Mini Normal 2146: Cute Pets Game Over, Town wins

[gobbledygook]

hello people of the town.

gosh, i have to say, this looks like a veritable "who's who" of mafia. it would almost be a shame to lose any one of these fine players. but alas, we have signed a contract. a social contract dictating the death of one poor soul today, and more again later.

it besots me so that i even have to consider such a vile thing.

but...

it is the game we signed up for.

~~

i will attend to my civic duty soon and bear my responsibility, but please allow me a few short posts of quiet contemplation. a few short posts to savour my innocence before i have to do the unthinkable. i'll be standing by the nearest tree.

the cake is a lie

VOTE: Hoopla

[gobbledygook]

Hoopla is known to be concise and enigmatic. :spookyghost:

[gobbledygook]

Why not ask Hoopla?

[gobbledygook]

Hello again, Espeonage!

[gobbledygook]

Yeah, quite different from what we're seeing of her right now

Who were you were responding to here?

[gobbledygook]

Isn't the N1 vig claim a meme claim? It doesn't really look serious to me tbh

VOTE: vote: Gypyx
Angling for claimed PR lynch.

CoolDog, could you explain how Gypx was angling to lynch a claimed PR here?

What the fuck has changed in the four years since I last played because lol this is not the first page and a half I expected.

What did you expect?

i dont think i'll be RVSing today. maybe tomorrow

Flippy! Fantastic entrance as always.

VOTE: Gypyx

Why this vote?

[gobbledygook]

i simply no longer have the verve to embody the spirit of a liar for weeks on end. it can truly be an exhaustive process.

It’s ok, you’ll be worm food soon enough, love.

[gobbledygook]

Currently I have cooldog and notsci as potential scum for going in to night prep immediately. Seems like a scum thing to focus on right now no?

Vote: Cooldog

Hi Scum.

VOTE: Espeonage

<3

[gobbledygook]

What is scummy about what Espeonage said?

[gobbledygook]

I follow up on the answers that I think need more explanation. Do you scumhunt without asking questions, Notscience?

[gobbledygook]

No, but I tend to elaborate on what I’m thinking as to let others see my train of thought and weigh in on things they think are true/could use tweaking.

I’m seeing the questions from you but I’m not sure what you’re garnishing from them- and I only weighed in prior to your response because I was asked about it.

That's fair. I typically don't do that. I like to watch people play before I really go after anyone.

Your question about me following up on my questions implies that you think I should have followed up on some questions already. What question/answer combinations do you think I should have followed up on?

[gobbledygook]

What is scummy about what Espeonage said?

Do you plan to follow up on your questions turkey?

Honestly, the question right prior to it.

I’d noticed you hadn’t really said anything else about the other questions but I was interested in the agar question because frankly, if I wasn’t sheeping hoopla I probably would have voted Espeonage too.

I’m curious what agar has to say but also curious for your take on the two of them. I see you don’t think it’s necessarily scummy but do yo I think it’s townie/nai? I get it’s still early and votes are weak but he’s already talking about night prep- which as far as I’m aware Just sounds like buzzwording and not something I’ve seen in the thread.

So post 75 is what prompted post 76? How would I even be able to answer post 76 when I had

just

asked post 75?

I have been thinking that Espeonage is trolling, so NAI. That is why I wanted to know why Agar voted him.

[gobbledygook]

I’d noticed you hadn’t really said anything else about the other questions but I was interested in the agar question because frankly, if I wasn’t sheeping hoopla I probably would have voted Espeonage too.

Why do you want to vote Espeonage?

I mean it's part joking because it's Page 3 so there's not tons to go off of but I thought it was shady to go "Hey they're night planning, that's scummy" after a meme claim.

What is scummy about thinking nightplanning is scummy?

I actually took Espeonages post half serious is what that meant.

I was just interested in heading off that pattern bc I’m trying to see more of the reason behind the questions. And then you said it’s not how you play so I’ve pretty much resigned to wait for your takes to come in after people start playing

You want to head off the pattern of me asking questions? I will push things that I think are scummy in real time. It isn't like I just sit there and ask questions. But as far as having all my thoughts or a fully transparent thought process, you'll never get that from me.

Generally, I do not like to insert my opinion on things. During sociological research, researchers try not to interfere with their subjects, so that their data is not tainted by outside influence. That's what I do more or less.

VOTE: Gypx

[gobbledygook]

Oh, I thought you and Hoopla were voting Gypx.

