Open 554 - omg, like, jungle republic!! + game over~~

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I just watched that whole snake thingie to the end, geez my life sucks
VOTE: not_maf
Not maf, but ww.

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K.

VOTE: jon

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Kat looks forced

Jon's entrance was shitty

Maybe 1 is maf 1 is ww?

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Correct.

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TierShift, if you think maybe one is maf and one is ww, why no vote at all?

Pretty sure I voted.

Kat looks forced

Jon's entrance was shitty

Maybe 1 is maf 1 is ww?

You mean to say I would actually seriously claim my role or crumb any sort of role in this setup during my first post which was within RVS?

Are you trying to say that because you jokingly claimed werewolf in RVS, you can't be werewolf? In that case, you need rope.

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You mean to say I would actually seriously claim my role or crumb any sort of role in this setup during my first post which was within RVS?

Are you trying to say that because you jokingly claimed werewolf in RVS, you can't be werewolf? In that case, you need rope.

Are you trying to say that a non-alignment tell is something to rope me over with? In that case, you need rope.

No. But you actually used the fact that you made a joke in RVS as a defense to my accusations.

VOTE: kat

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This looks like scum looking for the other aligned scum, to me.

Ewww

Explain yourself

Answering your question, you could be bussing, but there's little incentive to. If you were, I doubt you'd point out that you could be.

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S and Em let's do this townbloc thingy

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People emphatically not in the townbloc: jon, Kat, and Finglove.

Can we maybe lynch all of these

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What about your concept of the townbloc as it ought to be?

We just put all townies in the townblock and lynch outside of it!

It still all looks very random to me - apart from S and Em insisting he's got so many reads already from RVS.
He is trying way too hard to convince us he's town bloc.

Wait til you're at L-1.

here, let me help.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: S and Em

Do you disagree with his reads? Why is getting a ton of reads from RVS necessarily scum faking it?

RVSing this far into the Day? What's up with that?

That name annoyed me. And the day isn't measured by time (really), but by whether people have shown anything worth voting for. Which they now have.

UNVOTE:

Forced shit ew

Shatteredviewpoint: Your vote came out of nowhere? Care to explain?

No, but thanks for asking.

Why not? Are you planning to just hide behind mod-banter and not actually contribute?

VOTE: Shatteredviewpoint

Are you really voting someone for not contributing at page 4? Don't you have any scumreads?

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I don't really have a preference right now.

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Don't tell me what to do, buddy.

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Finglove/Jon/Wolfy/?/?

/kat/notmaf?

Really I want you two to come in here and talk about recent happenings.

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L-1.

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Intent to hammer, I think.

(Are we at L-1?)

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I didn't have a scumread on Finglove to be honest. Just put my vote there to generate something. Just felt like unvoting.

@ninja: You missed my question. Explain your vote on Finglove?

So what reads do you have?

And I can claim intent at anytime, V/La or not. I'll let him talk for a sec when he gets here.

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VOTE: jon
I think I wanted that dead too yesterday.

V/LA till next sunday

On a holiday, definitely time to play but not sure if I'll have internet access.

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Good list but where is wolfy?

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Wait is this game nightstart, or did the mod make a mistake in saying it was night 2?

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So what is your read on her currently?

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I have NotMafia, Jon and Kat as lean-town from their interactions with the Finglove wagon.

Are you sure you don't just mean 'not same team scum'?

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Yeah NT's post was bad but I need a reread on the full game before really judging.

Why is jon getting townreads?

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Meh. Don't really agree.

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Not every post by scum looks scummy.

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I do this 'I'm not really helping right now but it doesn't really matter what you think of me' as either alignment.

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Hi I did a reread:

Town people:
Kat jon majiffy

Townish:
SV wolfy

Concerning peepz from least to most concerning:
Mnem-weak play overall, says he's gonna step it up but is not showing
Notmaf-dunno what to say don't like his questions, 202 for instance
BDSM-well his posting is really awkward actually, 31 is way too serious in tone, while 64 makes me think he is buddies with finglove for the pressure without voting
Chrono trigger guy-the way he responds to a little pressure is awkward like in 233 and his L-1 sheep was super awkward too. There is just a little part of me that says he might just be behaving like this due to being new but I want him gone still.

