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[Saki]

lurking

I feel obligated to fling shit back at the lurkers and provide a giant wall since everyone loves them so much, but I'm lazy.

[Saki]

lurking

I feel obligated to fling shit back at the lurkers and provide a giant wall since everyone loves them so much, but I'm lazy.

Split the difference and put a wall about the lurkers?

What do you think of Paschendale's post not to talk about each other? (Question will not have follow up unless clarification on your thoughts is needed)

Wall to come, to come.

"Shut the fuck up" - subtle, very subtle.

Also, why is Saki less believable than Paschendale regarding the claims?

Pasche said the opposite before, sure it's not a typo
?

Titus, what I asked for has been achieved. You all stopped yelling at each other and the thread can talk about some other things. It's doing that now. Other players are poking their heads up.

Now that Varsoon and I stopped playing chicken the lurkers are out to get us 'cause the lynch didn't happen and they want it to happen between Varsoon and me.
(Obviously none of them have put much effort into reading Varsoon or me or Titus based on all of the posts we posted.)
and that's why every single lurker is scumread.
[strongest]TunnelVision JMO VoteMe Glass Stubbs Dyx[weakest] scumread

[Saki]

The confusion regarding the middle part was due to a typo. That should have read "Why is Saki less believable than Varsoon?" I tried to clarify that in 830. Pasch said "However, I believe his counterclaim more than Saki's original claim." and I want to know why.

I'm looking forward to your wall Saki. That disagrees with my interpretation of the lurkers. I wouldn't even consider TunnelVision a lurker.

asking this again
Wasn't Paschendale saying Varsoon was less believable than my claim a few pages ago? I thought he did.

Why would you not consider TunnelVision a lurker?

[Saki]

The wall's gonna be a bit outdated, mk.
Going to sleep for tonight.

[Saki]

For everyone slinging shit at me for the claim

-Attribute it to my newbiness
but also
-Attribute it to Titus misrep
-Attribute it to "town lurkers"
(-Attribute it to Saki being frustrated at town at that time)

I also explained my reasons for self-voting to L-1. (582)
Now shut the fuck up about it, seriously. *cough* TV and Glass *cough*


Lurker activity pre-Saki-claim (when I was the only potential lynch)

If town thought I was scum, they'd pressure me and hop on the wagon instead of leaving me at L-3 the whole time.
If town thought I was null, they'd pressure/question/try their hardest to read me and then get into the category above or below.
If town thought I was town, they'd try to prevent my lynch.

Now whoever's not doing any of these three pre-claim or even post-claim I have no problem lynching (Tunnel, Stubbs, JMO, Glass, Dyx)
TL: All of my reads on them are going to be scummy by default.

Flench is a special case I'm loving his analysis. Though he needs to apologize for leaving that vote on me the entire time.

Vote Me

Fine with lynching him tomorrow. Hope he says something after he gets back. Apparently he's not hoping to see Varsoon lynched by then, me neither. (Then I'm not fine with lynching him, I guess?)

jmo16mla

I'd stick my vote on this guy if Titus wasn't here. "I wanna lynch someone but I'm not providing any arguments for it nor am I going to defend against points made against me." String him up tomorrow or the day after.

Glass

Fine with lynching him tomorrow. Points he's making obviously show that he's not reading the thread at all. Liking his willingness to not lynch Varsoon and me but he has not provided his thoughts on alternatives and the reasons he gives for not lynching me or Varsoon (613) are pretty much bull.

StubbsKVM

Fine with lynching him tomorrow. Though he did notice the 'saki wants to claim' misrep. Though he does want to lynch JMO who's not Saki or Varsoon. Though he did actually declare V/LA. Don't like him.

CherryDrPepper

Was sure this one was scum, not so sure any more.

TunnelVision

Screams scum. Tunnel me and Varsoon and make a passing remark about Glass. Attempts to make case on scum-Varsoon reads town but I don't like his case. Says he'll tunnel me and Varsoon 'till he gets all his questions answered. Don't see him making any post direct to me so I guess his questions about me have been answered? Not liking him for letting me off the hook that easily.

Titus

His stance on me has taken a huuuuuge 180. I'm scum, you made me claim then doubted that claim and believed Varsoon's and argued my claim for a page before clearing me only to put that vote back on me again.

Recently he's come to saying that I'm newbtown for the exact same reasons he thought I was scum.

She's pretty much solid scum. Lynch her today.

Paschendale

This is just here so my wall is longer.

Saki

Same as Pasche.

Dyslexicon

<3 780 Just wish he was more active. Rather not lynch him.

oriole

Drops in and out with frequent analysis. Less active than most yet, on the iffy line between lurking and contributing. Inactivity is sorta cleared when you consider time for all that analysis and a few days to V/LA. Rather not lynch him.

Flench

Lovely analysis, as I said. Probably too late to request more 'cause I wanted to see more. Inactivity is sorta cleared when you consider a day V/LA and time to do all that analysis (similar to oriole). Rather not lynch him either.

Varsoon

Now, I think he's town. I still have problems with believing everything he says and his interactions with Titus. Also I do have problems with how he seems to focus only on one topic at a time and completely lose sight of others.

I has problems with his playstyle. Don't lynch him it's more likely that he'll die in another fashion.

Drop the numbers argument, please.

Whoever's using it just seems to agree that there can't be two TRBs 'cause it's a 1% chance.
Therefore one of (Saki, Varsoon) is lying and scum.

I don't get the link between this statement and the statement above. ('cause there is no link)

Also before you start sheeping Titus in that fashion

Entertain the chance that me and Varsoon are both town in general.
Entertain the chance that both me and Varsoon are both scum.
Entertain the chance that I'm TRB and Varsoon is the SK (my backup scenario in the case that I decide I don't like him as town anymore).


Or please link how me and Varsoon not being TRB due to numbers lead to the fact that we should lynch between me and him.

[Saki]

outdated wall here.

you yell at me to stfu but you don't say crap to Titus

[Saki]

Also I don't think every lurker is scum but I don't like every one of them.

[Saki]

On Varsoon's wagon

In general, we should not rely on the 1v1 idea. We shouldn't bank on the odds of rolling whatever outcome. We should deduce the scum. Voting based on just an argument from probability is especially bad. Everyone who wants to lynch on that argument should not do so. It essentially makes the vote random and denies us a whole lot of information. We will begin day two without much to go on, regardless of Varsoon's alignment. If there are scum on the wagon, I would contend that they will invoke that argument.


