Mini 591: Re-Infiltration - GAME OVER!

[pojedinac]

Vote: Talmadge Monroe

His name is too long. An obvious attempt at hindering players from voting against him.

[pojedinac]

vote poj

Cos I don't like cats with guns...

You're just jealous because my cat with a gun could take your albino with a katana to the cleaners any day of the week.

So you've caught on to my clever gambit have you..

(most people call me TM after about an average of 1 post )[/i]

Very well "TM", you've got yourself a reprieve...

unvote: TM

Vote: alvinz95

I'm allergic to names that contain numbers.

[pojedinac]

Unvote
Vote: SensFan

Please explain the non-randomness of your vote...

[pojedinac]

Long story made short, I was purposely ambiguous with calling my vote "non-random", intending to see who was overly eager to jump on my wagon afterwards with little to no reasoning. So far, Xtoxm and TM look sincere in their questions towards me, while I am far less sure of the motives of alvin and pojed.

FoS: pojed

Ok, I'll believe your explanation of just testing the players' reactions with that vote. For now.
That means that I owe you an explanation on my vote, too. Well here it is:
You made a controversial move, and I don't do FOS. It's that simple.
This game doesn't have a deadline and the only way to put some pressure on anybody is to vote for them. FOSing just doesn't cut it.

And speaking of putting pressure on someone...

unvote
Vote: Anatole Kuragin

You've been awfully quiet this whole time...

[pojedinac]

There are two reasons for my vote:

I believe that lynching lurkers is always a good strategy.
Any scum that talks a lot is bound to slip up sooner or later. Also, when a player gets replaced all the observation about his/her style of play gets thrown out the window.

I'd rather see a lynch sooner than later.
So I'm voting for the current vote leader, who also conveniently happens to be somewhat of a lurker.
Feel free to accuse me of bandwagoning

after the lynch

. (If my target happens to be a townie, of course.)

unvote
Vote: OG Smokedank

[pojedinac]

FoS poj

for rushing the day. We have very little decent information.

We won't have

any info at all

until we lynch someone.
The scum's first target will also tell us a few things.
And then, after the Day 2 first few bandwagons, we will perhaps have enough info to vote for someone with full conviction that they are scum. Until then we are wandering in the dark.
Now that everyone's has had a chance to have their say in this,

I want to cut to the chase ASAP.

[pojedinac]

EDIT: The last paragraph in the above post should read:

Now that everyone's has had a chance to have their say in this

game

,

I want to cut to the chase ASAP.

[pojedinac]

Wow, my very own lynch mob...
I say go for it guys. I want to see a lynch, and I don't care if it's my own.

Dragging D1 for ever and ever is stupid. It takes a pretty exotic game setup to have a Town aligned Daytime Investigator, and this ain't it.
However, it does give the scum a chance to pounce on somebody who voices an unpopular opinion.

Remember that when you turn over my corpse to see the colour of my blood...

Now, what are you waiting for? I wanna see some LYNCHIN'!

P.S.

Unvote

[pojedinac]

poje you realize if nobody said anything every day and just lynched as soon as the day started wed have no information too right

the only way you get any good info on cardflip is if ppl talk

I wouldn't have voted for lurkers if I were against people talking, would I?

You can get some info from talking and some info from the deaths, but the most info is gotten through comparing the talk and the deaths.

Let's say player A talks nice and everybody think him to be town. Would you still think of his as town if he kept surviving the Nights?

There is almost no chance of lynching scum on D1, because the scum are almost always trying to go with the flow and avoid upsetting anyone. D1 is for lynching townies who said one thing too many, or were just very unlucky.

It's because of that that I like to lynch any and all lurkers at the start of the game. A scum with a loose tongue will slip up eventually, but a townie lurker does us no good and also provides cover for any lurking scum.

[pojedinac]

Any Scum that hammers him gets 1-for-1'd.

This implies that you know he's town...

unvote vote SF

No, actually. It implies that only Scum would quickhammer him before he has a chance to defend himself...

Actually, I already had my shot at defending myself,

twice

,

before

you posted that vote.
It's not the vote that bothers me, it's the fact that you felt the need to distance yourself from the lynch by blaming it on the last guy to vote.

Vote: SensFan

[pojedinac]

@ Coug: Two of your suspects rely on the assumption that poje is scum. Careful with that: confirmation bias.

This is exactly why I want to see a lynch sooner rather than later.
If I (or anyone else, for that matter) were already lynched, the Town could then make some decisions, based on the towniness/scummines of my corpse.

if

(scum) hunt scumbuddies

else

pressure suspicious voters

Now, where did I leave that vote...Oh, here it is - on SensFan. I'm leaving it there. I would be just as comfortable with voting for EG, since I think that there's a roughly:

30% chance of neither SF or EG being scum
60% chance of one of them being scum
10% chance of both of them being scum

But we won't know the fate of the Schroedinger's mobster until we put him in a box...

