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[Farkran]

But i was just saying i wouldnt scumread him for having differing reads than me?
I'm not sure where the wires are getting crossed here

Yeah that's the point

I don't think what you said is true, but i also think you do not realize that it isn't true - i'm not saying you lied, i'm saying your perception of your playstyle is not exact and it is noticeable from the outside

[Farkran]

it makes sense for scum!pooky not to oppose town!skitter regardless of mena alignment - i mean, pooky has been arfing at skitter's feet ever since page 5 or something, it would have been an immense scumtell if he went against her to vote town!mena, and if mena is scum all the better for him

like this isnt even about skitter scumreading me


he is saying it is a scum tell for me to vote/push skitters townreads

something which is objectively untrue.

By the way, it's actually the opposite

I think it is a scumtell for you that all your reads have been aligning with skitter's even when she herself later admitted they weren't the best takes available

[Farkran]

Either way i dont think its inherently a scumtell for pooky to have differing reads than me

Pedit i'm not sure i admitted that?
Also i'm not sure all of his reads are aligned with mine

Look at the vote log

Also didn't you admit that your take on lucy was over the top given the circumstances?

Anyways, this has little to do with you now skit, more with the fact that pooky's takes are bad, but they have always been bad in a way that makes him look aligned to the most charismatic part of the town

Bah, while i was writing this i thought it would have been more important but it actually isn't

[Farkran]

I'm just really frustrated at how people are reading pooky's posts and don't see what i mean

But i've been there in the past and no amount of insisting is gonna change our minds until someone flips which is why i'm also working on mena

It's 4 days to deadline and we are nowhere near close to a compromise

[Farkran]

Ok

[Farkran]

I could maybe vote fark too

For the record, just to demonstrate how i am not living in the same reality as pooky but somehow i am the one in the wrong universe

[Farkran]

Also pooky you have yet to tell me why you found lucy's 1800 scummy right after skitter called her for it

Even if i asked at least 6 times in a single page, i think?

I mean it feels like you're projecting your own scumtells onto me because you are aware they are scumtells

[Farkran]

a town who makes a mistake will admit and recalibrate

he doesnt even acknowledge or address my rebuttal and just glides into the next bullshit talking point.

Yeah, exactly my point

I've been waiting your answer and reconsideration for lucy for 60 pages now

[Farkran]

Yet somehow fark/lucy is still your solve based on 2908 and your case on her is literally and simultaneously

1. Identical to what skitter said
2. Wrong in the worst possible way and while skitter being mad may not realize it, you chose to dive head-on against lucy with a cool mind
3. This is especially funny because you say you townread menalque and have defended yourself with the "if i was scum i would have let him die" but somehow lucy switching from a e-1 wagon to a 0 wagon against skitter is scummy

[Farkran]

a town who makes a mistake will admit and recalibrate

Not always

if he wants to hard tunnel and purposefully lie and evade as town then hes a garbage player

lol

[Farkran]

its almost like she never believed mena was scum in the first place

@pengy i have to be on my spampost a game now that skitter has returned lest she steal my shitpost crown.

and i literally explained why i voted lucy in this post

which is in the aftermath of 1800 and during when i was talking to hectic about whether lucy was scum or not

so yet another bullshit lie from you about me never explaining the lucy vote in the first place

So uh why did scum!lucy unvote town!mena to go against skitter exactly?

Aren't you the one saying that scum!you would have let menalque die?

[Farkran]

because Luca unvoted so the mena quick-elim was untenable to push for at that point.

momentum shifted on the slot. there was as window where you/lucy were almost pushing the mena elim thru when mena was at e1 and both of you were pressuring for votes

And you seriously believe the best course of action for the lucy/fark scumteam in that situation is starting a new wagon against skitter?

Seriously? Take a breath before answering

[Farkran]

Is pooky really a player who cannot display fake aggressiveness as scum, or do you really think his takes are towny?

Because i could understand the first option but the second is beyond me and i don't know what to do if that's the case

Pedit: how the fuck can you see scum motivation in switching to a new wagon against skitter. Like seriously how. That wagon had almost literally no chances to go through compared to pretty much anybody else on board except maybe luca

[Farkran]

his entire plan is to spam so much bullshit nobody can follow along and then shoot me at night to shut me up.

Pooky postcount: 400+
Farkran postcount: 200+

How do you even make posts like this with a straight face

[Farkran]

and you still havent addressed why i would want to mis elim lucy when she is townreading me

where is MY scum motivation for wanting a townlucy miselimmed!?!!

1. Pocket skitter
2. Elim town
3. Probably chainsaw mena

[Farkran]

me shitposting with penguin is irrelevant to our conversation
me flirting with skitter is irrelevant to this conversation
most of my 400 posts have nothing to do with this conversation we are having now


but what is going on in this conversation is you throwing bs point after bs point at me

me objectively showing your point is a lie/misrep/fallacy just on its face and then you ignoring my rebuttal and making up another bs point

i am talking about our conversation right now

my 400 other posts about other shit is completely irrelevant

You realize there are 3 pooky posts for every 1 farkran post in this very page, right?

[Farkran]

I'm going to stop here, i think i have made my point clear

Pedit: yes thanks

[Farkran]

My theory was that Day mentioned a crumb in the scum pt and Norwee forgot it wasn’t mentioned in the game

I do think Norwee/Day makes sense regardless

I think you're wrong here, but i'm open to hear your reasoning

Wrt day though i don't think it count as a crumb but that not's the point - scum!day has little reason to fakeclaim that role so it's probably true. Maybe scum!day makes up the disloyal part, but everything else is very likely part of his true role

I don't think this is scum!day though and norwee is still town to me, tell me why i am wrong

ig i'm kinda ambivalent about the claim being true or not but you seem to be implying that because it's true he's town? i'm not following that part

I think Day trueclaimed and it makes much more sense that he's town with that claim

[Farkran]

But - informed is an ability

Does informed include details though?

I assumed you would only learn stuff like "you know there is a roleblocker", not a 9-shot odd non-consecutive disloyal imperative suburban roleblocker of eternal destruction

[Farkran]

Ah, nvm that makes sense

It's still quite a spicy claim to make imo, the disloyal part looks like overkill for a fakeclaim? I mean out of all the modifiers you could add to a made up role i don't think you would pick that

[Farkran]

UNVOTE:

Shit pooky is town

[Farkran]

Day is also town btw and norwee/day are never, ever a team

[Farkran]

I would vote menalque but i think his wagon will never go through now

I think i want to vote alisae

Any interest?

[Farkran]

I think ali/mena are a team

[Farkran]

To elaborate further

In hindsight of pooky being town i think ali has been trying to pocket me without actually sticking er head too much

And er votes are conveniently shaped to not consolidate yet e's ready to vote pretty much everywhere there's a trace of green

This is not my alisae

[Farkran]

I would vote menalque but i think his wagon will never go through now

I think i want to vote alisae

Any interest?

pleaaaaaase

This hurts me more than it hurts you really

Your pocket is soft and warm

[Farkran]

Further - you could be informed that there are no roleblockers or rolecops and then fake claim and ask to be rolecopped.

The discussion so far seems more geared towards: "guilty until proven innocent" than "innocent until proven guilty. Regardibg Day, which is not how a PR claim should be treated day 1.

Votes against day are pretty terrible

Scum on wagon is guaranteed

Pedit: i'm sad that you aren't having fun though

[Farkran]

This norwee is just town i'm sry

I don't understand why the menalque wagon died in the first place and i disliked ali unvoting on there

Like e's still the trigger-happy alisae i love but somehow only against town

[Farkran]

This norwee is just town i'm sry

I don't understand why the menalque wagon died in the first place and i disliked ali unvoting on there

Like e's still the trigger-happy alisae i love but somehow only against town

just show me im wrong and i adjust
im good at that

Why unvoting mena but join on day and norwee

[Farkran]

This norwee is just town i'm sry

I don't understand why the menalque wagon died in the first place and i disliked ali unvoting on there

Like e's still the trigger-happy alisae i love but somehow only against town

just show me im wrong and i adjust
im good at that

Why unvoting mena but join on day and norwee

cuz those 2 seem more like scum than mena? didn't like day putting mena and skitter low in their reads and they feel like they're keeping me at arm's reach
norwee feels similar and his agenda is starting to show. also his logic sucks but his logic always sucks

Mena is scummy though so why is it scummy for norwee and day to vote scum

I mean if you see an agenda show me the agenda and how does it work

[Farkran]

That moment when you’re scumread for agenda and the person in question doesn’t even know what the supposed agenda is because nobody will tell him.

Yes, pretty much literally this

Where's the agenda? What's the purpose?

[Farkran]

All i have seen so far is how people scumread other people because their reads don't align

But there is no attempt to discern whether the accused party believes in their reads, which is what separates scum from town

Being wrong does not equal being scum - and that being said i don't even think he is wrong

The wagon against Day is garbage

[Farkran]

To reiterate my point, the wagon isn't garbage because i think day's town (i still do), but because most of the people on the wagon do not really believe that day is scum

Pedit: this isn't about you luca, this is about mena and alisae mostly

[Farkran]

Can you at least address my reasoning and say why you disagree with me

Wrt Day you mean?

Before the claim, think the multipost readlist he gave around page 1000 is extremely towny and it fits a player profile who stands back in the beginning and let other people speak then producing relevant conclusions that aren't foggy or aligned to the game flow. I believe scum would either attempt to take the lead and then produce solid reads which however are made with the purpose of manipulating the gamestate thanks to your leading position OR scum would lurk away and when asked to produce reads they are vague and mostly aligned to what other players just said.

Post-claim, i have already said how i think he trueclaimed and i believe the disloyal modifier doesn't come from scum in his case, it is a unnecessary risk to take and i strongly believe it doesn't come from informed scum.