VOTE: Emperor Flippy Nips

[gobbledygook]

You're going to be a pain in the ass, aren't you. Ugh.

This made me chuckle.

But yes, probably. I try not to needle people too intensely because people do not like it.

Two, CD taking the bait and saying "if there's one kill, Espe is the lynch," while dumb, seems weak at best. Just plain dumb. Another shady inclusion.

What do you think about CoolDog's reasoning for voting Gypx?

Spoiler: CoolDog Gypx Vote Explanation

Isn't the N1 vig claim a meme claim? It doesn't really look serious to me tbh

VOTE: vote: Gypyx
Angling for claimed PR lynch.

CoolDog, could you explain how Gypx was angling to lynch a claimed PR here?

Casting doubt on the claim to justify non-belief in it. Ergo, creating a reason to vote for a claimed power role.

You do realize you're a part of this game and thus it necessitates your interaction with everyone, right?

I do realize that I am playing a social deduction game called mafia. I guess I am not explaining myself fully. I will vote people I think are scummy. I may give some reasoning for voting said person. That reasoning/explanation most likely will not be all my thoughts about said person.

[gobbledygook]

I however on the opposite side don't like this weird as chainsaw shit going on with gobbles either, so there's that too.

What makes you think I am chainsaw defending you?

having said that, please specify why you are jumping on the EFN wagon with me and notscience.

Wagons are good to move the game forward. Might I suggest a better player to wagon? Flippy is a lurker and when he is here he posts cash gifs, but other than that pressure on him doesn’t do much.

[gobbledygook]

Seems like a hell of a way to prod-dodge the entire game and write it off as "I said I was doing this at the start of the game".

Do you think that what I have contributed so far is prod dodge worthy?

and here, i'm kind of suspicious of the fact that gooble kind of sets himself up to be able to lurk later on, or at least not produce meaningful content

Same question to you. Do you think my contributions so far are lurking contributions?

[gobbledygook]

Well, the counterpoint to that is the information you’re getting now is the type, frequency, and substance of information you’ll be getting later in the game too. If you don’t think it’s lurky now, then it won’t be lurky then.

[gobbledygook]

Who do you suspect currently Gypyx?

[gobbledygook]

What thoughts of mine are not coming directly from me?

[gobbledygook]

I think people misclick the + button on pages and don’t realize they did. You have to refresh the entire browser page to remove a + quoted quote from applying in your next post.

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Are questions not thoughts, Gypyx? Is my comment that the wagon on Flippy is likely fruitless not a thought? Does the movement from voting Hoopla to joining a wagon with Hoopla not constitute a thought?

[gobbledygook]

One, Notty didn't do any nightplanning. Not sure why Espe included him in the comment, that was shady.

Espeonage no comment on this?

[gobbledygook]

the flippy wagon :yeah these are thoughts (your only thoughts in roughly 20 posts)

Good to know that questions do not count as thoughts. Though I wonder how questions are formulated in the first place...

but that's not really the kind of thoughts that make the game go foward, your reason for not wanting to wagon Flippy was his playstyle, something that doesn't change from game to game (or at least not much)

The reason you're voting for me is based on playstyle, so I guess we both are not moving the game forward. Maybe I should vote you for not having any thoughts.

the vote movement : your vote on Hoopla was RVS if i'm not mistaken,

The vote occurred during RVS, but it was not random.

[gobbledygook]

Gypyx, why haven't you responded to Hiraki's questions?

[gobbledygook]

and I don't think Hikari's questions call for an answer, unless Hikari tells me otherwise of course, in which case i'll answer

So then what do you make of Hiraki?

[gobbledygook]

Oh, I thought you and Hoopla were voting Gypx.

VOTE: Emperor Flippy Nips

Why?

- then what was it based on? you haven't explained why you thought that hoopla's first message was suspicious, neither did you explain why you went from voting her to sheeping her

Wagons are good to move the game forward. Might I suggest a better player to wagon? Flippy is a lurker and when he is here he posts cash gifs, but other than that pressure on him doesn’t do much.

Agar/Gypyx, I am wagoning Emperor for the sake of a wagon. I don't find what Flippy dd to be particularly scummy.
Gypyx, I thought Hoopla's opening post felt ingenuine. Her thought on notscience makes me think she is approaching the game genuinely. What do you think of Espeonage?

[gobbledygook]

So do you have any mild or moderate, or even strong!, scumreads? There’s plenty to go off of by now.

