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Post #2974 (isolation #200) » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:52 am
Postby Farkran »
In post 2973, skitter30 wrote:But i was just saying i wouldnt scumread him for having differing reads than me?
I'm not sure where the wires are getting crossed here
Yeah that's the point
I don't think what you said is true, but i also think you do not realize that it isn't true - i'm not saying you lied, i'm saying your perception of your playstyle is not exact and it is noticeable from the outside
In post 2746, Farkran wrote:it makes sense for scum!pooky not to oppose town!skitter regardless of mena alignment - i mean, pooky has been arfing at skitter's feet ever since page 5 or something, it would have been an immense scumtell if he went against her to vote town!mena, and if mena is scum all the better for him
like this isnt even about skitter scumreading me
he is saying it is a scum tell for me to vote/push skitters townreads
something which is objectively untrue.
By the way, it's actually the opposite
I think it is a scumtell for you that all your reads have been aligning with skitter's even when she herself later admitted they weren't the best takes available
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Post #2984 (isolation #202) » Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:04 am
Postby Farkran »
In post 2978, skitter30 wrote:Either way i dont think its inherently a scumtell for pooky to have differing reads than me
Pedit i'm not sure i admitted that?
Also i'm not sure all of his reads are aligned with mine
Look at the vote log
Also didn't you admit that your take on lucy was over the top given the circumstances?
Anyways, this has little to do with you now skit, more with the fact that pooky's takes are bad, but they have always been bad in a way that makes him look aligned to the most charismatic part of the town
Bah, while i was writing this i thought it would have been more important but it actually isn't
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Post #3001 (isolation #208) » Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:52 am
Postby Farkran »
Yet somehow fark/lucy is still your solve based on 2908 and your case on her is literally and simultaneously
1. Identical to what skitter said
2. Wrong in the worst possible way and while skitter being mad may not realize it, you chose to dive head-on against lucy with a cool mind
3. This is especially funny because you say you townread menalque and have defended yourself with the "if i was scum i would have let him die" but somehow lucy switching from a e-1 wagon to a 0 wagon against skitter is scummy
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Post #3009 (isolation #211) » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:07 am
Postby Farkran »
In post 3007, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:because Luca unvoted so the mena quick-elim was untenable to push for at that point.
momentum shifted on the slot. there was as window where you/lucy were almost pushing the mena elim thru when mena was at e1 and both of you were pressuring for votes
And you seriously believe the best course of action for the lucy/fark scumteam in that situation is starting a new wagon against skitter?
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Post #3016 (isolation #212) » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:15 am
Postby Farkran »
Is pooky really a player who cannot display fake aggressiveness as scum, or do you really think his takes are towny?
Because i could understand the first option but the second is beyond me and i don't know what to do if that's the case
Pedit: how the fuck can you see scum motivation in switching to a new wagon against skitter. Like seriously how. That wagon had almost literally no chances to go through compared to pretty much anybody else on board except maybe luca
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Post #3023 (isolation #215) » Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:23 am
Postby Farkran »
In post 3021, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:me shitposting with penguin is irrelevant to our conversation
me flirting with skitter is irrelevant to this conversation
most of my 400 posts have nothing to do with this conversation we are having now
but what is going on in this conversation is you throwing bs point after bs point at me
me objectively showing your point is a lie/misrep/fallacy just on its face and then you ignoring my rebuttal and making up another bs point
i am talking about our conversation right now
my 400 other posts about other shit is completely irrelevant
You realize there are 3 pooky posts for every 1 farkran post in this very page, right?
