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Hi party people.
I'll catch up after I get back from lunch.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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I can answer this one:charter wrote:Yes, why was afatchic replaced before moospiker?
When I PM'd the mod, I told him I'd be willing to replace afatchic. I didn't know the game needed two replacements. *shrug*Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Anyway, I'm preparing my Ultimate PBP of Ultimate Destiny.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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LIVE! From an abandoned tire factory, replacing afatchic in this game... the one, the only, kurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrribo!
I type these as I read, so any developments that occur further in the game will be noted as they occur. My thoughts are in parentheses.
Page 1- Random Vote Stage off with a bang. Kris votes with what he claims to be a reason 20 posts into the game, and says he'll jump off if it gets close to a lynch. I don't like that at all. Moospiker calls him out on it. Good. JDodge questions this logic as well. Page 1 Summary- Man, this town doesn't screw around, does it?
Page 2- fatchic correctly says that voting can carry a reason besides a lynch. JDodge knows that, says that it's not the only way to get things moving. (He's right) Fatchic and Moospiker agree. Kris says he was only kidding. (Dunno bout this, seems like a lame joke) Accuses JDodge of backpedaling. (Where? the Bizarro world?) Kris accuses Moo of not providing content. (Somewhat agree) Moo plays the dumb newbie card (I hate when people do this) JDodge defends himself from Kris' shaky attack. Moo agrees with JDodge. charter softly accuses Kris of reaching. (BTW, Kris really is reaching) Kris accuses JDodge of using lots of words to confuse people... and then proceeds to write a post longer than the Old Testament. (This post comes down to basically nothing) JDodge accuses Kris of twisting his words. (Somewhat true) JDodge disagrees with Lynch All Liars. (ugh mafia theory) charter doesn't think agreeing is scummy. (True. Scum can be disagreeable too.) Moo and fatchic are calling Kris out on this. JDodge says that it's possible to straddle a neutral position. Kris wants evidence that he's being manipulative. (what?) Lots of back and forth between JDodge / Moo vs Kris. Page 2 mercifully at an end. RUH-HEALLY not liking Kris right now. He's reaching for arguments, making very little sense, and becoming increasingly agitated.
Page 3- The seeds we sow. Kris is getting some blowback from his behavior. He minimizes the facts against him by calling them baseless. (They're not, and minimizing the case against you is one of my favorite scum-tells) Avinyl posts in purple (go Ravens), Moospiker asks for a claim, because that's L-1. (wait, isn't this page 3? Bad form Moo, and Avinyl gets negative points for the L-1 vote so fast. I'm not liking Kris right now, but L-1 on Page 3? Seriously?) charter says he's not really accusing him (You kinda were, but if you want to say "awww, poor guy, it's okay, I won't stop you, I guess) Charter pops his vote onto Moospiker for asking for the claim. Avinyl says he didn't notice the starrie vote (Maybe if you were actually playing...) Kris wants justification for charter's opinion (WTF?) JDodge rightfully says no one has any evidence right now. Moo jumps down JDodge's throat and votes him for calling he and Kris scumbuddies. (ugh) charter thinks moospiker is scum, too. Page 3 summary- Kris' behavior is becoming more erratic. I disagree with JDodge about Moo being Kris' scumbuddy, but some of Moo's behavior needs answered for. I don't like Avinyl's "I wasn't paying attention" answer to his L-1 vote.
Page 4- Fatchic questions Dodge's conclusion. Moo plays the newbie card (ugh) and fatchic rightly calls him on it. Avinyl for some reason doesn't find Moo as scummy anymore. (TRY TELLING US WHY) Debate about the newbie card. Lurking, Prods, etc. Kris attacks JDodge some more. charter wants to know why Moo thinks JD is scum. Page 4 Summary- I think Kris is fairly good at dodging the questions posed to him and hiding the fact in long posts. Don't like the newbie card. Everyone is basically lurking.