I do.

and I don't think Hikari's questions call for an answer, unless Hikari tells me otherwise of course, in which case i'll answer

So then what do you make of Hiraki?

what's the point of that question? I just don't do anything about Hikari

I find it odd that you do not have an opinion about Hiraki who asked questions that you felt didn’t need to be commented on. I find it odd that notscience also did not have an opinion about Hiraki asking questions that had no follow up since notscience had a problem with me asking questions that did have follow ups and that I did follow up on.

What’s good for the goose is good for the

gander

turkey, amirite?

so, you think an early probably town wagon is better than a delayed wagon?

i'm null about Espe right now, haven't done anything meaningful apart from claiming N1-vig, and I feel like this has been planned quite a while ago, so I don't consider this claim as alignement indicative

Most definitely. Any wagon is better than a delayed wagon. What makes you say that Flippy’s wagon is “probably town” ?

How come Espe gets null for something that is not alignment indicative but you’re scumreading me for something that I have said is not alignment indicative?

Well, the counterpoint to that is the information you’re getting now is the type, frequency, and substance of information you’ll be getting later in the game too. If you don’t think it’s lurky now, then it won’t be lurky then.

This is also just plain wrong. Player's can change over the timeframe of the game. You could be setting up some lurks later on.

That is a possibility, but then why not wait for me to fall into that habit? That would be a much stronger case than jumping down my throat

to eat my gizzard

saying I am planning something nefarious. This entire line of questioning from Gypyx has really only reinforced my belief that waiting and letting things develop without much interaction is more efficient play.

Cooldog, do you think my current level and style of play is lurky?

Are you scum reading me or answering for someone else when they already explained what the reasoning was?

If that is your reasoning- what questions have I asked that haven’t been followed uo on? Have I not given stances on things and said that I Intend to play the same play style hoopla laid out?

Gypyx did not mean to quote your post when he made the above statement. How did you miss his post correcting the accidental inclusion of your post?

[gobbledygook]

You're the one who said that, i was just trying to follow up with your reasoning, so therefore, could you answer my question?

I did answer your question about a wagon being on town being better than a delayed wagon. The answer is most definitely yes. Also, I did not say that Flippy was probably town. I said that Flippy's behavior has not been scummy so far.

early days, but hiraki is one who fits the blue-print of classic behaviour i look for on D1; lurky/below-radar, surface level engagement.

What do you think of UnaBombah?

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I do not find Gypyx's traitor talk to be scum indicative. I think it is town indicative actually.

[gobbledygook]

Gypyx thought Flippy was hinting traitor to you and Hoopla.

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Hiraki, what is your read on CoolDog?

[gobbledygook]

hoopla I wanna invite agar

Why do you want to invite Agar into the townbloc?

I strongly disagree with this, but I would love to hear why. Because I find it completely devoid of town motivation to speculate about.

I think that town are much more likely to openly discuss that sort of thing. If Gypyx were scum, I envision he would be more tactful and inconspicuous with dropping hints to the traitor. If Gypyx is scum, he is either the traitor or on the two person side without the traitor. If he is the traitor, he immediately would point towards teammates who reacted with the knowledge that a traitor did exist. Likewise, if he flip two man scum, we would not know that there is a traitor normally, but now we would be looking for a traitor because why would a flipped scum talk about that unless there was a traitor?

I see both of those scenarios to be less likely than a townie who eagerly spouted an accusation thinking he caught the team red-handed.

Also for those of who you have taken an extended hiatus, please refresh your understanding of what a Normal traitor is. It is much more bollocks than it was. Principle differences being: (1) it cannot be recruited (read: if mafia shoot the traitor, it will die), and (2) if the two man scum group dies the traitor gets automatically endgamed.

signed,
someone who played as a scum traitor and was nightkilled by the main group

@Hiraki

in case you missed this

Hiraki, what is your read on CoolDog?

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I want Espeonage to address Agar's point.

VOTE: Espeonage

[gobbledygook]

too early to say super duper town but i dont think ill be voting him today. i do not understand the votes on him

Which long post?

[gobbledygook]

I am coming away from this game with very different reads I think. That is troublesome.

[gobbledygook]

He would know the roles normal guidelines and that's all that matters.

Not really, no. As Hoopla pointed out, traitors are rare. If he was trying to ascertain an alignment he would want to double check something he could be reading into. He did that.

Gobbles is being way way more obnoxious than I remember.

But like idk if it is independently scummy aside from that. I really dislike it.

What am I doing that is obnoxious?

Gobbles is being way way more obnoxious than I remember.