In post 2868, Luca Blight wrote:My theory was that Day mentioned a crumb in the scum pt and Norwee forgot it wasn’t mentioned in the game
I do think Norwee/Day makes sense regardless
I think you're wrong here, but i'm open to hear your reasoning
Wrt day though i don't think it count as a crumb but that not's the point - scum!day has little reason to fakeclaim that role so it's probably true. Maybe scum!day makes up the disloyal part, but everything else is very likely part of his true role
I don't think this is scum!day though and norwee is still town to me, tell me why i am wrong
ig i'm kinda ambivalent about the claim being true or not but you seem to be implying that because it's true he's town? i'm not following that part
I think Day trueclaimed and it makes much more sense that he's town with that claim
I assumed you would only learn stuff like "you know there is a roleblocker", not a 9-shot odd non-consecutive disloyal imperative suburban roleblocker of eternal destruction
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Post #3072 (isolation #219) » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:22 pm
Postby Farkran »
Ah, nvm that makes sense
It's still quite a spicy claim to make imo, the disloyal part looks like overkill for a fakeclaim? I mean out of all the modifiers you could add to a made up role i don't think you would pick that
In post 3069, PenguinPower wrote:Further - you could be informed that there are no roleblockers or rolecops and then fake claim and ask to be rolecopped.
The discussion so far seems more geared towards: "guilty until proven innocent" than "innocent until proven guilty. Regardibg Day, which is not how a PR claim should be treated day 1.
I don't understand why the menalque wagon died in the first place and i disliked ali unvoting on there
Like e's still the trigger-happy alisae i love but somehow only against town
just show me im wrong and i adjust
im good at that
Why unvoting mena but join on day and norwee
cuz those 2 seem more like scum than mena? didn't like day putting mena and skitter low in their reads and they feel like they're keeping me at arm's reach
norwee feels similar and his agenda is starting to show. also his logic sucks but his logic always sucks
Mena is scummy though so why is it scummy for norwee and day to vote scum
I mean if you see an agenda show me the agenda and how does it work
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Post #3282 (isolation #230) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:54 am
Postby Farkran »
In post 3280, NorwegianboyEE wrote:That moment when you’re scumread for agenda and the person in question doesn’t even know what the supposed agenda is because nobody will tell him.
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Post #3287 (isolation #232) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:04 am
Postby Farkran »
To reiterate my point, the wagon isn't garbage because i think day's town (i still do), but because most of the people on the wagon do not really believe that day is scum
Pedit: this isn't about you luca, this is about mena and alisae mostly
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Post #3292 (isolation #233) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:52 am
Postby Farkran »
In post 3288, Luca Blight wrote:Can you at least address my reasoning and say why you disagree with me
Wrt Day you mean?
Before the claim, think the multipost readlist he gave around page 1000 is extremely towny and it fits a player profile who stands back in the beginning and let other people speak then producing relevant conclusions that aren't foggy or aligned to the game flow. I believe scum would either attempt to take the lead and then produce solid reads which however are made with the purpose of manipulating the gamestate thanks to your leading position OR scum would lurk away and when asked to produce reads they are vague and mostly aligned to what other players just said.
Post-claim, i have already said how i think he trueclaimed and i believe the disloyal modifier doesn't come from scum in his case, it is a unnecessary risk to take and i strongly believe it doesn't come from informed scum.
In post 2418, Day wrote:This game is so entertaining, I had way too much fun catching up on all that. I was starting to think I might've been the crazy one and the legendary 1800 was actually scummy when all of skitter/Pooky/Chara were vehemently against me, so it's relieving to see Farkran/Norwee/Luca come in and mirror essentially everything I was thinking on the matter. The way the factions have developed in this game are really fascinating, this is most interesting day 1 've been in for ages.
skitter's venting I actually find pretty towny, in that her exasperation indicates she truly does believe in the arguments she's making, so if she's scum, she thinks she's actually completely in the right here, or she's just town. Farkran is obvtown. Luca is still obvtown. Norwee still town and the mind melding helps a lot. Pooky 'm not as sure on but pushing and calling Fark scum probably doesn't have much scum motivation there even if I completely disagree with the reasoning? I townread him less than I did before though. I don't hate Luca's take that it's a TvTvTvT. skitter being the least confident because that's a recent change in heart and the rest of the game's content and uneasy feelings do still exist.
