Open 512: See Nine Plus Plus (Game Ovah)

[Varsoon]

@Saki: I'm not, but it's my head on the chopping block, so I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't.
We'll see.

[Varsoon]

@Cherry: Hardly, I'm pointing out obviously scummy play on your part before I go over the hill. You're either scum or SK. You'll get lynched eventually, or NK'd.
Instead, I'm putting my vote on the most scummy player in this game. If you think it's diverting my wagon, well, that's a fucking convenient argument, isn't it?

[Varsoon]

"Oh dear, we're being called scum by the dumbass who decided that fakeclaiming a PR was a good idea. "
You're a jerk.

Also, you're scum.

Vote: Cherry

Meaningless, since I'll be lynched out of ignorance and blind parroting.
Enjoy the free ticket to ride while you can. You're either scum or SK, regardless, your posts reek.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, this is exactly how JMO plays in his scum games.
We'll get him to L-2 or L-1 and he'll call us stupid.

[Varsoon]

I'm against using meta, but his play in this game is undeniably scummy AND fits his scum meta.
Check his scum play via the link in his sig.
Cherry's response to my vote wasn't as damning as I'd hoped.

Vote: JMO

Dude's scum.

[Varsoon]

I'd like to hear from Bulbazak.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, it was called Case Closed when they brought it to America. It's one of the longest running anime.
I really like a lot of the early episodes, and I'm tempted to get back into it, but it's a super-long series so it's a bit foreboding.

@Flench: You'd better have more to say when you catch up.
@Saki: Any thoughts on current game-state/what I mentioned in 1074 and 1080?

[Varsoon]

Hahaha, who do you think is scum, then?
Also, keep in mind, it's D1. There's no need to find a scum team, just one scum.

[Varsoon]

Add Stubbs to that 'where' list, too. :/
and Bulbazak replaced Glass.

[Varsoon]

Right on.

[Varsoon]

Do you think I should get back into watching Detective Conan?
We could watch it as a group or something.

[Varsoon]

Hey, man, thread's going nowhere and we're not allowed to PM each other while in games together.
And Detective Conan isn't just a TvShow. It's more than that.

[Varsoon]

<3 Flench

[Varsoon]

PM me after game for hot skype Detective action.

[Varsoon]

Same here, but I can make exceptions. You should always be able to make exceptions for friends.

[Varsoon]

@Titus: Discussing one of the best detective shows of our time isn't trolling, bro.

@Xiao: It's hard to shut up about Conan, but alright.

[Varsoon]

What's HnG? Hikaru No Ho?

Conan solves the murders. There's thousands of murders every day, you know?

[Varsoon]

Hey man, we got lots of info from that! Or, at least, I did.

And besides, you should know, I'm the shitlordiest of shitlords.
We're waiting for other people to log in or catch up. Why not? I wanna discuss anime with the guys in the thread.

Spoiler:

Offensive Language, but this is the internet, so w/e:

[Varsoon]

Flench, if I die, who is gonna brighten your day and talk to you about anime.

Oh, haven't watched that. Is that the combat butler show, Saki?
I hear Black Cat is good, too.
I like Tatami Galaxy and Great Teacher Onizuka.
Heck, I can just link my MAL.
http://myanimelist.net/animelist/ZeroEnigma

[Varsoon]

Oooh.
But is it enough to last us through another hiatus on Berserk?

[Varsoon]

Oh, my MaL isn't everything I've ever watched, just stuff I've watched /re-watched since I started my MAL.
What's Toaru?


Hey, man, Golden Boy is amazing, but I'm harsh on my reviews and I already got more of the same (and better) from GTO.

[Varsoon]

You can't smash me with your Gundam Wing if my Getter Robo stops the attack!

[Varsoon]

@Flench: You're no fun.

Although, honestly, it's a matter of waiting for people to get in/get caught up. Half of the players are playing right now and we've beaten the horse to death and beyond on everyone who is here.


@Xiao: Son, I'm a level infinity shitlord.

[Varsoon]

Oh! Raildex! Yeah, I know those. Yeah, they're solid. I like Accelerator. I watched some of the new Railgun season.

[Varsoon]

Hahah, Tamako Market is actually pretty good, I'm just tired of KyoAni's moe~moe~
He's pretty spectacular. I've been in many Accelerator vs Flash threads. In fact, a gift, for you:

Spoiler:

Dude, even I don't know what I'm talking about half the time.

[Varsoon]

@Saki:
Disgaea will consume more hours than your childhood, lol.
I spent most of my younger years playing Everquest, Bushido Blade, and Final Fantasy/Snes Roms.
I've gotten used to telling people their tastes aren't so great--but it's about watching/doing what you enjoy rather than the quality of it having universal appeal.


I just realized this, but Vote Me wasn't lying when he said he'd never put a vote on Varsoon.

[Varsoon]

I put in over 900 on Castlevania SotN.

Also, he replaced out, so he won't ever vote me. Get it?

[Varsoon]

I'd be fine with a cherry or JMO lynch. I think that Cherry's incendiary playstyle has revolved around getting other wagons started, and it's interesting to see how many times cherry has tried to deflect in the last few pages when I was absent.
JMO's scummy for his active-lurking and refusal to contribute when asked. He's tunneled me all game, which seems like the safest play scum could make.
Cherry's scummy for supporting every big wagon that's happening and fanning the fires that other players have started. Cherry always denies agency so mislynches can't be tracked back to Cherry.

[Varsoon]

Other things I've learned:
Saki likes anime.
Bauss is cooler than Rank.
Oriole supports my Shitlord status.
Cherry's stalling and other scummy tactics can be labeled Hydra Dissonance and people will ignore them sometimes.

P-EDIT:
See? Another deflect. I'm not allowed to scum-hunt or propose people are scummy because you think I'm a shoe-in lynch?
No, I'm a player in this thread, and I'll expose you as much as I want, regardless of where it puts me.
Nobody puts Varsoon in a corner.