But like idk if it is independently scummy aside from that. I really dislike it.

notsci bc why not.

Because it’s literally not in the thread, and you’re making assumptions in someone’s alignment based off of that which both shows you weren’t reading it nor do you care to figure out my alignment- which typically means you already know it?

I agree with notscience here.

[gobbledygook]

@Gobble still waiting on those reads I requested...

I am going to wait until Lickety posts more, but right now I am scumreading Espeonage for the inconsistency you pointed out.

[gobbledygook]

I wanted to vote CD. Shrug, looped in notsci bc why not.

But like I haven't been ignoring the question. I've been ignoring the game period.

Agar, no comment on this?

[gobbledygook]

I wanted to vote CD. Shrug, looped in notsci bc why not.

But like I haven't been ignoring the question. I've been ignoring the game period.

Agar, no comment on this?

Can you at least pretend to try?

Yeah, that’s not really the type of comment i was looking for, but you got me, grammar nazi.
It’s curious to me that you’re on Gypyx when I think there’s a much better reason to be on Espeonage.

[gobbledygook]

Ok, so now that Lickety is posting these are my thoughts.

PranaDevil is town
Gypyx is town
Hiraki is town
CoolDog is town
Hoopla is town

Espeonage is scum
Agar is scum
Notscience is scum

CoolDog read is conditioned on something I don’t want t reveal right now.

[gobbledygook]

Renaissance town too. I forgot

[gobbledygook]

I said I had very different reads than everyone.

Like I said, my CoolDog read is conditioned upon something.

[gobbledygook]

the town bloc is starting to formulate. gobbledygook has earned himself an invitation. gypyx is clearly town.

current members:

hoopla (president)
gobbledygook
notscience
renaissance
gypyx

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listening to the advice of fellow board members, it appears agar's name was being tossed around. i agree, he has potential and has been showing some promising signs. but can a peaceful organisation like the honorable town bloc contain his abrasive energy? too early to tell in this humble observer's opinion. lets consider him an affiliated member for the time being while things unfold. we still have plenty of good lynching options:

flippy nips
lickety quickety
hiraki
prana
una
espeonage
cooldog

^is my current vision for the lynching pool. in my upcoming posts i expect to narrow the pool once more and close in on these scumbags. i hope the esteemed town bloc members are on the same page.

What did you do with Agar’s body?

[gobbledygook]

current members:

hoopla (president)
gobbledygook
notscience
renaissance
gypyx

Awfully, Awfully built.
I think you might be town here, but there's still 1-2 scum there.
Also,is gypyx only there because of the Traitor-talk, or did I miss something towny?

Who are the the 1-2 scum in here?

[gobbledygook]

@turkey

what do you think of this lickety character?

I’m lightly townreading Lickety. Are you scumreading him?

[gobbledygook]

Yeah with your "scumhunting" style, I'm not gonna really buy into your hype. This looks a lot like trying to start up a bus.

This is the only reason given for voting for him. This is obviously an association tell. So, yeah. dumb or scumb. you decide.

Yeah, no I told you to re-read because I don't think Gobble is trying to bus gypyx you stain.

P-Edit:

We agree on at least one member of the scumteam. Gratz. Almost like I've even said that before responding to YOUR QUESTION.

So you go from hard scumreading Gypyx to voting with Gypyx, right...

[gobbledygook]

I am scumhunting lol. Agar’s play makes no sense. I think he was trying to distance from Espeonage when he called him out for the ??? inclusion of notscience in that “night prep talk”

Now Agar is doing everything in his power to not vote Espeonage, including voting with his second strongest scumread. That’s totally town.

[gobbledygook]

I thought notscience’s opening posts about Hoopla and her preferences were super contrived too. Then when notscience started hard townreading Agar for an over aggressive stance on Gypyx’s traitor stuff I started to get suspicious of them.

I think I am most confident in my Agar scumread. I will support your Hoopla wagon in spirit be ca use the points you brought up about town hunting are valid. I would imagine that it’s easier to fake town hunting than scumhunting as scum.

[gobbledygook]

It puzzles me why you two agree on the same read then.

What do you mean by this?

