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Can someone tell me if Panzer would fake this as scum?In post 1072, PJ. wrote:yo...shea..let me out. Just yeet this dude next.-
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This is honestly true, though I dispute the "terrible reasons"In post 1084, PJ. wrote:
This describes exactly what Murdercat has been doing for the last handful of pages much more than it describes anything that Shea is doing.In post 1082, Noraa wrote:No it is not towny to try to start wagons everywhere. Shea's tone sounds so town but he's pushing wagons based off of terrible reasons. I feel like its not towny behavior. It's just his playstyle is towny-
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It's kind of unfair to ask that when I never said I had a hard town read on her. I just don't find things that you find scummy to be scummy. But ok I will look through the iso againIn post 1091, Thestatusquo wrote:I asked MC to answer the question: Explain to me why Noraa is town and MC went "I need to do a read" and then came back and didn't answer the question really. So I ask again, name like 2-3 things that noraa has done that you think come from a town mindset.-
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Spoiler: noraa progression on me
I know you won't be satisfied by an argument that assumes I'm town, but I am starting here as it's the thing that I find most convincing. I just can't see why scum Noraa unvotes me there. She would have hard a reasonable progression in her iso, reasonable ammo to claim she thought I was scum, and you a TRed player suspect me so it is a great place to keep a vote in case a wagon on me picks up. If she did have a chance at another miselim I could see it, but why a naked unvote? No other wagon seemed that promising.-
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I don't see this read list coming from scum. It's honestly so empty it makes no sense in some places, e.g. duppin. This isn't a tstbs argument, I am saying that scum here should be pushing someone and probably at least town leaning you. But ok you want evidence of town, not not scum so I will keep readingIn post 205, Noraa wrote:Blitzo's post 34 is overly defensive to what I perceive as a joke from Kazu(can I call you that?) Overall an interesting slot but they are in my null for the time being.
Murder sheeps Shea's(may I call u that?) opinions a shit ton. Zero evidence to back up reads ... in general. Also buddies shea a bit too. I'm not liking the look of it rn so I SR Murder.
Post 64 - I really like the way OutWorldER thinks. Very logic based and overall beneficial to town if town but very scary if scum. He can go into early town book for now tho. I don't agree completely with his views bc I think we don't have enough to be saying Blitzo is hard to read but the way of thinking is towny imo.
Pooky is hard to read. idk. null here as well as I understand this is their normal play style.
I still dk what BoP is soooo can I get some SE help around here in unfamiliar territory?
Gamma got into a bit of hot water but meh seems like typical gamma play here. I don't see anything funky so gammas a null for now.
Bulge putting pressure on Murder I approve of. Also Bulge gets +Noraa biased points bc they modded the first game that I won on site. Into my town book u go.
Post 121 - no pooky I won't be claiming 3p this game lmao.
Kazu's entrance are +++townpoints. reads very town imo.
Not mafia and Pooky are in the same "Noraa isn't capable of reading" category
Duppins posts are giving me such strong town pings, I'm worried he's scum. in the slight scum reads he goes.
Guesser's entrance could be townie in pointing out the absence of spam from me or scum setting me up to be limbait. Imma go with the first option for now.
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In post 213, Noraa wrote:
Overly defensive can be a scum or town tell depending on the person or it could be absolutely nothing. I don't have a strong read on Blitz so they are going in null for now until I see something that changes that.In post 211, OutWorldER wrote:There are several questions I have for 205.
You see Blitzo as overly defensive (which I agree with) but then go on to null them. Can you elaborate?Noraa wrote:Blitzo's post 34 is overly defensive to what I perceive as a joke from Kazu(can I call you that?) Overall an interesting slot but they are in my null for the time being.
What on earth is this logic? "They seem towny, so I'm going to scumlean them"????????Noraa wrote: Duppins posts are giving me such strong town pings, I'm worried he's scum. in the slight scum reads he goes.
Can you go further into detail on your thoughts on TSQ?Noraa wrote: Shea is .... meh null.
I may end up switching votes here.
The logic is that duppin normally doesn't strike me as that towny but here he's seeming so towny I'm worried he's faking it.
I can't read Shea aorn. His play style is one of those that I generally struggle to read just like Pooky and Not mafia. These take me a lot of time to get opinions on but I guarantee I'll probably be having at least leans before day 1 ends unless we end up with a flash wagon which I don't recommend.
