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Not really, seems like it's just his gimmick. Meow.
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Would you say you have a strong personality?In post 74, Elsa Jay wrote:Normally strong personalities bust heads first instead and lead to the players taking sides. Generally though it's not 100 percent best for just getting lurkers because even now you listed 4 people and in a 13p game there's 3 scum. So a town lurker already.
But yeah it's still my main plan for now to try and find scum among the low posters first. Or at least force activity. But if you see one of the middle posters not doing anything let me know too.
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Alex/Elsa can be T/T but something about the exchange between felt really off.In post 147, Crescent wrote:So to analyze more: Alex's vote on Elsa feels awkward but doesn't particularly come off as scummy. Seems like a "put up or shut up" kind of vote when scum in that situation could've made a much easier vote and gone a lot more under the radar. Unless that's Alex's game it seems like something that just pulls attention.-
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I wasn't sure if the tone shift and Alex vote were organic or manufactured hostility. Her response satisfied me for now that it was probably the former. I still don't like that exchange at all, but I'm a little more town!Elsa than I was at 87In post 162, UNOwen wrote:
What did you get from Elsa's answer?In post 150, Corwinoid wrote:@Eiralox if you thought it was a going nowhere question maybe you should pay attention more.-
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I think part of it is the pronoun "her" in 79 threw me for a bit because I dropped the context for it, so I thought you were referring to Elsa. George was right that your vote seems oddly placed there. And then she signs off with the OMGUS/"Riddle that vote" post, which goes from 74 that seemed like a mellow promoting activity and avoiding division to 87 a couple of hours later where she's looking for a fight.In post 186, Alexcellent wrote:
Can you specify a bit more about what felt off?In post 153, Corwinoid wrote:
Alex/Elsa can be T/T but something about the exchange between felt really off.In post 147, Crescent wrote:So to analyze more: Alex's vote on Elsa feels awkward but doesn't particularly come off as scummy. Seems like a "put up or shut up" kind of vote when scum in that situation could've made a much easier vote and gone a lot more under the radar. Unless that's Alex's game it seems like something that just pulls attention.
I think it's making a mountain out of a mole hill though, I think her progression is more organic than I thought, and I think I misread or was confused by your posts starting the exchange because of the context change.
Tell me more about clidd, I'm not seeing it. ELI5.In post 187, Alexcellent wrote:Think Elsa/Clidd is where I'd prefer to lynch but starting to doubt my Elsa read, idk. Feeling a bit less okay about Crescent. I'll post more tomorrow.-
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"No." See 194.In post 193, UNOwen wrote:
I'm not following how strong personality relates to the Alex vote. What would an inorganic answer look like?In post 164, Corwinoid wrote: I wasn't sure if the tone shift and Alex vote were organic or manufactured hostility. Her response satisfied me for now that it was probably the former. I still don't like that exchange at all, but I'm a little more town!Elsa than I was at 87-
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And if you want more context for why I want to "read more, drive less" and the confrontation is off-putting to me, see Newbie Game 1776, and the way RC/Drixx/Penguin/me played D1. Shit left a bad taste in my mouth and made me leave the game when I thought I was just starting to grasp what was going on.-
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Just wait, it gets worse.In post 272, Crescent wrote:He seriously just put names in random order on a rainbow font while of course putting himself at the bottom.
Why do you people even let this guy sign up for games? How do you read such nonsense
No really, I checked, it does. But apparently he gets a lot of kudos after games, so, Not_Bad_at_Mafia?-
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I'm not sure where you're going with this. I haven't read Crescent either way, do you want to push something or bicker about fluff until something breaks?In post 289, Eiralox wrote:you can argue that your summation made it easier for town, as i argue of mine... so your meta regarding that interaction still reads scummy to me.-
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I really want to know what your fascination with me is. Since your RVS vote you haven't even looked anywhere else or engaged meaningfully with any other slot in the game. Seriously, what's going on here?In post 307, UNOwen wrote:
Where is Corwin on your list and why?In post 305, Elsa Jay wrote: Won't say who yet but reading the last four pages made 2 people move up in my town list and 1 down. I'm here to interact all day as well.
