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I can answer this one:charter wrote:Yes, why was afatchic replaced before moospiker?
Yes, but if you've played with fatchic, you'd know that he's often irrational, acts extremely anti-town even when town, and becomes frustrated as a result. Perhaps it was a bit unfair of me to characterize it as a potential lurker lynch, but again, I'm a bit biased toward fatchic, considering I know his alignment.Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:Characterizing afatchic as a flaker and lurker lynch does not do enough justice. Firstly, for the entire last month, afatchic had been continuously promising to give some serious analysis, but never manages to do so while posting on minor things to seem like he's contributing. So I thought he was likely to be lurking-in-plain-sight-scum. And what made this even worse was that afatchic was posting significantly in other games while avoiding and eventually giving up in this game, which signaled to me that he was not motivated to play as scum who is being attacked from multiple directions.kuribo wrote:MM calls fatchic out on not contributing (yes, that happens WHEN PEOPLE FLAKE)...MM calls fatchic scummier than JDodge. (This is a thinly veiled lurker lynch)
1. Irrelevant. There's time to sort things out, and it'd be stupid to lynch him today. Moospiker's behavior is sufficiently disturbing enough to call it into doubt.Vi wrote: A few things I'd like for you to follow up on.
*Moospiker's claim. True or false?
*Least likely to be scum. Vi, eldarad, or Machiavellian-Mafia?
*JDodge. Safely Town or room for doubt? (Or comical third option?)
*charter. Safely Town or room for doubt? (Or comical third option?)
I don't do it for your benefit, though, I do it for mine and to give my thoughts on what's happened.charter wrote:Not liking kuribo's replacement post (though I do appreciate it not just being a summary of the game. Hate when that's all a replacement post is. I've been in the game, I know what's happened). I will elaborate later.
I don't know for a fact that you're both scum together, only that you're both my prime suspects.Vi wrote:Like what.kuribo 355 wrote:It's also blatantly ignoring some of the other criticisms I've had of you.
I asked if I was missing something, and you gave me a vague-as-heck answer like this. Similarly, I asked what I could do to change your opinion, and you ignored that question entirely. If this is how you're going to go about this, I'm going to be as helpful as you are.
It's not irrelevant. Lest you forgot, there are two scum in this game, and you've already named them IYO. If you've found both scum, Moospiker's claim is true.kuribo 355 wrote:1. Irrelevant. There's time to sort things out, and it'd be stupid to lynch him today. Moospiker's behavior is sufficiently disturbing enough to call it into doubt.
You did. You also called M-M for a "thinly veiled lurker lynch", which would seem to me to be a significant scumtell.kuribo 355 wrote:2. MM. I thought I made that clear I thought you and eld were most likely scum partners?
'See, my problem with what you're doing is similar the same problem that caused me to vote charter (oh wait, I only did that as an excuse to pair up with eldarad; logic be darned). You claim to have found both scum, and are thus proceeding to dismiss what other people are doing as Very Scummy but not worthy of your interest.
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Is this stance worth reconsidering in light of Moospiker claiming Cop soon afterward?kuribo 355 wrote:You question charter's interest in staying alive, on the contrary, I read that as charter thinking ahead to the NK and not wanting to tell the scum who they should kill. This would set him up Day 2 as a target for lynching when his "Most Favoritest Townie" turns up dead that night. Regardless of HIS alignment. But, where it ACTUALLY leads from there is circular. (Did he really kill them, or did the scum want us to think that? Or did the scum just think the person was pro-town as well?)
Because, assume I believe Vi and Eld to be scum together. We don't have to lynch both in one day. I believe Vi to be scummier, in part because of Kris' behavior.charter wrote: Your page eight summary. All you basically say is we should be pressuring Vi. Why? Why did your analysis of page eight and on become much much less meaty than the first seven pages?
And most importantly, WHY VOTE VI, WHY NOT ELD?
So you think Kris was protown, too?Machiavellian-Mafia wrote: While on that subject, I still like kuribo as my #1 suspect since the most important part of his analysis, Vi=scum, is something I strongly disagree with because I view Vi as the most not-yet-claimed protown player.
Do you often play while high? Or just this game?Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:I had a mostly neutral read on KRkuribo wrote:So you think Kris was protown, too?Machiavellian-Mafia wrote: While on that subject, I still like kuribo as my #1 suspect since the most important part of his analysis, Vi=scum, is something I strongly disagree with because I view Vi as the most not-yet-claimed protown player.
Okay then, pass that stuff you guys are smoking over here to me.charter wrote:I thought Kris was pretty town.
No freaking crap. It's not like I'd expect you to say, "Oh my god, now that I think of it, kuribo's right! Vi IS my scum partner! I'll be damned."eldarad wrote: I see and acknowledge His Majesty kuribo's Vi-eldarad scum theory. Not buying it, sorry.
Wait, I'm seeing something in my crystal ball.charter wrote:Brilliant idea fresh from the noggin'.
Whoever sees the post where Sim announces Moospiker's replacement first, post in bold something like "[Moospiker's replacement] we have already massclaimed, everyone has claimed townie, can you confirm Moospiker's claim that you are indeed a townie? Please answer immediately."
The point is to do it before he can read the thread. Hopefully he doesn't see this post, and I don't think we need to discuss this and increase the chances of him seeing it. I really see no downside to this idea.
Are you asking our permission? I don't understand why people do this.Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:By the looks of how this game is quickly grinding to a halt, I'm willing to move my vote to elderad fairly soon to put him at L-1.
Let me reiterate: Are you looking to shift the blame if he comes up town after a lynch?Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:By the looks of how this game is quickly grinding to a halt, I'm willing to move my vote to elderad fairly soon to put him at L-1.
Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:Your first post: No. I'm basically notifying others that I'm ready to move forward unless someone still has something significant, such as willingness to vote for you.
And yet when I use that same logic towards Vi, your reply is "lolololol I didn't think Kris was scummy lololol." Even Vi said he can understand the criticism of Kris.Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:It more like your predecessor was very scummy and you haven't done anything to significantly quell the scumminess.
You're right, I absolutely should keep my mouth shut when people set themselves up to shift blame for the lynch.charter wrote:It would have been a good idea to not say this. Then we could have seen what he did tomorrow if eld is town. Now he surely won't do it.kuribo wrote:Let me reiterate: Are you looking to shift the blame if he comes up town after a lynch?Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:By the looks of how this game is quickly grinding to a halt, I'm willing to move my vote to elderad fairly soon to put him at L-1.
"Hey, guys, I know I put him at L-1, but I said I was willing to do it and no one objected!"
charter wrote:He's saying I'm scum cause I post in other games more frequently than this one...
Yes, because your predecessor was scummy, and while my certainty of you as scum began to waver for a bit, I don't see your case against charter as air-tight.Vi wrote: @kuribo. Am I still your top suspect?
Especially when there are a few players on this site who do it even when town. And despite getting lynched / vigged constantly.JDodge wrote:Active lurking as a tell is also rapidly becoming invalid.
Funny, because from my point of view, if I believe Sche, it means me and him are town, and any of you three could be scum.charter wrote:What?
If I believe Sche, it means him and kuribo are town, I'm town, that leaves you and jdodge.
You supposedly need to be making up your mind about it too. Funny how you don't seem to realize this.
Ah.charter wrote:That was directed at Vi.
uh, I thought I made it clear yesterday that I think you're probably scum?Vi wrote:And that makes me wrong, or scum? Of course, putting in your own two cents on it is welcome.kuribo 494 wrote:I'm not liking alot of Vi's logic in trying to "sort things out."
Only that I'd like to read over things a bit.Vi wrote:To contrast, your waffling grows stale.kuribo 502 wrote:hmmmm... the plot moistens.
'Anything else to add?
Yes, but if your assumption is also that Sche is a cop, then you'd also have to assume that he happened to investigate a Godfather when he investigated me and got that innocent result. Possible, I'll say, but likely? Maybe, given the small number of players. But still.charter wrote:I think it's jdodge + kuribo. Gotta do some rereading before voting though.
Also, I was thinking. It might make sense not to lynch jdodge/vi today. If we nail scum today that isn't them (and assuming sche is cop) then it's an autowin tomorrow. Of course this excludes the scenario that it's jdodge/vi, which I find very possible.
The fact that, as I've stated, I've found you scummy in the past, but I'm not sure if you're scummy enough for me to ignore the case against JDodge. I worry that the fact that I've found you scummy may be biasing my opinion. And unlike the others, I'm not willing to entertain "maybe" hitting a scum by choosing between Sche and charter--- either you or JDodge is scum, and they're the only choices I'm willing to entertain.Vi wrote:Shouldn't that be everyone's problem right now? Bird in hand > two in bush, or something like that.kuribo 524 wrote:See, my problem is that I know one of those two is scum, and I haven't figured out which.
Granted, we need people here for that to go very far.
@mod: Prods, replacements, modkills, gift certificates, etc.
@kuribo: What's got you hung up on your decision?
me tooVi wrote:I'll replace Scheherazade if you'll let me!
Good! Maybe you can make more sense of this game than I can.Sotty7 wrote:Hi all. Currently about half way though the game. I have to step out and do some things, but I should be all caught up this evening, tomorrow at the latest.
That's exactly what I've been trying to say.Sotty7 wrote: Add onto the fact then when it comes to JDodge or Vi we know that one of these guys IS scum. Is it a hard choice, damn right it is, but it is a choice that gives us the best chance to win the game.
You're right, let's not choose between the two claimed docs.charter wrote: Basically, we have to choose between charter/kuribo at some point, so there's no sense in trying to guess jdodge/vi as well.
Okay, suppose we lynch one of kuribo/charter today. We get it right. Tomorrow we STILL have to choose between jdodge/Vi.charter wrote:No. Say we lynch one of jdodge/Vi today. We get it right. Tomorrow we STILL have to choose between kuribo/charter.
All I'm doing is not deciding between jdodge/Vi. No sense in making it extra complicated, at least from my standpoint.
This from a guy whose only hope for survival under his own plan is to lynch the cop-confirmed innocent?charter wrote:No. Sche investigates one of them tonight. He gets an innocent, then we know who not to lynch. He gets a guilty, we know who to lynch.
You're right, it makes much more sense to assume that the Cop has already investigated the Godfather, and figure we can lynch one of the claimed docs tomorrow.charter wrote:Why on god's green earth would the GODFATHER pull this counterclaim? Why would they risk the GF when the goon can do it and leave the GF to be immune to the night investigation?
Sorry, but your idea there doesn't make any sense.
Why not?charter wrote:Why would the GF counterclaim doc instead of the goon?
When we assume, we make an ass out of you and some guy named Ume.charter wrote: I'm flat out assuming the GF would not be picked to counterclaim (I say counterclaim, but it could be just claim if Vi is scum, you get the idea). PLUS how is me pointing out this confusing?
Agreed.kuribo wrote:stupid CPU Quota
- How can I answer questions for someone else? Anything I say would simply be me making crap up. (ie, I cannot answer for him any better than you can)charter wrote: - kuribo never answered anyone's questions for afatchic
- kuribo never answered anyone's questions at himself
- kuribo did a great job of active lurking and flying under the radar
- kuribo is now trying to say that the GF would be the one counter/claiming doc today. This flat out doesn't make sense (I can explain again why if someone besides kuribo wants me to)