Page 5- fatchic makes absolutely no sense, charter calls him scum for flip-flopping. (it's not hard to think Moo's scum right now) Moo says fatchic's been flip-flopping, in some bizarre defense of him. Back and forth between charter and fatchic. (Problem with afatchic, having played two other games with him, is that he often makes little sense or comes to poor conclusions) JDodge pops his head in to defend himself. Avinyl says "HEY! STARRIE! GET BACK HERE!" and votes them. Page 5 Summary- JDodge needs to post more, Kris is throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks, still not liking Moo.
Page 6- Lots of prods. You slackers. Looks like we're a-stringin' Moo. I'd prefer Kris, and I have no idea how you people decided this would be a better alternative. Vi replaces Kris. Vi gives a pretty accurate portrayal of the game thus far. Moo says he doesn't know who the scum are. (What, didn't your role PM tell you who your partner was?) Everyone wants a claim, and hold the phone, Moo claims cop. You're the worst cop ever, if this is true. Claims to have tried to softclaim. (Not buying it) MM comes in. fatchic says that there's no point in voting an un-counterclaimed cop. (True) MM lists who he thinks is scum and who's not (I hate this, it tells the scum who they should NK) Also, he likes Kris' logical methods. I guess they're nice. If you're high. Page 6 Summary- Vi almost changes my mind about Kris, but two posts won't do it, scum, sorry. No longer suspecting Moo. Yet.
Page 7- charter doesn't buy the DPQ breadcrumb (me neither). JDodge votes fatchic. I don't find chic scummy, I guess I'm biased Moo goes back to Vi / Kris. (Good!) Vi wants to know why you would unvote an uncounter-claimed cop if you don't believe his breadcrumb. (Because he's AN UNCOUNTERCLAIMED COP! DURRRRRRRRR!) charter calls Avinyl out on bad behavior. charter wants Moo's top suspects. In order. Vi says telling people his suspicions makes him a target. (No. Telling people who you think is TOWN makes THEM a target) How the hell do you play mafia without voicing suspicions? Vi claims it wasn't serious. MM thinks JDodge is a bit scummier. Page 7 Summary- God, you people are long-winded.
Page 8- charter says there's a slim chance there's a second cop. Says if Moo was the cop, he shouldn't have been rolefishing. (Interesting point, since if there's a Doc, the Cop needs him alive) More pressure on fatchic. He's accused of straddling the line. (I guess? But not nearly as much as Avinyl) Why the hell aren't you people pressuring Vi?
The band comes out because it's HALFTIME! It's also the part where I lie and say I'm watching The Shield instead of, say, Caroline in the City Season 1 on a DVD that I got off of Netflix.
Page 9- Charter wants avinyl lynched. He's replaced by eldarad. Vi calls eld out for twisting his words. eld says Kris wasn't scummy (like hell) Wants an explanation as to why charter unvoted Moo. (Because he's AN UNCOUNTERCLAIMED COP! DURRRRRRRRR!) charter thinks eld is scum. Me too. MM makes an interesting point about JDodge. I still think Vi is scum.
Page 10- Vi finds eld scummy and votes him. (Or bussing?) eld claims vanilla townie. (yeah, okay, and I'm the King of Siam) charter makes a bit of a case on eld. Explains that he thinks eld and Moo are the scum pair. (I say Vi and Eld, but, hey) Vi reinforces that in my diseased mind by taking eld off L-1. (Was it the vanilla claim that did it for you?) eld and charter going back and forth a bit. Vi votes charter. (saw this coming)
Page 11- Moo is as useful as tits on an ostrich. charter thinks Eld is grasping at straws to discredit him. (yeah) JDodge promises a case on fatchic. Lots and lots of long-winded back and forth on this page.
Page 12- MM calls Vi "the most town-tells out of everyone." Sure, if you're in OPPOSITE LAND. Man, this discussion is making my eyes bleed.