[Varsoon]

Roses are Red,
Violets are blue,
Omae Wa Mou
Shindeiru

[Varsoon]

Spoiler:

[Varsoon]

@Cherry: Nooooo~ That's my play.

[Varsoon]

It's too easy to have my on a scum-list at this point.
Also, you should focus on trying to find one scum instead of a team.
It's D1. Condemning multiple players narrows your field of vision.
Everyone should be a suspect.
Also, we could have a SK, so, really -everyone- should be a suspect.


@JMO: Already confirmed I didn't read the setup, no use having that as a point against me.
It was an unlikely PR from my PoV since I don't know why someone would pressure themselves into claiming TRB on D1.
The number one rule for town is to lynch scum. Also, the way to win any game is to not play by their rules, but to make your own.
Your vote fluttered to Glass for awhile, then to me when you saw me as the shoe-in vote that was safe to have as you lurked all the way home.
If crumbs were big and obvious, they'd be someone else's toast.
If I'm town, you get a mislynch and scum gets a free kill. SK gets a free kill if SK exists. This is an anti-town move.
Why make a case on me and end it with deflections to other players?

[Varsoon]

It's too easy to have my on a scum-list at this point.
Also, you should focus on trying to find one scum instead of a team.
It's D1. Condemning multiple players narrows your field of vision.
Everyone should be a suspect.
Also, we could have a SK, so, really -everyone- should be a suspect.


@JMO: Already confirmed I didn't read the setup, no use having that as a point against me.
It was an unlikely PR from my PoV since I don't know why someone would pressure themselves into claiming TRB on D1.
The number one rule for town is to lynch scum. Also, the way to win any game is to not play by their rules, but to make your own.
Your vote fluttered to Glass for awhile, then to me when you saw me as the shoe-in vote that was safe to have as you lurked all the way home.
If crumbs were big and obvious, they'd be someone else's toast.
If I'm town, you get a mislynch and scum gets a free kill. SK gets a free kill if SK exists. This is an anti-town move.
Why make a case on me and end it with deflections to other players?

[Varsoon]

Dat double-post.

[Varsoon]

Level one scum is scum acting like scum.
It fools some higher-level players since they can't see why scum would play scum.

@Xiao: I don't support chain-lynches, but, on the real, I kinda agree. Cherry needs pressure on D2, especially depending on who the NK is.

In regards to JMO's allcaps, didn't I mention this earlier? We'd get him to L-2 and he'd call us stupid?

@Cherry: I don't support a Saki lynch at all.

[Varsoon]

I don't support Meta evidence, but:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4787887
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4784809
and
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4828742


JMO always does this when he's in danger of being lynched as scum.

[Varsoon]

And by this, I mean, he gets really Chuffed.

[Varsoon]

Compare to when he's going down early in:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=26107
or
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=24512

[Varsoon]

@Oriole: Taking pages from the link in his sig.
He's only been lynched as scum twice, I believe.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, a general rule of thumb is to put images/video behind a spoiler= tag.

Also, Titus, that's an animated GIF

[Varsoon]

Jmo is totes scum. He's a pretty dodgy player in general, like the kind of person who says "You guys are idiots" when votes amass on him. Dunno if that's a null-tell for him, but it's just plain scummy in my perspective so I'm putting him down in the naughty list.

I don't wanna die early, but if dying early is what it takes for scum to get lynched, eh. It's worth.

[Varsoon]

Titus, <3
Sorry for being a total shitlord to you. If we both make it out of this alive, I'll buy you candy.

Anyway, yeah, JMO wagon for all these above reasons!

[Varsoon]

@JMO: Those bits are from when you're hammered/at L-1. I find that in your games when you're scum, you start insulting people a lot earlier.

@Cherry: Sorry for supporting the wagon I believe in with evidence?

[Varsoon]

Besides, my case relies on other evidence than what I'm drawing from meta, so it's not really a point against me. If you read what I've written in this very game, you'd know that I don't like using meta-evidence as the -basis- for a case, but if it's supporting evidence, I don't mind so much.
What's important is that, in this game, independent of all others, JMO is scummy.

[Varsoon]

Cherry, I did bring town meta evidence.
JMO tried to refute with town-meta evidence too,
and I called the point that he insults people earlier (around L-3/L-2) as scum and he consistently does it.

[Varsoon]

Regardless, I don't feel like the insult-point of the JMO case needs elaboration. Let it lie where it is.
Instead, there's plenty of other ways to read JMO's scummy play in this game.

[Varsoon]

@Titus: I agree on the mudslinging and the candy. Maybe we should pick up some Dr. Pepper. It's the drink of intellectuals. Also, I'll refrain from hilting on Cherry so hard. I should focus my efforts on JMO.

[Varsoon]

@Cherry: They're either smart scum or actually town. Seeing as I have Saki as a hard-boiled town read and Bulbazak's slot as null, I'm going with the latter.
If I get hammered now, it was fun and I'd like to be in some other games with all of you guys. I hope I could bring a refreshing experience to the table, and if my play made you tear your hair out, well, that's half of what I was shooting for anyway. :3

[Varsoon]

I'm a bit iffy on this town, but I trust them to make the right lynch.

[Varsoon]

@Titus: Then howabout coke floats or something? We could go to Sonic, they have all kinds of neat drink specials.

@JMO: It's a bit weak, when I did bring town meta evidence.

I'm not that worried about a quickhammer, to be honest.

[Varsoon]

@Titus: I don't play like this in all of my games, promise. <3

@Saki: What's got you skeptical of Cherry and holding onto a town read of Titus?

@Oriole: Fair enough. While more people are active, there's still a lot that aren't here.

[Varsoon]

Gah, I meant JMO.

I just can't get you off my mind, Titus.