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Somewhat engaged how? The only people with less posts are gibus, GB and NM (and the mod), and almost half (5/13) of his posts including his RVS are engaging with me exclusively. This looks a lot more like someone trying to hide and shade a slot than any actual engagement.Crescent wrote:It's true he has not named anyone else as scummy, but he's also been somewhat engaged. I'm still null on Unowen though - It's nowhere near as bad as players like George.-
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471 This is such an incredibly bad look I can't believe you're even serious. I have 3 finished games, the last was 6 years ago, and I'm open they were my only ones and I bailed because the IC/SEs in my last game decided to metafuck each other instead of playing their game and you're like "I dunno if Corwin is high tier."
Dumb ass play because you've been on my ass for nothing almost almost as bad as UNOwen is, and now it's seriously starting to look like team play.-
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I meant 470, and the rest @ Vivax, sorry.In post 479, Eiralox wrote:
ok but with above explanation and in context of my interactions with Crescent, how do you read this? And why not mention Vivax here, who's been way more on your ass than me(even voting for u lol). Strange not to mention them.In post 477, Corwinoid wrote:471 This is such an incredibly bad look I can't believe you're even serious. I have 3 finished games, the last was 6 years ago, and I'm open they were my only ones and I bailed because the IC/SEs in my last game decided to metafuck each other instead of playing their game and you're like "I dunno if Corwin is high tier."
Dumb ass play because you've been on my ass for nothing almost almost as bad as UNOwen is, and now it's seriously starting to look like team play.-
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Nah, I woke up like 15 minutes ago so the mistake was mine.Eiralox wrote:In post 479, Eiralox wrote:
ok but with above explanation and in context of my interactions with Crescent, how do you read this? And why not mention Vivax here, who's been way more on your ass than me(even voting for u lol). Strange not to mention them.In post 477, Corwinoid wrote:471 This is such an incredibly bad look I can't believe you're even serious. I have 3 finished games, the last was 6 years ago, and I'm open they were my only ones and I bailed because the IC/SEs in my last game decided to metafuck each other instead of playing their game and you're like "I dunno if Corwin is high tier."
Dumb ass play because you've been on my ass for nothing almost almost as bad as UNOwen is, and now it's seriously starting to look like team play.
Ok u meant to quote #470........ eh fuck it i'm brainded.
Post I meant to link above, which should have been obvious since I was replying directly to the "higher end" thing. This is dumb, and if the two players who have their noses up my ass this entire game are even remotely town they need to start sniffing somewhere else.In post 470, Vivax wrote: I don't know if Corwin is higher end. Most high tier scum players I have experienced are able to cover up their mistakes just by being spammy as f*ck and having an imposant personality, so they end up convincing others that whatever their mistake was wasn't a big deal, plus they control part of the thread narrative through their presence. Takes lots of motivation though, so often you spot such a personality being mafia because you fish out a weaker teammate (so the stronger player loses motivation).
Could Elsa be the stronger player and one or two teammates under pressure so she fell off? Might take a few cycles to find that out.-
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Just lay it out, is withholding your reads at this point really helping town?In post 485, Crescent wrote:There are currently two players that, if they are scum, I believe scum already has this game won.-
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I have not, and I did not this game. Three games would be pretty easy to check if you wanted.In post 491, Vivax wrote:
He says right there he has 3 finished games.In post 490, Crescent wrote:
Didn't he say he isn't specifically new though, just that he hasn't played in a while?In post 488, Vivax wrote:
Being mafia is hard, you have to learn the pitfalls first. And there's no magic trick to the game, it's just practice. I comparatively am (a lot more) bad at being mafia for example.In post 477, Corwinoid wrote:471 This is such an incredibly bad look I can't believe you're even serious. I have 3 finished games, the last was 6 years ago, and I'm open they were my only ones and I bailed because the IC/SEs in my last game decided to metafuck each other instead of playing their game and you're like "I dunno if Corwin is high tier."
Dumb ass play because you've been on my ass for nothing almost almost as bad as UNOwen is, and now it's seriously starting to look like team play.
We used to have newbie games with coaching on my old site, a newcomer will often feel overwhelmed by more experienced players, regardless of whether their read is right.
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The only two people suspicious of anything are you and the guy who's been up my ass since RVS. Since GB didn't vote Owen I don't think anything about it and I think hypotheticals like this are worse than useless. Asking Crescent to lay those particular cards out isn't asking for TMI--I also think his conclusion is wrong.In post 500, Vivax wrote:@ Corwin
Considering that you are not exactly below suspicion at the moment, what do you think about GeorgeBayley voting Owen for voting you, but having you at null?