Page 13- MM lurker-votes JDodge. (Seriously, JDodge does this crap all the time) JDodge points out that eld is obviously trying to save his neck. The case against fatchic is... fair. But fatchic is an erratic and irrational player and almost always comes off scummy. eld thinks charter and fatchic are linked. MM says meta is pointless (Wrong wrong wrong wrong. WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. You're wrong! You're wrong! You're wrooooooong!) MM uses an example where ignoring meta led to a win (Even a broken clock is right twice a day) JDodge points that fact out. Calls him out on hypocrisy, as does charter. (I missed this) MM calls fatchic out on not contributing (yes, that happens WHEN PEOPLE FLAKE)
Page 14- eld jokes that Vi is scum (You would know, wouldn't you?) MM calls fatchic scummier than JDodge. (This is a thinly veiled lurker lynch) Vi says the replacements are the scum's enemy. (Glad to know you see me as your enemy) Kuribo replaces in. (I loathe this man)
Aaaaaaaaaaand that's the recap.
I think if it's not clear that I was heading in this direction, you should read my PBP. Again.
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Yes, but if you've played with fatchic, you'd know that he's often irrational, acts extremely anti-town even when town, and becomes frustrated as a result. Perhaps it was a bit unfair of me to characterize it as a potential lurker lynch, but again, I'm a bit biased toward fatchic, considering I know his alignment.Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:
Characterizing afatchic as a flaker and lurker lynch does not do enough justice. Firstly, for the entire last month, afatchic had been continuously promising to give some serious analysis, but never manages to do so while posting on minor things to seem like he's contributing. So I thought he was likely to be lurking-in-plain-sight-scum. And what made this even worse was that afatchic was posting significantly in other games while avoiding and eventually giving up in this game, which signaled to me that he was not motivated to play as scum who is being attacked from multiple directions.kuribo wrote:MM calls fatchic out on not contributing (yes, that happens WHEN PEOPLE FLAKE)...MM calls fatchic scummier than JDodge. (This is a thinly veiled lurker lynch)
1. Irrelevant. There's time to sort things out, and it'd be stupid to lynch him today. Moospiker's behavior is sufficiently disturbing enough to call it into doubt.Vi wrote: A few things I'd like for you to follow up on.
*Moospiker's claim. True or false?
*Least likely to be scum. Vi, eldarad, or Machiavellian-Mafia?
*JDodge. Safely Town or room for doubt? (Or comical third option?)
*charter. Safely Town or room for doubt? (Or comical third option?)
2. MM. I thought I made that clear I thought you and eld were most likely scum partners?
3. Room for doubt. There's always room for doubt--- I don't trust anyone except myself until I have reason to.
4. See 3.
You question charter's interest in staying alive, on the contrary, I read that as charter thinking ahead to the NK and not wanting to tell the scum who they should kill. This would set him up Day 2 as a target for lynching when his "Most Favoritest Townie" turns up dead that night. Regardless of HIS alignment. But, where it ACTUALLY leads from there is circular. (Did he really kill them, or did the scum want us to think that? Or did the scum just think the person was pro-town as well?)
And of course, alot of why I think you're scum rests on Kris' behavior. So? You yourself said that you can't much blame that point of view, and he WAS extremely scummy. It's also blatantly ignoring some of the other criticisms I've had of you.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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I don't do it for your benefit, though, I do it for mine and to give my thoughts on what's happened.charter wrote:Not liking kuribo's replacement post (though I do appreciate it not just being a summary of the game. Hate when that's all a replacement post is. I've been in the game, I know what's happened). I will elaborate later.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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I don't know for a fact that you're both scum together, only that you're both my prime suspects.Vi wrote:
Like what.kuribo 355 wrote:It's also blatantly ignoring some of the other criticisms I've had of you.
I asked if I was missing something, and you gave me a vague-as-heck answer like this. Similarly, I asked what I could do to change your opinion, and you ignored that question entirely. If this is how you're going to go about this, I'm going to be as helpful as you are.