[Varsoon]

@Oriole: In reference to my earlier post, I meant to write JMO instead of Titus.
I'd just like to know -why- Saki is suspicious of Cherry (I have my own reasons for my suspicion) and -why- Saki has JMO as a town-read.
To answer your exact question, though. Not really.

[Varsoon]

@Pasche:

[Varsoon]

[Varsoon]

You forgot Sonic.

[Varsoon]

Waiting. Neither of the wagons seems like it will budge, so it feels like we need Oriole, Saki, and Bulbz to really give input.
Oriole is waiting for Bulbz and Dys.
I think Saki has town-reads on both me and JMO.
Bulbz is catching up.
Dys is AFK

[Varsoon]

Dunno about Stubbz, Flench, or TV.

[Varsoon]

I've laid out my entire case against JMO
JMO laid out his entire case against me.
Others have staked their cases against one or the other.

[Varsoon]

*Gets hopes up, then they are immediately shattered*
Bauss, you do terrible things to a boy's heart.

[Varsoon]

For the record, I think it took Xiao two days or so to catch up.

[Varsoon]

Right on, that makes sense on the Bulbazak angle. Just wish this game could have some activity. I suppose that's the woe of only being in one game.

[Varsoon]

Well, as of now.
As of noooow.

[Varsoon]

I've got you on a clock now, Flench. 12ish hours, man.

[Varsoon]

That's the brilliance of being Varsoon.
You can cut like a scalpel or burn the whole town down.

[Varsoon]

Man, Xiao, playing with you is too much fun.

[Varsoon]

And on townreading JMO!
Zing!

[Varsoon]

Well, of course. I am a Lord of Shit. From atop my throne, I know all things, scummy, slanderous, absurd, and otherwise.

We've got 9 days. Trust me, there won't be a nolynch.

[Varsoon]

Oh, which one?

Also, yeah, I know, we're on the same page as far as the lynching goes.

[Varsoon]

Oh, well, yeah, I guess so.
Power of Friendship,
It Can't Be Helped,
etc etc.

[Varsoon]

Hehehe, c'mon, we can post more if you want.

[Varsoon]

[Varsoon]

@Stubbs: Examples, please.
Refer to where I said that I was damned if I do and damned if I don't. I'm making a case on my top D1 scumspec. If you think that's survivalist, then you're reading me wrong.
Lynching me based on filler posts is a policy lynch. We've been over why that's a weak reason to lynch someone.

[Varsoon]

If I was playing a survival-game, I wouldn't have done nearly as many absurd backflips in logic as I have in this game.
I wouldn't have claimed VT,
and I probably wouldn't have CC'd Saki.
Basically, anything that you can perceive as 'trying to live' is what someone on Level 2 would do to try to live.
I'm on another level.

[Varsoon]

@Stubbs:
Hardly.
The fact that I counter-claimed Roleblocker is not speculation, it's a fact. It happened.
I also claimed revoked that counter-claim and claimed VT.
I explained why I originally claimed, why I stuck with it for so long, and why I finally claimed VT.

By your definition, simply saying that I'm trying to do anything to survive is speculation/Wifom.
Ergo, your own argument defeats your own argument.
That's Intertextuality, Bitch.

[Varsoon]

You've got manifold paths before you, Stubbs. You can vote for any player, regardless of if you believe in my claim or any of my posts. Independent of that, you should vote for who you think is scum, or, if you're scum, you should be trying your hardest to protect your investments.

The cases have been raised against me. I've refuted them as well as I can.
The cases have been raised against JMO. He's done his part as well.
There are 11 other players, 10 of which you don't know the alignment of, either.
I suggest you do work. I've done work, and what do I have to show for it? People have my wagon at L-2. The ends justify the means, especially when the ends are me confirming scum and half of town for myself and for others.

[Varsoon]

Speaking towards the 'fluff' recently, in light of what I've laid out to you in 1497, you need to understand that the current game stall that we're experiencing is a wait for inactive players to join back in the discussion of the game (these players include Dyslexicon and Bulbazak, primarily) and for other players to react to what they have to say.

We could either have a thread that isn't moving at all, or a place that fosters fun, companionship, and a carefree atmosphere. Which would you rather refresh and come back to while -nothing is happening-?
If you'd like something to happen otherwise, lay out a case, bring up new evidence, or do something else that'll challenge the current path that this game is taking.
Otherwise, using the fluff of the game as an argument against any player is weak as far as the actual game goes.

If you'd like to ask me any questions that you feel are conducive towards the game, feel free to do so.
If you'd like to contribute to the relaxed, carefree, and open-armed environment that I'm hoping to promote while the game is moving slowly, you can do that as well.
Otherwise, don't come around slinging mud and crying wolf.

[Varsoon]

That said, here's a GIF for your time:

Spoiler:

[Varsoon]

Saki, even I don't know what you're talking about.

[Varsoon]

In better terms,
Please elaborate.

[Varsoon]

@Stubbs: It can be interpreted as such, yes. That's why I had two other posts after that one that explained what you could do independent of that.

@Saki: Can you explain your scumread on Stubbs?
And, yeah, I'd like you to elaborate on your earlier post. More info is always a good thing.

[Varsoon]

I've already explained why arguments against my fluff are amount to null.
Keep trying.

[Varsoon]

Interpretable.
I refuted the point that my fluff posting was anti-town.

[Varsoon]

Did fluff posting cloud town judgement?
Did fluff posting dispel either of our wagons?
Did fluff posting critically impact the game in any negative way?

[Varsoon]

@JMO: All of those are assumptions.
Also, if my fluff means I'm more likely scum and I am scum, then it didn't cloud town's judgement, unless you're accepting that I'm town, in which case, seeing my fluff as scummy would be a cloud of town's judgement.
Ergo, you just subconsciously conceited I'm town.