There's intelligent fence sitting which is something I think scum does. That's .. not what Noraa is doing.In post 839, Noraa wrote:
its very out of the blue. I expressed concerns with duppins play being not his normal here and this random vote is just ... not rubbing me the right way. I think we might actually have a scum!duppin here.In post 826, MURDERCAT wrote:I think we should be looking closely at that vote ^
after the read up, I'm interested in hearing ur updated read. I am not the counterwagon but I can easily become one if people keep sheeping votes on me.In post 837, MURDERCAT wrote:Also, I know I still need to read up on Noraa (plan on doing that tonight), but based on wagon dynamics alone it feels like Noraa is the town counterwagon to Pooky scum (which is why I was suspicious of Duppin vote)
But look you seem a lot more confident than me, I don't really want to flip Panzer after those last couple of posts. So let's just vote Noraa and at least get her to do some scum hunting? Because I agree that I don't see a lot of it, the issue is just that I didn't feel like I saw a lot of it in her meta.-
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We have a different perspective on this because I know I'm town so I don't blame you. But I think what I would like you to ask yourself is if I really am town do you think this makes sense from my perspective?In post 1102, Thestatusquo wrote:It's interesting that you picked something that I found particularly suspicious about noraa. The fact that she unvotes you when nothing really has changed by saying "others have been scummier" and then doesn't vote anyone or explain who those others are and what they've done seems like the exact opposite of a town mindset to me. Especially since she's now still claiming that she agrees with the SR on you without managing to vote it.-
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fair enoughIn post 1107, Thestatusquo wrote:no
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I don't really have a response for this other than to say this is useful thanks. If Noraa or I is the lim today so be it, I just hope you will reconsider the read on the other one if I flip or if Noraa flips green.In post 1098, Thestatusquo wrote:Honestly, I'd have to do a deep dive to reread you because I think the two things have become very linked for me. There were and are independent reasons why I was scum reading you (a couple of examples being the willingness to proxy your vote, the pooky push, the lack of pushing your reads with the conviction I would expect from you as town, the shallowness of your reads re: pooky and panzer, the way you did surface level rereads of everyone but somehow didn't manage to come to any concrete conclusions, etc.)
But I'd have to go back and reevaluate all of that as well if noraa flipped town, because its unclear to me how much of it is invading my thought processes for other things. That's part of why I want noraa to go first.
I still don't love the bulge's contribution to this game as well, and I'd probably start digging there if noraa flipped green and on reread I decided you werent that scummy after all, but I don't love dealing too much in hypotheticals.
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I'm sorry you feel this way gamma I am having a lot of fun playing with you fwiwIn post 1122, Gamma Emerald wrote:fuck patience, this dies NOW!!!!!
VOTE: NORAA
Congratulations, you're the first one to get me charged about a mafia game since I came back.
I think we are probably going to flip noraa today but I still don't feel great about it-
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Where are you at right now Blitzo?In post 1127, Blitzo wrote:Yeah idk.-
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This is seriously the worst take that happens all the time, it's a terrible POV to have even if I am actually scum because no one ever goes "yeah that townie that got themselves miselimed on day 1 probably had a good read on the game, let's just sheep them."In post 1141, Noraa wrote:Murders buddying all over the place.
Lim me today and get murder tomorrow.
dragging a scum down with me is worth it imo.
If you are town, and I really think you might be, please contribute in a way that convinces others that you are town right now-
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I guess both nowIn post 1143, Blitzo wrote:
Physically or mentally?In post 1140, MURDERCAT wrote:
Where are you at right now Blitzo?In post 1127, Blitzo wrote:Yeah idk.-
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*sigh* I am trying to help youIn post 1144, Noraa wrote:Lel every single post of urs is just like ahaha Noraa is the decided lim. And now u tell me u think I might be town.
seriously?
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Shea if you really think this is scum still..In post 1147, Noraa wrote:Honestly speaking, if my presence is just making people mad for some reason you might as well just lim me off. My role isnt useful to town anyways but no I'm not scum. Im fine with flipping to give town more to work with and less to be annoyed at. Im sorry if my plays bothered people lots. I'll eat the lim if that's what town wants. Last time something like this came up, someone replaced out bc of me and I felt terrible so I'd much rather I eat the lim then end up feeling bad for making people have a terrible time.-
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I don't think you should read too much into it, it's important to remember that there's always n scum in the game trying to make you look bad.In post 1151, Noraa wrote:Im sorry but I've heard too many negative things about my playstyle that I just dont know what to think at times. This'll sound like full on AtE but I will willingly eat the lim bc I dont want to ruin games for others.-
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I did look after I posted that and noticed similar things, but I don't know my gut says town still. But I won't argue anything with that postIn post 1156, Thestatusquo wrote:I've literally seen the exact same speech from scum before...