[gobbledygook]

Not scum hunting and rolling the dice is ev negative for sure dude. If you think your gut is 1% better than random, you should go with your gut.

i'm not dice rolling. i just base my day 1 decision making process on a wider range of factors. a special blend of intuition, pseudo-PoE formulations, assessments of players utility (value if town, scumhunting ability, lurking frequency, expected transparency post-d1 etc), and data-based observations using my patented system of "Holistic Abstracts and Heuristic Analytics" (or H.A.H.A for short). these are all factors that i believe offer greater +EV boosts on D1 than pure scumhunting. at least, that is, until we transition to a post-claim game.

here is a fun example:

from the last two years of 3:10 mini normals, i've recorded the alignment of every post made on D1 to assess the lurking frequency of scum. the ratio of scum in 3:10 games is a shade over 23%, so we'd expect that scum would post 23% of the time if lurking was a neutral factor. across 48,000 D1 posts, only 18% were scum's. and of the 50 games i surveyed, only 11 had games where scum had a higher posting average than 23%. if we lynched based on just that factor alone, and lynched a lurker in the bottom half or bottom third of the playerlist, we're doing much better than random. there is likely a much higher density of scum. it wouldn't surprise me if two or three scum were here:



of course, this is just one factor of many. it's not always about pure scumhunting. sometimes its about pruning the town in a wholesome way. ensuring a balance of voices. making sure we don't end up waffling for 50+ pages before choosing a lynch. this can make day 1 unreadable for future analysis, and create less accurate lynches later. carrying negative utility players like lurkers, spammers, thoughtless memers past D1 carries risk too, as it makes future days less productive. if d1 lynches are close to random (and they are), why not use the day 1 lynch as a form of utility lynch and drop some deadwood, and improve future days' odds? or at least factor in such things with your scumhunting.

Hoopla for madame President

VOTE: Hoopla

[gobbledygook]

by your logic you should self vote at this point so we can get information. Hell, your arguments would indicate that mass claiming would be a good idea.

I actually think that mass claims are usually positive for town on day 1 since scum are locked into a claim and usually it makes PoE so much easier.

[gobbledygook]

Hoopla for madame President

VOTE: Hoopla

the nerve!

Haha, I was just messing with you.

What’s your read on Agar?

VOTE: Flippy

[gobbledygook]

Hoopla doesn't Espeonage better fit the profile of scum you're saying? Less posts and almost at prod range.

VOTE: Espeonage

Plus this gives me the ammo I need to kill Agar

[gobbledygook]

Una could be scum. Talking an awful lot about things without using his vote

[gobbledygook]

That reads to me like a scum reaction. Una, you aren’t doing anything to get the person you’re voting lynched. Most of your posts are talking about Gypyx. Ergo talking a lot but not doing anything with your vote

[gobbledygook]

Una, you aren’t doing anything to get the person you’re voting lynched.

EBWOP:

Fucking. Lol.

What’s funny about my posts?

[gobbledygook]

That reads to me like a scum reaction.

How on earth did you get a read like that?
I'm starting to think you are the type of player who decide outcomes and reads first, and then make everything new fit that decision.
There was absolutely nothing about my latest post that wasn't dedicated to

correcting

false statements about my own play so far.
If you find that scummy, slap a vote on me.
I can't do much to help you.

Most of your posts are talking about Gypyx. Ergo talking a lot but not doing anything with your vote

Ah, but then you took an opportune time to scold me.
I have already said my piece regarding Gypyx, and I thought I made it rather clear as well, hmm?

Moving on, as should you.

I never scolded you. I said what was scummy about you.

Since I have your permission.

VOTE: UnaBombaH

[gobbledygook]

Una, you don’t seem at all concerned to get the person you’re voting lynched. That reads as scummy.

[gobbledygook]

I think Hoopla is likely town. I don’t think her core really matters much. Why do you think that’s so important?

[gobbledygook]

You confuse me

[gobbledygook]

Ok, so now that Lickety is posting these are my thoughts.

Emperor is town
PranaDevil is town
Gypyx is town
Hiraki is town
CoolDog is town
Hoopla is town

Espeonage is scum
Agar is scum
Notscience is scum

CoolDog read is conditioned on something I don’t want t reveal right now.

is this in any order or? also has anything changed? you also waited for lickety to post but didn't include them in your list, why?

No particular order to the individuals at any of those positions.

Wagons are good to move the game forward. Might I suggest a better player to wagon? Flippy is a lurker and when he is here he posts cash gifs, but other than that pressure on him doesn’t do much.

i think i've only played large games with you right gobble?

I think we played in The Baker's Cult Mini Theme game together. Otherwise, I think you are correct.

Why would you suggest a wagon on someone where pressure doesn't do much per their meta? Like you start with pretty good logic (run some people up) and then take a nosedive straight into WTF village as soon as you finish the post.