[pojedinac]

@ pojedinac: Town or scum, I think you'd do better on a night start the way you seem to be posting. I personally think lurker hunting is the scum's job… or has that subject already been dropped?

On the subject of lurker hunting, the Town agreed to disagree, and focused on an abortive lynch of myself. Anyhow, with lurkers being replaced, the whole question became moot.

I actually prefer Daystarts, and in there's-no-such-thing-as-vanilla games I even tend to vote NoLynch on D1. Here's my basic approach to all mafia games:

All-vanilla:

Each successive Day should be

longer

than the last one, since there is more info to be analyzed with every death that goes by.

No-vanilla:

Each successive Day should be

shorter

than the last one, since the investigations and whatnots cut down suspects faster with fewer players.

[pojedinac]

Who do I have to vote to get a lynch around here?
Why is everyone so afraid of a mislynch.
The worst thing that could happen is actually a NoLynch, and it's coming our way.

Despite what EG and SF have been saying, hammering down someone, even a Townie, is NOT that much of a scum tell. Especially this early in the game.
Shifting responsibility, or even avoiding it altogether, IS a scum tell.

Besides, we need new topics for conversation. A lynch and a NK will provide us with just that.

[pojedinac]

At this point, there are three clear-cut candidates for a lynch: EG, SF, and myself.
So let's focus on them.

My vote is currently on SF, but as I've already stated, I'm also willing to ensure EG's lynch, should he overtake SF in votes.

Since I'd be happy with either lynch, I really don't have any questions for EG or SF. And since the third man in the spotlight is pojedinac, (and the two of us aren't on speaking terms), I have no questions to ask at all.

If anyone has any questions for me, feel free to send them this way.

[pojedinac]

More talk about consesus in a bit, and I'm totally willing to push EG some more, but I want to follow this lead for a little while... unvote; vote W!nter.

Don't split the vote any further. Vote for EG, SF, or myself.
We're in a countdown situation, you know.

[pojedinac]

We're running around in circles. I'm tempted to vote for myself if another couple of votes land on me, just to ensure a lynch.

We have all the

relative

measurements we need, right now. Who's been supporting who, who's been attacking who, who's been steering lynches towards and away from who, as well as who's been sitting on the fence the whole time.
What we now need is an

absolute

measurement, who's town and who's scum, obtainable

only through death

.

And since EG is now closer to a lynch than SF...

unvote vote EG

vote count:

Evilgorillaz - 4 (Talmadge Monroe, W!nt3r, roflcopter, pojedinac)
pojedinac - 3 (Evilgorrillaz, Sensfan, StrangerCoug)
SensFan - 1 (Xtoxm)
roflcopter - 1 (Anatole Kuragin)
W!nt3r - 1 (Ythill)

not voting: alvinz, rice

[pojedinac]

I've read back Ythill's and Roflcopter's posts with the awesome power of hindsight and I got a couple of ideas. Here they are:

Vote Mr Blonde

FOS TM

Ythill was very much avoiding to share his opinion on SF/MrB, as well as continually trying to split the town vote when SF/MrB came under scrutiny.
Also, YesterDay's arguments against SF/MrB are still valid.

TM was the one who (in concert with Ythill) shifted the focus from SF to EG. If we lynch MrB and he comes up scum, TM should follow him to the gallows.

[pojedinac]

So... let me get this right. You throw some accusations on how Ythill tried to *cover up his friend* and suggest that the friend was me (and don't mention any posts). That's what you are saying, right?

First of all it would be really nice if you could actually put name some specific posts & comments and not just throw things in the air.

One specific quote coming up...

Meh. I don't see what the SF hubbub is about. He could be scum, but the case against him isn't compelling. Of poje's list, I'd much rather hang EG.

[pojedinac]

Alvinz, why did you feel the need to make this thread an even weirder place than it already is?

[pojedinac]

Vote: Mr. Blonde

If he turns up town, we go focus on poje/rice tomorrow.

If MrB turns up town, I'll wholeheartedly support my own lynch

, since it would mean that I was very wrong on someone's scumminess on two occasions, and that kind of error in judgment is inexcusable.
My lynch would also benefit the Town by removing any shred of doubt about my alignment so that all those "if poj=town then x=scum" equations can finally get resolved.
And finally, since I'm apparently one of the most scummiest looking characters around, my death won't come by nightkill, because the scum wouldn't want to ruin the perfectly good smokescreen the WIFOM argument about my allegiance provides them.

It's simple logic, really.

If MrB isn't scum, it means I don't contribute to the solution.
If my existence provides cover for the scum, it means that I'm a part of the problem.

Now, can we please get some lynchin' done...