Mini 758 - Normalcy (GAME OVER)

[Lowell]

vote ben

I am neither miller nor mason. Carry on.

[Lowell]

spyrex gets townpoints. KoC does not. Carry on.

[Lowell]

Nah, just making a note of it for now. When I have a more complete take on things I'll share, I promise.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote caboose

for the long-winded explanation about how his one-liners are better than my one-liners. String him up!

[Lowell]

I don't find one-liners, or "townpoints" or "scumpoints" scummy. I do, however, find hipocrisy scummy. Caboose looks much worse in this interaction with spy.

I also like plum's 105.

[Lowell]

ps- today is my 30th birthday. So am I the oldest on MS by 15 years, or what?

[Lowell]

It really needs to be caboose instead of spyrex. spy's shameless buddying in his last post notwithstanding, I can't get over caboose's repeated, and inane, defense of why though it looks like a one-liner and smells like a one-liner, it's somehow not a one-liner when caboose does it.

[Lowell]

It's stupid to lynch such an active player, but it's better than nothing. I won't be online tomorrow morning, so let's get this done.

unvote, vote spy

[Lowell]

I'm an idiot. Totally neglected this game?

Are these votes because I hammered a townie? Or are there actual, non-opportunistic reasons?

[Lowell]

... and I 100% believe the caboose claim.

[Lowell]

vote riceball

almost entirely for 154. I hate posts like that.

[Lowell]

RBT. Why do you so easily believe it. I'm gonna vote on you.

But you didn't.

I agree with plums arguments against you yesterday, but think you generally slipped under the radar yesterday.

Yeah, I'm pretty good at that. It's helpful to do such things as town, as they do not look to me for their suspicion.

Points for you to argue against.
[quote:"RBT"]So far I like Spyre. Not a fan of the Lowell/KoC thing.
[/unquote]

Can you clarify your meaning behind this?

It's pretty straight forward if you ask me.

It implies distrust towards KoC and Lowell. Can you make a full argument against them?

Not on page 3...

I also dislike that you are selective in your suspicion. You have ALL the reason to doubt CABOOSE's claim

and we have plenty of reasons to believe the claim too.

and KoC is absolutely correct to want to discredit it within reason.

And I can't find it suspicious that he wants to discredit it so quickly?

Why do you believe Cabooses claim so easy?

I see no reason not to.

And can you post longer than five lines?

Good luck on that.

That said,

VOTE:Lowell

almost entirely for 158. Voting someone you agree with is awfully scummy.

Wrong. We don't agree. I believe the claim, you passive-aggressively sort of agree with it.

[Lowell]

I'm going to claim anyway.

I'm a

one-shot tracker

I forgot I had a powerrole so I didn't use it last night.

The fact that I'm one-shot, btw, is why I believe caboose. Someone protect me for one night only and I'll make it worth your while. Thanks.

[Lowell]

Wow that's dumb logic.

[Lowell]

You guys are dumb to blame caboose but not me.

Had I remembered my role I ALSO would have used it N1. There's no point in waiting with one-shots, as the chance of dying is too high.

That said, it's dumb to kill either of us.

[Lowell]

Okay I'll make a deal with you.

Don't lynch me today, lynch me tomorrow if you must. There are two alternatives:

1) I'm lying scum- there's nothing to be lost by letting me live until tomorrow.

2) I'm TELLING THE TRUTH- scum will have to decide whether or not to kill me to prevent me from using my one-shot ability. If they do, then that saves everyone a kill. If they don't, then at least I get a result out before I die.

[Lowell]

I'd prefer RBT, but will switch my vote if needed to avoid a no-lynch.

[Lowell]

Is that actually a hammer or are we still a vote short?

Someone do us a favor and end this.

[Lowell]

The doc claim doesn't impress me. It is absolutely what scum would claim. KoC, it's scummy to let this go without a lynch.

[Lowell]

sorry ive been away.

I used my one-shot. KIERNAN did not go anywhere.

[Lowell]

Indeed.

I still want RBT dead.

[Lowell]

BTW, the reason I used my one-shot on kieraen is I figured RBT would be expecting it, so if he were scum I'd just end up dead anyway or someone else would make the kill.

[Lowell]

emp, I explained this. I didn't want to target my biggest suspect, because I figured it would be stopped somehow (either by me dying or him--RBT-- not making the kill).