I did not suggest a wagon on someone where pressure doesn't do much per their meta. I suggested the opposite. I suggested that we wagon someone else because pressure on flippy would not do much. Did you read the post you quoted?

The fact that you're calling someone else out for not doing anything to get the person they're voting lynched when that's exactly what you were doing at the same fucking time.But you've done this before, even if you were talking out of your ass. 381 was just... :chef's kiss: So I'm scummy for not voting for my supposed strongest scumread (Espe wasn't my strongest scumread, but ok), but my second strongest instead, but your vote was parked on Espeonage although you admitted that you were most confident in your scumread on me. You then moved to Hoopla, Flippy, and back to Espeonage, then to Una.So you're saying your strongest, most confident scumread is on me, but you decided to vote for 4 other players.Scumfuck is a scumfuck is confirmed.

I already explained that Espeonage is the ammo I need to get you lynched. I think you distanced from Espeonage. I have been perfectly clear why I am not voting you. Now I am trying to find your other buddy. I am stuck between notscience and Una as the last one.

Una on the other hand has done nothing to ask anyone about notscience or to get anyone to vote notscience or really do anything in relation to notscience. That is why I called out his vote. Interesting that he unvotes notscience when called out on it despite notscience still being on his short list of people to lynch don't you think.

[gobbledygook]

My CoolDog read still has conditions on it, but he has done enough now that I can town read him independent of any conditions. Thank goodness. I did not want to reveal my conditions.

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Renaissance, Hoopla, CoolDog, Hiraki - what do you think of the fact that Una did:
...nothing to get notscience killed
...not vote anyone else on his shortlist after unvoting notscience

[gobbledygook]

Incorrectly, apparently, but yes. That one's my bad.

It's ok. I forgive you,

Spoiler:

scumcluck.

Like half the game hasn't made any attempt to get their preferred wagon rolling. You're trying to act like there's been a bastion of positive motion in this game that just isn't there.Also lol @ the concept of me distancing. Lol.

Certain people have. Hoopla has. I have with my various wagons. CoolDog has. Hiraki has.
Do you not find it scummy that people let their vote rot on wagons they have no interest in actually accomplishing?

[gobbledygook]

Why do you find it scummy and not just bad town play?

A lot of people say my playstyle is bad town play because it appears erratic and nonsensical to them, so that's why I generally try not to classify anything as bad town play.
I push anything that I think is not pushing a town wincondition forward.

[gobbledygook]

Right but just failing to push a town wincon forward does not make for scum play. So again, why do you specifically find that action scummy and find that it's AI instead of NAI?

I mean not pushing a town win con in my mind is pushing a scum win con.
As for Una specifically, I think parking a vote is easy to make it look like you’re scumhunting when you’re not. It’s easy for scum to blend in.

[gobbledygook]

Also.
I'm gonna drop the topic now, but I heavily disagree with two separate assessments made regarding the Traitor-talk.
First of all, if someone thinks they have spotted a tell for a traitor, it does not matter how "common" they are. If they are allowed in Normals, they can be in any and every game.
I just finished a game with two Millers, Innocent Child, a Town Ascetic Encryptor with no hoods and two scum in it. (11:2)

I do not EXPECT to run into a setup like this ever again, but that wasn't the first time on site with two Millers in the game.
So assuming something based on how common it is?
I think it has some similarities with how Gamblers fallacy works.

i honestly was done talking about traitor stuff on page whatever it started on. i was gonna say we'll deal with that if there's not a night kill one night but i looked at the normal guidelines & i guess they can't be recruited unless they're bulletproof?


do you mean two pairs of millers?

What is the point of this post, Flippy?

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: scumfuck mcturkey

lol

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: scumfuck mcturkey

Why though?

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Because I was rereading agars post where he asked me to vote you and liked his reasoning so then voted you?

Why did you frame this sentence as if it was obvious? The inclusion of the question make makes me think you’re incredulous that I’m even asking you this question, which I don’t know why you would be acting incredulous.

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Plus my vote was on gyp which I don’t think is a viable wagon anymore and I wanna give farside some time to catchup

Pedit

That’s the only place that name for you has shown up which I guess on reflection isn’t as obvious

I realize that’s what Agar called me. But just because he called me that doesn’t mean it’s obvious that’s the only reason you’re voting for me, or even if that is the reason for voting me.

What is your opinion on Una or Espeonage?

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Espe is now farside

Farside is Renaissance, not Espeonage.
Ok. Let me know when you’re doing isoing him.