[Farkran]

Around post 1000* obviously lol not page 1000

1108 this one

[Farkran]

Yeah give me a minute

[Farkran]

Spoiler:

This game is so entertaining, I had way too much fun catching up on all that. I was starting to think I might've been the crazy one and the legendary 1800 was actually scummy when all of skitter/Pooky/Chara were vehemently against me, so it's relieving to see Farkran/Norwee/Luca come in and mirror essentially everything I was thinking on the matter. The way the factions have developed in this game are really fascinating, this is most interesting day 1 've been in for ages.

skitter's venting I actually find pretty towny, in that her exasperation indicates she truly does believe in the arguments she's making, so if she's scum, she thinks she's actually completely in the right here, or she's just town. Farkran is obvtown. Luca is still obvtown. Norwee still town and the mind melding helps a lot. Pooky 'm not as sure on but pushing and calling Fark scum probably doesn't have much scum motivation there even if I completely disagree with the reasoning? I townread him less than I did before though. I don't hate Luca's take that it's a TvTvTvT. skitter being the least confident because that's a recent change in heart and the rest of the game's content and uneasy feelings do still exist.

Uh, what else. Chara! Chara, Chara, Chara... I found Chara's vote on me really strange as well, and the way they framed how they disliked me reconsidering while they agree with the reasoning which made me reconsider is weird. They said town sometimes doubles down on reasoning and is antagonistic, and are applying the inverse to say me

not

doing that is scummy, when I don't think they should be applying the inverse there?
I also didn't like 2122 because Chara acknowledged they haven't read most of the game and were playing a 5 page game or whatever, so how could they know when they haven't see what I townread Lucy for and why?

VOTE: Chara

Out for now.

VOTE: day

VOTE: day

Of course.

'd still vote for Menalque if not Chara. The minimum 1 scum thing and performative votes onto Luca and Norwee when they're both obvtown is what I actually think is the worst take in the game.

Eh, I want to do this more right now.

VOTE: Menalque

Out for real now.

I find this sequence really scummy.

Day acknowledged Chara was correct in divining his thought-process in 2114, but when a wagon had sprung up and gained some interest on Chara Day then decides he SR's them? The reasoning he gave is not new here so why has he waited until this point to fos/vote them?

And his tone is so scummy. He later said he is intentionally faking his tone or something, but I don't see a gimmick in 2418? It's like he feels nervous about joining the wagon so overcompensates in terms of how he's presenting it. He did something similar earlier in the game when hopping back on the Suji wagon while I was casing Norwee.

He then receives a couple of votes and then fos's Menalque again before switching onto him for something that happened ages ago. It seems like he's really insecure over his Chara vote here and is playing politically.

I think the sequence is only scummy if you are strong on reading menalque as town because otherwise Day's picks aren't bad and his progression on them is solid, especially mena (see the very same readlist i just linked)

The vote against Chara (nullread from Day so far) is born out of Chara's stance wrt 1800 and its vote on Day which i also found distasteful to be honest - although 2114 as you have pointed out is kinda political for Day and i can see how you find him scummy because of that - rest of the reasons (tone and vote progression) i don't really see them, i don't think he has a scummy tone and his reasons for scumreading menalque sound sincere whereas i cannot say the opposite is true

I have already spoken at length about how i think the wagon against day is bad regardless of day alignment (i.e. the reasons that people gave for voting Day are bad) which to me is further motive to believe he is town. Incidentally Chara could also be scum here and i can compromise on it, i've been trying to townread it because i really wanted to play together but i don't know, pooky being THIS committed to save Day makes me believe i have to redesign the game structure i had in mind

Wrt the claim, i don't think scum produces a claim this spicy when there are at least 3-4 people hard defending him not including his partners - i mean try to see things from my pov: i am not scum, pooky is (now surprisingly) not scum, lucy is extremely likely not scum and we were all fighting hard against Day's lim, not including his potential partners. I know you believe norwee is one but no matter his alignment norw would never vote day, and there's at least third one who would also not vote there

Day was never in such a dangerous position to produce a risky claim like that

[Farkran]

Incidentally Chara could also be scum here and i can compromise on it, i've been trying to townread it because i really wanted to play together but i don't know, pooky being THIS committed to save Day makes me believe i have to redesign the game structure i had in mind

why can i be scum? you know my current scumgame the best of this table, and you also seem to have a good idea of what my townplay is like.

i want to play with you too, i think i've explained my thoughts on what you've asked me about to the most that they existed, and yeah it is a little awkward to converse when we're online at different times.

I know, that was a problem when we were scum too lol, i remember writing at evening my time only to find wallposts from you later in the morning in both the main thread and scum pt which i had then to fight with my body and soul to keep up the facade. Ahhh the nostalgia *tear on my cheek*

By the way, actually i don't know your townplay at all! I am just making assumptions about it based on how you were townread at the time of undertale and i think it could be compatible with what you're doing here - going with the flow and never taking strong stances - my point is mostly that i think the wagon on day is scumdriven because the reasons provided to hop on the wagon were a bit weak from mena, ali and you too to some extent

Although i can relate on you being more sensible to 2114 since it was directed at you - still, i would expect that the claim should at least give you some pause when in fact it didn't at all?

Pedit: it's true that it has low chance of self-resolving but would you agree that the timing and nature of the claim is unnecessarily risky? He wasn't forced to claim and even if he had to v/la i really don't think scum would be afraid of being hammered without being given a chance to claim *after* the v/la

[Farkran]

pedit: i don't agree with the scumreads on Norwee, they all just seem to be meta which i take with a major grain of salt without a detailed breakdown of the player's style. which rarely happens.

Norwee is simultaneously scumread and townread based on meta which is hilarious though

[Farkran]

hiii farkran

HELLOOOOOO

Sorry if it sounded like i'm ignoring you but i am not!

I wish to talk to you more in fact! Hopefully we'll stay alive for a couple days or die together so that we can get to know ourselves better! You look like a super nice person to have in my friendlist and play more in my new adventure here on ms

If you have any thoughts to share on the current situation i'd be happy to hear them!

Or we could talk about a topic of your choice if you'd rather! I'm not the most, uh, creative and extrovert person when starting a conversation, i'm usually a bit shy around new people unless we're playing something, i feel comfortable within the context of games

[Farkran]

VOTE: alisae

DEAR SUBJECTS OF THE FARKRAN CHURCH

I SUMMON YOU ALL TODAY TO ELIMINATE THE EBIL WHO POSSESSED OUR POPE

RAISE YOUR HANDS TO THE SKY AND LIBERATE YOUR SOULS

LET JUSTICE BE DONE

SO I HAVE SPOKETH

[Farkran]

Fark, why are you rallying an Alisae lim?
I joined just for the sake of doing an heat-of-the-moment thing but game died down.

Because i think e has a significant chance to be scum and menalque wouldn't go down

What triggered me about ali is that e seems ready to vote anything (which is in line with ali playstyle regardless of alignment) except people who i think are scum (which isn't in line with er at all)

Er vote on pooky, in hindsight of him being town for the defense of day, is kinda bad given that e refused to sheep me earlier

Ultimately i think e has been lowkey pocketing me and not really opposing anyone

But honestly i don't know what to say, i sat on a mena/pooky solve for years and i think i was wrong so this is currently my best bet at limming scum today

[Farkran]

hiii farkran

HELLOOOOOO

Sorry if it sounded like i'm ignoring you but i am not!

I wish to talk to you more in fact! Hopefully we'll stay alive for a couple days or die together so that we can get to know ourselves better! You look like a super nice person to have in my friendlist and play more in my new adventure here on ms

If you have any thoughts to share on the current situation i'd be happy to hear them!

Or we could talk about a topic of your choice if you'd rather! I'm not the most, uh, creative and extrovert person when starting a conversation, i'm usually a bit shy around new people unless we're playing something, i feel comfortable within the context of games

i know you are not ignoring me hello yes hi, i have a bad feeling i will be alive in this game for a while because i genuinely have no clue what's going on and then scum are going to sit and laugh at me in their pt while i am just smiling and nodding and trying to get a semblance of whatever's happening, and i feel like i keep repeating that but it's true, this game is confusing to me and hard for me to get a grasp on frankly, it feels like it's just going in circles and i know that it won't just be an arbitrary elim by the end of the day but... it really feels like it will to me, despite logically it Not Being Like That. it just feels tedious to sort through everything right now. it also feels like, whenever, i get an inkling of what id like to do, the person who i'd be down to kill comes back with some good points and it's tiring, this day 1 is very tiring in general

i wouldn't kill as of now probably? you, luca, day, lucy, s_s, probably pooky now too that i've thought about it, part of my issue with reading him is that he's theatrical/Loud/All Caps at times and i was finding it weird but as it's went on i feel like he's genuinely exasperated at times? the same with you, when you were fighting before, and i know that emotion isn't always towny but it Feels Like It

the rest are like... varying degrees of, i don't want to kill you, but i would if only to get this game past today, i'm willing to sheep... uh, looking right now luca just voted norwee and i've been townreading him but like, i dunno, i'm historically bad at figuring him out so i'm willing to concede there that the one time i actually townread him he might be scum? idk, uh, probably wouldn't vote alisae... still think something weird is in the pooky/skitter/mena triangle but i'm coming around more to town!pooky just from how he's been acting + his pushes, even if they're not correct, feel like... Good. chara + penguinpower don't... do anything, info wise, and i don't have a real scumread on either of them (like, chara is low activity and i think a lack of towntelling isn't like, a good reason to vote someone right now and penguin's felt sparse to me in terms of content but again, meh).

yeah, basically i'm lost as fuck, will sheep for the promise of not getting nightkilled UNLESS i get nightkilled right before lylo..

and now, OFF TOPIC

Spoiler:

what did you do today? i think you are in a very different timezone than me so by the time i read this i think ? you will have had a day, also what was the last song you listened to?

Eh, i guess that's part of the fun, even if it gets very frustrating at times - besides a couple fights that i didn't want to have, this game is amazingly active and balanced even though right now i pretty much only have solid townreads (day, lucy, luca, norwee, ss and yeah scum!poky doesn't softclaim like that to defend town!day) and one scumread (mena) whereas the rest of the people i'm just trying to fit like pieces to a puzzle and see what makes sense

I'm still paranoid of skitter because of her push against day which isn't really good but then again she sounded like town earlier and we've been at the opposite sides of the room recently. Ultimately she isn't going down anyways so i'm kind of just ignoring her until later

You are in a position where tonally wise you're one of the most towny slots, yet you haven't do much in terms of advancing the gamestate, which is... dangerous, and that also makes a me a bit paranoid of you, but it still fits your player profile so you're the greenest of my yellow reads i'd say?