It's not irrelevant. Lest you forgot, there are two scum in this game, and you've already named them IYO. If you've found both scum, Moospiker's claim is true.kuribo 355 wrote:1. Irrelevant. There's time to sort things out, and it'd be stupid to lynch him today. Moospiker's behavior is sufficiently disturbing enough to call it into doubt.
You did. You also called M-M for a "thinly veiled lurker lynch", which would seem to me to be a significant scumtell.kuribo 355 wrote:2. MM. I thought I made that clear I thought you and eld were most likely scum partners?
'See, my problem with what you're doing is similar the same problem that caused me to vote charter (oh wait, I only did that as an excuse to pair up with eldarad; logic be darned). You claim to have found both scum, and are thus proceeding to dismiss what other people are doing as Very Scummy but not worthy of your interest.
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Is this stance worth reconsidering in light of Moospiker claiming Cop soon afterward?kuribo 355 wrote:You question charter's interest in staying alive, on the contrary, I read that as charter thinking ahead to the NK and not wanting to tell the scum who they should kill. This would set him up Day 2 as a target for lynching when his "Most Favoritest Townie" turns up dead that night. Regardless of HIS alignment. But, where it ACTUALLY leads from there is circular. (Did he really kill them, or did the scum want us to think that? Or did the scum just think the person was pro-town as well?)
Of course I questioned charter's actions. I QUESTION EVERYONE'S ACTIONS.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Because, assume I believe Vi and Eld to be scum together. We don't have to lynch both in one day. I believe Vi to be scummier, in part because of Kris' behavior.charter wrote: Your page eight summary. All you basically say is we should be pressuring Vi. Why? Why did your analysis of page eight and on become much much less meaty than the first seven pages?
And most importantly, WHY VOTE VI, WHY NOT ELD?
And the analysis becomes "less meaty" as you put it because you freaking people went on and on and on and on for 8 freaking pages about the same freaking crap that went nowhere. One page consisted almost solely of requests for prods and complaining about flakers.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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And to say you don't see how my logic leads to a Vi vote ignores Kris' scumminess--- which even Vi admits.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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So you think Kris was protown, too?Machiavellian-Mafia wrote: While on that subject, I still like kuribo as my #1 suspect since the most important part of his analysis, Vi=scum, is something I strongly disagree with because I view Vi as the most not-yet-claimed protown player.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Do you often play while high? Or just this game?Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:
I had a mostly neutral read on KRkuribo wrote:
So you think Kris was protown, too?Machiavellian-Mafia wrote: While on that subject, I still like kuribo as my #1 suspect since the most important part of his analysis, Vi=scum, is something I strongly disagree with because I view Vi as the most not-yet-claimed protown player.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Okay then, pass that stuff you guys are smoking over here to me.charter wrote:I thought Kris was pretty town.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Yeah, I have my issues with MM, but even I don't see him as sniping at people who are unlikely to respond.
If anything, he's questioned me a fair bit, despite the fact that I'm exceedingly likely to respond.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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No freaking crap. It's not like I'd expect you to say, "Oh my god, now that I think of it, kuribo's right! Vi IS my scum partner! I'll be damned."eldarad wrote: I see and acknowledge His Majesty kuribo's Vi-eldarad scum theory. Not buying it, sorry.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Wait, I'm seeing something in my crystal ball.charter wrote:Brilliant idea fresh from the noggin'.
Whoever sees the post where Sim announces Moospiker's replacement first, post in bold something like "[Moospiker's replacement] we have already massclaimed, everyone has claimed townie, can you confirm Moospiker's claim that you are indeed a townie? Please answer immediately."
The point is to do it before he can read the thread. Hopefully he doesn't see this post, and I don't think we need to discuss this and increase the chances of him seeing it. I really see no downside to this idea.
Yes, I'm seeing the victim of this ruse. Why, he's posting a thread in Mafia Discussion deriding you for your lack of ethics. And now I see six other people agreeing with him while you feebly try to defend your actions. And hold on, here's a guy saying "great, give people another reason not to be nice and replace into games."