@Oriole: Please, explain the parts that confused you. I'll try to sort it out.

[Varsoon]

@Rank: On Another Level, etc etc.

[Varsoon]

It's a bit loaded for me to discuss, if you understand.
Feel free to ask me any questions you have. I'll be as punctual and concise as I can be.

[Varsoon]

Hardly. People, in this game, have complained that my play has been difficult to follow, and, ultimately, confusing.
Since I've already gotten all the info I want out of playing a confusing approach to the game, I'm now playing a straightforward approach, since it's the best way to catch scum at this current point in the flow of the game.

Try again.

[Varsoon]

It currently behooves both the playerbase and myself to be as transparent as possible, and that's what I'm trying to do.
I'd suggest that, if you're town as well, you should do that, but I'm fairly certain that you aren't town, JMO.

[Varsoon]

@Oriole: You don't have any questions for me?
I'd be happy to clear up any confusion about my play so far.

@Stubbs: Hardly so. This is a game with a lot of posts in it, but the fluff is easily identifiable as such and can be glossed over. If anything, it's a breath of fresh air in the incredibly dense amount of discussion that's happened in this game.

[Varsoon]

Furthermore, it's each player's responsibility to keep up with the game thread. If you can't handle the flow of the game, or think that you can't responsibly follow it any longer, then replace out for the sake of the people who can. If someone replaces in, they do so knowing this is a game with a D1 of over 1500 posts.

@Oriole: What you said. I feel as though the 'fluff' argument against me is a means of grasping at straws. Fluff, in most games, is null, and in this one, especially so. Even our confirmed town has posted fluff.
Ah, my feelings on Flench.
Flench is an active lurker in my eyes. The maps and charts Flench provided prove that Flench keeps up with the thread.
Initially, I was excited and interested by the analysis that Flench gave us. It was a breath of fresh air and showed that Flench wasn't just scum coasting through to an easy victory. Furthermore, I saw the charts as a point of trajectory that could be used against scum!Flench in a longer game, so there was town motivation for posting them from my PoV at the time.
However, given Flench's quick hopping on my wagon and rather distastefully inarticulated reasons for doing so, I put Flench in a scummier pool. In retrospect, his charts allow him an easy way of arguing for any of the wagons he provided there, which allowed him to attack any of the likely players up for lynch early in the day. He's not contributed very much to the game at all, and has largely lurked and done very little hunting of scum--just analysis of current trends and plopping a rather safe, coasting vote.

[Varsoon]

It's not simply that one vote. A quick ISO of Flench shows that he pokes his head in just to make incediary remarks and hardly contribute at all.
There's a lack of scum-hunting
Definitive active-lurking
Supporting a major, telegraphed, safe-to-join wagon
and giving himself options to shift to the other handful of safe-to-join wagons at the time.

He hasn't done anything but produce harsh, inarticulated, often-parroted and empty criticisms.

[Varsoon]

The things that impressed an initial town-call on me was the dedication behind hand-made work contributed to the game and it being a large contribution after he had lurked for so long.
The problem is that the content of his contribution was only helpful for town in the means that it allows town to better track his play throughout the game. It didn't propose anything dramatically new for town, nor did it solidify any cases on anyone.

[Varsoon]

I don't understand what you mean by your question, Cherry.
Please rephrase.

If you'd like me to explain why I have a scummier read on you than before, I can do that as well.

[Varsoon]

In regards to your question in 1533:
I think that Flench is scummy. This isn't a new turn of events. Feel free to refer to earlier posts of mine that speak towards this stance.

[Varsoon]

Furthermore, CherryDP, you shouldn't be surprised to come back to a thread with posts in it, even if there is fluff.
It's rude to dismiss your fellow player's posts as 'crap'. Everything in-game is worth reading, because it's a conscious contribution from another player.
We've been over the SK analysis and I've already dropped that there's no use in that sort of speculation. What's important now is to catch a single scum/SK player, rather than setup-speculate.
I've been over why I think your hydra is scummy. I won't repeat myself unless you'd like me to give you a concise breakdown of my case on you, or if another player asks for it. Otherwise, read the thread and don't dismiss posts as fluff or crap.
Everyone should understand the difference between lurking and inactivity. I've already explained why when I bring up Lurking as scummy in my cases, why the individual case of lurking is scummy. Please, don't be so pedantic and condescending.

[Varsoon]

In response to 1539: Yes. We've been over this in the thread so far.

In response to 1540: We've already been over the quality and reason behind (at least) my engagement on the GiF and anime discussion fluff. Drop it. Furthermore, your earlier post specified 'either crap or fluff' was posted. This literally means that the things that weren't fluff were interpreted as crap. I'm warning you against playing so rudely. It's not cool. I'm not saying you're scummy for being a rude dude, I'm saying you're being a rude dude.

Your say in the SK exchange is noted.
If you think that the difference between lurking and inactivity is a significant topic of discussion that will help town a lot, bring it to the fore-front and highlight player's posts that seem to show that they don't understand the dichotomy. Otherwise, it's pedantic and contrary to the game to mention it.

P-EDIT: People post when you don't. I generally evoke a higher post-per-minute presence in games that I am in. I've been in two of the largest game-days on site. You shouldn't be surprised, given the flow of the game so far. In fact, you should pay especial attention to those 15 pages rather than skim them. Important things happened there.

[Varsoon]

@Cherry:
In response to 1547: I knew I would piss some people off. I acknowledged that. You're not the only person I've chided, I believe. Just relax and enjoy the game. Catch the scum and win, unless it's not part of your wincon to do so.
In response to 1548: Not signing your posts isn't really confusing. I could care less who is posting and representing the Hydra. It takes up one slot. If you're referring to my first game on-site, where town lost due to Fuzzy and my play, then, yes, that was an instance where confusing town caused town to lose. I'd like to think that I've gotten a lot more experience on-site since then, and my current tactics are far different from the ones employing by Fuzzy in that game. If you're worried about a similar scenario, simply don't let me and townies who are confused by me both get into a lylo situation. Ergo--lynch the scum.


