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oh you found it didn't see it linked at end game, my bad

Look at the structure of the message that is sent in the Role PMs that are spoilered. You will notice that it is clearly missing any indication that the content of the message comes from another player. That’s the fundamental distinction.

[Andresvmb]

For reasons I don’t intend to discuss, I believe Scorpious is a bad execution today. Let’s please move on to a different player.

[Andresvmb]

For reasons I don’t intend to discuss, I believe Scorpious is a bad execution today. Let’s please move on to a different player.

Galron and/or Malcolm

Have you caught up? Do you want to elaborate?

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nah haven't read much. Tweetie was voting Galron. I looked at Galron's ISO. it's bad. it also screams Malcolm is partner. so thus. Galron and malcolm maf

How is Galron’s ISO bad? What pinged you in particular?

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i trust my town group of angela andres scorpius malcolmtucker n galron

What do you make of Andante attacking two of the players in your Town core?

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Yeah Andrew, if you don't want Scorp to hang today then share your... anti-case.

I don’t have an anti-case. I figured mechanically we could pin Scorpious down further since two messages will circulate tonight almost regardless, and I think one is more valuable than the other. That’s all I got.

[Andresvmb]

There has been some exceptional mud stirring overnight.
I am happy with my vote, I see no reason to move it

Do you have any thoughts or feelings on any of that mudslinging and what it means for the game or are you going to continue to avoid actively saying anything that might draw others onto you?

You know what, happy to put my vote here for now.

VOTE: geraintm

We’re not doing this. I’m completely against it. I want to see a resolution for the day that actually leads somewhere. Anyone can easily hide behind geraintm’s execution by arguing that it was another black box. I’m firmly against it.

[Andresvmb]

@angela, I expect firm confirmation from you that what you received as a message was a Mod confirmation that Kitty is Town. Please state it.

[Andresvmb]

why is there so much mod talk.. like seriously.. this is gonna get real annoying real fast, like Andres, THERE'S NO REASON for you to even say "mod confirmation" in that.


if you want the TLDR "reads" I have up through 72 we have

T -> S
Dragons/Nero - Tied
angela
Andres
Scorpious/Galron - Tied

Are you seriously trying to get me to talk more succinctly? I was trying to close the loop on that conversation so that we could move on. There’s no reason for you to complain about my post at all actually.

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@Andante you have Nero Cain and Save The Dragons as your top Town Reads? Can you explain Save The Dragons? We’re disagreeing there so I want to better understand that. There’s more than one person that thinks that STD is Town so I have an open mind about being wrong there. Nero Cain I’m mostly just suspicious for activity - I can’t really question them claiming to be burned out and it’s happened to me too so I’m taking that at face value.

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There’s no reason for you to complain about my post at all actually.

you sure about that? I was trying to just read in real time, but all people have decided to do was just 10 pages about a mailman, then like 10 more about whatever mod related... like, it's getting annoying

Do you understand why that conversation happened?

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Like I’m not going to just blindly accept you expressing annoyance at me when I didn’t trigger that conversation at all (and was also proven correct, mind you).

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Like, here's what I don't get. it's all "andante have you read yet???" then I do start reading, and it's just "OMG YOU'RE CALLING ME SCUM? DIE!!" like excuse me?? I'm trying.. ok, so what I'm wrong on you, look at the other people...

I can relate to this for some reason haha

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VOTE: MalcolmTucker

Let’s try this.

[Andresvmb]

I’m VLA until tomorrow.

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JacksonVirgo good to see you.

Sorry yesterday for busy. Definitely back tonight though. I’m thinking of whether we need to potentially just execute Scorpious so we can move on or not. I’m just not sure.

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VOTE: geraintm

I apologize for trying to shut this down.

I think geraintm’s last set of posts pushing Scorpious seem of Scum that wants the day to end.

@Jackson, let’s do this.

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What? It seems like just backing up my and angela's push. On what planet is jumping onto a wagon on a widely-scumread player considered scummy by itself?