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but that’s why I’ve been skeptical re your delayed reads

What’s why?

Idk if I said it in thread but that’s why I’ve been skeptical re your delayed reads because that means agar and I both are pushing the same stance on our buddy that I could have not brought up in the first place

I fully think that both you and Agar are fully capable of handling a town after powerbussing.
I don’t get what you’re saying by “pushing the same stance on our buddy that you could not have brought up in the first place” ?

Why couldn’t you do that? And what do you mean by bringing it up in the first place?

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VOTE: Battle Mage

Not fooling me again

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Like, I'm starting to think that because they're a much-adored thanksgiving meal, they could shoot someone on 5th avenue claim scum in bold letters and y'all would let 'em get away with it.

It’s really because I’m adorable and people feel bad for eating my kind every day on their $5 footlongs

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also GG you should have confidence in your ability to read me now, so maybe not lynch me Day 1? just sayin'

Only if you don’t lynch me Day 1

[gobbledygook]

@turkey

thoughts on una? i sense a potential speedwagon opportunity...

Always

VOTE: Una

Welcome to Hel(sinki).

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So, guess I'll have to unvote renaissance for that replacement.
UNVOTE:
What gives me hope is that both replacements so far have had multiple points that matched with some of my earlier reads.
What's a bit worse is that I really thought renaissance was scum, and therefore farside is scum AND THEREFORE my early reads would've matched those of a scumplayer faking.. Oh well.
VOTE: gobbledygook
I was trying to decide between the two of them anyway, so I guess it sort of solve itself in the end.
I also love it that AGar called gobbledy out for the exact same shit that they originally started "scumreading" me for.
And even then, a lazy wagon is formed.

Could be playstyle clash but this looks fake

[gobbledygook]

For the record, I am no longer going to substantially interact with Agar until he leaves his tunnel.

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CoolDog is an eldritch being here to disrupt the precious code that keeps us all together!!

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CoolDog, no, it really doesn’t. If Agar cannot see the difference between what Una is doing and what I’m doing with his own eyes, then there’s nothing that I can say to disprove it to him. Agar went hardcore into a really something that isn’t really alignment indicative. I called him out on that. I pointed out how something actually scummy (Espeonage LYING and MAKING UP A READ on notscience) is more scummy than whatever weird theory Agar believed Gypyx to be following. Agar was mum on this point. I voted Espeonage for that. I thought it was partner indicative that Agar pointed out something valid but chose to not push it for something that isn’t really valid. I then commenced trying to find someone who I thought could be a partner with Agar and Espeonage. That lead me to Una who was in my opinion not pushing a town wincondition because Una was letting his vote rot on notscience and not trying to get the lynch. I then asked others their opinion on Una to gauge their interest in killing Una (Agar even acknowledges I did this). Then, surprise surprise, Agar comes out and defends Una as saying what I scumread Una for is not alignment indicative.
Upon BM replacing in I voted him because BM has a high propensity to be scum and I wanted to pressure him. We then made a deal and Una had other support so I voted Una. I found several townreads in the process including CD, Hiraki, and Hoopla. I think I’ve been doing a lot in moving a town wincondition forward.

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I’m perfectly content dying to show Agar that his haughtiness over thinking he knows my alignment is wrong. I will very much relish Agar getting exposed as wrong. Agar feels like the type of person to have an ego that this won’t phase him so I ask that the other townies hold him accountable.

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brassherald has fought against the tentacled beings. The only question I have is... is he still sane?

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I sheep people all the time. I think that’s why I’m so effective. I find the person who finds the scum and I follow them.

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Farside could you read Agar for me? You probably have a better understanding of his playstyle since you’re from his era. Is he always this stubbornly aggressive?

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Bye Farside

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See ya nerds. This is probably a town loss with how bad the town is

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I’m not claiming.

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I retract the notscience scum read. I think he makes a valid point about a Gypyx

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: gooble

lol

Was I wrong about you being town

[gobbledygook]

If Agar was right and Gypyx is scum, I’m going to have egg all over my face

[gobbledygook]

He's voting for a player on whom his whole case for them being scummy is exactly what he's doing himself

I’ve explained this and not it isn’t.

[gobbledygook]

I am very sick right now so I will not be posting much for the next few days

[gobbledygook]

The Una wagon looks to me to be built by all town. In Una wagon I trust

I have asthma and was having an allergic attack apparently

[gobbledygook]

Hello world!

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Bob who are you scumreading

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i feel like for prana to be scum, he is being bussed by both members, or i have some crucial reads wrong.