Uh, what else. Chara! Chara, Chara, Chara... I found Chara's vote on me really strange as well, and the way they framed how they disliked me reconsidering while they agree with the reasoning which made me reconsider is weird. They said town sometimes doubles down on reasoning and is antagonistic, and are applying the inverse to say me
not
doing that is scummy, when I don't think they should be applying the inverse there?
I also didn't like 2122 because Chara acknowledged they haven't read most of the game and were playing a 5 page game or whatever, so how could they know when they haven't see what I townread Lucy for and why?
In post 2433, Day wrote:'d still vote for Menalque if not Chara. The minimum 1 scum thing and performative votes onto Luca and Norwee when they're both obvtown is what I actually think is the worst take in the game.
In post 2434, Day wrote:Eh, I want to do this more right now.
VOTE: Menalque
Out for real now.
I find this sequence really scummy.
Day acknowledged Chara was correct in divining his thought-process in 2114, but when a wagon had sprung up and gained some interest on Chara Day then decides he SR's them? The reasoning he gave is not new here so why has he waited until this point to fos/vote them?
And his tone is so scummy. He later said he is intentionally faking his tone or something, but I don't see a gimmick in 2418? It's like he feels nervous about joining the wagon so overcompensates in terms of how he's presenting it. He did something similar earlier in the game when hopping back on the Suji wagon while I was casing Norwee.
He then receives a couple of votes and then fos's Menalque again before switching onto him for something that happened ages ago. It seems like he's really insecure over his Chara vote here and is playing politically.
I think the sequence is only scummy if you are strong on reading menalque as town because otherwise Day's picks aren't bad and his progression on them is solid, especially mena (see the very same readlist i just linked)
The vote against Chara (nullread from Day so far) is born out of Chara's stance wrt 1800 and its vote on Day which i also found distasteful to be honest - although 2114 as you have pointed out is kinda political for Day and i can see how you find him scummy because of that - rest of the reasons (tone and vote progression) i don't really see them, i don't think he has a scummy tone and his reasons for scumreading menalque sound sincere whereas i cannot say the opposite is true
I have already spoken at length about how i think the wagon against day is bad regardless of day alignment (i.e. the reasons that people gave for voting Day are bad) which to me is further motive to believe he is town. Incidentally Chara could also be scum here and i can compromise on it, i've been trying to townread it because i really wanted to play together but i don't know, pooky being THIS committed to save Day makes me believe i have to redesign the game structure i had in mind
Wrt the claim, i don't think scum produces a claim this spicy when there are at least 3-4 people hard defending him not including his partners - i mean try to see things from my pov: i am not scum, pooky is (now surprisingly) not scum, lucy is extremely likely not scum and we were all fighting hard against Day's lim, not including his potential partners. I know you believe norwee is one but no matter his alignment norw would never vote day, and there's at least third one who would also not vote there
Day was never in such a dangerous position to produce a risky claim like that
In post 3304, Farkran wrote:Incidentally Chara could also be scum here and i can compromise on it, i've been trying to townread it because i really wanted to play together but i don't know, pooky being THIS committed to save Day makes me believe i have to redesign the game structure i had in mind
why can i be scum? you know my current scumgame the best of this table, and you also seem to have a good idea of what my townplay is like.
i want to play with you too, i think i've explained my thoughts on what you've asked me about to the most that they existed, and yeah it is a little awkward to converse when we're online at different times.
I know, that was a problem when we were scum too lol, i remember writing at evening my time only to find wallposts from you later in the morning in both the main thread and scum pt which i had then to fight with my body and soul to keep up the facade. Ahhh the nostalgia *tear on my cheek*
By the way, actually i don't know your townplay at all! I am just making assumptions about it based on how you were townread at the time of undertale and i think it could be compatible with what you're doing here - going with the flow and never taking strong stances - my point is mostly that i think the wagon on day is scumdriven because the reasons provided to hop on the wagon were a bit weak from mena, ali and you too to some extent
Although i can relate on you being more sensible to 2114 since it was directed at you - still, i would expect that the claim should at least give you some pause when in fact it didn't at all?