[Lowell]

More detailed post will come when I get a chance. For now I'll say I find KoC very town, Kiraen slightly town, and RBT suspiciously absent.

vote RBT

[Lowell]

If you notice Dejkha and KoC leave their votes on Kierean both ensuring RBT’s survival.

If we were scum, we'd have voted RBT, who you (and I) believe to be town, said today "better than no lynch, right?", and we'd be in LyLo today. Not lynching someone you believe to be town = town move. Not voting someone to lynch them and put the town into LyLo today = town move. So why do all the cases against me seem to based on me doing something which was inherently a townie action, by giving us an extra day of scumhunting?

I don't agree with this. If you have some information such that you

know

RBT is town, then do tell. Otherwise it's speculation, and a lynch is better than no lynch.

[Lowell]

RBT is still the one who's claim I don't accept. Claiming one-shot doc in a game full of one-shots does nothing to impress me, and the fact that we couldn't find a hammer even when we KNEW we were facing no lynch is upsetting.

KoC is implicated in this, I think, and is likely to be RBTs buddy if he turns up scum. That he not only (a) didn't vote for RBT at deadline, but also (b) tried to frame this action as pro-town (it obviously isn't) to sway others not on the RBT bandwagon from hammering, looks bad. As much as he says otherwise, KoC willingly letting a deadline go (at the risk of killing what essentially, even if wrong, would only be a vanilla role!) is scummy.

[Lowell]

@KoC- to answer your question, I don't think there's anything that would make me believe RBTs claim. It isn't going to change.

[Lowell]

Emp- I guess I changed my mind. I found KoC townish, but now I find his cockblocking our lynches detrimental.

TBH, I haven't been paying that much attention. I've been trying to understand why so many people are so steadfast in their refusal to lynch RBT.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote kieraen

. Whatever. No lynch twice in one game? Terrible.

I'll be around to switch to KoC if it comes to that.

[Lowell]

There's been on kill each night, except last night, when there was two.

Benmage claimed the kill, and no one counterclaims. He's not an SK or there'd be two more bodies. And for the record, killing N1 is what all vigs do, especially in minis where the chance of dying is so high.

What's there to think about? The guy is a vig. The only thing I don't understand is why he didn't try the kill again N2.

On to actual business. Someone tell me since I forget. Did KoC clear RBT or did RBT clear KoC?

[Lowell]

Except for the part where I'm a one-shot and you offer no explanation, your vote almost makes sense.

[Lowell]

Some things:

1)

unvote

. I now agree with RBT. I can't see scum KoC going so far to defend scum RBT. WIFOM if you must, but I don't see it.

2) Unpopular as I will be for saying this, we need to strongly consider a no-lynch. If there are two scum left, an mislynch here is game over. Limiting the field by one makes successful lynch easier.

3) I'd like a mass-claim to happen.

4)

vote dejkha

. I tend to think emp is town based on his recent play. He's clearing ben, and KoC being scum (on further reflection) now makes RBT more townish to me.

[Lowell]

So what if you're killed tonight? We're lynch or lose anyway if there's two scum left. Why take the chance?

[Lowell]

Ben, assuming you're town, it will still take all 3 town to gang up to kill scum. So, no, it doesn't matter. Right now I have five candidates to choose from. Having four necessarily makes it easier.

The only reason NOT to no lynch tonight would be if there's a doc or vig floating around that haven't used their abilities. Based on claims that isn't the case. No lynching is a win/win situation.

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The "Happy Earthday" Votecount

Votecount

Lowell (1) - Riceballtail
dejka (1) - Lowell

Not Voting (5):

dejkha, Atronoch, Benmage, EmpTyger

4 to lynch

[Lowell]

NO! This is stupid. DO NOT VOTE ME.

It is insane, at this point, to lynch me. Tell me what about my claim... made VERY EARLY in the game, looks wrong to you, before you vote.

Also, there's no SK in this game. Emps explanation for how ben could be SK is implausible.

[Lowell]

I'll vote for atronach or dejka. That is all.

[Lowell]

Now you know. Never lynch lowell. He's great.

[Lowell]

Emp had me fooled for sure. I think there's a scenario where we would have gotten on the last day intead of the mislynch, but I think emp was going to win anyway. Well done.

[Lowell]

edit: .... would have gotten

atron

on the last day....