And then there are a bunch of people who also haven't done much towny (or at all) and the one who fits the least into my expectations of how town!them should play is currently alisae

Spoiler: offtopic

yeah, i live in italy and i think you're u.s.? It's now 10.30 in the morning here! By the way i didn't do much because we're still in covid lockdown, so i'm staying at my parents' to help my mom who has recently got surgery and needs some assistance in home chores - i can work from my laptop so it isn't a big issue

Last song i listened to, uh... i'm not much of a music person so it's pretty much always someone else's playlist which i don't pay huge attention to... i think that would be an italian song, "un passo dalla luna". The last song i *chose* to listen i think would be Umbrella by Rihanna even though i only like the 10-seconds slow passage in the end part, rest of the song is not my genre at all!

What about you?

[Farkran]

Ydrasse's last couple of posrs reminded me of scum her.

Wow

Ydrasse do you really do this as scum?

[Farkran]

tbh this day phase I think always elims a townie considering it seems impossible to get wagons through on like anyone so it's probably just better to vote the person who's flip is the most revealing.

And yet you didn't want to vote menalque though he has been the focus of attention for like the whole midphase of the day

I'd be still down for menalque but people are hardtownreading him for i don't even know what reason, it just seems to me that he's being saved out of friendship which sure it's ok this is a game, but he's scummy

[Farkran]

VOTE: menalque

Norwee alisae call to arms

[Farkran]

I don't know, but i am fiercely convinced both you and day are town

[Farkran]

Ydrasse is there a reason why you're not fine with menalque being the flip today?

[Farkran]

Why would his irl situation be indicative of a town alignment though

Also wrt skitter i am also at the point where i find all her takes to be *really* out of place about mena, about lucy, about day and myself, like, i believe that literally all of those reads are the opposite of what they should be regardless of correctness

But i believe her when she says she wouldn't make *this* amount of fuss to save town!mena as scum. I have seen her making a fuss about people as town though, even when she was actually reading the game the wrong way

Also not less importantly i don't think the manpower is sufficient to take her down because any!mena wouldn't vote, any!pp wouldn't vote, town!pooky wouldn't vote and i'm not sure about chara day and SS because their stances on skitter weren't clear and/or i forgot if they ever had any

[Farkran]

Why would his irl situation be indicative of a town alignment though

With this i mean that rolling scum would actually have a worse effect on a depressed menalque than rolling town because scum takes more effort both emotionally and physically, that's what i would expect of him at least

I still feel like he started playing his scumgame but had no significant success so he kinda gave up especially when skitter backs him up so fiercely

Pedit: eh, i explained myself profusely though wrt all those positions and how/why none of them would do what they did if they were scum - lucy and day specifically but tbh as scum i wouldn't wk all three of them fiercely either; maybe Norwee and Lucy because she was never in danger of being limed but Day would have been fried if i joined against him instead of fighting the lim

Pedit2 the above is @skit

[Farkran]

Who do you think makes sense as a partner for Menalque, Farkran?

First to come to mind is still alisae, e probably busses at this point of the day but i'm fine if we lim scum anyways

Then maybe Chara/Ydrasse/PP as a PoE and based on their behavior around mena, like all of them avoided the lim without providing *too much* reason for it, although i think scum!pp would bus scum!mena easier, maybe. The other two probably not so much

[Farkran]

You really think the all the scum are in {Menalque, PP, Chara, Ydrasse, Ali}?

If so then the scum team is going down with a whimper. Pretty sure Chara is Town as well

"Really" eh

I think it would make sense. Why not. I have strong townreads that i'm fairly sure will flip green i.e. day, norwee, lucy, pooky, luca

And other townreads that i wouldn't bet the game on but still wouldn't vote today i.e. skitter and SS

I guess if you want to organize this into a readlist it would be

TOWN
{Day}
{pooky, norwee, lucy} but this tier isn't even a full tier below the first, i separated them just because i think Day is literally -never- scum whereas these three are like 2% chance
{SS}
{Skitter}
{Ydrasse, PP, Chara, Alisae}
{Menalque}
SCUM

Pedit: oh - spicy take from mena, unexpected (not ironic)

[Farkran]

At this point I definitely don’t want a Farkran lim today.

My lim pool is {Ydrasse, Norwee, Ali}

I won’t vote Menalque as I just don’t feel it flips scum

I really don’t know what to make of Ali at the point but I don’t think it’s a terrible choice

Ydrasse is currently my preference

Norwee I’m back and forth on. He’s probably be the most informative lim, but his AtE got to me a bit and made me doubt myself. It’s probably better to give him longer as his alignment will become clear as the game progresses.

Out of those, Alisae would be my preference ftr

Ydrasse isn't particularly scummy in a vacuum to me, but she does make a lot of sense in a PoE

Pedit: why didn't this list appear sooner if you wanted to accelerate the process of flipping

[Farkran]

Ya okay I like PP more than Chara in that solve of {PP, Luca, SS}
Or it could be something like {PP, SS, Norwee}

Norwee's progression is kinda similar to that one time we were scum together and he kept changing his stance on to townread me or to not townread me, so this could make some sense.

Norwee is this true

[Farkran]

Also @mod you should use this pagetop to post vc

[Farkran]

Ew metadiving

Ok just this once because it was you asking and i think it might be relevant

[Farkran]

Ya okay I like PP more than Chara in that solve of {PP, Luca, SS}
Or it could be something like {PP, SS, Norwee}

Norwee's progression is kinda similar to that one time we were scum together and he kept changing his stance on to townread me or to not townread me, so this could make some sense.

Norwee is this true

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=82568 read it for yourself buddy

Awww you even talked about me in that game (we lost avalon in the end tho, sadface)

Still i think norwee has more fun as scum than town and the frustration here is genuine, but maybe that's just because anime games are more fitting to his tastes

I don't see any similarities between that scum!norw and this!norw though, but then again metadiving is satan

Talk to me about your similarities in feeling between that norwee and this norwee

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Alisae is mad

And this is probably town indicative for er but eh

Pretty sure e can be mad as scum too, just maybe less likely

I can compromise on PP but not my fav choice, like, PP would always play like this regardless of align and he feels like being lhf-ed ever since suji, but in retrospect i guess the original wagon in suji (luca day norw pooky) wasn't so bad either

SS is funny bc literally the only vote he ever received is his own

[Farkran]

2 irl days to deadline though

I'm with ali in saying we shouldn't wait the last 10 minutes to consolidate regardless of ali alignment

[Farkran]

The only player who defended him was Skitter, and she could have done that as either alignment so it doesn’t help a lot

And pooky, and chara, and ydrasse, and alisae, and to some extent pp

Pedit: lol we'll never see the end of this

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Then Fark defends Lucy from SkitteR:

"She's been on menalque for a while now so i don't see anything bad in her consolidating on the wagon + i don't think earlier posts from her were scummy? Her vote on you is legit"

1730

Like she's legit the last person on the wagon and was actively against Mena until Mena was run up and started flailing, it's just not a realistic characterization of how Lucy voted for Mena.

This is a good point, the last time Lucy talks about Mene is in 1420 and it's positive, where'd you get the impression she'd been on Mene for a while now, Fark?

I clearly remember her having mixed thoughts about mena which ultimately grew into a solid scumread, the vote is only consolidating her position?

However my strong townread of lucy doesn't come from the mena vote, rather from how she went against skitter before and after the mena phase. There's no reason for scum!lucy to go against skitter at that point, she could very well unvote and fade from the thread instead. Starting a new wagon against skit is the worst possible move for scum!her at that point in time, no matter how high the chances for the menalque wagon to die she would always look better if she stayed put. Skitter was already on the warpath because of her townread on menalque, why would you as scum attack a charismatic player that had very little chances to be flipped anyways - you either pocket her or leave her be - the only reason Lucy could do that is because she genuinely scumreads skitter. My strong point here is not how Lucy scumreaded or townreaded menalque but what she has been doing around that moment.

I still fail to see how anyone could think that Lucy hopping on skitter is part of a scum agenda, but i guess we never stop learning new stuff. I should have long since accepted that people often have the most divergent opinions about mafia gamestates even when reading them from the same/similar pov. I really shouldn't get mad.

(Note: i only skimmed over the last posts and i'll be catching up backwards)

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I would actually think after their one night stand s/s game they would try not to bus each other this game lol

I am not aware of this one night stand game but based on mena and ali personalities that i know, i think they would easily softbus and/or hardbus each other if they were both scum?

I'll keep reading to see if there is any other motive to see them as not s/s but in my personal experience i see none

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And fyi, they both bussed last time they rolled scum together and it was hilarious, but hilariously bad. I really don't think they bus like that again so soon after that.

Ah, i see

Hmmmm yeah if they failed that poorly i think they wouldn't give it a second try

If they are t/s i... don't really know anymore, i can see partners for mena, less so for ali, but i think either could be scum without the other. Again, i'd bet more on mena than ali - really the only reasons for me to reconsider mena have been coming from other people rather than mena himself

If they are t/t i don't know what to say, maybe pp/chara/ydrasse? skitter/ss?

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2746 doesn't make any sense to me honestly, Fark. What do you mean by-

because he's involuntarily forced himself in a position where he can't comfortably vote anyone else without looking scummy now so he just *has* to commit to his current reads regardless

Why can't scum!Pooky vote anywhere else outside of his current scumreads or whatever?

In particular i think he dug himself down a hole when he voted lucy - lucy hasn't been scummy and i believe even skitter came to understand that (correct me if i'm wrong here) yet pooky keeps saying Lucy's votes follow a scumdriven agenda - like, what agenda is scum!lucy following exactly with her vote pattern? I've been asking for an explanation for a billion years but the answer is always the same, "lucy has an agenda" - supported by non-significative absolute wording like obviousz/ridiculous/terrible without backing them up with actual explanations

Pooky keeps raising the point that it's stupid for scum!him to vote Lucy when she's been townreading and buddying him all game - do you agree or disagree with this?