Pedit: it's true that it has low chance of self-resolving but would you agree that the timing and nature of the claim is unnecessarily risky? He wasn't forced to claim and even if he had to v/la i really don't think scum would be afraid of being hammered without being given a chance to claim *after* the v/la
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Post #3335 (isolation #238) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:12 am
Postby Farkran »
In post 3325, Chara wrote:
pedit: i don't agree with the scumreads on Norwee, they all just seem to be meta which i take with a major grain of salt without a detailed breakdown of the player's style. which rarely happens.
Norwee is simultaneously scumread and townread based on meta which is hilarious though
Sorry if it sounded like i'm ignoring you but i am not!
I wish to talk to you more in fact! Hopefully we'll stay alive for a couple days or die together so that we can get to know ourselves better! You look like a super nice person to have in my friendlist and play more in my new adventure here on ms
If you have any thoughts to share on the current situation i'd be happy to hear them!
Or we could talk about a topic of your choice if you'd rather! I'm not the most, uh, creative and extrovert person when starting a conversation, i'm usually a bit shy around new people unless we're playing something, i feel comfortable within the context of games
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Post #3458 (isolation #241) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:13 pm
Postby Farkran »
In post 3368, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Fark, why are you rallying an Alisae lim?
I joined just for the sake of doing an heat-of-the-moment thing but game died down.
Because i think e has a significant chance to be scum and menalque wouldn't go down
What triggered me about ali is that e seems ready to vote anything (which is in line with ali playstyle regardless of alignment) except people who i think are scum (which isn't in line with er at all)
Er vote on pooky, in hindsight of him being town for the defense of day, is kinda bad given that e refused to sheep me earlier
Ultimately i think e has been lowkey pocketing me and not really opposing anyone
But honestly i don't know what to say, i sat on a mena/pooky solve for years and i think i was wrong so this is currently my best bet at limming scum today
Sorry if it sounded like i'm ignoring you but i am not!
I wish to talk to you more in fact! Hopefully we'll stay alive for a couple days or die together so that we can get to know ourselves better! You look like a super nice person to have in my friendlist and play more in my new adventure here on ms
If you have any thoughts to share on the current situation i'd be happy to hear them!
Or we could talk about a topic of your choice if you'd rather! I'm not the most, uh, creative and extrovert person when starting a conversation, i'm usually a bit shy around new people unless we're playing something, i feel comfortable within the context of games
i know you are not ignoring me hello yes hi, i have a bad feeling i will be alive in this game for a while because i genuinely have no clue what's going on and then scum are going to sit and laugh at me in their pt while i am just smiling and nodding and trying to get a semblance of whatever's happening, and i feel like i keep repeating that but it's true, this game is confusing to me and hard for me to get a grasp on frankly, it feels like it's just going in circles and i know that it won't just be an arbitrary elim by the end of the day but... it really feels like it will to me, despite logically it Not Being Like That. it just feels tedious to sort through everything right now. it also feels like, whenever, i get an inkling of what id like to do, the person who i'd be down to kill comes back with some good points and it's tiring, this day 1 is very tiring in general
i wouldn't kill as of now probably? you, luca, day, lucy, s_s, probably pooky now too that i've thought about it, part of my issue with reading him is that he's theatrical/Loud/All Caps at times and i was finding it weird but as it's went on i feel like he's genuinely exasperated at times? the same with you, when you were fighting before, and i know that emotion isn't always towny but it Feels Like It
the rest are like... varying degrees of, i don't want to kill you, but i would if only to get this game past today, i'm willing to sheep... uh, looking right now luca just voted norwee and i've been townreading him but like, i dunno, i'm historically bad at figuring him out so i'm willing to concede there that the one time i actually townread him he might be scum? idk, uh, probably wouldn't vote alisae... still think something weird is in the pooky/skitter/mena triangle but i'm coming around more to town!pooky just from how he's been acting + his pushes, even if they're not correct, feel like... Good. chara + penguinpower don't... do anything, info wise, and i don't have a real scumread on either of them (like, chara is low activity and i think a lack of towntelling isn't like, a good reason to vote someone right now and penguin's felt sparse to me in terms of content but again, meh).
yeah, basically i'm lost as fuck, will sheep for the promise of not getting nightkilled UNLESS i get nightkilled right before lylo..
and now, OFF TOPIC
Spoiler:
what did you do today? i think you are in a very different timezone than me so by the time i read this i think ? you will have had a day, also what was the last song you listened to?