This is terrible. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Also, unless he's a complete idiot, he'll think you're just rolefishing.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Are you asking our permission? I don't understand why people do this.Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:By the looks of how this game is quickly grinding to a halt, I'm willing to move my vote to elderad fairly soon to put him at L-1.
"Well, gee, I'm REALLY thinking about voting..."
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Let me reiterate: Are you looking to shift the blame if he comes up town after a lynch?Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:By the looks of how this game is quickly grinding to a halt, I'm willing to move my vote to elderad fairly soon to put him at L-1.
"Hey, guys, I know I put him at L-1, but I said I was willing to do it and no one objected!"Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Yes, keep pushing that bit where the only case you have against me is that I found Kris scummy.Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:Your first post: No. I'm basically notifying others that I'm ready to move forward unless someone still has something significant, such as willingness to vote for you.
Holy shit I disagreed with the hivemind, that must make me scum.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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And yet when I use that same logic towards Vi, your reply is "lolololol I didn't think Kris was scummy lololol." Even Vi said he can understand the criticism of Kris.Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:It more like your predecessor was very scummy and you haven't done anything to significantly quell the scumminess.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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You're right, I absolutely should keep my mouth shut when people set themselves up to shift blame for the lynch.charter wrote:
It would have been a good idea to not say this. Then we could have seen what he did tomorrow if eld is town. Now he surely won't do it.kuribo wrote:
Let me reiterate: Are you looking to shift the blame if he comes up town after a lynch?Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:By the looks of how this game is quickly grinding to a halt, I'm willing to move my vote to elderad fairly soon to put him at L-1.
"Hey, guys, I know I put him at L-1, but I said I was willing to do it and no one objected!"
IN OPPOSITE LAND.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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I was sorta with you until you said that MM wants to lynch lurkers, when it's pretty clear he doesn't.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Yeah, but afatchic always looks scummy, and I'm not just saying that because I replaced him. I've played like two or three other games with him, and the guy never looks pro-town, so that makes him a pretty easy target.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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not everything anti-town is scummy
for example, some players insist on pushing retarded logic during their games. They do this, even when town.
Does it hurt the town? Yes. So it's anti-town.
Is it scummy? No, because they're still town.
Lack of motivation can be for alot of reasons: Person burned out on mafia, person not being interested in a particular game, person thinking you're a douche. Lack of motivation in townies hurts the town, but that doesn't make the person scum. It just makes them lazy.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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A scummy behavior isn't just anything that harms the town.
The town can be harmed if a player decides to spam each page with 10 posts of the letter A.
Yes, it harms the town, but it doesn't help scum achieve their endgame either.
If something's scummy, that means it's something that scum do to ensure their victory.
So tell me how being lazy makes scum MORE LIKELY to win. What you're describing is a character flaw at best, not unlike my unending rage toward other players.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Lazy townies deny potential information to the town, too.
Some players are just lazy. (See MafiaSSK for a glaring example)
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I think that if you're basing your opinion of charter on his level of activity in this game, you're either half-crazy or scum trying to go for the kill.
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I suppose I've misinterpreted your previous post where you said he was correct in stating:
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Yes, because your predecessor was scummy, and while my certainty of you as scum began to waver for a bit, I don't see your case against charter as air-tight.Vi wrote: @kuribo. Am I still your top suspect?
In fact, it seems to me like you're hell-bound and determined to push that wagon, even if others are pointing out your fallacious logic.
And that's pretty bad coming from me, considering charter and I haven't been on the same page.
You're falling back on a "Lynch the Lurker" mentality, and in such a small game, I can't see that helping the town.
The difference between anti-town and scummy? Pushing to lynch a lurker in a small game is scummy. (Hint: it keeps pressure off of you and knocks out someone you know to be town)
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Especially when there are a few players on this site who do it even when town. And despite getting lynched / vigged constantly.JDodge wrote:Active lurking as a tell is also rapidly becoming invalid.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Funny, because from my point of view, if I believe Sche, it means me and him are town, and any of you three could be scum.charter wrote:What?
