Mini 680: Portlandia- Game Over!

[Knight of Cydonia]

If you weren't willing to lynch on a hunch, why put the vote there at all? You can hardly call it a pressure vote, since he's already claimed, and you yourself admitted your hunches are almsot always wrong.

FoS Mr Adams

[Knight of Cydonia]

Make that 4.

Vote: MrAdams

The fact you unvoted for no reason other than to try and get votes off you stinks. If you'd said "Okay, I was wrong about wanting to lynch unconfirmed Miller", it might have made more sense, but you didn't. I suspect if people had left you alone about it that vote would have stayed there all the live-long day.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Um... how, exactly? All he saying is that if Adams answers his questions, he'll consider unvoting him. Right now, Adams hasn't answered, so chaz hasn't unvoted...

[Knight of Cydonia]

A quick day one lynch is bad for the town, even if you are scum.

Not if he's scum, it isn't. It's one scum down on Day 1, which is a big boost.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Mr Adams - OMGUS, much?

[Knight of Cydonia]

More Adams votes plz. kthxbai.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I would gladly sacrifice one innocent townie on Day 1 to "out" the 2 scum who pile on a guy before anyone could react.

Actually, in the two games I linked (yes, I know ones a newbie game) the people who finished the lynch off quickly were town...

I think Zazier is thinking about this bit. Which I'm a little wondersome about as well.

Vote Count as of post 100
(4)Mr_Adams: farkshinsoup, X, chazworthington, Knight of Cydonia
(2)chazworthington: TheSweatpantsNinja, bionicchop2
(1)X: Zazier,
(1)Y.C: q21
(1)YOUNG ERIC: Y.C
(1)Knight of Cydonia: Mr_Adams

Not Voting: Riceballtail, Xtoxm,

Xtoxm replaces YOUNG ERIC, effective immediately.
Riceballtail has NOT been replaced by Xtoxm. Sorry 'bout that.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Is there any point claiming vanilla at L-2?
Xtoxm: what better options? If you're going to claim there are better lynches, at least show us them.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Damn simulposting.

[Knight of Cydonia]

You changed your mind that quickly, Xtoxm? Trying to build a wagon to save scum?

[Knight of Cydonia]

You went from not having any concrete suspect other than just saying "there are better lynches" with no evidence for any of them, to leaping on Zazier with a single line of evidence, without even asking Zazier if there was any reasoning behind her vote still being there.

[Knight of Cydonia]

So in other words, you don't suspect X, but you're voting him anyway.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I may well be interested in a SPN wagon if ZZR doesn't happen.

You bring up an interesting point on KOC, but i'm ok with my vote on ZZR

"If the wagon I'm currently pushing fails, I'll be more than happy to jump on the next convenient one! Or this one that's just being started!" You're spreading out so many different accusations, and agreeing with so many bandwagons it hurts. Scummy, much?

Mr Adam's "Oh I don't care" when he looks like being lynched and then suddenly coming back as soon as the wagon dissipates makes me lean a bit more town on him, since pretty much every time that's happened in other games it's been a town player.

unvote; Vote Xtoxm

Fark: that Mr. Adams votepost of mine you quoted, where the hell did I say I wanted a quick lynch in there? I did say later that I wanted him lynched fairly quickly, but at no point, as you seem to be implying, did I say "No more discussion, lynch Adams now".

[Knight of Cydonia]

That's still not exactly saying "No more discussion", is it. I said one scum down quickly is a boost to the town. So why did you feel the need to turn that post into "No more discussion, just lynch him!"?

[Knight of Cydonia]

LURKER SCUM!

XD

Xtoxm - dismissing a case as crap without any counter argument =/= answering a case properly.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Wow, Zazier or Mr. Adams - both are looking scummy enough for a lynch, IMHO.
Still don't like Mr. Adams, so I'll keep my vote where it is, but

HoS: Zazier

.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Xtoxm - chainsawing a little, there?
Mr. Adams - please, for the love of God, say something in your defence other than OMGUSing half the town AND failing to put any reason behind your OMGUS vote on me other than "I don't like him".
It's pathetic, do you not want to play or something?

[Knight of Cydonia]

They'll have me to answer to

It's still a legitimate town thought process when you feel the votes against you are complete shit (sometimes are...). I've been in the situation before.