I retract these points about pooky

but at the time i believed that scum!pooky's hardtunneling on town came from the fact that he had to take those stances in order to keep up a facade of pocketing skitter mostly. Note how he didn't go against literally any of skitter reads for the longest time - voting anywhere in skitter townbin would look bad for him

But then he softclaimed to defend you while skitter was promoting your lim so i scratched that thought, it's too bold a move from pooky if it was just for pocketing purposes

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Last time I played with skitter she pushed town!me while defending scum!Aldu for all of day 1. I managed to get Aldu eventually and was nightkilled night 1 though. 'm not saying this to shade skitter but to explain why I don't take her reads as gospel and why I wasn't putting as much stock into the Menalque read as others were - she can be wrong just like everyone else (you're still great though, skitter22)

Yeah i think this is the game i kept referencing when talking about how skitter can be the most stubborn about her reads regardless of alignment (or maybe even a bit more when town)

I was in a hydra with Kerset, i was part of the group who wanted to flip aldus, skitter fought fiercely against the lim and we only managed to get to a compromise like 30 minutes before deadline

And aldus was scum

[Farkran]

I

might

just be pocketed by Fark. His defense of me could be from scum in the way he keeps asking what the case is on me when it's been stated multiple times by Chara, or at least its case has been. Norwee's defense of me feels a lot more genuine.

I wanna see what Day has to say. Pooky's scumread on Fark is intriguing and i don't think it's scum indicative for Pooky. But my reads allign with most of Farkrans, excluding their scumread on Pooky.

Yeah, it's hard to tell. This 1v1 or attack has spanned like 40 pages so it's hard to really get into the meat of it. 'm trying though.

Oh, and Pooky's definitely town, he's gotta be

You do realize that in isaac i only wked you because i was forced to :> and i lost that game so it's not like i had some huge success with that strategy

Also iirc i think i literally posted in the scum pt that i was about to push against you d2, so that pocket attempt was very far from my plans

So yeah i know it's just my word but trust me as scum i don't wk people that have a fair chance to be limed just out of nowhere

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And I think it's weird they're not letting go given Pooky's confidence 'm town because of his role. Especially for PenguinPower actually, he top townreads Pooky so it's strange he doesn't trust his opinion when it comes to this and wants to continue voting me. Chara's vote makes a little more sense because its given a lot of reasoning for why it believes 'm scum, whereas PenguinPower has given none

VOTE: PenguinPower

I can relate, but pp isn't my fav choice, i think it's just pp being pp

Pedit: pooky, despite how much you said that i don't read/don't try to undestand your reasons, i do. And i did even when i was scumreading you. They just don't make sense to me, i'm sorry - what you call "suboptimal" i would call "immensely risky for literally no reward" and i find that implausible. You say she lost nothing, i say she also gained nothing, she just drew attention on herself when she could easily UTR by just unvoting, or even by *not* unvoting. There was no attempt from lucy to take a leading position in the town, so it makes no sense for her to try and get one at that moment in time. Scum!her just keeps pushing on mena or unvotes

Pedit2: yeah, ok, you can explain anything with wifom but you should at least try to understand when wifom is just not realistic. Also i've been limming people who townreaded me as scum plenty of times, why would i not? I even nightkilled people who hardtownreaded me. You will need to remove them anyways if you think they can be a problem for you later on, and that depends on the player. Sometimes, you even get *more* townreaded by attacking people who already townread you.

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It's 2.30 am and i've been trying to catchup for one hour now but you keep posting stuff so i'll just say my piece about a couple things and then go to sleep

1. I did explain why i scumread mena, many times, and the narrative that i cannot "substantiate" my scumread is loaded because all you did in this game was trying to buddy everyone at start of day, then when people actually picked up on scumreading your behavior, you faded away until you got townlocked for no reason, yet you expect me to "substantiate" when we're less than 2 days from the deadline and i've been trying to consolidate on a wagon since 4 days ago and now i'm compromising on the player who makes then most sense as scum to me after i have been unable to sell my other scumreads which incidentally are also part of *your* solves and if you were actually town you would try to cooperate by now instead of calling all your voters scum when you even voted against your own townbloc at some point

2. I tried to communicate with you pooky, but at this point you're just being unpleasant. I was about to say that you'll be sorry postgame when you realize just how much your takes were wrong but i guess you will just say town was bad instead, so have fun with that

Anyways, since you asked for a table of valid lim candidates

I'll never lim these people: Day, Lucy, Norwee and unfortunately Pooky because it goes against my wincon

Everyone else is game, preference to menalque and alisae.

Fark out, good night

[Farkran]

Sorry, ebwop, i will also not elim Luca

Good night for real now

[Farkran]

1. I did explain why i scumread mena, many times, and 1 the narrative that i cannot "substantiate" my scumread is loaded because all you did in this game was 2 trying to buddy everyone at start of day, then when people actually picked up on scumreading your behavior, you faded away until you got townlocked for no reason, yet you expect me to "substantiate" 3 when we're less than 2 days from the deadline 4 and i've been trying to consolidate on a wagon since 4 days ago and now i'm compromising on the player who makes then most sense as scum to me after i have been unable to sell my other scumreads which incidentally are also part of *your* solves and 5 if you were actually town you would try to cooperate by now instead of calling all your voters scum when 6 you even voted against your own townbloc at some point

(1) sorry, we were looking for substantiation beyond “waa me no like meta”

(2) firstly this is just untrue, even if you view my behaviour as buddying it was clearly more targeted than “everybody”. Secondly, this is deliberately looking for the scummiest explanation and is therefore bad faith and illogical. There’s option (a) where I’m trying to randomly buddy ydrasse and chara for ?? reasons or explanation (b) where I’m just vibing bc I like the player list and having particular fun riffing with those two

(3) irrelevant

(4) irrelevant!

(5) uh I’m not calling all my voters scum, I’m calling my voters a solid scum nexus plus bad town. But this disregards that all game what I’ve done is vote the most viable of my scumreads to have traction. Rn I’m voting you. If that died I’d prob vote ali again, or I’d vote norwee. I would vote chara if I had to

(6) firstly, when? secondly, irrelevant

1. It's not meta, meta is only being used to assess whether this would be outside of your scumrange or not, and it isn't imo, i don't think you ever obvtowned here

2. Pretty sure you were targeting everyone, but at least i recall you tried with me, skitter, ydrasse, chara, alisae and it's already half of the plist - the problem with it is not how you buddied them though but rather how you disappeared when (at least) me and skitter told you that we weren't townreading you. I can look for the posts if you wish to engage on this point further.

3. It's not irrelevant when you have been away for the whole midphase of the day, then return when you're being wagoned as the compromise and demand me to "substantiate". There's nothing to substantiate, you are scummier than most other people for the reasons i have already provided. You're using your lack of content to push a narrative that people voting you are in bad faith, whereas i think town!you would have admitted you were scummy and try to analyze/compromise on other people's reads

4. Not irrelevant, if you were here midphase we could have engaged about this earlier and maybe come to see eye to eye about your position if you are town, but you just came back and are pushing me as the lhf on your wagon instead of trying to understand my reasoning - again, bad faith from your part and no reason for me to reconsider. You also tried to do the same against norwee but guess what, skitter and pooky were already pushing me and i think it's no coincidence that you picked me out of the 6p wagon, it's very convenient of you to push the target who was already under attack as your strongest scumread out of your whole wagon. Note that you specifically said that i am *scummier than norwee* and than everyone else, you didn't say "x y and z are scummy and i'm only pushing z because he's the top wagon rn" as you are trying to say now.

5. The above also covers point 5

6. You voted Lucy *after* you had her striked in your list alongside all your other townreads, and this is relevant because it shows how your readlist is fake and conveniently shaped to fit your needs based on the gamestate

I believe this covers all i need to say about you and why you're still my highest sr.

That being said, i'm willing to compromise on PP at this point in time.

[Farkran]

VOTE: pp

I think e-1 or maybe e-2

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By the way pooky, you debunked nothing, all you have been doing is repeatedly say that what *i* say is nonsense, but that would be ok if we disagree about the topic

What irks me is that you say that "i do not answer you, instead i move on to the next nonsense" which is a lie and extremely unpleasant to hear. I have always answered all your points with my own opinion which i still think is better than yours for the record - but i don't expect that you give up on your idea, just that you stop lying about me not answering your posts

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Actually i've been rereading skitter and i think wking mena wouldn't be outside of her scumrange given her eod actions

Mena before we go on a rehash of d1, elaborate your case against me in light of what i've been engaging with you, i.e. prove me wrong and why i am on the scummy side of wrong

Skit please do the same

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Yeah ali what does your read mean? I thought it was a readlist but if it's actually a "x-scum in {y, z} list could you explain how it works?

Pedit: 3 scum on wagon looks like overkill for a compromise so difficult to achieve

Independent of my own scumreads i think 2 scum were probably off

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Pooky I'll be interested to hear after the game why you think a vig that acts on N2 implies that a roleblocker that acts on odd nights would have to be disloyal.

I can only imagine he was BS’ing to eat the NK, as it makes absolutely no sense

I’ll have to review Day again but his more recent votes felt townie

Uh, why does a vig want to eat the nk?

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Mena you realize that you're literally selling propaganda now, right?

I'm trying to open my mind about town!you but you're not helping

We could talk about skitter though

[Farkran]

no one but farkran read this

Spoiler:

you're not scum are you? i'm starting to think you might be. :c

The answer to the question in the spoiler tags is no

Why do you ask?

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I mean i'd like to hear who here as scum wouldn't have killed pooky when by eod he was likely 1st or 2nd most popular townread and he claimed pr

But idc about today's pushes against me, i'm more worried about those people who pushed me *with* pooky yesterday, i.e. skitter

Menalque scumread came later and i think if there was a plan to kill pooky it must have born beforehand

Pedit: too many posts for my mobile ffs

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I agree norwee, now let's flip fark and find out if we are!