If I believe Sche, it means him and kuribo are town, I'm town, that leaves you and jdodge.
You supposedly need to be making up your mind about it too. Funny how you don't seem to realize this.
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Ah.charter wrote:That was directed at Vi.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Moospiker falseclaiming cop would be pretty risky though.
There's only one setup that allows for two cops, and a very small number that call for none at all. So for him to falseclaim cop would be his death sentence upon counterclaim and result in his scum partner being left alone.
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uh, I thought I made it clear yesterday that I think you're probably scum?Vi wrote:
And that makes me wrong, or scum? Of course, putting in your own two cents on it is welcome.kuribo 494 wrote:I'm not liking alot of Vi's logic in trying to "sort things out."
Of course, there's the possibility that we don't have a doc at all and that JDodge / Vi are the scumteam. But if neither of them were the doc, that makes it awful risky for both to claim doc. So, one of them is almost certainly a doc, which makes the other scum.
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broke my quote tag, the first part is Vi talkingJoin me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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hmmmm... the plot moistens.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Only that I'd like to read over things a bit.Vi wrote:
To contrast, your waffling grows stale.kuribo 502 wrote:hmmmm... the plot moistens.
'Anything else to add?
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Vi- Having looked over things, I still don't like Vi, but it's entirely possible that I'm biased because I didn't like him on my first readthrough, either. I've already laid out why I think he's Mafia. Although, more recently, I think he's approaching the setup with a more open mind than JDodge. I don't like the case he laid out about why the cop claim shouldn't be valid. Of course it's valid.
JDodge- I don't like the idea that he wants to lynch either charter or myself today. Considering we have two claimed docs, and that neither setup allows this, it's clear that one of them is lying, and almost certainly scum. So he'd rather take a chance on lynching two of the unknowns? I don't like it.
charter- Some of his behavior of late has disturbed me. He seems to have flip flopped back and forth a bit about Sche, and there have been other concerns raised by others. I'm leaning town for charter, but also because there's no point in lynching anyone besides one of the claimed docs.
Sche- Alot of his behavior pre-claim is disturbing, but that's why he was forced to claim. I mostly believe him at this point, but of course I know that if we make the right lynch today, there's always time to return to Sche tomorrow.
So basically, I'm torn between the two obvious choices. I haven't decided yet if Vi's recent behavior is actually scummy to me, or if I'm biased because I found so much of his behavior before to be scummy.
They're both also speculating about who the other scum is. Keep in mind that one of them actually is scum. (because we make the assumption that only the world's most retarded townie would lie about being a doc in LYLO)Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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I'm not downing you for voting charter, since we don't yet know his alignment, either.
I don't like when people use "I'm a newb" as an excuse, but I can certainly see that.
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Yes, but if your assumption is also that Sche is a cop, then you'd also have to assume that he happened to investigate a Godfather when he investigated me and got that innocent result. Possible, I'll say, but likely? Maybe, given the small number of players. But still.charter wrote:I think it's jdodge + kuribo. Gotta do some rereading before voting though.
Also, I was thinking. It might make sense not to lynch jdodge/vi today. If we nail scum today that isn't them (and assuming sche is cop) then it's an autowin tomorrow. Of course this excludes the scenario that it's jdodge/vi, which I find very possible.
If one believes both Vi (if one thinks JDodge is scum), and believes Sche, that makes YOU the scum. Which, naturally, you wouldn't say.
See, my problem is that I know one of those two is scum, and I haven't figured out which.
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The fact that, as I've stated, I've found you scummy in the past, but I'm not sure if you're scummy enough for me to ignore the case against JDodge. I worry that the fact that I've found you scummy may be biasing my opinion. And unlike the others, I'm not willing to entertain "maybe" hitting a scum by choosing between Sche and charter--- either you or JDodge is scum, and they're the only choices I'm willing to entertain.Vi wrote:
Shouldn't that be everyone's problem right now? Bird in hand > two in bush, or something like that.kuribo 524 wrote:See, my problem is that I know one of those two is scum, and I haven't figured out which.