Flench does this, but I otherwise think he's fairly towny. I want to hear more about other people or that read is likely to change.

TunnelVision does this as well, and tries to go to great lengths to defend this awful position. He also gets pissy and claims his argument is better than it is. And is a Hydra, which makes it even more complicated to read. Which head is the pissy one? And the "contradictions" are really nothing more than "Varsoon is kind of weird". They're lousy as an argument. TV is scummy scummy scum scum. And if he's not, the self-importance is going to make him a liability to town.

(1)

Jmo is also relying on the 1v1 scenario. PLEASE CAN WE DROP THIS SHITTY ARGUMENT? That said, he voted Varsoon long before the big long argument, and left his vote there. No re-evaluation and not even a little bit of analysis of anyone else. Scummy.

(2)

Dyslexicon is not pulling any punches, but needs to post more often and, surprise, analyze more people.

Titus is also relying on the 1v1 scenario. Please stop. I think Titus is town from her actions, but scummy from her conclusions.

Leans more towards town for now.

(3)

Anyone whose primary argument for voting Varsoon is "they're probably not roleblockers so we'll lynch Varsoon" needs to move their vote. Especially if they're voting Varsoon because of a townread on Saki.

Especially since there is a significant lack of justification offered for that townread.

(4)

Imagine if you succeed. Who the hell are we going to focus on tomorrow?

Even if Varsoon flips scum, we'll know almost nothing.

(5)

1. His other head is not there.
2. Flench did the exact same thing to me but he gets to be off the hook for it 'cause analysis?
3. Her arguments aren't scummy? ...how?
4. Yer all over the place with your read on me and Varsoon, Pasche.
5. ....I post about buddying. Oriole does an ISO. Flench makes us a 'pair of fighters' list. And you think that a Varsoon lynch will provide no information?

really, pasche.

[Saki]

Scumpick Titus
please don't expect me to make more points against her than I already have

Townpick Varsoon.


@CherryDP
Not sure 'cause 1) I don't interpret walls that well, 2) I'm distracted by people deathtunneling me and Varsoon, 3) you aren't trying to lynch the claimed RBs.

I

had

you down as scummy. With most posts you're inching slowly towards town.


As for why I'm voting Titus but not trying to get her lynched. Currently, this discussion is great I do not want to ruin it by starting to deathtunnel Titus and going 3-4-5 pages with just me Titus and Varsoon again (though I find that more fun ). Also, I do wish to examine the lurkers. Hear what they have to say. Other than 'shut the fuck up Saki' ofc
aaaand
We still have eleven days.
Why rush a lynch

more time = more discussion = more content-filled posts = more stuff to read people for = more chance for us to win
Hurrying a lynch imo isn't town play especially with these lurkers.

The 'lynch X today or tomorrow' lingo was just me trying to get rid of repetition. 'I think X is scum' 'I have a scumread on Y' is getting too old.
If that bothers you, fine. I'll find some other way to say 'Z is scummy'.


To confirm my stance on lynching.
I want Titus strung up D1.
TunnelVision is almost there too but narrowly escaped.
Stubbs/JMO/Glass/Dyx/Vote Me's replacement yer next after Titus.
^
Subject to change over the eleven days we have left.

[Saki]

Damn, CherryDP, that's cold.
And probably true.

Titus ain't the first one to do it.
*cough* *cough*

[Saki]

@Tunnel - DO NOT SUPPOSE I WILL ALWAYS AGREE WITH YOU. I AM NOT YOUR MINI ME! GOT IT!

Anyone else getting a really bad vibe from this.

[Saki]

Xiao Long is replacing Vote Me. Please welcome him to the game!
~DBK

Welcome, Welcome
all of you who didn't you're all uncivilized people

[Saki]

@Dyx

WALL WALL WALL
so 1% chance that we're both trb so we lynch one

that said
it also proves why we shouldn't carry on with this

if you lynch one of us, flips scum the other one will be conf trb?
if you lynch one of us, flips trb the other one is confscum?



Retaking stance.

My reason for not going for a Varsoon lynch today:
1) The chance that varsoon flips town (in general, not just trb). Then I'm confscum? (is the argument being made) Not taking that chance. I have to stay alive, 'cause, you know.
2) Varsoon 'counter-claimed' but isn't trying to get me lynched like that implies. He's afraid of 1) too. Nulltell really, but let him live. 'cause if he survives D1-N1 he'll be in deep shit.

[Saki]

I can't seem to access any sort of QT. *sigh*

[Saki]

@Titus
Thanks.

Why do you feel the need to make that '@all' paragraph?

You were unphased by my claim and Varsoons counterclaim and kept on with your read that I was scum.
You quickly changed that read after we stopped yelling at each other and everyone else started to come back with walls.
Can you explain that?

[Saki]

@Varsoon

I don't see a very active case against TV anywhere. Is that me just not looking hard enough?

[Saki]

The only reason that I don't want to lynch Varsoon today is because him living into N1 means a greater chance for me to live to see D2.

If y'all are risking that then okay go ahead with lynching him.

[Saki]

Saki, you should be fine with dying. Yes, it sucks to lose an rber at night, but that also supposes there is no doctor to save you. The doctor would most likely camp on your house. Even if there is no doctor, Varsoon getting lynched and Saki dying is a perfect 1 for 1 trade at the start of the game.

For your own future reference, it's best to play to want to survive as a PR but don't sabotage the group's efforts because you fear dying.

You don't mind a TRB dying.

Something's fishy.

@Varsoon, what?

[Saki]

Not many ways I'd live if Varsoon is lynched D1.

Almost every single night-action would be on me N1.

Almost confident that my roleblock won't go off, either.

@Varsoon
why 180 now and not earlier?
stop throwing around scumreads, too

[Saki]

@Saki: 180? Hardly. I'm just starting to see the town motivation in TV's case against me, rather than otherwise, where I saw it as a lurker coming out of hiding to actively push a growing wagon. Post 1101 reeks of town, too.
Sorry about throwing scum-reads around, just thinking aloud.

Also, you won't die on N1. You'll only get lynched if town is stupid, and scum wants you to exist until people stop thinking to protect you at night/until lylo. You're useful to both teams right now, and so if either kills you, they've made a mistake that'll cost them the game.