I don’t want to have to say it, but Scorpious’ aggravation is starting to get to me. Unless someone can show that they’re the best actor around, I’m having a hard time seeing some of these posts as coming from Scum.

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And I’m unsure as to how you can even begin to defend geraintm to be honest. I didn’t want them executed because I didn’t think it would help get us any answers. I feel a bit different about it now, particularly after their contributions over the last few pages. Like geraintm seems too convinced Scorpious is Scum.

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I am happy with the logic of scorpious needing to go. I looked earlier in at other suspects before the whole angela/kitty stuff came to light but town can wait on the until tomorrow when we have more info.
I see no reason to look for others to vote off today, when they would best be based on gut whilst as I have said many times, I love the case on scorpious

Like who loves the case on Scorpious? I don’t. I’m still struggling with the mechanical argument (as I’ve pointed out repeatedly), and they’re complaining about stuff I find myself thinking about at times. Like geraintm has actually contributed little content. So Scorpious being upset at them getting pressure and geraintm skating by after some of their contributions feels like Townie frustration. Instead of being frustrated by it, Scum would look to take advantage of that. It’s a different sort of feel to the posts.

[Andresvmb]

That’s my humble opinion.

Anyway, I have an absurdly busy day at work but I will try and contribute some more later and I’ll keep reading. I think I’ve stayed on top of every post but I can’t comment on everything.

@Nero, can you perhaps consider voting geraintm? We’re starting to run out of time a bit.

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so if scorpius was not able to send his message it was cuz there is a town jailkeeper or he is lying

Scum can have a JK too. I’m really unsure as to why this is where you’ve landed.

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I am Vig, i shot KittyTacky because i didn't believe claim.

Are you confirmable going forward?

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(It’s a dreadful shot since it quite obviously overlapped with the Scum, unless someone here is willing to put another Scum player).

[Andresvmb]

^out another*

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I don't know what to make of enchants post at all.

But I have spent the last two days laughing because we somehow caught scorpious who had not lied about their role.
No wonder they were passed

I have been very openly arguing that the claim had to be genuine. I also very much said that it wasn’t alignment indicative.

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I am Vig, i shot KittyTacky because i didn't believe claim.

Are you confirmable going forward?

Now i understand why Mailman claim survived to Day 2.

Uh not what I asked and unclear what you mean.

Vigilante is never Scum. So if you can continue to shoot players, I’ll ignore you for today. That’s my question.

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VOTE: Save The Dragons

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I’m happy with an execution amongst {Save The Dragons, JacksonVirgo} today. I think MalcolmTucker could also be Scum.

I’m never voting geraintm, angela, or Rathe. Nero Cain is probably fine, and I’m not going to push Enchant today either. If I’m wrong, I’ll re-evaluate tomorrow maybe. But I don’t see why we would do anything else quite frankly.

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That’s where I’m at right now.

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My logic was only flawed by a missing action. Or by a town blocking them, which was information I saw was unlikely yet happened. I stand by that my logic was sound irregardless of the fact the lower likely actions had occurred

I’m not even bashing you too hard for that logic. I would say the posts were you were trying to paint your logic as always leading to the inevitable conclusion that Scorpious was Town were bad. But I also criticized one of your predecessors for softly defending Scorpious by bashing the cases, and in retrospect I think that was a legitimate line of inquiry.

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And fair that Enchant was probably kidding. I don’t know why I read that post as serious - I’m not good at reading Enchant’s tone.

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Nah. It's hilarious.

Hey, you never know. I think my bar for bad Town play has been dramatically lowered recently. Nothing surprises me anymore.

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Yeah well I mean I think you can understand why I feel like you should always be flipped this game so not going to argue to much with you. I think my POE is pretty set and I’ll wait for some other contributions.

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^to JacksonVirgo.

[Andresvmb]

My first thought is traitor.