I actually want to flip Norwee instead this defense is really fucking weird.

If me/norwee were a team we would bus our sorry ass with reciprocated violence

And you should know that

Pedit: i very likely would kill pooky, the question is why does my name come up to mind as the most obvious compared to literally anyone else? I've been pushed since midday from pooky and a couple other people - up to that point i was actually townread by the majority of the town, it was only after my fight against skitter that people started reconsidering

For the worst reasons, because pooky's stances were still bad, as was his idea to softclaim

[Farkran]

who here as scum wouldn't have killed pooky

uh

me

Who would you kill as scum and why?

[Farkran]

interesting how some people are so committed to

avoiding

the narrative that fark killed pooky

It's equally interesting how people are selling that narrative as the only possible option when pooky was widely townread and a *claimed pr*

And how those people are exactly the two people i were scumreading yesterday

But as i said i want to hear from skitter first (and Day obv)

[Farkran]

idk lol but not pooky, skitter or luca

Think about it and answer me, please

[Farkran]

maybe isis or Ali

Why?

[Farkran]

I'm also really not okay with Fark just ignoring what Norwee is actually doing.

I'm barely keeping up with the postings and i think it's quite evident

Also pushing me as the most probable killer of pooky is quite superficial a stance to take and i'll say it again, the two people jumping on me are exactly the two people whom i was scumreading yesterday

If norwee was scum pocketing me i'd buy that a million times before buying this push

But as i said i want to hear from skitter and day first

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lol if ur not scum norwee then why do u sound exactly the way u always sound when ur scum?

I don't mate. And if you are town, why do you always suck so hard at reading me?

I don't like Farkran ignoring this either btw, i want him to take a solid position here.

My position rn is that i don't buy this push, and if you were scum you'd join them and not me because it doesn't make sense for scum!you to save me, you'd stay neutral and eventually adjust as my wagon grows, not wk me at day start

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the two people jumping on me are exactly the two people whom i was scumreading yesterday

which is... not what you'd expect? why is this meaningful?

It's meaningful if you are town

This is why i am asking questions

I am still having you and skit disaligned and i'm leaning red towards the other side now

Alisae is just out of place tbh and i can see skit/ali more than skit/mena

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I think it’s very likely one of Skitter/Norwee scum but unlikely both are, so that’s a good place to start

I agree with this on a theory level but tbh if norwee was scum today he would be trashing me, not doing this farce of a wk to, uh, gain what exactly?

Norwee spent the whole end of d1 positioning himself against me (yeah, i noticed that) but scum!he doesn't enter this day forgetting what he did after he kills pooky to frame me

If he is defending me it's because he's town

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I think it’s very likely one of Skitter/Norwee scum but unlikely both are, so that’s a good place to start

I agree with this on a theory level but tbh if norwee was scum today he would be trashing me, not doing this farce of a wk to, uh, gain what exactly?

Norwee spent the whole end of d1 positioning himself against me (yeah, i noticed that) but scum!he doesn't enter this day forgetting what he did after he kills pooky to frame me

If he is defending me it's because he's town

i'd agree with this, though i don't know that the Pooky kill was necessarily a purposeful frame given his claim.

The problem is not whether he has been killed to frame me or not, but the fact that scum!norwee would definitely say that it was or *at least* stay neutral and adjust later

And you too should know that if me and norwee were a team you would have seen blood

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i'm not sure why you have skitter as scum, Luca.

I talked a bit about it on D-1. I think her approach to the Penguin wagon was scummy

I’m about to go back to sleep so I’ll talk more about it later

Me too ftr + how she approached mena when he was about to be the compromise, when in the end she stayed off both wagons

And this is currently my main reason to reconsider mena

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I think it’s very likely one of Skitter/Norwee scum but unlikely both are, so that’s a good place to start

I agree with this on a theory level but tbh if norwee was scum today he would be trashing me, not doing this farce of a wk to, uh, gain what exactly?

Norwee spent the whole end of d1 positioning himself against me (yeah, i noticed that) but scum!he doesn't enter this day forgetting what he did after he kills pooky to frame me

If he is defending me it's because he's town

i'd agree with this, though i don't know that the Pooky kill was necessarily a purposeful frame given his claim.

The problem is not whether he has been killed to frame me or not, but the fact that scum!norwee would definitely say that it was or *at least* stay neutral and adjust later

And you too should know that if me and norwee were a team you would have seen blood

do you have other scumgames where you really went hard on a 1v1 with your partner? if you're referring to what i'm assuming you're referring to.

Nah, never fought with a scumpartner in the main thread, i'm always hearts and chocolate with them

(No but if this was a real question, all my games except isaac are still listed in my wiki and i ended up fighting with my partners even when i specifically tried *not to* to twist my scum meta. My very first scumgame on site has me winning because i bussed very well. The game with the mimes was a good sample of this too, but not as fierce. As for the part that you of all people would know this, well, we did in undertale and i did it in isaac where you were the host, so yeah you should definitely know my scum meta. Then ok, selfawareness and all, but you should also know the part where i *try* to defend my mates and then end up fighting against them anyways)

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No but seriously, you think i'm scum with Farkran or he is town?
Because if scum, why wouldn't you just keep voting Farkran? And if Fark is town, why would scum!me defend him?

This is an opportunistic as fuck, and dirty push for Mena to vote me instead of Farkran when he'd know i would defend Farkran pretty much regardless of my allignment here. But apparently he doesn't really believe in Farkran being scum after all.

First you ask why would scum!you defend Farkran, then you say Menalque should know you’d defend him regardless of alignment?

I do think this is disingenuous

Thoughts, Farkran?

It's a superficial level read if this is what you mean, but it's also not any more superficial than the other two pushing against me

The point still stands that scum!norwee doesn't take such a hard stance in my favor after he positioned himself to vote me *and* pooky dies. He has nothing to gain, everything to lose.

Also scum!norwee is very, VERY triggerhappy from what i recall.

[Farkran]

Wait, i didn't read the part where norwee says he'd defend me as either alignment

Wut?

[Farkran]

VOTE: skitter

I have a hard time believing you're this naive about your takes while being town

The fuck does it mean that you wouldn't lim the biggest supporter of your highest sr when he's a claimed pr, widely townread except by me and alisae and by killing him you can easily bank on everyone else's lhf-ing me

Also note that in eod you were posturing against pretty much everyone, keeping your options open but not pushing anything strongly. You were ready to compromise on both mena and pp and yet you enter the day pushing the surface level lhf and calling the wagon scummy when it took the whole duration of d1 to reach a compromise and i was one of the main antagonizers of that wagon ever since d1 start when suji was still the owner of the slot

Pedit: meh alisae i explained my position on lucy being town like a million times

Could vote alisae as well

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Fark you know that I'm not going to care until you lay everything you got on me in 1 singular post and show ur work

Nah i just don't like your personality in this game ever since your unvote on mena, that's so uncommon of you + a couple days later you were willing to vote anything that moves + you're also lhfing me today when you were townreading me up to d1 eod

Pedit: d1 i get to 5 votes from a wagon that had terrible motives for voting me. N1 the highest promoter of my wagon dies. D2 two people literally enter the day attacking me and your second post is a vote on me

But i'm not lhf. Ok, sure

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Pedit: d1 i get to 5 votes from a wagon that had terrible motives for voting me. N1 the highest promoter of my wagon dies. D2 two people literally enter the day attacking me and your second post is a vote on me

But i'm not lhf. Ok, sure

that's your takeaway from my response ...

Eh?

Yeah, that's the reason why town!you should realize i'm town instead of entering the day voting me, if that's what you were asking

No way in this world town!skit would overlook so many things, so often in a single game, sry. But i still thank you for inviting me to join! Rolling scum happens

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i should be realizing you're town because you're lhf? is that what you're arguing rn?

and the fact that i'm not means i'm scum?

I mean, this is what i am referring to

You're not trying to understand my position at all ever since i have been talking about lucy in d1, you're just looking for a reason for pushing me. I have laid out my thoughts for scumreading you, this post you quoted does not even mention my scumcase lol

Your position was naive on luca, lucy, pooky and me, every time when it was convenient of you to find a scumread to pursue without committing yourself to it in order to keep your options open + don't get discredited for mislims

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I feel worse about Farkran after 4362. It's very obvious why Pooky dying looks good for skitter and bad for Farkran, and for him to outright deny it means nothing at all is eh. I mean, it's fair to argue why it's a frame considering he was PR/widely townread, but arguing skitter would be naive to take this stance as town so she's probably scum is doubtful, it's the obvious take.

...I have been saying the exact same things you said here though? Ofc pooky dying makes skitter look good, that's why her take is naive?

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i should be realizing you're town because you're lhf? is that what you're arguing rn?

and the fact that i'm not means i'm scum?

I mean, this is what i am referring to

You're not trying to understand my position at all ever since i have been talking about lucy in d1, you're just looking for a reason for pushing me. I have laid out my thoughts for scumreading you, this post you quoted does not even mention my scumcase lol

Your position was naive on luca, lucy, pooky and me,

every time when it was convenient of you to find a scumread to pursue without committing yourself

to it in order to keep your options open + don't get discredited for mislims

1. Your positions seem very foreign and unnatural to me
2. i'm not sure why i need to be mentioning your scumcase here
3. i strongly disagree that my positions on any of those people were naive, and your'e creativing narratives for my votes that don't exist
4. You're leaning into luca's thing about penguin to claim that i'm 'keeping my options open without getting discredited for mislims' and i have a very, very, very hard time believing that you believe what luca's pushing right now. are you really trying to tell me that you think i was towneading penguin while secretly trying to get the wagon to go through in order to get the flip without getting the blame for it? i very much want an answer to this quesion
5. who is the bolded referring to?