180 as in playstyle

[Saki]

@Varsoon
revoking your claim then?

[Saki]

TRB

[Saki]

sigh

look, now I'm an un-cc'd pr!

I've already decided on my roleblock target, I'll just stay quiet and wait for replacements and such

underline any questions to me


you do know Varsoon you're making the game turn this way and that on your whim

[Saki]

I'm sneaking in a quick post here, but I'm busy for another hour or so...

My impression so far is that Saki's claim is real, Varsoon is fake-claiming town because ~reasons~, and while Titus is saying some things I disagree with that doesn't make him scum.

UNVOTE:
My vote on Cherry's a bit outdated.

And you didn't feel like backing off when I said I thought you were fake-claiming 500 posts ago, or when you first said you'd be reverting to level 1 play?

500 posts of pure fun, mhmm
/extreme sarcasm

[Saki]

@Saki: All it takes is for someone else to command a strong enough voice and presence.

with a sprinkle of douchebaggery

[Saki]

sigh
I just can't seem to keep quiet

@Flench

policy lynch? really?
11 days to deadline on D1?

[Saki]

*actually considers Varsoon policy lynch*

[Saki]

Flench, you realize how scummy that sounds, right?
You want to string me up now because if I have time, I might prove my innocence?
Honestly, if you feel so worried about me, lynch me on D2 or D3. As of now, I've provided enough Wifom to make scum waste a NK or PR on me, which is good enough. I can say things like this due to the WIFOM already created. I can bluff right at scum because of what I've done and they have no way of knowing if I'm a PR or not, and so I'm high-risk for scum to keep alive.

Instead, Flench, you should be tracking my logic through the entire game with the knowledge that I am VT. A lot of my actions make a lot more sense once you know that.

I know how it sounds but that's how I feel when I think of people actually believing you, it makes me hopeless.

Varsoon, your logic cannot be tracked, I could make a case your posting throughout the game to be literally any role I can think of. You have no master plan, how does nobody else see this? He is just scrambling to find a way out.

I'm done posting for a while, before I get into any more trouble on my desire for Varsoon's death.

#rollout

edit: btw Varsoon, I'm a bit mad.

I has strong feelings towards you going afk with a vote on someone

[Saki]

Varsoon, you expect the town to be angry with you and you're voting the first guy that seems to be pissed off at you?

Your backing off deserves some analysis rather than autoscum status but you did cost us a whole hell of a lot of time Varsoon and the saying lynch all liars is there FOR A REASON.

Just be careful with the lynch all liars thing. In that Calvin and Hobbes game of Varsoon, Yates, who was VT, fake CC'd the doc.
I'll get to the other thing you asked me in a bit.

Flench, you realize how scummy that sounds, right?
You want to string me up now because if I have time, I might prove my innocence?
Honestly, if you feel so worried about me, lynch me on D2 or D3. As of now, I've provided enough Wifom to make scum waste a NK or PR on me, which is good enough. I can say things like this due to the WIFOM already created. I can bluff right at scum because of what I've done and they have no way of knowing if I'm a PR or not, and so I'm high-risk for scum to keep alive.

Instead, Flench, you should be tracking my logic through the entire game with the knowledge that I am VT. A lot of my actions make a lot more sense once you know that.

I know how it sounds but that's how I feel when I think of people actually believing you, it makes me hopeless.

Varsoon, your logic cannot be tracked, I could make a case your posting throughout the game to be literally any role I can think of. You have no master plan, how does nobody else see this? He is just scrambling to find a way out.

I'm done posting for a while, before I get into any more trouble on my desire for Varsoon's death.

#rollout

edit: btw Varsoon, I'm a bit mad.

I don't like this post. I'm about half-way through my read-through, so admittedly I'm missing perhaps a lot of information, but a lot of your posts are scummy. If you're so upset with people believing Varsoon, you should probably work a bit more with actively discrediting him rather than tossing your hands up and saying, "Fuck it, vote Varsoon, and I'm out."

I don't agree with this. Read through the entire thread.

I'd imagine it highly likely for a townie to go "fuck it vote varsoon I'm out"

especially Flench

[Saki]

@Jmo: Please give us something with more content or replace out of the game.

^

[Saki]

@Jmo: Please give us something with more content or replace out of the game.

You're mad because you're getting lynched scum. Why would I replace out for finding scum?

you won't ever troll as hard as Varsoon is atm

give up JMO

and actually scumhunt

kthx

[Saki]

just remember this
Whatever Varsoon's doing he's just trying to live

I don't find that particularly scummy or particularly town unless he's VT then it's bad town play


He's trying so hard, leave him be.

[Saki]

Townpoints for Saki, nice analysis, now then tell me Saki, who's more likely to want to survive.

Town or Scum.

What is Town more concerned with, and what is scum more concerned with?

-Sakura Hana

yay sarcasm

scum's more concerned about surviving
town prs are pretty close though
or just vain town in general

suicidal townies

@Titus
where the hell did I call survival instincts scummy

@Oriole
dammit let me post

[Saki]

Welcome, bulbazak.

[Saki]

Sorry if I sound arrogant, but I've been leading town all day, even if it was through absurd gambits and tricky tricks.
I've collected more info than anyone else here, and most info that others have collected is due to my interactions and agency.

When playing three card monte, it's easiest to have the most information if the players don't know it's a shell game.

Welcome back oriole. We have a new replacement for Glass as well. I cannot make heads or tails of Varsoon. Until I am certain of his alignment, prudence says to keep my vote here but I've been liking Cherry less and less throughout the day.


@Saki, In post 1086, you seemed to FoS Varsoon for wanting to survive.


@Bulbazak, Welcome. It'll be nice to play with you.

I'm not.
is all i have to say

[Saki]

Yeah it seems like my other head wanted a TV lynch, not sure if they are ok with that now with new info, while I want a Varsoon lynch because his play isn't helping town at all

@Saki: I'd say town should be more concerned with finding scum than surviving tbh.

-Sakura Hana

That's why I called Varsoon a bad VT

If he's a PR though surviving will help finding scum by quite a bit

that's why.

[Saki]

I'm not now, not then

[Saki]

Titus, how do you know this is a mislynch?