Maybe? But honestly, executing games with Traitors is tough and Town had a Friendly Neighbor so I don’t think the Scum are that weak. Traitor weakens them considerably and I don’t see that being the case.

[Andresvmb]

also kinda think a partial massclaim amongst

jacksonvirgo, malcolmtucker, andresvmb, nero cain and save the dragons

might make sense here

I have you as Town and all that for sure, but for the record, I’m not claiming, and I don’t think I should be in your POE. I’m kind of surprised you actually have me amongst the remaining names to be honest.

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I saw game with two traitors, it was for certain NOT weak.

Traitor is generally 0.5 mafia. It's *usually* added where adding another scum is too strong, yet omitting it is too weak. So I don't think it's "weakening" the mafia by any means if it exists

Didn’t the game with 2 traitors have 4 total Scum? Isn’t that the game that was lost in 3 consecutive mis-executions? That game was also passed as Normal with the higher number of Scum because 2 of them were Traitors, and the Town were informed about the unusual number of Scum. What I argued was that assuming 3 Scum here, since we know the Town had a Friendly Neighbor, and one of the Scum PRs is a mailman only, I would be surprised if there was a Traitor as it probably makes the Scum too weak and the game unbalanced in favor of the Town. And how does it help the Scum to be able to send messages via a mailman to a potential Traitor anyway? Unless the Traitor is also a Mailman? But then why have that mechanic? Outside of maybe making it harder to coordinate during the day, the whole idea for there being a Traitor is that the main Scum don’t know who else is in their Team and they have to be on the lookout. If they can only send messages in one direction, then if they’re wrong, they could out themselves, and if they can communicate with a Traitor who is also a Mailman, then what’s the point? You might as well make them all main Scum and avoid the gimmick.

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also kinda think a partial massclaim amongst

jacksonvirgo, malcolmtucker, andresvmb, nero cain and save the dragons

might make sense here

I have you as Town and all that for sure, but for the record, I’m not claiming, and I don’t think I should be in your POE. I’m kind of surprised you actually have me amongst the remaining names to be honest.

hm, i guess i kinda feel like claim does more potential good towards solidifying poe than it could cause potential harm here

your angle at some points early in day two felt kinda off and potentially partnery to me as i said at the time and then turn towards town reading scorpious and such as day went on

Yeah but then you’re ignoring my D1 completely and that doesn’t make sense to me. I was Scorpious’ main focus, and I was aggressive in my pursuit and landed back there almost towards the end of the day when I was trying to avoid a Not_Mafia execution. If you think them harping about my Town % was staged, you could make that argument, but I certainly am not going to let you just paper over all of that by looking at my D2 only.

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Like if you want to argue against JacksonVirgo by saying that your push against Scorpious was negative EV and you wouldn’t do that as Scum (and I agree), certainly you should apply some of that same logic to me then. Because it’s not like I was defending Scorpious early in the day and I did come out pretty strongly against them even before they returned the favor.

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^in D1.

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Yeah but then you’re ignoring my D1 completely and that doesn’t make sense to me. I was Scorpious’ main focus, and I was aggressive in my pursuit and landed back there almost towards the end of the day when I was trying to avoid a Not_Mafia execution. If you think them harping about my Town % was staged, you could make that argument, but I certainly am not going to let you just paper over all of that by looking at my D2 only.

i am not ignoring it is just that there is heavy weight on the otherside, it's not that i think you are most likely remaining mafia right now or anything, probably 5th or 6th most likely,

and kittytacky also suspected you and am giving weight to their considerations as well

KittyTacky said that JV should be executed if Scorpious flips Scum. That was their main consideration if I’m reading some of the posts at the end of D2 correctly. I also think STD looks quite poor after D1 and how all of that went down (Scorpious being the main focus, and the Scum needing an alternative, momentum was there to execute STD and it didn’t happen, which means that we need to think about that).