Your last two posts have been in defence of Adams, before even he defended the posts you referred to.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Xtoxm - would you like to buddy up any more?

unvote; Vote Xtoxm

Seems to be fitting into his scum meta like a glove right now: and having been his Godfather in Fantasy/Sci-Fi Mafia, I know it inside out.

[Knight of Cydonia]

q21 - Xtoxm would definitely defend Adams if he knew he were town and Xtoxm is scum: Xtoxm looks good for defending a pro-town player from a mislynch that way, and makes life a little easier for himself later in the game.
Scum defending town is a pretty common play to ingratiate oneself with the town.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Like you said, it's WIFOM. What isn't WIFOM is the poorly constructed cases Xtoxm has put forward, and his suspicions of literally everyone except Mr. Adams, AFAIR.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Watch the next post for a comparison of Xtoxm-scum in Fantasy/Sci-Fi Mafia, and his playstyle in this game so far!

Vote Count as of post 275
(4)Xtoxm: Y.C, Zazier, Knight of Cydonia, Farkshinsoup
(3)ZazieR: Xtoxm, bionicchop2, q21
(1)Mr_Adams: TheSweatpantsNinja,
(1)TheSweatpantsNinja: chazworthington
(1)Riceballtail: Mr_Adams
Not Voting: Riceballtail, X

7 votes to lynch.

[Knight of Cydonia]

NK immume vig?

Sounds like an SK to me.

This was Day 2, against me - his Godfather. Go figure.

Xtoxm - reading xtoxm is the equivalant to reading nothing. He hasn't posted any supicion. He says there is nothing to talk about when there has been many a conversation going on. I rank him as #1 scummy out of everyone.

That's not true. I find this analysis of me quite crap.

OMGUS minus the vote.

Xtoxm - third place in my suspect list right now, V/LA at the moment but hasn't done anything to convince me of him being town.

Isn't it that you need convincing of someone being scum rather convincing of them being town?

A poor attempt at a loaded question, and again, attacking someone who thinks he's scum. More OMGUS withuot the vote.

Xtoxm: his playstyle is generally a bit lurkish, so I'd dismiss that as a scumtell, and otherwise, he's answered questions and posed questions D1, though considerably less so D2. I'm Middle of the Road, maybe slightly scum.

Think this is a better summary of me.

Still think Korts is looking good (Pretty sure I mentioned it earlier).

Believe Gorrad atm. Generally unecessary early claims are town, I think.

These three sentences are typical of Xtoxm's buddying style - something which is popping up in this game as well.

DEB - You voted voted me over not enough conent, but looking at your isolation, I can't see anything directed at me...Did you want something?

Minimising cases, something he's tried to do to my case by effectively ignoring it, apart from OMGUSing me.

In regards to Xtoxm's lurking: In every game I've played with him, and there has been like 4, he has lurked in ALL of them. So to me, the guy is just a lurker, he has fun playing mafia when there is nothing else, but there is other shit so he neglects it and lurks in most his games.

I should vote you on the basis of Lynch all Liars...

More OMGUS...

im witholding a judgement on him until his return to defend himself.

What is it I am expected to defend myself against?

More minimising cases...

This was originally 3 posts, consolidated by the mod of the game into one big one.
What it illustrates, IMHO, is that Xtoxm's playstyle as scum in that game was remarkably similar to his play-style so far here - wide-ranging, OMGUS-based accusations, while his vote remains fixed on the person he percieves to be the most hopeful wagon around, and he defends a seemingly lost cause - at this point in the game, he was buddying fuzzylightning, a pro-town vig who was looking likely to be the lynch before Xtoxm popped his head up - see the correlation. He is also minimising or effectively ignoring accusations against him, whilst buddying anyone he can to save himself.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Lover's Multiball was a much different game - Nightless, lovers, with scum and werewolves. Therefore I don't consider that part of meta, because of the difference in the way that game was played. Also, you replaced into that game at a point where we had discovered the Timestamp tell in Lover Daytalks, and so it's a very different situation. But way to ignore the rest, Xtoxm.

[Knight of Cydonia]

This game is slowing down far too quickly. Everyone post your top suspects, why, and a vote would be nice. Not a lynch, necessarily, but I'd like to see Xtoxm gone today.