Asian guy, already said. He fucking tried to counter claim a claim. Then he claims he didn't read the setup. THEN he claims he is just a VT. Why go through the trouble of lying, an why go through the trouble of saying "I didn't read the setup" if you lied in the first place? That means e lied about not reading the setup.

I'm not ignoring you Titus. Sit and spin. Saki is town. Most I my posts are phone posts, I ten to get to address everyone completely at a computer.

Finally you make a post that you're not an asshole in

now that I think about it you're more town than scum.

[Saki]

Or I'm a VT who didn't read the setup who counter-claimed.

Get to a computer.

bad VT, bad!

[Saki]

No? And no. You fake counter claimed. What if we had lynched saki who flipped rb? Then we would be down at least one PR.

hence bad vt

[Saki]

Lynch all Liars.
Already talked with my other head, we agree on this
VOTE: Varsoon
L-1, go ahead and cl- oh wait, you already claimed.

I prefer to leave the hammer on the IC's hands.

what
I thought we were going to try to beat xenoblade mafia for d1 postcount

[Saki]

Lynch all Liars.
Already talked with my other head, we agree on this
VOTE: Varsoon
L-1, go ahead and cl- oh wait, you already claimed.

I prefer to leave the hammer on the IC's hands.

what
I thought we were going to try to beat xenoblade mafia for d1 postcount

wait why pass on the hammer responsibility to the IC?

[Saki]

Lynch all Liars.
Already talked with my other head, we agree on this
VOTE: Varsoon
L-1, go ahead and cl- oh wait, you already claimed.

I prefer to leave the hammer on the IC's hands.

what
I thought we were going to try to beat xenoblade mafia for d1 postcount

wait why pass on the hammer responsibility to the IC?

also where the hell is 'im not going to vote without considering my other head' stance

[Saki]

Hey, look, I admit, it was some shenanigans. Let it rest.
JMO's scummy as hell, what makes you say he's town? He's coasted to this point and pushed my lynch since the day began without every explaining -why-.

You didn't lynch Saki, though.

:/
Thinking about lynching me is enough of an offense.

[Saki]

Cherry, you realize we don't have IC's out of newbie set ups?

IC as in Innocent child, our lovely conftownie Pasche

[Saki]

Also guys hold the fuck up. We only got JMO and Vote Me/Xiao back. Where's Glass and Dyx?

No I won't slow down

[Saki]

Asian guy, already said. He fucking tried to counter claim a claim. Then he claims he didn't read the setup. THEN he claims he is just a VT. Why go through the trouble of lying, an why go through the trouble of saying "I didn't read the setup" if you lied in the first place? That means e lied about not reading the setup.

Is it honestly the first time you've seen a townie counter a claim to see if it's genuine? Let's go back to the original claim by Saki:
Saki was shit-posting and was all, "YOU WANT ME TO FUCKING CLAIM, I'LL DO IT, PUT ME AT L-2 AND I'LL SELF-VOTE AND CLAIM"
Saki was begging for votes just to get a claim out there. I certainly didn't believe the claim, because it's stupid to force yourself to claim early like that. What town PR does shit like that?

P-EDIT: Fuck sake, can you guys slow it down a little bit?

We already went through this

I'm sorry.

[Saki]

JMO won't slow down or hold up because he's scum. Same goes for Flench.
Now, to see if the people who said they'd pull out actually do so.

P-EDIT: Don't be so spineless, Titus. You know that Pasche wants the hammer.

It fit's Titus' paranoia completely.

Hey Varsoon aren't you going to claim level 4 or something

[Saki]

One who doesn't know what to do..

Nah, from what I've seen, newb PR's tend to try not to draw so much attention to themselves.

Asian guy, already said. He fucking tried to counter claim a claim. Then he claims he didn't read the setup. THEN he claims he is just a VT. Why go through the trouble of lying, an why go through the trouble of saying "I didn't read the setup" if you lied in the first place? That means e lied about not reading the setup.

Is it honestly the first time you've seen a townie counter a claim to see if it's genuine? Let's go back to the original claim by Saki:
Saki was shit-posting and was all, "YOU WANT ME TO FUCKING CLAIM, I'LL DO IT, PUT ME AT L-2 AND I'LL SELF-VOTE AND CLAIM"
Saki was begging for votes just to get a claim out there. I certainly didn't believe the claim, because it's stupid to force yourself to claim early like that. What town PR does shit like that?

P-EDIT: Fuck sake, can you guys slow it down a little bit?

We already went through this

I'm sorry.

Yeah, you went through it after Varsoon CC'd, so thanks for proving my point?

I already said I was sorry for being a retard and claiming
TV flung enough shit at me for that

ok.

[Saki]

wow you guys got bloodthirsty fast

so all of you are okay with glass and dyx not being around for this.

[Saki]

I already claimed level 4, Saki.

level 5?

[Saki]

wow you guys got bloodthirsty fast

so all of you are okay with glass and dyx not being around for this.

Glass is replaced, we're waiting for his replacement. I'm not saying rush a lynch, but everything I've seen from Jmo is just, "I'm scum, look out how town is dumb enough to let me get away with all of this bullshit."
I would, actually, like to get Dyx's opinion on the Varsoon and the Jmo case. As well as Pasch's.

Then
stop being so bloodthirsty

[Saki]

I believe I'm not voting anyone

[Saki]

speculation

although I am a un-cc'd town pr noone seems to be buddying me

[Saki]

speculation

although I am a un-cc'd town pr noone seems to be buddying me

Because you act like a newbtown at best and you're not exactly being helpful either.

What's your opinion on Varsoon v JMO?

so cold

better get some water for that burn

[Saki]

speculation

although I am a un-cc'd town pr noone seems to be buddying me

A) The town portion of it isn't guaranteed yet, I admit you're acting more townish now, Still i cannot trust you 100% being town
B) I don't see any reason to agree with you.

Only currently confirmed town is the IC, hence why i'm more than happy to give him the hammer, i'm pretty sure any of you wouldn't be happy with anyone else hammering either.

-Sakura Hana

even me?

Well I guess I had the chance to hammer but didn't

[Saki]

@Saki, missing questions is part of the reason people don't trust you. You focused more on the "burn" making things personal.