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Like if you want to argue against JacksonVirgo by saying that your push against Scorpious was negative EV and you wouldn’t do that as Scum (and I agree), certainly you should apply some of that same logic to me then. Because it’s not like I was defending Scorpious early in the day and I did come out pretty strongly against them even before they returned the favor.

right but then you swerved away from it and also like i said the interactions at beginning of day two felt plus partner to me,

i do definitely need to reread once again and see how i feel, but there have been things i noted regarding your slot

Nah I really shouldn’t be in the POE. I’m not going to insist too hard and it’s up to you but I’m not claiming and I don’t see myself as equivalent to anyone else you included in that group. And I think it’s a bit annoying because I was pushing Scorpious quite strongly D1 and you’re waving it away because I (correctly) argued Mailman was a dumb fake claim but was surprised at the implementation. Had I been around towards the end of D2, I think I would have been swayed by the argument that was put forth that not sending a message then to try and frame you, but keeping the possibility open to send a message later, was actually a reasonable conclusion. I also asked Scorpious to disclose the content of their message and their claim in the message that they hammered as a mistake was used against them. If that had been planned, I wouldn’t have them highlighted that piece as something suspicious - I would have built up the contents of the message. But whatever you do you.

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Like the JV hammer (after defending there like they did) and the position of STD’s vote for geraintm are quite revealing. I would eliminate both slots here and then really start thinking through what’s going on if we’re going astray. I don’t think I need to really consider geraintm as Scum here in the vast majority of circumstances, Enchant a few solid posts at the end of D2 that didn’t need to happen unless there really was some insistence to bus Scorpious (and why? Their AtE was succeeding in instilling doubt in my mind for example), and Nero Cain had a vote in there D1 which highlighted how Scorpious wasn’t reading that I’m not sure they make as a Partner.

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^Enchant had a few*

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Well I’m not claiming haha I don’t agree that we need to claim at this point and I think it’s somewhat disappointing that you think I should be in the POE but like I said I’m not SR’ing you. I just think it would make the game a bit easier if you can land on me Town.

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I’m not going to start quoting off of my own ISO but I do think you need to look at my earlier posts because I think it’s nonsense that I would be grouped with like JV or STD. Why am I shutting off geraintm at one point then instead of cheering that on the whole time as an alternative D2, before I ended up screwing up and going back on that? Like I can make mistakes and I have, but me going back on executing Scorpious D2 isn’t like worse than you blocking that execution D1, but you want JV to give you the full benefit of the doubt on that because you were possibly framed, but then don’t want to extend that to me when I very clearly was being pushed by Scorpious D1 in bad faith. So yeah I don’t get.

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Yeah but then you’re ignoring my D1 completely and that doesn’t make sense to me. I was Scorpious’ main focus, and I was aggressive in my pursuit and landed back there almost towards the end of the day when I was trying to avoid a Not_Mafia execution. If you think them harping about my Town % was staged, you could make that argument, but I certainly am not going to let you just paper over all of that by looking at my D2 only.

i am not ignoring it is just that there is heavy weight on the otherside, it's not that i think you are most likely remaining mafia right now or anything, probably 5th or 6th most likely,

and kittytacky also suspected you and am giving weight to their considerations as well

KittyTacky said that JV should be executed if Scorpious flips Scum. That was their main consideration if I’m reading some of the posts at the end of D2 correctly. I also think STD looks quite poor after D1 and how all of that went down (Scorpious being the main focus, and the Scum needing an alternative, momentum was there to execute STD and it didn’t happen, which means that we need to think about that).

If ur saying their death has anything to do with what's happened regarding scorp, you are ignoring the fact that they were confirmed town.

Uhm, are you reading what I was responding to? angela said Kitty had doubts about my slot. I simply said that as a priority, Kitty was clearly more focused on you. I’m not even getting into the argument about why they were executed (yes, surely them being Confirmed has a lot more to do with it than their perspective or reads), but if you’re going to be arguing that a Confirmed Town voice should be listened to, the immediate argument is then okay, then JV has to go. I’m not getting into an argument about Kitty’s accuracy or any of that, but I will agree that Confirmed Town voices are valuable and they shouldn’t be discarded. I just think in this game, I’ve done enough to be considered possibly a deep wolf option if you want to put your tin foil hat on and argue marginal cases, but not a main POE, and certainly not a partial mass claim.