@Titus: I believe that Oriole thinks certain Night Actions will happen that'll influence the ~reasons~ and that mentioning it now might make whoever is responsible for those night actions not commit them/play differently.

[Varsoon]

The trick, Oriole, is not mentioning it at all.

[Varsoon]

Just putting in my two cents.

[Varsoon]

@TV/Rank:

Spoiler:

I'll actually be afk for a bit later today, so you won't have to deal with me perma-hawking the thread.
It's my only active game and I just moved to a city where I know nobody.

[Varsoon]

Congrats.
That game is not this game.
If you -still- think I'm scum and we're anywhere close to Lylo, lynch me.

[Varsoon]

Caught back up.
Pasche is exhausted with me,
JMO still needs to die.

That is all.

[Varsoon]

@Stubbs: You're terrible and I hope town can see that before this game ends. You can clearly see his anxiousness for the mislynch and the deflation of it with his sigh post.

@Flench: Misrep me harder. I've already explained why my read on you isn't an OMGUS.

@JMO: Anxious for my lynch, much?

@Dys: I was expecting more when you got back.

Anyway, I gotta go use the jon, then I'm going out on the town. Lemme come back before you do anything too brash.

[Varsoon]

Cherry, I feel like you're mocking me.
I love it, for the record.

[Varsoon]

My masochism is a null tell, Saki.

[Varsoon]

Also, Sakura, you probably shouldn't link OR talk about ongoing games, in any capacity.
The mods have guns, too.

[Varsoon]

Oh, I just read the front-end that mods usually update to track the game and thought it had just began. D:

[Varsoon]

I missed the huge text at the top saying game was over, D:
I am a shit, excuse me.

[Varsoon]

Also, woah, that's only a 12 page game, really?
I can't fathom how town won with such little info.

[Varsoon]

Also, I can't really see the parallels between a 12 page game and this one, especially when the 12-pager ended in a town win and you're using it as evidence of town confusion having a negative effect on town's effectiveness.

[Varsoon]

Isn't Cherry's point that they did?

[Varsoon]

"I'm getting nowhere, you guys are getting into loops, both town and scum tho."

Anyway,
Town's got way more info to play on in this game, which means their lynches are more informed, which is a damn good thing.
If you think this game is 67 pages of spam, then you should get a new prescription.

[Varsoon]

I'm a fan of Dr. Pepper.
It's the drink of intellectuals.

[Varsoon]

Spoiler:

It's one of the better dark colas.

[Varsoon]

Do you see why lynching me over talking about the delicious flavor of Dr. Pepper is a policy lynch?

[Varsoon]

Which also doesn't really merit a lynch.
I've explained (and so have many others) why JMO is legitimately scummy.

@Cherry: Sorry, assuming too much. So is talking about Dr. Pepper cool, then?
And if you think spam hurts the game,

Spoiler:

You're so second level

instead of the wasted posts where you encourage, respond to it, and dwell on it, you're mistaken.

[Varsoon]

You talk about it enough that's what it feels you're lynching me over.

[Varsoon]

A lot of people have posted GIFs and fluff. It's irrelevant, so move on.

This.
I've said this before.
It only happens when you encourage it.

Spoiler:

Furthermore, it's fun.
And if you hate fun, then get out.

[Varsoon]

@Titus: I was going to mention it, but it'd be a bit hypocritical. You'd think people would not take a page from my book when I was being deliberately scummy to cull attention.

[Varsoon]

I think i've hinted towards my alignment many times already

Where?

[Varsoon]

@cherry: The PR outed himself, I merely checked for validity and saved us a mislynch. Thank me later.

@Oriole: I fucking fell for it.

[Varsoon]

No, I told you.

[Varsoon]

I'm not going on a wild goose chase.
Either procure the posts with hints or stop mentioning it.

[Varsoon]

You're not going to have someone else prove you're town for you, though.
That's the last thing that's going to happen, Cherry.

[Varsoon]

@Saki:

Spoiler:

Closing in on the 3rd largest day for a mini... Only like 10 more posts.

I bet this is why people are spamming the thread

you got me

We're having serious discussion right now, and tracking towards being at least the 2nd biggest day in a micro.

This town really is a bunch of hounds.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, it's a bit absurd.
Right now, I'm doing my best to unpack my cases against players I think are scummy before the mislynch that might happen on me.
Really, it seems like today's lynch is either going to be me or JMO.
I've already explained why it should be JMO, more than once.

As far as things getting us nowhere, I disagree. You should be able to read every player with more clarity due to the sheer amount of interaction there's been in this game.

[Varsoon]

@Titus: I agree with the active-player-bloc idea. It could be good pressure, although we risk a quicklynch without the info from our pressure if we do that.

@Saki: I did, but nothing I say has any potency anymore, apparently. More than that, when I say it, scum can just write it off as me trying to 'do everything and anything to survive'.

[Varsoon]

@JMO: Saki's exposing you and working his best and you suffocate his voice? Sure is pro-town of you.
My arguments against Cherry are as follows:
Cherry took a backdoor to the Saki v Titus v Varsoon conflict and voted on the wagons that were most 'town' to do so.
Cherry's current play is often conflicts itself and earlier anti-Varsoon reads, as the Hydra is making use of tactics that it called me out for being scummy on.
Cherry tried to curry town favor by passing my hammer to Pasche.
Cherry's still on the safest wagon to be on, despite Cherry's motivations for being there reflecting a desire for a policy lynch rather than lynching me for a Varsoon-is-scum argument.