What are your thoughts on Varsoon and JMO?

not lynching either till we have the full player roster posting

[Saki]

JMO
Not going to say not posting content is anti-town because then the people with the most content (Varsoon/Titus) would be almost town.
But yeah I'm hanging by a line with any sort of town-relation to him.
I guess his recent post made me want to give him one chance
one chance only

Varsoon
How the fuck do you expect me to read him now

[Saki]

I expect you to say what is confusing about him, what you currently view him as and what questions you have.

I'm finding the sort of defense on JMO surprising. What does this chance entail? The group's given JMO numerous chances to contribute.

he finally made a contentful post
why condemn that one post already


About Varsoon (read: conflicted)
- what. is. he. doing.
- thank you for consolidating my claim, kinda
- always steals my spotlight
- if he's really VT he needs a whack on the head
- if he's scum I hate him

[Saki]

I expect you to say what is confusing about him, what you currently view him as and what questions you have.

I'm finding the sort of defense on JMO surprising. What does this chance entail? The group's given JMO numerous chances to contribute.

he finally made a contentful post
why condemn that one post already


About Varsoon (read: conflicted)
- what. is. he. doing.
- thank you for consolidating my claim, kinda
- always steals my spotlight
- if he's really VT he needs a whack on the head
- if he's scum I hate him

TL;DR
I don't think the VT claim is truthful at all.

[Saki]

@Saki, If you think Varsoon is lying, then why don't you vote him at all? Why are you upset about him "stealing your spotlight"?

@Cherry - Nice of your other head to join us. What do you think of JMO?

'cause the spotlight is MINE and MINE ONLY

well not really I'd rather hang back now that I've claimed but I wont let myself

I'm not voting anyone because I have no intent of letting a lynch happen with more than ten days to deadline.

Im technically V/LA right now.

I like jmo for town for now.

okay, what the fuck?

[Saki]

I really don't like Cherry's vouching for JMO. I'm beginning to think that Varsoon is a big idiot and that JMO might be a better lynch here. Ugh!

So you don't think anything of me vouching for JMO?

[Saki]

You didn't outright say JMO was town. You said give him a chance.

do you think we should?

[Saki]

You didn't outright say JMO was town. You said give him a chance.

do you think we should?

derp
of course you dont

[Saki]

realized I'm still voting titus
UNVOTE:

[Saki]

Hey new guy, I think I watched that show your avatar is one time around 10 years ago, they were in a cabin in the woods and he was solving murders and being short, I liked it. Anyways, I seriously doubt you have read everything so stop calling me out until you have.

I am currently lurking and reading everything, I'll listen to the jmo case, as he has been a strong mafia contender for the whole game, but Varsoon better die soon before he infects you guys with his stupidity and we let him live.

If we ever get to day 2 I'll make some more lists and scenarios I have been thinking about.

Detective Conan

pretty popular
I dont like him though
every time he goes somewhere there's a murder
it'd be better if you just lock him up in a cell by himself

[Saki]

Yeah, it was called Case Closed when they brought it to America. It's one of the longest running anime.
I really like a lot of the early episodes, and I'm tempted to get back into it, but it's a super-long series so it's a bit foreboding.

@Flench: You'd better have more to say when you catch up.
@Saki: Any thoughts on current game-state/what I mentioned in 1074 and 1080?

there's like a couple thousand manga chapters

Current game state
Varsoon mob: OMFG WE HATE VARSOON
JMO mob: OMFG WE HATE JMO
Scum: bwahahahahahaahha these guys are idiots

[Saki]

Hahaha, who do you think is scum, then?
Also, keep in mind, it's D1. There's no need to find a scum team, just one scum.

A long D1. Find the whole scum team tomorrow, breeze through the rest of the game.

both JMO and you are potential scum
So is Titus

I'm not exactly confident that CherryDP is town
and Flench is slipping towards the scummy end of the spectrum

Glass
Dyx
where

[Saki]

Add Stubbs to that 'where' list, too. :/
and Bulbazak replaced Glass.

where where where!

[Saki]

yeah the game's just slow
neither side is willing to give in
and the people who aren't voting are stubbornly not voting/afk

I'd rather just take a break and wait for replacements

Pedit
@varsoon
what lol how

[Saki]

PM me after game for hot skype Detective action.

naw
already flooded with stuff I should have watched but didn't get the time to...

[Saki]

inb4 anime circles.

<3 Flench

[Saki]

Same here, but I can make exceptions. You should always be able to make exceptions for friends.

you aren't going to get me to not watch the new HnG season

THEN MAKE CONAN STOP KILLING PEOPLE

[Saki]

Is this thread really devolving into anime shitlording?
Meh, I guess we'll get as much info discussing anime for ten pages as we did for the entire Saki vs Varsoon vs Titus debacle.

^ this

[Saki]

HnG is Hayate no Gotoku.

[Saki]

Black Cat is underrated.

[Saki]

/laugh

how have you not watched Toaru

[Saki]

Yes Hayate no Gotoku is also known as Hayate the Combat Butler

[Saki]

Oh, my MaL isn't everything I've ever watched, just stuff I've watched /re-watched since I started my MAL.
What's Toaru?

To Aru Kagaku no Railgun (A Certain Scientific Railgun)
To Aru Majutsu no Index (A Certain Magical Index)

how can you not know!
yer defscum

[Saki]

Oh! Raildex! Yeah, I know those. Yeah, they're solid. I like Accelerator. I watched some of the new Railgun season.

accel is like my role model

[Saki]

you gave Tamako Market a 5
lul

[Saki]

From what I've seen, town Varsoon never makes any fucking sense, whereas scum Varsoon is usually on target. Can you serious say shit like, "Essentially, I think Tunnel's on the second level. Which is why his entire list of points relies on second-level logic." makes any fucking sense?
Not saying it clears him, but I have no idea what the fuck Varsoon is talking about half the time.

goes for everyone, not just you

[Saki]

Hahah, Tamako Market is actually pretty good, I'm just tired of KyoAni's moe~moe~
He's pretty spectacular. I've been in many Accelerator vs Flash threads. In fact, a gift, for you:

Spoiler:

Dude, even I don't know what I'm talking about half the time.

I know a guy
He's a lolicon
His hobby is watching anime and collecting airsoft rifles (and the real ones when he can)

I'm afraid that he'd shoot me if I talked crap about what he watches

[Saki]

I also have to admit I'm nowhere near a shitlord

I spent most of my childhood playing Disgaea

[Saki]

Out for the night. Anime talk should be met with lynches, peace.

you can't lynch me today!