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Like the JV hammer (after defending there like they did) and the position of STD’s vote for geraintm are quite revealing. I would eliminate both slots here and then really start thinking through what’s going on if we’re going astray. I don’t think I need to really consider geraintm as Scum here in the vast majority of circumstances, Enchant a few solid posts at the end of D2 that didn’t need to happen unless there really was some insistence to bus Scorpious (and why? Their AtE was succeeding in instilling doubt in my mind for example), and Nero Cain had a vote in there D1 which highlighted how Scorpious wasn’t reading that I’m not sure they make as a Partner.

like i currently think all of jacksonvirgo and save the dragons and malcolmtucker are more likely than you, but suggesting only those three claim seems not as beneficial to me but maybe that doesn't make sense

and jacksonvirgo is also refusing to claim anyway, so

Well, we can just rally votes and force a claim no? Like I think there’s some sense in that strategy. Openly asking for multiple players that potentially maybe are Scum in marginal situations isn’t helping the Town - it just gives the Scum some targets and more information they can use to fake claim this early. We shouldn’t give them that.

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Uhm, are you reading what I was responding to? angela said Kitty had doubts about my slot. I simply said that as a priority, Kitty was clearly more focused on you. I’m not even getting into the argument about why they were executed (yes, surely them being Confirmed has a lot more to do with it than their perspective or reads), but if you’re going to be arguing that a Confirmed Town voice should be listened to, the immediate argument is then okay, then JV has to go. I’m not getting into an argument about Kitty’s accuracy or any of that, but I will agree that Confirmed Town voices are valuable and they shouldn’t be discarded. I just think in this game, I’ve done enough to be considered possibly a deep wolf option if you want to put your tin foil hat on and argue marginal cases, but not a main POE, and certainly not a partial mass claim.

right but i wasn't saying that jacksonvirgo shouldn't be eliminated, though i don't think it should be done hastily here, we have time,

but you would be the deep wolf option there, amongst that list, and it is better to work on deep wolf options now rather than later, for pretty apparent reasons, to me at least

like if you'd prefer a full massclaim i am also pretty amenable to that

it just felt like the partial might be better to me,

Okay but I was pushing Scorpious in a position when it was even less beneficial to the Scum than you.

If I want Town cred for bussing Scorpious, I don’t have to go back on that D2, ever. Maybe a bit like how Nero Cain has approached the slot at times. Regardless of what they had argued mechanically, I could have tried arguing against it to keep my distance but not push it too hard and look elsewhere. But look at my posts D1 and early D2. I was trying to get some finality to the whole situation, and I argued D2 that we should then just execute Scorpious (particularly after Kitty claimed) and that I would land there, despite what mechanically I had expected. I felt too much conviction behind geraintm’s posts and I was scared away from voting Scorpious (and they’re spewed Town at this point in my mind), but that was my only hang up. I don’t think I ever tried to build an anti-case, and even after the actual claim D1, I was insistent on it not having an impact on their alignment. I just don’t have to do that.

I’m making these arguments now because I really think we need to rally around a selection and I want more debate around STD, Malcolm and JV. I think that’s vastly more helpful than debating the potential for a mass claim, or whether I should be in the POE.

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I don't think mass claim is the way forward, andni certainly don't think anders needs to.
Wish angela would focus their attention off anders, i have the pair of you 1st and second in my town pile- right now I have save the day at the top of my most suspicious list and i will, when I have time tomorrow, go back and loom at the votes on wagons now we ha e the extra info of scorpious being scum. Bed now though

my attention not solely or even mostly on andresvmb though? like i don't fully understand why andresvmb treated it that way nor do i understand why you are treating it this way

I didn’t treat it that way? I wanted to immediately counter the arguments you brought up because I’m not giving anyone an opening to derail the game here. Unless you’re willing to make a comprehensive argument balancing out my posts D1 and D2, I wasn’t going to let your comment about me acting in a Partnery way D2 just slide unchallenged. I really do think that if you look at the totality of my contributions and arguments, it’s a bit absurd. I’m also against a mass claim because there’s just no need for it right now. On balance, I think the Scum benefit more than the Town. Happy to have a mass claim if both STD and JV are Town.