[Knight of Cydonia]

If you read up to his lynch in Fantasy Sci-Fi, he did exactly the same there, although not the extreme of self-voting.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Let's face it, a vanilla townie claim, we have no way of proving. Either we hammer the player who's been the most scummy today (Xtoxm), or someone brings together a decent case against another suspect - and frankly, D1, the only other people I'm wondering about are Zazier and Mr Adams, who has dropped off the map almost completely since getting the votes off him.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I'm going to be V/LA to the point of near absent (I might be able to post once) until the 2nd. Would prefer to stay in, but understand if you want to replace.

[Knight of Cydonia]

X - I highly doubt we have a Jester, as fark says, it would just be terrible in a non-Open. I fully endorse a hammer whilst I'm gone.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Have I been replaced? If you haven't found one, mod, I'm back.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Xtoxm - so your first threesome of suspects was me, YC, and RBT.
You then immediately discounted RBT with no reason other than "he looks okay, lol".
Why did you pick me over YC, and why did you instantly then widen your list of people you would want scanned, and include yourself in it?
I think you're just doing this in order to try and appear town now that you have 3 claimed cops available to manipulate - making plans like this seems to often be a scum tactic in games I've played. Offering to be scanned (by placing yourself in your -scan these- bracket), attempting to steer the cops investigations... I don't like it, I think it's scum trying to push the cops (if all of them are real) away from investigating you.

unvote; Vote xtoxm

[Knight of Cydonia]

*facepalm* TSN, even. Okay, but the question still stands in some form - why did you instantly discount RBT? It's Day 1, you can't honestly say you can completely discount someone, can you? Because that seems to be what you're doing.
Also - "scum spewing BS" - that's some prime BS yourself. A one sentence justification of your vote, with nothing behind it? Your entire campaign is OMGUS against the meta and case I've brought against you, and you're following your scum meta even more thoroughly now, OMGUSing me because I'm pursuing your lynch.

[Knight of Cydonia]

G-Force, why am I top of your list except for Adams? In fact, can you give any reasoning behind that list order there?

[Knight of Cydonia]

EBWOP - also, why are you reluctant to lynch TSN because of absence? If you had any conviction in the lynch, you'd vote regardless of whether TSN was here or not. Say you want to give him/his replacement a chance just seems like you're trying to appear town, rather than actually acting as town would, and you've put weight behind what, from a read of the first few pages, must look like a fairly safe wagon.

[Knight of Cydonia]

G-Force, it seems like you're using anything against me - the above post reads like whether Adams flips scum or town, if he is lynched, you'll still use it against me.
And as for my being 'lynch-happy', what on earth are you talking about? We almost certainly have 2 or more scum, so it's not impossible that Adams and Xtoxm are scum.
Add to that I have a town meta of being quite gung-ho and going all-out once I think I've found scum.

[Knight of Cydonia]

No cop should ever allow themselves to be steered by the town in the thread - because the scum will inevitably try and steer their scans.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Because he came under the most suspicion yesterday?
Not hugely surprised about Mr. Adams - as soon as Xtoxm came on scene and started chainsawing for him, I got worried.

Vote: Xtoxm

for scumminess, blatant OMGUSing anyone who put together a half-decent case against him, and for buddying onto Mr. Adams to try and make himself look good.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I find your OMGUS and random, wildd accusations amusing.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Coupled with Xtoxm's scummy behaviour, I'm willing to take a chance on that.

Vote Count as of post 575

(4)Xtoxm: Knight of Cydonia, Zazier, icemanE, Farkshinsoup
(1)Knight of Cydonia: Xtoxm,

Not Voting: chazworthington, Xtoxm, G-Force, bionicchop2, Riceballtail, X

6 votes to lynch.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Xtoxm was scummy Day 1, he's being scummy *AND* anti-town now, and we have two cop results of guilty on him. I'm happy to lynch a scummy player to confirm cop sanities - that way we kill two birds with one stone: a scummy player, and the questions surrounding our cops.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Better to rule out a few possibilities, rather than stumble in the dark for even longer regarding cop results, X. And you can't argue that Xtoxm isn't teh scummiest, and therefore most deserving of a lynch, player. Especially given his attempt to buddy onto Mr. Adams and his chainsaw defence of him yesterday.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I can't believe people are actually arguing AGAINST lynching an incredibly scummy player, who has now resorted to lurking and refusing to speak, AND has two cop results of guilty against him.
I'd be voting him regardless of those cop results, his "meh" attitude and deliberate silence are doing nothing to help us, and he was incredibly scummy in the way he tried to buddy Mr. Adams yesterday.
At worst, the town loses a scummy player who was misdirecting us massively, and we learn more about our cops. At best, and I think most likely, we lynch scum.
A vote for Xtoxm is a vote for win. Remember that. Now do it. 2 more votes.
BE A HERO!