[Saki]

450 hours on disgaea
500 hours on FFTA
around 300 hours on pokemon
at least 200 on advance wars

/laughs at self

[Saki]

I just realized this, but Vote Me wasn't lying when he said he'd never put a vote on Varsoon.

wat

[Saki]

ah.

[Saki]

What the fuck am I reading?

whatever the fuck you think you are.

[Saki]

Glass' replacement is Bulbazak. He hasn't posted yet.

I already told all of you I am not hammering anyone with ten days to deadline.

@Varsoon
damn this game is fun...

[Saki]

@JMO, That's a gross misrepresentation.

@Saki, Does JMO's content make you change your mind about him at all?

@All, We are solidly in 4th place for the most posts in a mini game. I don't feel a need to break the record.

@Varsoon, Sonic is good. I like the crushed ice. I heard a rumor that it regenerated hair loss caused by trolls. Seriously, trolls are systemically the hardest players for me to read. If you pull that in every game you do, I will want to lynch you in every game.

what's wrong with non-game related content in a thread
I'd hate to play a game with hard-boiled people pulling poker faces

Yes Titus we should get first!

JMO is...well...if he and DP could collaborate to somehow provide how this is JMO's townmeta I might hang on to him being town
then again I don't like CherryDP either...

@oriole
yay someone agrees with me on that

[Saki]

@Varsoon, Sonic is good. I like the crushed ice. I heard a rumor that it regenerated hair loss caused by trolls. Seriously, trolls are systemically the hardest players for me to read. If you pull that in every game you do, I will want to lynch you in every game.

you slipped there, titus

[Saki]

his one-liners in that game weren't all 'town's stupid for not lynching X'
:/

[Saki]

@Varsoon, Sonic is good. I like the crushed ice. I heard a rumor that it regenerated hair loss caused by trolls. Seriously, trolls are systemically the hardest players for me to read. If you pull that in every game you do, I will want to lynch you in every game.

you slipped there, titus

No. I did not. However, the group may want you to elaborate on that.

i meant your poker face slipped

[Saki]

I've already made it clear
I dont townread Titus nor Cherry
I gave JMO a chance but he's slippin and slippin

I'M NOT VOTING ANYONE WITH TEN DAYS TO DEADLINE AND TWO PEOPLE NOT POSTING

[Saki]

Right on, that makes sense on the Bulbazak angle. Just wish this game could have some activity. I suppose that's the woe of only being in one game.

this is the game that creates 100 posts in less than an hour

no activity?

[Saki]

I've already decided on my roleblock target

, I'll just stay quiet and wait for replacements and such

wasn't Cherry

[Saki]

Well, as of now.
As of noooow.

I'm serious about having already decided my target.

I've already decided on my roleblock target

, I'll just stay quiet and wait for replacements and such

wasn't Cherry

Don't say who it was. But no, I don't expect you to roleblock cherry. I don't expect scum to either (all scum possibilities have a roleblocker, right?). I do expect if we have any cops to investigate Cherry.

I'm not stupid enough to tell everyone

[Saki]

Busy with some stuf atm, I'll be back to posting in 12ish hours.

alright, I'll be expecting something. not much, but something.

[Saki]

I've got you on a clock now, Flench. 12ish hours, man.

surprisingly exact coming from varsoon

[Saki]

i should give up on sarcasm

[Saki]

as tick tock goes the clock
more and more am I sure
that [insert lurker name here] has a glock

[Saki]

JMO is...well...if he and DP could collaborate to somehow provide how this is JMO's townmeta I might hang on to him being town
then again I don't like CherryDP either...

and i see possible jmo-dp/sakura scumbuddy

but you know varsoon as a shitlord that they never give up

[Saki]

Well, of course. I am a Lord of Shit. From atop my throne, I know all things, scummy, slanderous, absurd, and otherwise.

We've got 9 days. Trust me, there won't be a nolynch.

I was referring to anime

I already said I am all for a lynch just not 9 days to deadline

[Saki]

Oh, which one?

Also, yeah, I know, we're on the same page as far as the lynching goes.

all of them

'never give up' seems to be a recurring theme

[Saki]

Hehehe, c'mon, we can post more if you want.

^

[Saki]

My vote is still on JMo.
I don't need to give examples if you've read the last pages.

He's trying so hard to live.
Be cruel and let him live for D1 and get him tomorrow.

[Saki]

That's all speculation(wifom?)

Less of a headache if you ignore all of Varsoon's posts related to content.

[Saki]

interestingly different reactions to flench, JMO, and stubbs coming from Varsoon.

[Saki]

interestingly different reactions to flench, JMO, and stubbs coming from Varsoon.

more information for lynching Varsoon, folks.

[Saki]

@Stubbs:
Hardly.
The fact that I counter-claimed Roleblocker is not speculation, it's a fact. It happened.
I also claimed revoked that counter-claim and claimed VT.
I explained why I originally claimed, why I stuck with it for so long, and why I finally claimed VT.

By your definition, simply saying that I'm trying to do anything to survive is speculation/Wifom.
Ergo, your own argument defeats your own argument.
That's Intertextuality, Bitch.

You're right. But the fact that you're saying you wouldn't have played the way you did is also Wifom.

The 2 biggest wagons are on my top suspects. So no, I'm not looking at anyone else right now.
For me, one of you has to die today, and we go from there.

I have a scumread on you.
I'd lynch you over JMO today.

[Saki]

In better terms,
Please elaborate.

... I need to?

[Saki]

I havent posted for five pages
omfg nuuuuuu

food for thought:
why is there no pressure on oriole?
why is there no pressure on my claim?

[Saki]

afaik we were talking about optimal SK play
i conclude that the most likely SK is either oriole or me based on that

[Saki]

Yeah oriole seems so certain that i'm an SK that makes me question his alignment

that was not part of my conclusions

but explain

[Saki]

totally missed Dyx in my catch up
wb back my friend

@Xiao
an SK can't sail through the game as an un cc'd town PR?