Having said that, I don’t think I ever argued that you had spent too much time focusing on me. That’s just not anything I said. But it’s far easier for me to make points about my own play. And I’ve made my views clear and we don’t generally disagree so not sure what else I should be talking about.

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Can we get some more votes? I want to see how people are actually feeling. We’re being too shy about putting votes down this day phase.

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I ISO’ed STD btw and they made every soft defense of Scorpious that could have been made this game, and never voted there. When I (and others) were focused there early, they made a comment about how their eyes were glazing over and they didn’t think it was worth even debating (it clearly was). Then they obviously defended Scorpious mechanically by suggesting we don’t try and “outguess the Mod”. They of course did push geraintm hard when it was convenient and could avoid an execution of Scorpious. Like I think it’s obvious STD needs to get executed this game.

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i feel like we're getting distracted in crap that doesn't matter and ignoring what does matter like voting rathe

ok it's not crap per se but my eyes are glazing over and it's hard to focus on this "it's a joke it's not a joke it's a percent it's a lie it's not a lie" convo going on

Scorpious

i think it's entirely possible they're a town mailman, but the friendly neighbor information does make me wary. i think they're town based on play though.

This is what I’m talking about specifically.

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i think i believe the scorpius claim and that he was just likely blocked or something

why did you target angela, scorp

D1 angela was pretty town tho

These are STD’s posts regarding Scorpious’ claim.

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outguessing the mod/setup is dangerous

i've seen a neighborhood with 2 traitors in it they flipped one and assumed the other was town. i also saw a game with 3 mafia doctors in it. both are considered normal.

i could see a mailman and a friendly neighbor in the same setup as town

And this is the outguessing the Mod post I talked about.

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I just think all of this is pretty damning. I don’t see a need to look elsewhere at present.

[Andresvmb]

Does anyone have a contrarian view? Could STD just have been wrong? What do we feel about Rathe?

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STD that’s fine but you’re giving me nothing. I can understand you might be burnt out but I’m also a bit wary of giving you a pass purely based on emotion (and not your actual posts which I have quoted) when that same mistake cost me with Scorpious. I don’t know that you as Scum just give up like that, so I’m trying to think through whether the Scum saw Scorpious would be executed and have been planning around that (leaving others to take the fall when defending there), but you do have to try and give me something to chew on.

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I’ll UNVOTE: for now.

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I read through most of Scorpious’ ISO - I think geraintm, Nero Cain, and Rathe look quite solid from their early interactions with the slot. You know what’s hilarious? The lack of interactions between {STD, Scorpious}, and {Morning Tweet, Scorpious}. Scorpious actually makes a comprehensive case against Andante at one point over multiple posts when they probably felt they were going down D2. Can somebody look over that? Because it looks like massive distancing (that’s the JV slot).

I think this game probably ends once {STD, JV, MalcolmTucker} are executed, and I would do it in that order. geraintm and angela really should never be executed, and there seemed to be some intense criticism of Rathe in the early part of the game by Scorpious that I’m not all that sold would have occurred between Partners. It felt too aggressive, and I’m still kind of leaning on that to not have to consider Rathe too closely.

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I’m thinking about the game in this way because Scorpious’ main pushes up to the point when they started pushing Andante have all been on Town in my view. Scorpious was forced to pivot when Kitty claimed (though they clearly were resisting the claim), but they’ve pushed Pooky (confirmed Town), Kitty (Town), Me (I know I’m Town), angela (I would argue likely Town), and geraintm (counterwagon to Scum and very likely Town). But I suspect they realized that their ISO would be a gold mine for Town if they flipped, and they diversified a bit by pushing Andante. Also, just look at the awkwardness in the interactions between Scorpious and STD. There’s literally like two main exchanges I could find, and they seem kind of cringe.