Ultimately, Cherry is a highly opportunistic player who parrots the safest wagons, overtly tries to cull town favor, and is pushing for what can be seen as a policy lynch from Cherry's PoV. Furthermore, the content of Cherry's scum-hunting (if there is any) is incredibly low. Cherry hasn't produced anything new since voting me, and has tunneled me because it's safe to do so.

JMO, please read the thread. We've explained why Cherry is scum multiple times--and I do mean

we

, as in, more players than just me.

[Varsoon]

Has everyone forgotten I still have my finger pointed towards Titus

Case on Titus?

[Varsoon]

Flench, if you can't credit that Saki has points in his posts, and you've got to comment on that fact, you're spamming the thread just as much by providing that useless analysis.


@Saki: It's more and more obvious the more Cherry posts.
And, nah, I'd just like you to roll it out for me. I understand the town paranoia angle and feeling that Titus is playing it safe/trying to vote on the wagon that'll get the most towncred, thus her hesitance, but I'm reading that as null/town right now. My interactions with Titus have informed me of town motivation behind her posts. I'd like you to articulate and add on to your Titus case, if you don't mind.

[Varsoon]

Also, please tuck away ANOTHER instance of Flench poking his head into the thread to toss around incendiary, baseless remarks and do nothing but promise info and further parrot a safe wagon.

[Varsoon]

@Titus: I think I went even further to verify Saki's claim, to be honest. If Saki is scum roleblocker, then I deserve to be fooled.


Not to answer for Titus, but a very

Varsoon

answer would be that you're just attempting higher-level play.
The problem is that you can't do that and then call attention to it.

[Varsoon]

Sakura's scum motivation behind saying 'lynch all liars' and voting me is:
1- Lynch all liars is a scummy AtE. Since it can be interpreted as null, it's the perfect guise for scum!Cherry to hide behind.
2- Voting me is safe. There's been a myriad of cases made against me. Scum can hide in any one of those. Ergo, voting me doesn't make someone town.
Now, reading both of these points as, at best, null, the rest of my case on Cherry stands. Cherry is scummy.

Don't see how 1743 is me claiming scum. I'm simply referencing my levels approach to WIFOM.

[Varsoon]

The only person confirmed town right now is Paschendale, by the way.

[Varsoon]

Cherry, here's the flaw in your retort in 1752:
I never said that you voted me early because it was safe.
You put FoS on the safe wagons between me, Titus, and Saki.
And this is true.
In fact, your support of those wagons and negligence to vote and seriously drive them is scummy, in my eyes.

Also, there's at least 7 people in the game who have supported votes on me after my VT claim. It's a safe vote and it goes with public consensus.

There's no reason for you to claim now.
Are you really so scummy that you'd claim after this minimal amount of pressure?


@Saki: Of course he agrees with you. You're the vote he wants on my wagon.

@Cherry: By your logic in 1751, riddle me this:
What was my scum motivation to claiming scum, fake-claiming Town Role Blocker, then claiming VT? Drawing so much attention to myself would be against a scum wincon, by your logic, right?
Ergo, your vote on me is bullshit.

[Varsoon]

I'm also laughing at JMO's "Yes, yes, vote anyone but me!" approach here.

[Varsoon]

I'm saying this to CherryDrPepper,
Who takes up one slot in this game,
who I will address as one slot in this game.

[Varsoon]

I think this is appropriate.

[Varsoon]

Hey, I'm about to head out.
I'll be back later tonight.

[Varsoon]

@Bulbazak:
You replaced into a game that was 50 pages and growing at the time. Don't give me that "Oh Im just gonna hammer cus I can't read" shit. That's irresponsible and anti-town as fuck.
I've laid out the town motivation behind my play already, but here's it -again-.
Read post 1089 .
800 posts from then, I've pressured Flench, JMO, and Cherry and gotten scummier reads on all of them.
I've done more work than anyone else in this game.
Calling me useless is a bitter, cynical, and outright wrong statement.

[Varsoon]

Cherry assumes some sort of intimacy between Titus and I. There's no way we could have made such a coordinated play as a scum-team unless we had daytime QT.
Surprise, there's not Daytime QT in this setup, unless DBK is running it bastard.
You're flailing and grasping at straws, Cherry.
Check Mate.

[Varsoon]

Cherry, Titus, Varsoon, and Saki should POST NOTHING for the next two days.

I'm down with this.
However, if someone proposes something as anti-town, irresponsible, and plain slanderous as Bulbazak has, you bet I'll come into the game and expose them for it.

[Varsoon]

There's a pre-game scum QT? Thanks for letting me know that, CherryDP.

Your 'slip' was hardly a slip. You outright typed "HEY GUYS I HAVE BEEN HINTING AT MY ROLE AND ALIGNMENT"
WHOOOOOPS SLIPPY SLIPPY I AM TOWN

Vote: Cherry

I'm sick of this.
JMO is terrible, but you've given 140 more posts of equal and worse content.

@Bulbazak: Was referencing other instances people have called me useless in this game. Just catch up with the game at your pace and make an informed decision. I feel like the cases against every player on today's chopping block have been laid out almost a dozen times, from a dozen angles. Present your own, don't just parrot other people, and we'll be cool.

[Varsoon]

You're informed on a lot of QTs, Cherry.
I've been scum on this site two/three times, iirc. I never had a pre-game QT.

I need to stop posting, though.
I've laid out who I think is scum, why, and where.
At this point, it feels like further struggling and creating strife is something scum wants me to do.


Cherry, go ahead. Play the Saki card. It won't help you.

[Varsoon]

@Saki: I've never been in a game with a pre-game QT as scum. Check my played games if you don't believe me.
It's not hypocritical to tell you that you're making a poor play.
Saki's claim checked out -because- I CC'd him, pressured, and finally exposed Saki as noob!town claiming TRB.
I can't exactly do that against you,
and you're a hydra, not noob town.
You deliberately started talking about your role/alignment in order to found the argument that you feel that Titus and I are buddies/Rolefishing.
It's not rolefishing when we never put incredibly hard pressure on you and at L-6 you're already claiming to be a PR.
Also, why should your alignment matter at all if you're town?