@Cherry
he said he wasn't certain, he needs information from N1

[Saki]

im terrible at trying to spark discussion

[Saki]

Cherry, I feel like you're mocking me.
I love it, for the record.

loves getting mocked
okay that lynch needs to happen
wah /:(

[Saki]

Like this one for example: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=29666 god i had fun with that one

i fail to see what you are getting at

[Saki]

derailed sakura style

[Saki]

Closing in on the 3rd largest day for a mini... Only like 10 more posts.

I bet this is why people are spamming the thread

you got me

[Saki]

oh my god you guys are so bloodthirsty

that's what nearly got me lynched earlier in the day

[Saki]

angry mob
OMFG

LYNCH JMO VARSOON CHERRY STUBBS MAYBE FLENCH AND TUNNEL TOO

..wat

[Saki]

Varsoon I already said I wanted first.

[Saki]

Besides you know

everything we've said until now has gotten us nowhere

except me claiming

[Saki]

Besides you know

everything we've said until now has gotten us nowhere

except me claiming

everyone in the game has at least 5 people FoS'd where there's only four anti-town roles MAX

[Saki]

ffs the people voting Varsoon aren't even sure he's scum

and the people voting JMO haven't heard from the guy himself in a while

DP you promised a defense on JMO

[Saki]

has noone noticed bulbazak has not posted
has noone noticed stubbs never delivered his case on JMO
has noone noticed Dyx posted once more then disappeared off into the night again

[Saki]

I've already explained why it should be JMO, more than once.

getting nowhere, people are stubborn
especially you

[Saki]

If all the active players (myself, Saki, oriole, Varsoon, and Xiao) right now got together and voted Cherry, he'd be at L-2. That would get Cherry to play straight possibly.

really, a quickwagon

[Saki]

@Titus: I agree with the active-player-bloc idea. It could be good pressure, although we risk a quicklynch without the info from our pressure if we do that.

@Saki: I did, but nothing I say has any potency anymore, apparently. More than that, when I say it, scum can just write it off as me trying to 'do everything and anything to survive'.

we're going in fucking circles, you know

somewhere along the lines of
OMFG VARSOON YOU SUCK > Setup Speculation > Let's lynch lurkers > pressure other players > aaand back to Varsoon

[Saki]

Has everyone forgotten I still have my finger pointed towards Titus

[Saki]

Will someone tell me why cherry is scum? I have them as town.

Edit: saki, shut the fuck up.

go read the thread

[Saki]

@JMO: Saki's exposing you and working his best and you suffocate his voice? Sure is pro-town of you.
My arguments against Cherry are as follows:
Cherry took a backdoor to the Saki v Titus v Varsoon conflict and voted on the wagons that were most 'town' to do so.
Cherry's current play is often conflicts itself and earlier anti-Varsoon reads, as the Hydra is making use of tactics that it called me out for being scummy on.
Cherry tried to curry town favor by passing my hammer to Pasche.
Cherry's still on the safest wagon to be on, despite Cherry's motivations for being there reflecting a desire for a policy lynch rather than lynching me for a Varsoon-is-scum argument.

Ultimately, Cherry is a highly opportunistic player who parrots the safest wagons, overtly tries to cull town favor, and is pushing for what can be seen as a policy lynch from Cherry's PoV. Furthermore, the content of Cherry's scum-hunting (if there is any) is incredibly low. Cherry hasn't produced anything new since voting me, and has tunneled me because it's safe to do so.

JMO, please read the thread. We've explained why Cherry is scum multiple times--and I do mean

we

, as in, more players than just me.

is that not what I said 1500 posts ago, Varsoon

@Flench
more and more are you becoming another JMO

[Saki]

Has everyone forgotten I still have my finger pointed towards Titus

Case on Titus?

you have forgotten.
bleh.

[Saki]

Flench, if you can't credit that Saki has points in his posts, and you've got to comment on that fact, you're spamming the thread just as much by providing that useless analysis.


@Saki: It's more and more obvious the more Cherry posts.
And, nah, I'd just like you to roll it out for me. I understand the town paranoia angle and feeling that Titus is playing it safe/trying to vote on the wagon that'll get the most towncred, thus her hesitance, but I'm reading that as null/town right now. My interactions with Titus have informed me of town motivation behind her posts. I'd like you to articulate and add on to your Titus case, if you don't mind.

No I like flench's analysis more than mine

where's sakura's scum motivation behind saying 'lynch all liars' and voting you? that's town paranoia/AtE not scum

Titus

buddying you at first now saying oh my god I hate you now
although your behavior has not changed

i keep getting the feeling she's deliberately manipulating me/derailing the thread at certain points (and that's a gut read)

[Saki]

@Titus: I think I went even further to verify Saki's claim, to be honest. If Saki is scum roleblocker, then I deserve to be fooled.


Not to answer for Titus, but a very

Varsoon

answer would be that you're just attempting higher-level play.
The problem is that you can't do that and then call attention to it.

you just claimed scum once again

[Saki]

@Saki - you are getting lazy in your uncontested PR slot. Flench is promising content and has delivered large amounts of content.

there is no need to be rude about delivering content

[Saki]

@Titus: I think I went even further to verify Saki's claim, to be honest. If Saki is scum roleblocker, then I deserve to be fooled.


Not to answer for Titus, but a very

Varsoon

answer would be that you're just attempting higher-level play.
The problem is that you can't do that and then call attention to it.

you just claimed scum once again

please stop subtly justifying everything with 'hey I can do this 'cause my name is Varsoon'

[Saki]

Titus if I were lazy I would have lurked and cruised on with my confTRB status

[Saki]

verify his claim

bullshit you were trying to get me lynched

you were not at all confused about varsoon's cc or his motivation behind it

I can't imagine town sticking out necks for each other like that

you and varsoon are both scum imo

[Saki]

lag op

I don't get your reason to continually reference those levels Varsoon it's awfully suspicious

@everyone
hydra heads talking to each other in thread
oh lawd this thread

[Saki]

Varsoon and Titus anyone?

Edit: Hey! I was about to say that:(

what, you agree with me?