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actually i think you and kittytacky are town so i guess i have thoughts

Are you going to give us some insight into these “thoughts”?

do you want more insight

it's mostly a vibe thing, angela seems to be engaged with the game and kittytacky is purely based on one post that didn't seem to come from scum

Fair, Thanks.

This is one.

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lets just vote Scorp, he's clearly not reading.

VOTE: Scorpious

I think I currently have the 3 worst votes ever on me right now, lol..

They just keeping getting worse and worse..

my gut says rathe and my gut is usually better than my logical part of my brain anyway so i trust it

ur gut is wrong

ur mom is wrong

gottem

just a follow up, don't do this.. makes me want to vote you just because. no need to be a dick..

And this is the other.

I think that’s it?!

[Andresvmb]

Oh I was also going to make the case that the post I dragged about Nero Cain (from Scorpious) doesn’t seem to be from Partners. It’s also an unnecessary time to heap pressure onto your Partner.

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Anyway, I’ll wait for a VC but I do think {STD, JV, Malcolm} just wins the game, so I fully intend to pursue the slots in that order.

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I do think I can very confidently say that {angela, geraintm} should be part of any Town core anyone wants to build, and {Nero Cain} is right up there. I think Rathe is my weakest read of the bunch, and it’s still pretty strong on the Town Lean side.

Scorpious and Galron also have a few interactions that I don’t think point to them being Partners that reinforce the case that Enchant is just Town btw.

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I have bad feelings about Scorpious and Morning Tweet.

VOTE: Scorpious

fair, but why do I get the vote over MT?

I have bad feelings about Scorpious and Morning Tweet.

VOTE: Scorpious

Does town me not vote you to make the leading wagon to catch a shitty Gera vote on you as well?

Cause scum me would be all over that..

And that’s what I mean when I talk about installed opportunism..

Ngl, you seem to love the attention..

And, Galron stop being a kiss ass smdh

I was thinking this in particular as it pertains to Galron.

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Anyway, that’s it from me for today. I’ll come back later, but I’ll put my vote back on VOTE: Save The Dragons.

This should be E-1 btw.

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geraintm why would you check me? You thought I could have swung from pushing one of my Partners all day D1, to landing on my other Scum Partner? That makes no sense that’s a terrible check by any standard.

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Ah you checked me N2 not N3 okay fine. I can maybe see it there.

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Okay so we wouldn’t have gone through the brain damage of executing JV at least. That’s fun.

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ok well not dre lol

Okay but seriously, how was I still in your POE?

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Like hell am I just going to give a player faith that they are Town

angela’s claim is actually weird. A N1/2/3 Tracker? What kind of gating is that?

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In any case, I think Malcolm should probably die first. I’ll activate my brain after that flip.

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VOTE: Malcolm

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E-1

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UNVOTE:

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Meh I don’t want to rush it. If Malcolm is Town their contributions will be helpful. I should try and actually solve today since there’s probably some use in that.

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I want to talk to JV. I’ll be back later.

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VOTE: Nero Cain

Largely, I think I was right towards the beginning of the game when I called out Nero’s lack of fire. I don’t think Rathe is Scum for being confused but if this flips Town I will absolutely hammer Rathe next day.

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Let’s just get on with it.

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@Rathe are you Town?

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I think this is one of my better games.

Well played Town. Good job all. Scum caught some bad breaks (and an ungated Cop always feels too strong to me), but I had most of the Team nailed down D1 (as did others), and overall I think we played pretty well.

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Thanks Mod!

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k great happy u trusted me andres great close to a fun game

Yeah I think I had Nero from meta in my head so at the end I felt I had to trust that.