VOTE: Ninja trigger
Jiffy come vote him with me, I'm sure you want it.

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I'm pretty sure I'm sorrier that my reads coincide with jiffy's than you are.

Can you rephrase that last paragraph that is supposed to be your defense because I can't make heads nor tails of it.

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Why didn't you post thoughts/reasons for your townreads?

I don't do that this early usually. But you can ask me to elaborate on any of them.

I'm pretty sure I'm sorrier that my reads coincide with jiffy's than you are.

Can you rephrase that last paragraph that is supposed to be your defense because I can't make heads nor tails of it.

do you even sarcasm?

[Sarcasm]You're funny and your sarcasm is vonvincing me you're town.[/sarcasm]

That's how it works right?

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That means all of them. Why even wait for me to ask?

Not worth my time.

Jiffy, you think NT is maf or wolf?

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I'm strictly against policy lynching useful town players, though.
I'm not explaining all my townreads, period. If there's one you disagree on, we can discuss it.

You don't think his quick hopping on was indicative of either scumteam?

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I thought your reading skills were magical.

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How am I supposed to get a read on you if I can't follow your line of thought?

This certainly indicates

you

had trouble reading me, not the other players in the game.

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So you need the explanation for my townreads to read me, while you also say you don't need them to read me?

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Ok. Could you change your avvy?

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@Notmaf: his joking attitude doesn't seem forced. His vote on finglove looked natural and he has no trouble with the attention shifting onto him. He knows his reads are wishy washy but doesn't try to hide it.

'Nuff?

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Voting naturally points to town, not to other team scum.

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NT, reads?

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Wolfy might be NT's buddy?

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This game is a little boring, it's just everyone sheeping me.

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Fuck why am I sheeping jiffy without knowing it

This is awkward

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Naked reads ew

Explain pls

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Hi

I explain who I'm after and why

Sorry for that

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Hi

You can always do an ISO

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Gm you think NT is scum now?

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Mnem makes a nice wagon for tomorrow too
So does wolfy regardless of flip

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Hi

I'm town

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Nah still town

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Back.

Will get to this in the afternoon.

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First, I'll get to justin's case on me.

So by post 66 TierShift invites S and Em to do this townbloc thingy. In my opinion an early townblock is more helpful to scum than town.

But here's what really bothers me. Compare the logic in this post to what TierShift posts in this exchange. S and Em posts this and this is TierShift's response.

So when Jiffy points out that he is less suspicious of folks for what he considers the way they voted it could also mean they're on the other scum team. But when TierShift decides someone has cast a "natural vote" it means they are town.

That smells. It smells worse because the player being discussed, Jon, was one of the same players TierShift staked out the opposite position on just before.

I cannot see anything wrong with this specific sequence of posts. I wondered what Majiffy meant because the way NotMaf interacted with the wagon didn't make me think he was town, perhaps not same team scum.

It smells even worse because this comes about as the result of a disagreement TierShift had with Majiffy which lead TierShift to do a reread that made TierShift go from this post 248 to this post 249 in about 36 minutes, including the writing of the post.

That must have been quite a reread.

I did indeed do an ISO of the players I was unsure on at that moment, jon being one of them. My reads usually change upon rereads and I wonder how it's a scumtell.

I wonder above all how possibly changing a viewpoint (seeing natural votes as not same team scum first, then as town) is scummy at all, if it were true. Can you explain that to me, Justin?

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Summary of what's left of justin's case:
Observation 1: I had the same reads as SM
Observation 2: I reread and flipped reads to nearly coincide with jiffy's
Conclusion: TierShift is an opportunistic scumfuck

Right?

Catchup post coming in.

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And in this post you seem very cognizant of the fact that in this game good solid "natural" votes might not mean town.