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Don't paint people in a different community with the brush of another one.In post 534, Crescent wrote:One thing Eira: I come from a place where quite literally half the playerbase is a bunch of elitist, sexist guys, who do shit like this with every woman who ever plays there. I deal with players like you trying to make me quit every single game I play there.
It's the mass of people not trying at all who will always piss me off the most. People like NM are an abomination to the game that shouldn't be allowed to sign up.
NM's low content D1 isn't helpful, yes, but I happen to find his particular brand of shit posting amusing, but barely, so right now he's getting a pass.-
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I have read this half a dozen times now while re-reading and updating notes... and every time it just sticks out like a fucking sore thumb. Why in the world would you think/suggest this?In post 299, Vivax wrote:Is there really a chance he's jester?-
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In post 574, Vivax wrote:
It's the first thing he posted.In post 542, Corwinoid wrote:
I have read this half a dozen times now while re-reading and updating notes... and every time it just sticks out like a fucking sore thumb. Why in the world would you think/suggest this?In post 299, Vivax wrote:Is there really a chance he's jester?
If he's as good at telling the truth as he is at voting mafia, I should be worried.
No. I knew the game was Normal, and what invalid roles there are.In post 578, Vivax wrote:And Corwin knew that?
Did Corwin play with not_mafia claiming jester in one of his three games 6? yearso ago?
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The point is that Mafia wouldn't care which roles they're hunting because they're informed. Not knowing Jester isn't a prohibited role in Normal games from an experienced player comes off as very much not caring about needing to solve.In post 586, Crescent wrote:How would mafia know whether or not a Jester exists?
How would they even know a third party exists, barring simply having too few numbers for the game?
Like, my last scumgame we we 3/14. We knew for dead certain there was a third party because 4 in 14 is standard where I come from.-
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In post 598, Crescent wrote:In post 595, Corwinoid wrote:VOTE: Vivax
I hate being confident on D1, but I'm very feeling Vivax/UNOwen/?? as a team right now.
The problem is his argument is shown to be completely void as your Jester comment was null.In post 593, Vivax wrote:I think Corwinoid just unintentionally built a case for me being town.
He said I would care enough to want to know if there's a jester so I asked if there's a jester, ergo I cared enough.
Or maybe I'm mafia because I asked instead of looking it up on the wiki.
Is Corwinoid really so hard to spot as mafia? :d
And NOW he votes you?
His jester comment is only null if you buy his argument that he didn't care about reading slots enough to know what roles are even allowedandyou read that as a town action.
Corwin I'm struggling to find the procession here. How did this turn into you being so confident on Vivax?-
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Formatting on that fucked up, should have just quoted 598 and replied with
I'll be away for a few hours for RL stuff.His jester comment is only null if you buy his argument that he didn't care about reading slots enough to know what roles are even allowed and you read that as a town action.-
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Because I don't understand what you and Eira were playing at earlier. I'll go for either one if you want to make a case for which one you think is better for me when I get back.In post 604, Elsa Jay wrote:
And you choose the one without a wagon and not targeting you all game? Why get off of Owen?In post 595, Corwinoid wrote:VOTE: Vivax
I hate being confident on D1, but I'm very feeling Vivax/UNOwen/?? as a team right now.-
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That IIoA crap argument makes you lock for the third slot when I flip town. Go for it.In post 648, Crescent wrote:Oh and Vivax is a virtual lock for town once Corwin flips scum, if that wasn't obvious enough.-
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Alex, on my end the entire attack from Vivax and Owen felt incredibly transparent and I had him absolutely hard scum locked before the end of the day. Read the three of of us in iso from a town!me perspective. The only reason I'm just slightly less gung ho on Vivax today is the possible false associative of Owen just shadowing them.-
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With a traitor is it 3+1 or 2+1? I have Vivax, I'm not sure who the third is.In post 965, Elsa Jay wrote:I mean, considering you lived specifically because we jumped onto George for reasons I still don't get, I thought you would rethink your list. Then again since Owen flipped evil (despite being a traitor who main scum wouldn't know he is it) I guess you'll stick to your guns.
Who would be the remaining 2 scum to you?