1. Yours too, that's the point
2. I mean, you said that i scumread you just because you scumread me and forgot to mention everything else i said about why i scumread you
3. Eh, ok, i disagree, nothing much i can say here besides yeah they were very naive
4. I literally said i was onto you before luca even begun to post in d2
5. Around eod you started doubting your position on mena and pp - you were ready to compromise on anyone after making an immense fuss about mena being town, i can look for the post for you if you don't recall

Pedit: ok, but scum!skit (or anyone tbh) always kills a widely townread, claimed pr in this context and refusing to acknowledge that while pushing the lhf slot and ignoring anything else is very naive

Pooky is exactly the type of slot that you would *never* be able to remove via mislim and you don't want to ever bring to elo

[Farkran]

like if my plan for today is to push fark killing the guy who was pushing him yesterday who also was townreading me to that extent kinda puts a wrench in that plan,no?

it's not even about me looking good or anything it's like fark is saying i came into today looking to push him but why would i shoot myself in the foot overnight if that's what i'm trying to do as scum

In what universe do you bring a pretty much conftown PR to elo omg

What kind of player does that

[Farkran]

Bah, i don't know what to say anymore

I would ask you to show the games where you bring an unknown hardtownread PR to elo but i don't even care, it's not a plausible thought to base your push against someone on that

2 am, i'm going to bed, your call

Pedit: you started posturing against everyone by d1 eod and that's not a thing luca said *before* i pointed it out

Pedit2: i could if you need to, but it's there in skitter's iso around when she started talking about compromise, i think you can easily find it by looking for "compromise" in the word search, otherwise i'll get back tomorrow

[Farkran]

honestly i still kinda want day ngl

I'm kinda struggling to have s confident read on fark tbh

It's wrong because I'm town and Ydra is town.
SS is scum tho

I think ali is (probably?) town but i strongly dislike eir readalist on the prior page to the point i makes me wonder how ey're even approaching this thread

I'm almost at the point where i'm willing to compromise on mena (sorry)

i want to vote lucy again fwiw as well

{chara, fark, lucy} rn for me ig

for penguin: his meme/fluffpost - to - real - content ratio is a bit higher than i would like, but i think he's being purposeful with his vote which i associate with town-him day1

he doesn't *quite* fit the model i have in my head of town-penguin, tbf, but i think that a lot of those differences can be explained by the fact taht he joined the game mid-day1, and that i'd have a better sense for his alignment tomorrow

the few things that are off about him are not nearly enough to warrant a flip today

I remembered a stronger stance from skitter wrt being willing to flip pp but the post i was referring to was the one about menalque (3642), she never said it about pp even if she clearly left the door open, actually way more open than how she defended menalque back in the midphase of the day

Also, not everyone but pretty close, by eod she postured to make half of the plist a valid lim option *with motives* instead of just saying "i don't want them but they're ok as a compromise". Pretty sure she said something about norwee too, but if i couldn't find the quote

Now i'm going for real

[Farkran]

i mean from my pov should i be townreading you?

and why is that a 'smidge'?

and why should i be townreading him? he's pushing things that are either objectively ignoring reality, or are convenient to say but are not in line with how i actually play, or in line with things that actually happened

You're the one conveniently ignoring reality though

All the things i have said are true and demonstrated by facts

All the theories you said to be "not in line with how you play" are beyond the credibility level of naive


How can you say you scumread lucy for 1800 or do not kill pooky in this context and get townread out of it is beyond me

How is this not aligned with reality ffs

[Farkran]

i. did. not. leave. the. door. open. for. penguin.

it's convenient for you to say that i did, but none of those posts support that position

you're also taking a variety of posts from a longish period of time as compared to how quickly the game was moving in order to make it look like i was into more people than i actually was at eod. i'm p confident that if you did the same for most players in the game you'd find similar changing of minds.
you're calling it scummy because it's convenient, not because it actually is

Yes you did leave the door open omg, how is "he doesn't fit my town expectations" a closed door, like, what's your definition of a closed door when you yourself fought against menalque elimination so hard that you got townread out of it

And then you say you're willing to compromise on him

Please tell me

Also the first post in my blockquote is less than 24 hours earlier than the last, how is it a "longish period"

Why the fuck am i on the unreal side of things when i am quoting facts that happened?

[Farkran]

Your reads were all over the place in a span of less than 10 pages worth of content in a game that had 170 total, within less than 24 hours real time

That's nowhere near a natural change of mind

[Farkran]

Yes you did leave the door open omg, how is "he doesn't fit my town expectations" a closed door, like, what's your definition of a closed door when you yourself fought against menalque elimination so hard that you got townread out of it

Plz quote the post you're citing here

I already did in the blockquote above

Literally your words

[Farkran]

he doesn't *quite* fit the model i have in my head of town-penguin, tbf, but i think that a lot of those differences can be explained by the fact taht he joined the game mid-day1, and that i'd have a better sense for his alignment tomorrow

I didn't even paraphrase your sentence that much

[Farkran]

for penguin: his meme/fluffpost - to - real - content ratio is a bit higher than i would like, but i think he's being purposeful with his vote which i associate with town-him day1

he doesn't *quite* fit the model i have in my head of town-penguin, tbf, but i think that a lot of those differences can be explained by the fact taht he joined the game mid-day1, and that i'd have a better sense for his alignment tomorrow

the few things that are off about him are not nearly enough to warrant a flip today

Like are you referring to this post? Because if you're takeaway is that i'm saying i'm willing to vote him because i dont think he looks like town-him, you're reading it wrong

Especially since i say: i townread him
And: i am not interested in flipping him

Ok

How is this not an open door when you were ready to compromise on menalque which you had just defended claws and teeth during midphase

I mean it's pretty clear that you're adjusting your own vague words as they are convenient for you and not me adjusting them to my conveniency

If it happened once i would be ok (i.e. what you did with luca way back in d1) but this is like the 4th time you used an hyperbolic tone when talking about your past messages where you said completely different things that what you want them to sound *now*

I can't believe this comes from town, i'll repeat once again, there's no way town!you would be this naive about lucy, day's claim and the pooky kill

Pedit: yeah, you wouldn't vote him because you knew it would make you look bad, but the point is that you were *ready* to, and it's mostly because of you that the day dragged on so long as to force people on a town mislim compromise, if you wanted to flip a *true* scumread of yours all you had to do was vote me

But you didn't because you knew i'd flip town

[Farkran]

Fark if i'm town and was townreading penguin and didnt want to vote him how should i have said that

You would have pushed a scumread hoping they would flip scum, i.e. me or lucy, probably me because i have been viable while lucy not really

pedit: i am literally backing up every point i am making with posts of yours? I mean the problem here is that you aren't admitting that your posts say what they actually say, and you're asking others to reinterpret them in a way that doesn't make them scummy, but they are - you did position yourself ready to vote (almost) anyone during d1 eod, i don't think there is a way to interpret that differently when you talk about vague percentages (which i already quoted)

I would ask how scum!you would position to mislim but then you say scum!you wouldn't kill a conftown claimed pr so yeah you're not leaving a lot of ground for communication here

Also it's been like 60 pages that my posts aren't being read or somehow are being interpreted as if i'm saying impossible things when in fact there are other people interpreting your words the same way as i did (and not *before* i did - again, a convenient way to say i'm sheeping your townreads when in fact i have been the first proposing this interpretation)

[Farkran]

I have been a viable wagon yesterday and tbh i admit that if you were pushing me i would get mad because that wagon was and is on the scummy side of bullshitty about my positions, but it was there and i think that town!you would have pushed that when it was time. One thing that town!you wouldn't have done is doubling down your push against me because pooky died because that's a bad push and that one is definitely not in good faith from your part

[Farkran]

I forgot to say, but i'm also ok letting other people speak, i'll take a break and see how things develop

[Farkran]

To reiterate and for the sake of transparency:

I'm saying that town!skitter stayed off wagon on purpose without A) actually committing to any of her "scumreads" B) positioning herself to vote pretty much anywhere during d1 eod, making sure she wouldn't look bad with vague reads

But more importantly C) Your push on me today cannot change/strengthen based on the fact that pooky die because everyone would have killed pooky and there's no way you wouldn't admit that. If you had doubts on your scumread of me yesterday (and you had, it's in my blockquote), you would have had doubts today as well

[Farkran]

I feel like Alisae Skitter could be alligned. And Mena got pocketed by Skitter because they defended them when E-1.

Yeah i'm pretty much literally there.

[Farkran]

Third is more difficult. But if i cross off Fark/Luca/Chara/Lucy/Day
I’m left with Ydrasse/S_S

Wouldn't cross off chara, actually my best guess would be ydrasse or chara even if i really don't want either to be. Chara is god-level good at being scum.

[Farkran]

I would have wanted the pocket. It makes dayplay like twelve times easier

And, again, if my plan is to push fark today killing the guy who was adamantly scumreading him just removes one of the easy fark-votes ...

By the way, this is not how it works

1. you don't know what pooky's role was, could have been a soft investigative who would *likely* clear your push since i was his highest sr
2. if you kill a player who scumreads you, chances are that the nka points against you. This is the wifom part, but the point is that you never strengthen your push based on a pooky kill last night. The most you can draw out of that is that fark is still plausible as scum from your pov, you don't doubledown on your read based on this nka.

[Farkran]

I'm kinda struggling to have s confident read on fark tbh

thanks. if it helps i'm not explicitly scumreading you, ig i just don't find your vibes townie enough to keep you out of the limpool, if that makes sense

you are a very nice player, i thought this while i was frustrated with you in FL vs. Hectic as well, thank you for being nice to have in games.

i try

i'm still feeling a little bit lost about what to do tho

mena i still think you're town fairly strongly but we're kinda close to needing a flip and you're the likeliest to happen tbh

this is dumb and u should do better

i mean what do you want from me at this point ...

I believe this summarizes pretty well how strong your scumread of me was during mid-to-late d1, compared to:

VOTE: skitter

I have a hard time believing you're this naive about your takes while being town

The fuck does it mean that you wouldn't lim the biggest supporter of your highest sr when he's a claimed pr, widely townread except by me and alisae and by killing him you can easily bank on everyone else's lhf-ing me

Also note that in eod you were posturing against pretty much everyone, keeping your options open but not pushing anything strongly.