Ftr I never said this

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Oh hey

I think justin is scum

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The main problem I'm having with justin is that he's portraying immense amounts of IIoA, while being extremely indecisive. Not in a paranoia way, but in a 'I see this behaviour but I don't wanna attach a value judgement' way. A manner in which he can swing both ways if necessary. The questions he asks people, are mostly answered and will definitely not help him towards forming a read.

I've read and reread Ninja and my gut tells me he's a flailing townie but there's just too much dirt there to ignore. He's not my first choice for today's lynch because at this point he's not my scummiest and because neither a successful or unsuccessful Ninja lynch provides us with much information going into tomorrow.

First of all here's a poop reason not to vote NT. The rest of his post seems to imply NT is scum but somehow he wants to uphold the idea that NT is town. Tries to dissuade us from lynching NT by calling his lynch non-informative, a hollow and meaningless word.

We've gotten almost nothing from Mnemonic, but everything he's given us is bad.

An example of setting himself up to call him either town or scum later on.

I don't like the speed at which Majiffy is pushing the Ninja lynch but I like/agree with almost everything he's posted. I agree with his townread of Jon and his suspicions of Tiershift. To this point I suppose my only concern is what seems like tunneling on Ninja here in day two.

Jiffy he wants the D

I get the feeling he's not really looking for scum but just setting up a position from which he can go in whatever direction he pleases.

Justin, I want you to make a reads list in which you categorize people.
How do you feel about SM and his interaction around the finglove wagon?

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Oh and I think I wanna lynch a wolf today so that's why I'm on NT but if you wanna lynch maf go for SM/Justin

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I have NotMafia, Jon and Kat as lean-town from their interactions with the Finglove wagon.

Are you sure you don't just mean 'not same team scum'?

Majiffy expressed the opinion that the nature of their votes leads him to believe they are town. You counter by saying that it could mean they are on the other scum team. So, we've taken care of that point.

Yeah, because I didn't see Not_maf as town from his voting pattern. That's why I asked. Perhaps jif and I don't have the same definition of natural voting.

Ummm...my name's Tiershift and I'm voting for Ninja but I'd be happy to vote for Justin or S and Em and I had a bad read on Not_Mafia's vote and so I voted for Jon and I want Katarina and Jon outside my townblock and I really wanted It (jon) dead yesterday or maybe he's solid town. I mean I did a 30 minute reread and changed all my reads but I never gave reasons for what I found that made me do it.

Yeah, because that's what scum do, right? If you want me to respond to this, you might want to stop the passive aggressiveness.

Let's see, my name's Justin and from reading the thread I found Tiershift the most likely scum and I made a case against him and I'm prosecuting it. Damn, I'm all over the place.

Really, Tiershift, if you were going to launch an OMGUS attack on me it probably would have been better to try to accuse me of tunneling. Because pretty much everything you've said about me...well, you're doing it.

Is this your defense? The fact that you haven't attacked more than one person and that my attack is OMGUS? Bravo.

Justin, I want you to make a reads list in which you categorize people.
How do you feel about SM and his interaction around the finglove wagon?

I am so tempted to ask you to change your avatar. Instead I'll ask you to list what it was in your reread that made you change your reads on Jon and Katarina. Commit yourself to something at last. Own your opinion on just these two changes.

I don't think I asked you a difficult question. Why are you avoiding it?

You see, it's been awhile since I played Mafia, but I'm pretty sure that it's still a scumtell when someone's words don't match their actions. And by the way, that's the crux of my case, even more than your opportunistic sheeping.

Hmm?

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Gm why is justin town?

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No. I'm not setting myself up to go in any direction, sorry.

I asked you for a readslist with all the players neatly categorized, why are you unable to provide this?

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Swiftly dodging

Hangover is killing me and I'm not really capable of doing this atm
You can hammer and I'll defo explain tomorrow, not gonna be much more than 'did a reread and shit changed' but I think I can elaborate slightly

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I knew Justin was scum, dammit.
I still gotta say 'well played' to the maf because they managed to evade a lynch day 4!

Mnem didn't do a thing? The fuck.

Oh and I think multiball is almost unwinnable for town if there aren't any crosskills :/