Gera, Alex, Eira are town, I think NM is town right now. I would have stuck on Owen but you and Eira scared me off, I said that yesterday too. I'm null or very slightly leaned on everyone else right now.-
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Because there's a 75% chance he's not scum. None of his activity has moved that.In post 967, Alexcellent wrote:What makes you think NM is town?-
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I'mIn post 969, Alexcellent wrote:
Actually this is a question I've been wondering. I would assume 3 scum still but probs with powers to counterbalance the traitor. That or maybe town has some weak powers, idk.In post 966, Corwinoid wrote:
With a traitor is it 3+1 or 2+1? I have Vivax, I'm not sure who the third is.In post 965, Elsa Jay wrote:I mean, considering you lived specifically because we jumped onto George for reasons I still don't get, I thought you would rethink your list. Then again since Owen flipped evil (despite being a traitor who main scum wouldn't know he is it) I guess you'll stick to your guns.
Who would be the remaining 2 scum to you?assuming2+1, because 9 v 4 with a vig, even a one shot, is mind blowingly scum-sided. Detective seems powerful, but not that powerful.-
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No. It came from the play after that. Being on the receiving end of the Vivax/Owen counterplay felt a lot like... mean girls... where I was getting bullied and nobody else was seeing it. It felt super obvious on this end. I had a lot of things going on during day 1 and couldn't get the posting time in in the last 36-48 hours at all... I was seriously just not able to put in the effort for how fast the day started rolling on me, I wasn't expecting 35 pages out of day one; lesson learned.In post 972, Alexcellent wrote:@Corwin, does your scum read on Vivax stem mainly from his questioning if there's a Jester in the game yesterday? Your read seems super strong and unmoving, I'm just not quite so sold as hard on Vivax as scum.
Yes.If this team were correct, do you have any ideas who scumlord number 3 may be?-
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It's not allowed here either.In post 1021, geraintm wrote:
Isn't vig theory currently that they're negative utility, increasingly so with multiple shots?In post 1018, Vivax wrote:Wanting to lynch Corwin yesterday but being widely townread, then having to compromise on George only to find that today we've somehow regressed to discussing me is mildly disappointing.
A reason for someone to be mafia shouldn't become better just because you add more content.
i was sorta assuming it was going to be a one shot slot, is it common for Vigilantes to have multiple shots? seems overpowered if so??
In post 1027, Vivax wrote:How do you edit your posts? It's not allowed on my home community but maybe here you can look at the edit history.-
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I'd rather not.In post 1038, Crescent wrote:Also. Can we just.. Replace NM out, too?-
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Tomorrow, maybe. I think you're early by at least a day.In post 1051, Vivax wrote:I'd say that since I'm supposed to do a lot of legwork and I'm reluctant to do that with NM playing the way he does, this should probably be the day we policy-launch him.
If you disagree, feel free to do what you want. But then I'll do what I want too, which is nothing while I have an unreadable slot.
Also, since it might not be clear from the last few posts,thisis not a shit post. (Neither was finding NM useful).-
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The appropriate treatment of NM doesn't change if you're town or mafia, I think. I'm kind of hand-waving the stats right now, so I'm open to a serious counter-argument if someone wants to make one. Basically though, you have better information about his slot by having no information than you do if he were actively deceiving or accidentally misleading reads. At some point he needs to get hard filtered by both sides, yes, but who spends a kill on it and when?In post 1055, Crescent wrote:
This feels like a really weird comment towards Vivax given he's currently voting Vivax..In post 1054, Corwinoid wrote:
Tomorrow, maybe. I think you're early by at least a day.In post 1051, Vivax wrote:I'd say that since I'm supposed to do a lot of legwork and I'm reluctant to do that with NM playing the way he does, this should probably be the day we policy-launch him.
If you disagree, feel free to do what you want. But then I'll do what I want too, which is nothing while I have an unreadable slot.
Also, since it might not be clear from the last few posts,thisis not a shit post. (Neither was finding NM useful).-
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Besides affirming the disjunct there, if he's town eliminating him is explicitly anti-town. Like, there is no world in which you should actively want to launch a town player as a pro-town move. Beyond that, the disjunct is false because they don't know if he's accumulating reads at some point any more than we do, and in a closed setup it has to be entertained he has a hidden solve he can dump at a future point -- this is not that future point.-
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