You're scummy as can be, Cherry.
There's no way out of this one.

[Varsoon]

@Cherry: Everyone in this game already assumed 3 non-town players.
You're too focused on 'slips' and making pseudo-cases.

[Varsoon]

I should note that after the first line in my 1936, I am speaking to Cherry.

[Varsoon]

You're so dense.
Read the setup and re-read what Titus wrote and you'd realize how much you're squirming right now.

[Varsoon]

I say that I think it's better off to lynch Varsoon first, since he CC'd RB even in joke, there's a high chance he's the actual roleblocker.

It wasn't a 'joke'. It was pressure to make sure Saki wasn't scum claiming roleblocker.

[Varsoon]

You can continue to slander me, but I read the setup about 1000 posts ago when Titus asked me to.
There's a minimum of 3 mafia players in this game, a maximum of 4. Mafia-faction players include Serial Killer.
It's not a slip to say that there's the minimum amount of mafia players in the game.
You're just trying to expose it as one.


Cherry, I'm not defending a 'slip'.
I'm showing everyone in this thread that you're obnoxious, obvious scum.
Continue to try to paint this interaction as me defending Titus and I'll continue to expose how you're deflecting evidence with slander.

You're scum.
You've been caught.
Get over it.

[Varsoon]

Yes, we can be certain there are -at least- three mafia.
It's not a slip, you're just grasping for straws.
It should be obvious at this point that you've lost this argument.

[Varsoon]

There's also no way for us to confirm your PR claim.
It's exclusive information, so basing your defense on that alone is worthless.
Instead, your PR claim looks like a poor response to a tiny amount of pressure--a likely hydra gambit you devised to try to accuse Titus and I of being scum together.
Now you're blatantly buddying Saki with a hope that Saki will join your Titus wagon because you've got no traction so far.
It's transparent, Cherry.
You can drop it now.

[Varsoon]

Saki's not a good control for what is true and what isn't.
You can drop it now.

[Varsoon]

You know who I believe would want to live through the night?
Serial Killer (especially) or scum.
And that's a weak argument from you, Cherry, since if you fail to 'confirm' anything, you can claim you've been roleblocked.
You can drop it now.

[Varsoon]

I'll censor fluff or mindless posting in regards to someone catching up/thread rate, but I won't censor myself from pressuring potential scum.

@Flench: What else do you call it when someone is making cases out of everything they can get their hands on, no matter how insubstantial, especially in the light of pressure?

[Varsoon]

No, Cherry, town's misguided enough to not lynch you despite you playing an obvious scum-game.
Why would you even claim a PR on D1 after all of the headache that it's caused so far for town?
It's scummy to do so, since you either
A- Openly exposed another PR to scum
or
B- Are fake-claiming a PR in order to build a case versus whoever you want/appear more town.

Either way, it was a poor, anti-town move.
Analyze that with your play prior and it's transparent that you're mafia-aligned.
Drop the PR act.
Why would you mention alignment so much as if it mattered?


There's no way to be certain there's a roleblocker on the mafia team.
Drop it.

[Varsoon]

No, we don't know that you're a PR at all, Cherry.
We know that you claimed PR of your own volition.
But we can't confirm that right now.
So no, you're not a PR, and any case or evidence you raise based off of that is useless, since it relies on exclusive information.
Furthermore, I explained how drawing attention to yourself could easily be scum-motivated, and that your argument over attention-mongering being a town maneuver is hypocritical given your case on me.
You tell me why you'd make such an outburst.
You can drop it now.

[Varsoon]

You're playing on the second level, Cherry. You're appealing to first-level logic.
You can drop it now.

[Varsoon]

It's scum motivated, Flench.
Easy to see, and I've already tracked it for you in my pressure on Cherry today.
Still waiting for Cherry to Drop it.

[Varsoon]

@Xiao: I agree with either Lynch, but Cherry seriously needs to be pressured and ravaged for the last three dozen posts he's made. JMO and Cherry are both incredibly scummy, for different reasons.

[Varsoon]

I think JMO's coasting now that this Cherry debacle has exploded, to be honest.
Then again, JMO's been coasting all game.

[Varsoon]

@Saki: Where?
My motivation for CCing you was to ascertain if you were lying about your early role-claim.

[Varsoon]

Xiao, that's the trick. You just say the same words over again and louder.

[Varsoon]

Hardly. I expected scum-Saki to scramble, to build a poorly articulated case against me, and play a generally level-two scum-game.
Instead, Saki responded in a genuinely noobtown level one manner.
Take, for instance, the pressure that is currently being put on Cherry.
I don't expect Cherry to say he's scum,
but every move Cherry makes while scrambling speaks towards a scummy alignment.

[Varsoon]

If I could sigh harder, my sigh would be a Korean pop star.

@Flench: I hadn't read the setup, so my CC did lose a lot of its strength. I've admitted to this play being shitty due to that. Please read the rest of this post for why my CC was still effective as a test.
@Saki: Titus defended the strength of my CC due to the less than 1% chance that there'd be two roleblockers in the setup. I tested him on this to make sure he wasn't just buddying, and he wasn't. Feel free to read the game again.
@JMO: Refuted. Don't think you'll escape so easily.

[Varsoon]

@Saki: What is? I'm not lynching you ever.

[Varsoon]

@Saki: I don't know who you're responding to, please be more specific.

@JMO: It isn't buddying to say that I won't be putting a vote on someone I personally went through the trouble of confirming town.
So, Drop it.

[Varsoon]

@Xiao: I read the Setup when Titus told me to and posted it in thread.