Granted, we need people here for that to go very far.
@mod: Prods, replacements, modkills, gift certificates, etc.
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And by Sche, I mean his replacement Sim.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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and by that I mean I'm an idiot who didn't read "I'm replacing Sche" as "I, the mod, am going to find a replacement for Sche." that's what I get for posting when half asleepJoin me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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me tooVi wrote:I'll replace Scheherazade if you'll let me!Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Good! Maybe you can make more sense of this game than I can.Sotty7 wrote:Hi all. Currently about half way though the game. I have to step out and do some things, but I should be all caught up this evening, tomorrow at the latest.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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That's exactly what I've been trying to say.Sotty7 wrote: Add onto the fact then when it comes to JDodge or Vi we know that one of these guys IS scum. Is it a hard choice, damn right it is, but it is a choice that gives us the best chance to win the game.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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You're right, let's not choose between the two claimed docs.charter wrote: Basically, we have to choose between charter/kuribo at some point, so there's no sense in trying to guess jdodge/vi as well.
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Okay, suppose we lynch one of kuribo/charter today. We get it right. Tomorrow we STILL have to choose between jdodge/Vi.charter wrote:No. Say we lynch one of jdodge/Vi today. We get it right. Tomorrow we STILL have to choose between kuribo/charter.
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This from a guy whose only hope for survival under his own plan is to lynch the cop-confirmed innocent?charter wrote:No. Sche investigates one of them tonight. He gets an innocent, then we know who not to lynch. He gets a guilty, we know who to lynch.
Who's to say that the fake doc isn't a Godfather? Course, if Sotty IS a cop, that means you're scum, and we won't have an investigation tonight if you get them to lynch me.
You've overplayed your hand, good sir.
Vote: charter
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Personally, I think charter reveals more about his intent than he lets on.
Perhaps his partner IS a Godfather, and he's hoping that even if he fails to get my lynch today, he's set up the seeds of doubt for tomorrow. So, if he's the lynch for today, then tonight the cop either investigates his partner or the real doc. Either way getting an innocent, and putting his buddy in a good position for the win.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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You're right, it makes much more sense to assume that the Cop has already investigated the Godfather, and figure we can lynch one of the claimed docs tomorrow.charter wrote:Why on god's green earth would the GODFATHER pull this counterclaim? Why would they risk the GF when the goon can do it and leave the GF to be immune to the night investigation?
Sorry, but your idea there doesn't make any sense.
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It means just what I said: I think you've set forth this argument in an attempt to put your partner in an advantageous position tomorrow.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Why not?charter wrote:Why would the GF counterclaim doc instead of the goon?Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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Because the fact that you think to point out its unlikelihood makes it even more likely that such a play would be done to further confuse the town.
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Because the fact that you think to point out its unlikelihood makes it even more likely that such a play would be done to further confuse the town.Join me on my quest to play every NES game! Some of them are awful.
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When we assume, we make an ass out of you and some guy named Ume.charter wrote: I'm flat out assuming the GF would not be picked to counterclaim (I say counterclaim, but it could be just claim if Vi is scum, you get the idea). PLUS how is me pointing out this confusing?
Agreed.kuribo wrote:stupid CPU Quota
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I still don't understand the assumption that there IS a godfather.
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- How can I answer questions for someone else? Anything I say would simply be me making crap up. (ie, I cannot answer for him any better than you can)charter wrote: - kuribo never answered anyone's questions for afatchic
- kuribo never answered anyone's questions at himself
- kuribo did a great job of active lurking and flying under the radar
- kuribo is now trying to say that the GF would be the one counter/claiming doc today. This flat out doesn't make sense (I can explain again why if someone besides kuribo wants me to)
- Hurrr, yes I did answer questions about myself. Care to reiterate what you want answered?
- I have never actively lurked or flown under the radar. (unlike yourself in this game)
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