Eh, i guess that's part of the fun, even if it gets very frustrating at times - besides a couple fights that i didn't want to have, this game is amazingly active and balanced even though right now i pretty much only have solid townreads (day, lucy, luca, norwee, ss and yeah scum!poky doesn't softclaim like that to defend town!day) and one scumread (mena) whereas the rest of the people i'm just trying to fit like pieces to a puzzle and see what makes sense
I'm still paranoid of skitter because of her push against day which isn't really good but then again she sounded like town earlier and we've been at the opposite sides of the room recently. Ultimately she isn't going down anyways so i'm kind of just ignoring her until later
You are in a position where tonally wise you're one of the most towny slots, yet you haven't do much in terms of advancing the gamestate, which is... dangerous, and that also makes a me a bit paranoid of you, but it still fits your player profile so you're the greenest of my yellow reads i'd say?
And then there are a bunch of people who also haven't done much towny (or at all) and the one who fits the least into my expectations of how town!them should play is currently alisae
Spoiler: offtopic
yeah, i live in italy and i think you're u.s.? It's now 10.30 in the morning here! By the way i didn't do much because we're still in covid lockdown, so i'm staying at my parents' to help my mom who has recently got surgery and needs some assistance in home chores - i can work from my laptop so it isn't a big issue
Last song i listened to, uh... i'm not much of a music person so it's pretty much always someone else's playlist which i don't pay huge attention to... i think that would be an italian song, "un passo dalla luna". The last song i *chose* to listen i think would be Umbrella by Rihanna even though i only like the 10-seconds slow passage in the end part, rest of the song is not my genre at all!
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Post #3468 (isolation #244) » Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:45 pm
Postby Farkran »
In post 3464, Alisae wrote:tbh this day phase I think always elims a townie considering it seems impossible to get wagons through on like anyone so it's probably just better to vote the person who's flip is the most revealing.
And yet you didn't want to vote menalque though he has been the focus of attention for like the whole midphase of the day
I'd be still down for menalque but people are hardtownreading him for i don't even know what reason, it just seems to me that he's being saved out of friendship which sure it's ok this is a game, but he's scummy
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Post #3498 (isolation #248) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:49 am
Postby Farkran »
Why would his irl situation be indicative of a town alignment though
Also wrt skitter i am also at the point where i find all her takes to be *really* out of place about mena, about lucy, about day and myself, like, i believe that literally all of those reads are the opposite of what they should be regardless of correctness
But i believe her when she says she wouldn't make *this* amount of fuss to save town!mena as scum. I have seen her making a fuss about people as town though, even when she was actually reading the game the wrong way
Also not less importantly i don't think the manpower is sufficient to take her down because any!mena wouldn't vote, any!pp wouldn't vote, town!pooky wouldn't vote and i'm not sure about chara day and SS because their stances on skitter weren't clear and/or i forgot if they ever had any
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Post #3501 (isolation #249) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:58 am
Postby Farkran »
In post 3498, Farkran wrote:Why would his irl situation be indicative of a town alignment though
With this i mean that rolling scum would actually have a worse effect on a depressed menalque than rolling town because scum takes more effort both emotionally and physically, that's what i would expect of him at least
I still feel like he started playing his scumgame but had no significant success so he kinda gave up especially when skitter backs him up so fiercely
Pedit: eh, i explained myself profusely though wrt all those positions and how/why none of them would do what they did if they were scum - lucy and day specifically but tbh as scum i wouldn't wk all three of them fiercely either; maybe Norwee and Lucy because she was never in danger of being limed but Day would have been fried if i joined against him instead of fighting the lim
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Post #3503 (isolation #250) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:10 am
Postby Farkran »
In post 3502, Luca Blight wrote:Who do you think makes sense as a partner for Menalque, Farkran?