[Varsoon]

@JMO: Read the thread.
Saki's response to my CC and the pressure I put on Saki was genuinely town in response. Saki held fast to his claim, didn't try to use the CC to cull votes against me, and deployed rhetoric that was soundly town. While it might not be enough evidence for other players, from my interactions with Saki in the last 2000 posts, I've discerned that Saki is town.

[Varsoon]

@JMO: You're right. Only the mod can confirm someone as town.
Addendum: I am reading Saki as very-likely-to-be town.

Also, I support what Flench said. Give us reads with at least one sentence for each player that supports that read.

Time is not an issue. It's 2:20 AM here. Get dedicated or get out.

[Varsoon]

As it turns out, you can post a reads-list and study for Calc.

[Varsoon]

[Varsoon]

If he's really studying and not just avoiding giving info again,
Yeah, that's a boss site.

[Varsoon]

Your vote is your own to cast. It's refreshing to see more people siding with my judgment on my scum-specs, given how much effort I've put into this game.

[Varsoon]

Speculation's not going to get us far. It'll help on D2 or D3, but not so much on D1.

[Varsoon]

Just caught up again.
JMO is nowhere,
Stubbz is terrible
Cherry is -still- terrible.

Vote: JMO

I support both Cherry and JMO hanged.

[Varsoon]

Titus has supported a JMO lynch for awhile, so I wouldn't be surprised.
Inb4 low-level WIFOM.

[Varsoon]

Wait, Saki, that doesn't even make sense. Titus is already on the wagon.

[Varsoon]

Saki, dude, I've given proper, independent reasons for why I support the JMO wagon. All day, too.

[Varsoon]

Yeah, Varsoon, hand me his case in three concise sentences.

WHAM I USED THE QUOTE BUTTON~

1. JMO refuses to produce content when asked, and often dodges pressure with IRL excuses.
2. JMO hasn't done any scum hunting this game/has solely tunneled me.
3. JMO's efforts on my wagon have been minimal--he's only parroted what other players have said and repeated "Varsoon is scum, let's lynch him" over and over.

We have meta-analysis from me that proves otherwise.
The sad thing is that JMO's town and scum meta are very similar.
The big difference is when he's town, he gets mad at town and tries to whip them into shape with several good, concise points and he only really complains when he's at L-1 or lynched.
Scum-JMO complains around L-3/2, and does way less work than town JMO.


@Cherry:
You exposed yourself.
Stop blaming other people.
It's transparent.
So, please, Drop it.

[Varsoon]

@Cherry: See the -other- reasons I have for JMO being scum. There's several.
And he did that at L-3. With very small, single sentences. Town-JMO posts longer posts than that when he's mad.

@Oriole: I've been processing that one for awhile.

@Saki, I've always supported Meta being bullshit for the -basis- of a case, but as supporting evidence, it's fine.
Also, those are all very different points,
You wanna see a text-wall?
This game is a 90 page text-wall against JMO.

[Varsoon]

@Saki: I've already refuted the 'rolefishing' point against me.
JMO is pretty likely to be scum. I believe it. You should, too.

[Varsoon]

Leaving my vote on Stubbs for now, although I'm looking vaguely in Titus's direction.

Why don't you support either of today's leading wagons?

[Varsoon]

@Oriole: Fair enough. What do you see as scummy plays, rather than anti-town ones?

[Varsoon]

@Cherry: Day won't end without a lynch, promise you that much.

@Oriole: Do you see Cherry as anti-town instead of scum, then?
Explain what's scum about Stubbz. You've had a pretty outlying vote, and that's interesting.

@Saki: Interpretable. Cherry's not a PR, though.

[Varsoon]

@Saki: I don't really see Titus' vote on Cherry as a fish for a claim. Besides, Cherry isn't a PR.

@Oriole: Elaborate. I was paranoid of Cherry for wanting to lynch between Saki, Titus, and I, but you might be onto something with Stubbz.

[Varsoon]

I do agree that, regardless of PR or not, it'll be easier to judge Cherry's alignment on D2.

[Varsoon]

I don't think Cherry's a PR based off of the forced nature of the softclaim and Cherry's play leading into and out of it. Especially when Cherry threw his hands in the air and decided to be nonsensical.

@Oriole: I agree, but I've had the opposite perspective--I've seen Stubbz as anti-town and JMO as scum. The contradictions that you've pointed out are really compelling, though. I'd like to see Stubbz pressured.

Vote: StubbsKVM

@Saki: Well, when you're town, scummy people that aren't you are good to vote on. Budumtish.

[Varsoon]

@Saki: You realize there's at least 3 scum in this game, right? JMO's scum. I believe that. I could end the day right now with a JMO lynch.
However, Stubbz might be scum. Since there's the possibility, I want to pressure him and figure out if it's true or not.
Ergo, -this is scum hunting-, Saki.

[Varsoon]

Remove all the spam and we're not even close.

How do you think those other games got there?

[Varsoon]

inb4 Stubbs OMGUS on Oriole.

It'd be a level-2 play complimenting Stubbs style for sure.

[Varsoon]

@Flench: Nah, I care.

[Varsoon]

Bauss, you're fun to play with,
but please consider the following:
Cherry, Flench, Stubbs, JMO.

[Varsoon]

@TV: I just wanna hang those people I mentioned.
Mostly JMO, Flench, and Cherry.

[Varsoon]

@Oriole: I'm gonna seal the coffin on Stubbs based on his response. My vote is for scumhunting/pressure.

@JMO: It's k, bro. Just post.

[Varsoon]

Oh man scum hunting is so scummy and inconsistent with the scum hunting Varsoon has been doing all game, better try to misrep it.

[Varsoon]

Like I said, I'm fine with a JMO lynch today, but more info is always good.

[Varsoon]

@Flench: You haven't done enough of it, and the hunting you've done so far reflects majority sensibilities. Trust me, you're not nearly as high on my scum-list as Cherry/JMO.