking]

No. The case is that you are anti-town. You answer everything you don't like with "it's a scumtell", or, in the best of cases, with a "Proof". You are just bad for the town. And bad things need to be eliminated.

Proof please.

[Empking]

To help I'll give yuou a post I don't like and I'll believe you if you give an example of me calling this post a scum tell or asking for proof from it.

Ill be away until next mondayor tuesday, but I dont think i will miss much more than Dej and Zwet playing Post pong for another few pages.

grimmy
its like watching tennis, but even MORE dull!

[Empking]

You should be voting her emp.

What's the scummiest thing she's done?

[Empking]

Empking: You haven't lost a single word about zwet pseudo-hammering you.
Why?

I don't think it sheds any light on Zwet's role.

[Empking]

I enjoy hammering. I've hammered on the page I replaced into a newbie game, and I was town. (I think, as I can't find the game)

Oh, by the way.
I've searched for your newbie games.
There are three finished ones.
One you played from the start, and two you replaced in.
In both games you replaced in you were scum. In one of these two, you quicklynched someone as you replaced (on the page you replaced).
But yeah. You were scum, not town.

You are a liar.

This sheds some new light on things.

Zwet: Any defence?

[Empking]

Unvote

Vote: Zwets

The multiple quick scum hammers but unable to provide a town quick hammer.

[Empking]

Yeah, now he has to be lying. I'm very happy with my vote now.

[Empking]

Nope. I said I think, as I didn't remember.

I'm referring to the confict (I see) between:

EXACTLY! EXACTLY! EXACTLY! Sheesh.

and

I enjoy hammering. I've hammered on the page I replaced into a newbie game, and I was town. (I think, as I can't find the game)

not the fact that you were scum in that game.

[Empking]

Empking: Why did you think the hammer was null until I checked his story?
I assume you haven't witnessed him doing that before, either.

I didn't think he would lie about something so easily checkable and I heard of his self-hammering so quickhammering didn't seem unlikely.

I did see him quick lynch before that was him quicklynching his scumbuddy.

[Empking]

ThaD: What are your thoughts on Zwet?

[Empking]

Mod

: Deadline rules?

[Empking]

Zwets: Grimmy, TDC, ThAd, Empking
Empking: Hewitt, Zwet, Dejhka, Shin
Not voting: Sir

[Empking]

OK seriously? 2 people on L-1?...

Ridiculous...

Empking
-1 Zwet

Grimmy
-1 Zwet

Zwetchenwasser
-1 Emp

ThAdmiral
-1 Zwet

Shinnen_no_Me
-1 Emp

dejkha
-1 Emp
+1 Zwet

TDC
-1 Zwet
+1 Emp

hewitt
-1 Emp

You know what.

Scum have to be on either of these wagons somewhere.

Vote: Empking

Siro's thoughts

Grimmy - T
TDC - ?
ThAd - ?
Empking - ?
Hewitt - T
Zwet - ?
Dej - T
Shin - T

More ?'s are on Zwet's lynch...

Would it have killed you to scum hunt?

Also, your T/? split could seem confusing since ? obviously stands for town.