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I don't think that is quite fair, I have been reluctant about Noraa recently and would basically vote there if it was a her or me situation. I do think town is voting her and it's not like I have a result on her or anything so yeah if it comes to that I'll do it. But my gut says town and I think these recent posts sound like a lot of townies who get miselimed. I do think there is a bit a tone shift compared to the other games linked, but I think maybe I'm just conf biased about that.In post 1169, duppin wrote:I really dislike this post. You have expressed reasons to SR noraa, said you thought it was a townled wagon and shown willingness to vote on her, yet this post convinced you that she is town?-
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4 I believe.In post 1178, Blitzo wrote:How many votes does she have right now?-
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Actually just 3 I think? SorryIn post 1179, MURDERCAT wrote:
4 I believe.In post 1178, Blitzo wrote:How many votes does she have right now?-
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This is factually not true because I am sticking up for you and duppin is giving you a window if you contribute. Why don't you build a case on me and try to get me elimed?In post 1180, Noraa wrote:Everyone agrees so I'll take the lim.-
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Well you can thank me in the dead threadIn post 1185, Noraa wrote:If ur town, sorry that I'm interpreting kindness like this but from my perspective, I still think ur scum.-
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But I don't think she was ever wagoned on day 1In post 1198, Thestatusquo wrote:The main thing I'm seeing is tonal. In that game it seemed like gave a shit who was elim d1. This game it doesn't really feel like you give a shit.-
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If you are elimed it is not worth doing this. I know you have given scum reads but it seems like you are suspecting everyone. Who do you think is town?In post 1204, Noraa wrote:withhold reads at times too-
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Can you give a blank read list then? Call everyone you aren't scum reading nullIn post 1208, Noraa wrote:I can't seem to form a town block here with half the playstyles being jestery ones that joke around and do nothing else and the other half all sussing the hell out of me. I am a biased player and I am OMGUSy asf when I'm town. SRs on me will affect my reads whether I want it to or not.-
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Because this is how other people sort youIn post 1210, Noraa wrote:Why are u pushing me to give an undeveloped, not thought out read literally like 3 days into day 1-
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Not gonna click the links because I'm on my phone so I'll look at this again later. But the goal is to try to get her to do town things, I don't really think anyone will follow her case and vote me as a resultIn post 1220, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Like if MC-Town really townreads Noraa he should be convincing her that ___ is a better vote and he's town, not trying to egg her into making a case on him because what purpose would that serve? It feels very performative.-
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Ok I read this, seems mostly like tone or perspective stuff so that's fine. I do feel like I explained myself and why I'm taking certain actions but if there is anything you want to talk more to me about I can answer it. I guess the only thing I'll say is that I feel like I'm playing really face up and I wouldn't do things like 1097 as scum because obviously I'm aware of how it reads. But it is important for me to understand in order to assess how comfortable I feel with a Noraa flip.In post 1220, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:skimmed the thread and I'm thinking MC-scum Noraa-town.
feels like MC is trying to use Noraa to hide himself.
These posts ping me:
1108 - I don't get this mindset - shouldn't whether noraa is town or scum be the primary motivation for voting here?
1109 - Feels like he is trying to use a Noraa-Green Flip to Clean Himself
1138 - Why wouldn't he do something about it then?
1149 - The tone of this post feels too certain for what he's quoting - feels like TMI-scum
1183 - I don't understand this - feels like he's mirroring off her self-sacrificial tone. Not really a town mindset here.
Like if MC-Town really townreads Noraa he should be convincing her that ___ is a better vote and he's town, not trying to egg her into making a case on him because what purpose would that serve? It feels very performative.-
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I reread and came to that conclusion. Also my initial vote on Noraa was more of a scumlean and pressure voteIn post 1255, Kasumeat wrote:???-
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In post 1220, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:skimmed the thread and I'm thinking MC-scum Noraa-town.
feels like MC is trying to use Noraa to hide himself.
These posts ping me:
1108 - I don't get this mindset - shouldn't whether noraa is town or scum be the primary motivation for voting here?
1109 - Feels like he is trying to use a Noraa-Green Flip to Clean Himself
1138 - Why wouldn't he do something about it then?
1149 - The tone of this post feels too certain for what he's quoting - feels like TMI-scum
1183 - I don't understand this - feels like he's mirroring off her self-sacrificial tone. Not really a town mindset here.
Like if MC-Town really townreads Noraa he should be convincing her that ___ is a better vote and he's town, not trying to egg her into making a case on him because what purpose would that serve? It feels very performative.
I'm confused about why Pooky wouldn't double down on me here after according to everyone looked I've only looked worse since our interaction.In post 1221, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I'll do a full reread later when I have time, feel like I might be too tunneled onto MC right now and I need to look at him from another angle.
I might be conf biased but it is consistent with my reads that Noraa is town here and Pooky is hedging on both me and Noraa.-
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Noraa please if you are town and stay in this game longer than me I need you to be smarter than this. Even if you scum read Shea, this is not a smart line to push at the momentIn post 1287, Noraa wrote:No it's not. Your very much fence sitty when it comes to Murder. All you do is throw shade at him while parking your vote on me.
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Hahaha I have no where else to do it SheaIn post 1295, Thestatusquo wrote:MC stop coaching literally in the game thread.-
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Noraa, do you think Shea would fake this town slipIn post 1303, Thestatusquo wrote:
Well I missed it when reading the rules, but I reread and they do have day talk.In post 1301, Thestatusquo wrote:
Well mafia don't have day talk in normals unless the rules state it I'm pretty sure so I believe this.In post 1297, MURDERCAT wrote:
Hahaha I have no where else to do it SheaIn post 1295, Thestatusquo wrote:MC stop coaching literally in the game thread.
So scratch this point.-
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Do you think at this moment in the game, with everyone but you town reading him, he would fake a town slip?In post 1306, Noraa wrote:its not hard to fake lmao. my first game my partner was a rolecop and I called her a roleblocker after she died to get townncred-
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We must yeet someoneIn post 1250, Umlaut wrote: With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to yeet someone.
Deadline: (expired on 2020-10-12 14:30:00)-
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I request this as wellIn post 1350, Blitzo wrote:I would also really like pooky to make an appearance before deadline-
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