You were ready to compromise on both mena and pp

and yet you enter the day pushing the surface level lhf and calling the wagon scummy when it took the whole duration of d1 to reach a compromise and i was one of the main antagonizers of that wagon ever since d1 start when suji was still the owner of the slot

Pedit: meh alisae i explained my position on lucy being town like a million times

Could vote alisae as well

nope, i don't believe this is a real read you have, sorry
VOTE: fark for emphasis

don't know what the bolded means
italics: i. was. not. willing. to. compromise. on. penguin.
where on earth this narrative came from is beyond me but i challenge literally anybody to find any semblance of backing to that narrative because i was not

characterizing yourself as lhf is an interesting take, but alright

Note that skitter was already voting me earlier in d2, this is just the emphasis vote.

[Farkran]

this game is hard, i feel like i have reasons to townread nearly everyone, but we need to flip someone.

i am willing to compromise on mena (under noted protest)
i think fark could be scummy
i could probably vote chara or nor or lucy as well

the people i absolutely woudln't vote ever are: pooky, ss, luca, penguin
probably wouldn't vote ydrasse or day or ali as well unless literally forced to because of the deadline

it would be helpful if everyone laid something similar out so that we know what our options are

This is also a post that i overlooked yesterday but it reinforces my feeling that your menalque wk midday was a farce

How is it that menalque suddenly became less towny than pp exactly at the time pp was being runned up

It's like you don't want to be on any wagon that you know will flip town at the moment they are being close to flip, but keeping doors open to hammer anything if you need to

[Farkran]

I side with skitter on almost every point of that argument and can sense bad faith coming from Farkran... which makes me very sad. Luca is making the best points here from Farkran's side (regarding skitter not trying to push alternatives to Pengo and instead vanity voting Lucy), and he's not even part of the 1v1.

Does it make Farkran scum if I completely disagree with his reasoning and push... maybe. The pocket's so deep that I still want to believe that he's just very, very tunneled for whatever reason and can't see otherwise. He knows 'm giving him no town points for being stubborn.

'll post some hard hitting questions for you when 'm not phoneposting, Farkran. Want to get to the bottom of this.

Oh, for now: Why don't you think

town!skitter

argues she never kills Pooky? It's beneficial for her as either alignment to state that, and she probably hasn't given nightkills much thought as town, so why's it scummy even if it's hyperbolic?

I mean it saddens me too to be scumread more when i am town than when i am scum, but i guess it does make sense since i have more enemies than allies (people that know i am an enemy and people that don't know i am an ally)

I am not arguing in bad faith at all. I think skitter is scum. I think her statements and stances are formed with the purpose of limming people without looking bad for it.

As for your question, it is a bit loaded since i think town!skitter would never do that? Like, my problem with her is that she's using hyperbolics to validate a push against a player who was already under attack (i.e. lhf) in contrast with her previous stance that she didn't know what to do with me (i.e. not having a clear read).

Town!skitter has no benefit using hyperbolics instead of trying to understand my pov here, whereas she hadn't shown any attempt to do that ever since yesterday therefore i think it's a terrible push.

But more importantly, this isn't the only (or main) reason i'm pushing her today, i've been casing her at length and there are at least 2 people agreeing that my stances make sense so i don't know why she keeps insisting that they don't (= using hyperbolics) instead of sorting the situation (= what town!her would benefit most from)

[Farkran]

this game is hard, i feel like i have reasons to townread nearly everyone, but we need to flip someone.

i am willing to compromise on mena (under noted protest)
i think fark could be scummy
i could probably vote chara or nor or lucy as well

the people i absolutely woudln't vote ever are: pooky, ss, luca, penguin
probably wouldn't vote ydrasse or day or ali as well unless literally forced to because of the deadline

it would be helpful if everyone laid something similar out so that we know what our options are

This is also a post that i overlooked yesterday but it reinforces my feeling that your menalque wk midday was a farce

How is it that menalque suddenly became less towny than pp exactly at the time pp was being runned up

It's like you don't want to be on any wagon that you know will flip town at the moment they are being close to flip, but keeping doors open to hammer anything if you need to

I think those tiers are being made with surrounding votes and context in mind. As I understand it, Mene would be I'm the "would never vote" category if not for the fact he had 3 votes and interest to be voted by others.

^Is this correct, skitter?

I know you are talking to skitter, but i feel the need to correct you here because pp was the highest wagon at the moment of my quoted post, so it isn't technically correct to say that she would vote menalque as a compromise when the ongoing compromise was pp (highest wagon)

i.e. at this point in time, skitter townreads pp more than she townreads menalque (= nonsensical progression)

[Farkran]

What assistance do you require?

~~~

Fark, how many votes was Pengo on at the time of that skitter compromise post?

Would have to check but i'm fairly certain he was at least equal if not higher than mena, the second mena wagon died very early and never reached more than 4 iirc

Also i think i was also at 3 or 4 votes *without* the vote from skitter

[Farkran]

What assistance do you require?

~~~

Fark, how many votes was Pengo on at the time of that skitter compromise post?

Would have to check but i'm fairly certain he was at least equal if not higher than mena, the second mena wagon died very early and never reached more than 4 iirc

Also i think i was also at 3 or 4 votes *without* the vote from skitter

Like without parsing all the pages i can see VCs 3661 and 3991 going from

4 votes on mena, 2 votes on me, 0 on pp
To
3 votes on me, 3 on mena, 2 on pp

Skitter moved from me to lucy in-between those two wagons

I'm not sure if my statement about pp being higher was correct, but he was being talked about a lot at the very least

[Farkran]

I don't know what else to say about my arguments, i feel like i have laid out everything as clear as i could.

I have read that you think i'm being wordy on purpose, i assure you that i am not.

I explained my positions thoroughly because i feel like my posts aren't being read by the people i pushed.

Like, even if you (luca and day) say that you disagree with my takes, you have shown more than once that you have read and tried to understand my pov. You have tried to sort me.

People who are currently pushing me did never do anything like that, they just say that i'm lying/bad faith/nonsensical with the most surface level and naive analysis of the gamestate.

[Farkran]

I'm kinda struggling to have s confident read on fark tbh

thanks. if it helps i'm not explicitly scumreading you, ig i just don't find your vibes townie enough to keep you out of the limpool, if that makes sense

you are a very nice player, i thought this while i was frustrated with you in FL vs. Hectic as well, thank you for being nice to have in games.

i try

i'm still feeling a little bit lost about what to do tho

mena i still think you're town fairly strongly but we're kinda close to needing a flip and you're the likeliest to happen tbh

this is dumb and u should do better

i mean what do you want from me at this point ...

I believe this summarizes pretty well how strong your scumread of me was during mid-to-late d1, compared to:

VOTE: skitter

I have a hard time believing you're this naive about your takes while being town

The fuck does it mean that you wouldn't lim the biggest supporter of your highest sr when he's a claimed pr, widely townread except by me and alisae and by killing him you can easily bank on everyone else's lhf-ing me

Also note that in eod you were posturing against pretty much everyone, keeping your options open but not pushing anything strongly.

You were ready to compromise on both mena and pp

and yet you enter the day pushing the surface level lhf and calling the wagon scummy when it took the whole duration of d1 to reach a compromise and i was one of the main antagonizers of that wagon ever since d1 start when suji was still the owner of the slot

Pedit: meh alisae i explained my position on lucy being town like a million times

Could vote alisae as well

nope, i don't believe this is a real read you have, sorry
VOTE: fark for emphasis

don't know what the bolded means
italics: i. was. not. willing. to. compromise. on. penguin.
where on earth this narrative came from is beyond me but i challenge literally anybody to find any semblance of backing to that narrative because i was not

characterizing yourself as lhf is an interesting take, but alright

Note that skitter was already voting me earlier in d2, this is just the emphasis vote.

@Day

[Farkran]

I assume 4344 and 4346 as a single post, the only thing that's missing from 4344 is the vote

She never explicitly say that the death of pooky strengthens her scumread, but it's pretty clear that it did since she immediately votes me alongside the the two people who were already banking on that

Pedit how was i not viable when i had the same votes as menalque during eod1...

[Farkran]

VOTE: alisae

[Farkran]

I'm caught up, wanted to say something but basically not much has changed since my last posts

Luca summarized all the points i had to say about skitter, probably better than how i could've worded them

My solve rn is skitter+alisae, third one could still be ydrasse or chara but that push from ss is also kinda poor? Despite not wanting to, i feel like i definitely got passionate in this game and by now everyone knows it's not town-indicative for me, so i wonder why -even if it isn't true- i get to be pushed for *not* being passionate?

I mean of course i try to be reasonable. I do my best to be reasonable. And i often fail at that. How is it ai?

[Farkran]

Yep, so I don't mind being wrong on Fark and seeing what happens.
Fark flipping town is also pretty helpful for reading the game.

I do have one thing to say about alisae though

The same reasoning applied to skitter could be applied to er as well, considering that this is er current stance and i believe there is no reason to change/strengthen it based on nka

I think i would have been a valuable info lim yesterday as well given that i has 1v1s with pooky and skitter (and to some extent menalque) yet ali never considered voting me. Now i'm er highest scumread but i'm also a high value info lim to er

What do you get from my town flip ali? Who is scum if i am town?

[Farkran]

Norwee/Luca/Day still to the pinnacle of towniness to me

Scum!norwee would have trashed me a million times by now regardless

Day and Luca are pretty much the only two slots that are actually trying to solve rather than pushing onesided lims, if they're scum i'm ok eating the loss (hint: they are town)

Menalque could still be scum, but i feel more strongly about skitter rn. Actually i might have been wrong in disaligning them because of bussing mechanics - skitter is way more unpredictable than i expected her to be, if that midday wk was a farce it wouldn't be outside of the plausible realm to have a mena/skit team

I mean i think mena would "pocket" skitter as either alignment and in any team so it's not ai nor associative for him - skitter maybe just doesn't want to bus there given how many available wagons there were by midphase d1? I mean i'm still trying to understand why she didn't defend pp with the same passion she used for menalque, there were still more than 24 hours left which i believe is enough time for town!skitter's standards

She also didn't push for her scumreads anywhere as fiercely in both circumstances - all she did is basically push Lucy who was townread by 10 players out of 13 iirc

[Farkran]

Chara would you vote alisae with us if you townread skitter atm?