First to come to mind is still alisae, e probably busses at this point of the day but i'm fine if we lim scum anyways
Then maybe Chara/Ydrasse/PP as a PoE and based on their behavior around mena, like all of them avoided the lim without providing *too much* reason for it, although i think scum!pp would bus scum!mena easier, maybe. The other two probably not so much
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Post #3517 (isolation #251) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:00 am
Postby Farkran »
In post 3504, Luca Blight wrote:You really think the all the scum are in {Menalque, PP, Chara, Ydrasse, Ali}?
If so then the scum team is going down with a whimper. Pretty sure Chara is Town as well
"Really" eh
I think it would make sense. Why not. I have strong townreads that i'm fairly sure will flip green i.e. day, norwee, lucy, pooky, luca
And other townreads that i wouldn't bet the game on but still wouldn't vote today i.e. skitter and SS
I guess if you want to organize this into a readlist it would be
TOWN
{Day}
{pooky, norwee, lucy} but this tier isn't even a full tier below the first, i separated them just because i think Day is literally -never- scum whereas these three are like 2% chance
{SS}
{Skitter}
{Ydrasse, PP, Chara, Alisae}
{Menalque}
SCUM
Pedit: oh - spicy take from mena, unexpected (not ironic)
I won’t vote Menalque as I just don’t feel it flips scum
I really don’t know what to make of Ali at the point but I don’t think it’s a terrible choice
Ydrasse is currently my preference
Norwee I’m back and forth on. He’s probably be the most informative lim, but his AtE got to me a bit and made me doubt myself. It’s probably better to give him longer as his alignment will become clear as the game progresses.
Out of those, Alisae would be my preference ftr
Ydrasse isn't particularly scummy in a vacuum to me, but she does make a lot of sense in a PoE
Pedit: why didn't this list appear sooner if you wanted to accelerate the process of flipping
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Post #3524 (isolation #253) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:19 am
Postby Farkran »
In post 3523, Alisae wrote:Ya okay I like PP more than Chara in that solve of {PP, Luca, SS}
Or it could be something like {PP, SS, Norwee}
Norwee's progression is kinda similar to that one time we were scum together and he kept changing his stance on to townread me or to not townread me, so this could make some sense.
In post 3523, Alisae wrote:Ya okay I like PP more than Chara in that solve of {PP, Luca, SS}
Or it could be something like {PP, SS, Norwee}
Norwee's progression is kinda similar to that one time we were scum together and he kept changing his stance on to townread me or to not townread me, so this could make some sense.
Awww you even talked about me in that game (we lost avalon in the end tho, sadface)
Still i think norwee has more fun as scum than town and the frustration here is genuine, but maybe that's just because anime games are more fitting to his tastes
I don't see any similarities between that scum!norw and this!norw though, but then again metadiving is satan
Talk to me about your similarities in feeling between that norwee and this norwee
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Post #3566 (isolation #257) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:02 am
Postby Farkran »
Alisae is mad
And this is probably town indicative for er but eh
Pretty sure e can be mad as scum too, just maybe less likely
I can compromise on PP but not my fav choice, like, PP would always play like this regardless of align and he feels like being lhf-ed ever since suji, but in retrospect i guess the original wagon in suji (luca day norw pooky) wasn't so bad either
SS is funny bc literally the only vote he ever received is his own
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Post #3586 (isolation #259) » Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:14 am
Postby Farkran »
In post 3581, Luca Blight wrote:The only player who defended him was Skitter, and she could have done that as either alignment so it doesn’t help a lot
And pooky, and chara, and ydrasse, and alisae, and to some extent pp