Who do you think that is?
Do you believe Flippy’s claim?

also, if I die tonight, please lynch gypyx tomorrow!

1. Why Gypyx?
2. Why do you think you’re going to die?
3. This post is mega ew

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Oddly enough, I think I am coming around to Agar town. I think I mistook his aggression and pushy nature to be scum posturing, but I think that’s just his nature and he just pushing bad takes.

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I’ll catch up tonight.

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Point being in less than 24 we see that prama has went from doing basically a soft chainsaw on una to going along with the wagon and downplaying the scumminess of the wagon that he mentioned previously. Very strange behavior. IF una flips scum, I think pressuring prama wouldn't be the worst idea for this post.

To be fair, AFTER I FLIP TOWN, I would suggest Prana as the emerging scum-candidate for that post.
I think they have had me as townread throughout the game(?) more or less, but that specific type of post makes me think more along the line of "knows I'm going to flip town".

What post in particular?

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Let’s kill Battle Mage if Una isn’t happening?

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I would really like to not hammer while I’m still rereading

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: Battle Mage

Let’s make it happen town block
Una had some recent posts that I felt were town.

[gobbledygook]

Time to kill the newb

VOTE: Gypyx

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VOTE: Una

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but he's done very little this last week, and i won't continue defending him in a deadline situation.

I mean I did a lot in the early part of the game and got scumread for it so :shrug:

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VOTE: gobbledygook

This town is the prime example of too many chefs in the kitchen and that is why it will lose.

I am town, but as Day 1 honor party thanksgiving dinner, I claim no part in the ensuing chaos.
But I will claim that win if we get one.

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VOTE: gobbledygook

This town is the prime example of too many chefs in the kitchen and that is why it will lose.

I am town, but as Day 1 honor party thanksgiving dinner, I claim no part in the ensuing chaos.
But I will claim that win if we get one.

Well, after seeing this I do not need much more to move back on to you..
Self-voting is not cool and towny.

You’re an idiot if you think scum self votes in that instance.

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Before some other complete loon decides to dive off the scumfuck turkey wagon...

VOTE: Gobble

Jesus fuck this game.

It's a total mess to read, there's shit tons of utter worthless garbage being spewed, and it makes the game a chore.

We then have obv-scum in Hoopla trying to run up as many wagons as possible to get people to reveal their roles, only to make out the gunsmith role is 100% safe to still be used (because a scum roleblocker wouldn't want to prevent that would they?) while the watcher role is totally useless as of now...

Hoopla merely wanted to reveal PRs as much as possible. That is clear as fucking day.

Hoopla you can’t die tonight you’re my dose of sanity in this thread

Unless we have a vig, Hoopla isn't dying tonight. Scum don't randomly kill themselves.

I really hope you’re not town.

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Please look at Espeonage. Please look at Una.

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Bob too. He doesn’t feel like his town self here.

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: hiraki

makes as much since as the rest of this town is.

This makes me think my earlier thoughts about CD and Hiraki were wrong. Hmm

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Klick I’m going to say something that’s going to make you want to Lynch me more but I just had a shower thought and I don’t think my condition for townreading una is valid anymore and I feel really dumb and ofc this is going to be scumread bc lol flip flopping in lylo but I have been drastically overthinking him I think

Notscience scum read skyrockets. Flippy target this noob.

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Prana do you seriously think Flippy is scum for his claim....?
If you’re Town, just yikes.

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I have literally zero reason to read flip before a flip as scum genius

But feel free to diagnose me with town

No noe, I’m not the genius. You’re all genius for scumreading me

All genius!!

[gobbledygook]

Originally I had thought CD and Hiraki were masons based off Hiraki coming to CD defense early and without much basis. That was what my read was conditioned on. I might be wrong though because CD voted Hiraki.

That said, I think CD is town. If I’m on wrong on the mason read, Hiraki could use some pressure.

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Gobbles I literally said I wanted no part of either and got roped in and now I think I picked wrong

By standard effect. You’d think with all the social movement going on irl you’d do more than just be a pretty wall flower? Guess it means you’re scum

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Good luck!

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I helped start a counter wagon that got to l-1 and the only reason it didn’t go through was everyone’s too chickenshit to Lynch a pr claim. And I had been actively pushing to Lynch him until the last 12 hours what are you even on

I mean lynching a watcher is big yikes

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BM scum heavily implies Agar scum
That’s where I would target night actions

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I think unless you have a role that contradicts existence of a watcher you let it eat a nightkill