Also why do you townread skitter again? I mean from on your 4716 you seem to be metareading her as town based on a lack of "elegance" but wouldn't you agree that this behavior is scummy in a meta vacuum?

[Farkran]

@skitt who do u think you’d have killed

Luca or day

I don't believe this for the record

Day has been close to being a viable lim even post-claim, pp was limmed calling Day scum *and* was on pp wagon

I also agree with who said that Day's power kinda sucks until there's exactly 1 scum left who could be ascetic or ninja or strongman or something like that, i.e. yeah Day barely count as a power role, he's more akin to named town whereas pooky could be anything from protective to investigative

Moreover, from scum!skitter pov, town!Day is a perfectly viable mislim and pooky dying also removes resistance against wagoning Day - this doesn't *reinforce* the fact, but it is compatible with how scum!skitter would plan future developments

I don't believe that skitter kills Day over pooky as scum

[Farkran]

I'm still fine voting skitter, i can see them being in a team anyways

Both have been soft defending each other while at the same time skitter disliked alisae stances multiple times, could go find the posts if needed but i clearly recall skitt saying "alisae's takes sucks but e's still town" multiple times yet never committed to push her.

Thinking about it i can see scum!skit/town!ali more than viceversa IF they are tvs. I doubt t/t is an option in this scenario

Also i hate how menalque gets away while betting the entire game on skitter being town ignoring all the most obvious facts and having literally zero solve attempts throughout the whole game but ok, i am over arguing about it, i'm just reminding everyone that his posts are pretty much entirely manipulative bullshit until he stops doing that or becomes viable as a lim

SS might be valid but i had him as town before this push and i'd like to hear his pov more detailed

Pedit how am i buddying luca lol, i townread luca and i have done literally nothing to pocket him, i think i have played with luca once maybe? And he was scum repping out by n1

[Farkran]

On a unrelated note, i think ydrasse is town and i have mistakenly poed her based on wrong assumptions. Lucy still town, i believe she has sincere doubts about me vs skitter in this context and was towny for the entirety of d1

Btw the kill doesn't incriminate skitter at all, the kill matters literally nothing imo. It's how people are positioning around the kill that worries me

Pedit: YDRASSE ACTUALLY READS MY MIND <3 I LOVE YOU SO MUCH! I DIDN'T EXPECT THAT! I wrote this post BEFORE ydrasse posted

I won't fail you, i promise

[Farkran]

Congrats on the new job

I was just about to make a post saying I think the gamestate (as I understand it) implies you’re Town

Luca, Day, Chara, Farkran, Norwee, Menalque Town. Maybe Lucy? But not so confident rn

Scum in Skitter, SS, Ydrasse, Lucy, Ali

Day, Norwee, Farkran, do you agree with these reads?

Would be good if we could create some unity

Not entirely convinced about menalque, but i can postpone my doubts for later and look for the other 2 scum if this is the case

Lucy i think is town, her take on me is on the wrong side but not scummy side of wrong - if she wanted to push me because she sees me as lhf she would have sided w/ skit yesterday not the other way around

Ydrasse i mean maybe, but she's never gone below the null line tbh, the only reason i had her as potential scum is because of a potential poe that i'm revisiting significantly

SS i wanna hear from him again

Do you townread Chara enough to place it outside of the list? I'd place it alongside ydrasse rn, its posts about alisae are solid but also somewhat convenient if ali is town and skitter is scum + d1 behavior wasn't pristine especially around Day

[Farkran]

SS could you explain why you're voting me today? Your scumcase was kinda vague considering that it didn't look you were disagreeing with me/luca wrt skitter + you said i am not being passionate in 4705 but i feel like i am, and if anything that's probably more scum indicative from me than it is town + yesterday you didn't move your vote at all so you must have some valid reasons for doing so today?

Pedit we'll play t/t in another game ali, next time you should pocket me though, it works better. Pops knows it works better

[Farkran]

@Farkran

Chara just feels townie to me, but I recall someone saying they’re a really top scum player so who knows

On second thoughts I think I would put them on a similar level to Ydrasse as you suggest

Well that was me calling it a godlevel scumplayer lol

It really is, i don't think i'll be able to overcome the paranoia beyond a certain extent but ok for now

[Farkran]

Seriously?

Yes it's just fark.
None of the events in this day make sense otherwise.
no way I'm the counterwagon to a town!Fark
absolutely no way, I'll take the L if I am.

Which events exactly, besides the death of pooky?

[Farkran]

Ya no fuck it.
I'm a day 3 IC

Really?

Also: ali is p townie and its gross that eir being wagoned as a counter to fark who has basically started letting luca make the counterpushes/defense for him

This is not true, i posted against you before he even chimed in today

Pedit scum!skitter always align with you against me and refusing to acknowledge that is very meh for town!you and you're saying that Lucy must be aligned with skit to vote me? What? Also mena votes me 100% of the times as scum just to side with skitter, i'm nowhere near influential as she is even if she's town

Your reasons to vote me are bad :\

[Farkran]

Above is @ali

[Farkran]

Fuck even unwanted pagetops work against me

[Farkran]

Pedit we'll play t/t in another game ali, next time you should pocket me though, it works better. Pops knows it works better

Is this implying you think Ali's scum based on claiming day 3 IC?

Did e claim d3 IC for real? I cannot keep up with the posts, give me a min

[Farkran]

if ur right on Skitter being scum then Fark always flips town but if Fark was town then there wouldn't be a need to counterwagon me.

I mean the counterwagon is my doing basically since I asked Fark and Norwee to join me, I don't know if that says a lot on Fark's alignment

Oh ya why wouldn't Fark and Norwee want to save their teammate by voting me

For the same reason why you and skitter are pushing me lol

What kind of reasoning is that? You seem to push strongly to flip me before skitter when actually from your pov we should have the exact same value if you think we're tvs, so please explain why you have so strong confidence in me being the s and not the other way around?

Also norwee was never in danger, he got like 3 votes tops yesterday? And today he got like 2

[Farkran]

SS could you explain why you're voting me today? Your scumcase was kinda vague considering that it didn't look you were disagreeing with me/luca wrt skitter + you said i am not being passionate in 4705 but i feel like i am, and if anything that's probably more scum indicative from me than it is town + yesterday you didn't move your vote at all so you must have some valid reasons for doing so today?

Well, I have a reason. Can't promise that it's valid. But you remember the game we played together, right? I was ripping into you for pushing bad reasoning and you fought back really strongly and aggressively. You aren't doing that here.

Eh i mean, i can see where you come from, but in actuality after that game i have been renowned to display even more passion as scum than i do as town and there are at least 2 people in this game who know that

But ultimately i'd say my aggressivity levels are nai, i am aggressive as town too, depends on how people go against me.

Besides, is this enough to make you move your vote? Why didn't you do that during d1?

Pedit: note that i stopped reading the pedits while i write because too many and im from mobile

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idunno it feels impossible to get 1 more vote onto Fark and that makes me think 2-3 scum on my wagon, the votes that did move are probably the villager ones which means the last one is Chara?

So uh, i am scum because i can't get more than 4 votes

You also never got more than 4, this makes us partners

Skitter never got more than 3, this makes her superscum we should be afraid of the boss mate

[Farkran]

I need to make pasta, i'm 40 minutes late and i'm going to be flipped irl if i don't

Anyways, ali is scum with skitter

Pedit day you're wrong

See you later

[Farkran]

scumteam 48 hours to ask for redactions

Free

[Farkran]

This setup is impressively close to balanced

Probably is if u remove UB or TA

UB is fine imo but i agree with removing TA

[Farkran]

"this is incredibly close to balanced. Remove the TA and it's balanced".

How the heck do you value roles? Do you realize a traffic analyst is a lazy sane cop with like 15% misses? That's a massive role

Yeah i mean it's too townsided, at least gate it more

[Farkran]

Farkran pocketed me it was so ruthlis

You voted me d2 i hate u

My pocket was better than a 5* hotel

[Farkran]

Yep GG everyone anyways, town was good. Scum could've done better but ultimately i think we did our job mostly ok, PRs didn't change the game *that* much despite having a setup generally townsided, so town simply did better than us and deserves this victory

Rematch next time <3

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Well menalque would have died if it wasn't because of skitter and mena himself (both VTs), maybe PP would have been a more viable mislim than me d2, game would have been different.

Still townsided, but not landslidically so in this istance of the setup. Maybe if you repeat it 1000 times, new interactions would arise, but o'd say it wasn't miles away from being balanced. Just a few meters

(is landslidically a word? If not, make it so)

[Farkran]

Hey this pl was super super awesome and i'd love to play with you all again - i just inned for jingle's fakeclaim mafia in the mini theme queue if anyone is interested!

I also inned this ftr so people who hate me can dodge it trolol

Norwee, i pocketed you with all my might. I actually wanted to pocket only you and alisae in this game, the others just happened

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you responded to my hard defense by saying me and all my hard townreads were scum together and you had the entire game solved for sure and it was just such a comically bad take that I couldn't really continue talking to you after that without hard tilting

I also wrote a phd dissertation explaining why fark had to be scum and you just ignored it so lol

Sad thing is that if you explained it as "idk, gutping" people would probably sheep you more :>

I hate when that happens to me lol

Pedit: yeah day betrayed me, but it's kinda my fault

[Farkran]

Now outside of a scum world where my job is to argue in bad faith, i don't think it is completely implausible that scum!skit kills pooky. He was widely townread and a claimed pr after all, despite having him hardpocketed. Depends a lot on her partners, i.e. if me and skitter were scum, pooky is always the kill

[Farkran]

Fark's first impression was good until things started going wrong for him (When I unvoted Mena).

Yes

Sadge

[Farkran]

Now we know it's not 65 or 56 because otherwise both numbers would be included

[Farkran]

I *almost* had you all for myself

</3

[Farkran]

oh I love you so much I could eat you up

There's a lot to eat you know

I'm bad for your diet. But i do taste good

[Farkran]

Sounds like a good deal to me