[Knight of Cydonia]

I'm not saying "lynch Xtoxm because of cop results". I'm saying, lynch Xtoxm because of scumminess, and along teh way, we should narrow down our (claimed) cop's sanities.

[Knight of Cydonia]

My reasons for voting ARE solid. Iceman's may not be, but mine are.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Putting asided cop claims entirely, Xtoxm is still the scummiest player around. Lynch him for refusal to post, scummy D1 buddying and admitting he deliberately changed his play after I bought his scum-meta up.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Xtoxm, if you're not going to play, you should ask to be replaced.

Mod: seeing as Xtoxm has clearly stated he has no intention of playing the game, can he be replaced, please?

[Knight of Cydonia]

...More Xtoxm votes needed, I think.

[Knight of Cydonia]

RBT - you're accusing me of pushing a wagon too hard, on someone I've suspected since D1, and accusing me indirectly of pushing the Xtoxm lynch through as a cop sanity test, when I've actually said repeatedly I want to lynch him because of his scumminess.

[Knight of Cydonia]

FoS: anyone who is claiming, or claims in the future, that the Xtoxm lynch is being presented as "just to confirm cop sanities".

[Knight of Cydonia]

Everyone else, I wasn't talking to you, please don't feel the need to respond.

Many thanks.

Get bent. This is Mafia, I'll talk about what the hell I like.

Loving the not-so-subtle buddying up to Bio, by the way. "For you"? Seriously? Sheesh.

[Knight of Cydonia]

...Seriously?

[Knight of Cydonia]

And you haven't done anything else all game, RBT. Let us know when you feel like participating properly.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Why? Because he's kept out of your way?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Care to put anything behind the name?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Completely ignoring the sanities, let's look at the fact Xtoxm chainsawed massively for Adams D1, implying that he knew Adams was town and wanted to have an "i told you so" card; the fact he has admitted that he is checking on his meta, after I posted a meta case highlighting the similarities between his play as scum in another Mini and in this one; and the way he utterly clammed up when two guilties were claimed on him, and only returned to some kind of defence when RBT and bionic managed to get people to look away from Xtoxm's general scumminess, and instead focus people on cop sanities.
I will say it again for those who need it drilled in a little harder - I AM NOT VOTING XTOXM BECAUSE OF THE COP RESULTS. I AM VOTING HIM BECAUSE HE IS SCUMMY. Finding out a little - but not a huge amount, admittedly - about our cop sanities would be a byproduct of the lynch, certainly - but it would be part of the end, not the means or reason.

[Knight of Cydonia]

As long as it ends with an Xtoxm lynch and a good idea of his scumbuddy/ies, Fine.

[Knight of Cydonia]

3-3 in the voting, wth... how long to go now?

[Knight of Cydonia]

Yes. We really need a mass-prod, mod.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Assuming Zazier's vote remains where it is when the replacement arrives, we're at L-2 on Xtoxm. I'd like to hear a claim at L-1 from him, but do we want to wait until Zaz gets replaced, or put him to L-1 now for the claim, and wait until Zaz's replacement arrives and has a chance to address any queries before hammering?

[Knight of Cydonia]

I was

hoping

he would forget and change his claim to a power role - Lynch All Liars, etc. But thanks for balls-ing that one up, Fark.

[Knight of Cydonia]

This

is

Xtoxm. Anything is possible.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Are you going to say why, or not?

[Knight of Cydonia]

I think he's saying that it's okay for me to be going so psychco on Xtoxm, because frankly, that's what I do. You, it just doesn't fit meta. Which, to be fair, is kind of true.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I fail to see where Zaz is confirmed scum. But feel free to enlighten me.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Xtoxm - if you're town, consider yourself joining K7 and MafiaSSK on my "lynch D1 to avoid all this crap" list. I mean, god-damn, boy, what have you been doing? Not just this game, but every game I've played with you in...

[Knight of Cydonia]

Difference being, I don't OMGUS and bull-crap my way to a lynch in every single game, regardless of alignment.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Erm, RBT - he supposedly got a guilty on Xtoxm (an innocent). This would imply that he is insane, and therefore an innocent on you means you're actually scum.
Assuming we want to believe afatchic, which I'm not entirely sure I do want to, given the nature of his posts since coming in.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Vote-count speculation is at best a distraction from genuine scumtells, and at worst a deliberate mis-tell used by scum.

Mod - see sig, would like to remain in game if possible

[Knight of Cydonia]

Back, and reading, jetlagged to high hell, expect post soon. Considering an RBT hammer, but I'm worried about our "insane" cop/s.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Okay, my thoughts on recent developments:
1) Ever since afatchic came in, iceman talked a lot about that "4 cop game" on epicmafia with him - it felt like a dual breadcrumb up to that fourth cop claim, and the only players who know to breadcrumb together are scum, surely?

2) RBT has been at the back of my mind, niggling away for a while, but only recently has his scumminess burst forth, as he repeatedly OMGUSed fat and ice. I would be willing to consider an RBT/Ice/fat scumgroup, certainly, as it seems the most obvious grouping right now - RBT is caught, and may well be trying to distance while his buddies take plaudits and get a chance to really push a mislynch and get to lylo and win. I did something similar in an offsite game of Vampire (scum can either kill or 1-shot recruit), where I claimed cop, gave away both scum-buddies, then recruited the revealed Doc and went on to win by giving mislynches and claiming to have been made insane. Give the town 1 buddy, and it's easy enough to go on - especially with our current sanity question.

3) the jump to pick out "GG scum" and "supposed to be innocent" as a Godfather claim seems odd to me. It just as easily could be a VT congratulating scum on a more than likely win, and is therefore a null-tell. Even ignoring this, RBT is still scummiest, but the way afatchic made that massive jump makes me think "distancing". Fark did it as well, and this worries me, but it's minor compared to fat, ice and predominantly RBT.

So, basically, I'm thinking RBT/ice/fat for scum, and I'm willing to hammer RBT. May I, or are there any questions?

[Knight of Cydonia]

So, basically, I'm thinking RBT/ice/fat for scum, and I'm willing to hammer RBT. May I, or are there any questions?

This will be blatantly obvious tomorrow morning that its not the case when either me or Ice show up dead. It seems to be the case that there is no doc since the obvious save both nights died, so claiming to be saved would be a terrible scum move. so i think by claiming cop here is very risky to do, and should be obvious it didn't happen tomorrow.

What exactly are you talking about when you said my big jump on RBT?

Your big jump was assuming that RBT saying "GG scum" and "I was supposed to be innocent" instantly means that he's Godfather. It felt like you knew he wasn't lynched yet, and you wanted to use this supposed GF claim to push the real hammer.

[Knight of Cydonia]

You would know.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Well, any belief I had in the miller claim is pretty much evaporated, and iceman's cop claim now really worries me, since only an idiot wouldn't check someone who (misguidedly) didn't hammer RBT because he had a bit of doubt there.
So, those would be my top two suspects - X and iceman, because I don't trust either of their claims.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Because X's hammer took so long, and it just felt like "we're only losing one scum, and I might as well just to look good for hammering scum". Plus, frankly, he's been niggling away in my mind all game, and I've never particularly believed that there is a Miller in this game.

[Knight of Cydonia]

No, I expected to be copped last night, to be honest.
I can't help but wonder why Ice would do it - I suppose the argument is "it confirms a townie", but all that really does is let the scum kill them as you confirm them.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I have no opposition to a massclaim, and I think it should be popcorned.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I said I had no opposition to it. I'm not actively saying "let's do it", but I'm not going to refuse to if the rest of the town wants to.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Is it just me, or has this game turned into "Who Can Post the Most Meaningless Data", with a bonus round of "Why, Regardless of Anything Else, This Means KOC=Scum".
These walls of text aren't just annoying, they're scummy, because the essential intent is to hope people get bored, flick to the last paragraph, and see "KoC is scum", then go with it.
Oh, and I like how my absence for the end of D3 suddenly becomes a scum tell because I wasn't around to hammer RBT.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Am I at L-1? Hm.
Well, I'm a god's honest VT, so, with the inevitability of Obama's assassination, where's the hammer...