[Saki]

verify his claim

bullshit you were trying to get me lynched

you were not at all confused about varsoon's cc or his motivation behind it

I can't imagine town sticking out necks for each other like that

you and varsoon are both scum imo

You do realize I lead the train on Varsoon, causing him to withdraw his roleblocker claim. I knew one of you was lying about being a roleblocker. My goal was to figure that out, by whatever means necessary.

except that you did entertain the possibility of us both not being rbs

and your lack of questioning me other than 'are you lazy'

[Saki]

verify his claim

bullshit you were trying to get me lynched

you were not at all confused about varsoon's cc or his motivation behind it

I can't imagine town sticking out necks for each other like that

you and varsoon are both scum imo

You do realize I lead the train on Varsoon, causing him to withdraw his roleblocker claim. I knew one of you was lying about being a roleblocker. My goal was to figure that out, by whatever means necessary.

except that you did entertain the possibility of us both not being rbs

and your lack of questioning me other than 'are you lazy'

continuing with your logic i see no fault in you continually questioning my RB status especially if I'm only at 70%

[Saki]

I knew one of you was lying about being a roleblocker.

and you knew which one


Yes I think Varsoon and Titus are scum working together to rolefish

[Saki]

it is practical and wise to go for the biggest targets right now

hold up that does not fit with my understanding of you

@Varsoon
I'm not lynching you today unless I have to
I want Titus dead

[Saki]

JMO's town

Titus Varsoon Cherry I want you all dead graaah

@Varsoon
call out oriole on it then

[Saki]

it is practical and wise to go for the biggest targets right now

hold up that does not fit with my understanding of you

@Varsoon
I'm not lynching you today unless I have to
I want Titus dead

What does not fit? What is your understanding of me?

you said 'you shouldn't worry about making others believe your scumhunting, just scumhunt'
you said 'i do not care about what the town says I'm going after who I think is scum'

now you're saying you're working with the town to go after the safest lynch?

[Saki]

Exactly, i've done everything to put attention on Varsoon what is the scum motivation behind me drawing attention towards me? Wouldn't that be playing against my win con?

Just for the record, saying "what's the scum motivation behind drawing attention to myself" as a way of vindicating yourself also, in turn, vindicates Varsoon.

and me...oh well.

[Saki]

it is practical and wise to go for the biggest targets right now

hold up that does not fit with my understanding of you

@Varsoon
I'm not lynching you today unless I have to
I want Titus dead

What does not fit? What is your understanding of me?

you said 'you shouldn't worry about making others believe your scumhunting, just scumhunt'
you said 'i do not care about what the town says I'm going after who I think is scum'

now you're saying you're working with the town to go after the safest lynch?

No. I'm saying if you have an inkling about someone (Saki) versus a strong read someone is scum (Cherry) you push the strong read.

then you should act like, say, TV, and tunnel the fuck out of Cherry

'inkling' yeah you did tell us you thought I was newbtown
I flipped again in your head?

@Varsoon
oh the irony

[Saki]

by the way Titus

you said yourself you were an open-minded player

why not entertain Stubbs/oriole/Dyx scum instead of 'oh cherry needs to die'

[Saki]

VOTE: Titus

[Saki]

I do not think either oriole or TV are town

I'm still working on reading Xiao

duh pasche is town?

I have no reason to believe JMO is not town

[Saki]

Cherry, Titus, Varsoon, and Saki should POST NOTHING for the next two days.

doubt there'd be a single post in the thread then

[Saki]

We've

hey bulbazak don't read anything pre-Varsoon retraction of claim
not worth reading

[Saki]

He's not the only one. The fact that our mod has so many more posts than half of the players is sad. The fact that I'm only ten posts behind Jmo and I joined much later is sad. The fact that Jmo hasn't been lynched yet is sad.

jmo gets rope for not posting content and pursuing lynches

stubbs
dyx
tunnel
oriole

get out why?

[Saki]

not to mention bulbazak's slot.

@titus
JMO is leaning town
oriole is slightly scum

oriole needs more pressure

[Saki]

I love how the thread went full on WTF after my WIFOM, well there's risks with everything, and instead of drawing a NK away from me im just drawing attention towards me...

P-Edit: no, that mean i'd get prodded!

and prod dodges are scummy

[Saki]

I love how the thread went full on WTF after my WIFOM, well there's risks with everything, and instead of drawing a NK away from me im just drawing attention towards me...

P-Edit: no, that mean i'd get prodded!

and prod dodges are scummy

Prod dodges are scummy, but when JMO does them apparently.

Oriole is scummier than JMO.

It seems like Saki is buddying with JMO here.

correction:
JMO is buddying

me

question:
is buddying scummy?

[Saki]

There's no way out of this one Titus

@Flench
what

[Saki]

Oriole I expected you to complete your ISO reads and hop back on the Titus wagon

DP I really expected you to help me defend JMO

[Saki]

Sorry if I'm hurting the spam machine Saki, your posts per minute are truly inspirational.

nothing hurts me

[Saki]

Saki I thought I already did but I will later tonight, when I get home from class

you did you did I just want a case that will have someone else convinced other than me.

[Saki]

3) I didn't go for the easy pickings, I went for the lynch I found the most scummy at the time, JMO.

why cherry now?

oriole has FoS'd you after supposedly ISO'ing you

[Saki]

I called him scum for trying to unmask me 1200 posts ago
the fuck

@Titus
I don't want Varsoon lynched because he cc'd RB I want him lynched because he's your scumbuddy
knowing how he's going on a limb and you're hiding behind the shitstorm he's blowing up I suspect that he's a goon and you're some sort of scum PR

you were bound to get attacked?
like really

[Saki]

@Saki, It's pretty clear that I've said over and over again that it was apparent you wanted to claim. Hiding behind a shitstorm, really?

I already said that was your misrep.
You had no reaction to that which I find scummy.

Yes really. I call everything Varsoon a shitstorm and you are hiding behind easy lynches and Varsoon chaos

[Saki]

Your calling Varsoon a PR was noted, Titus.
Varsoon failing to lynch you for it after he claimed VT also was noted.

[Saki]

1) Like I said, Saki wanted to claim.

Do you really want me to link that to you again
when will you shut up about it

[Saki]

btw while we're talking about rolefishing Titus also fished for Varsoon's role multiple times

[Saki]

1) Like I said, Saki wanted to claim.

Do you really want me to link that to you again
when will you shut up about it

You can't argue that I was rolefishing by voting you and then tell me to shut up about my defense.

you specifically said you wanted me to claim
so yeah how is that not rolefishing.

[Saki]

1) Like I said, Saki wanted to claim.

Do you really want me to link that to you again
when will you shut up about it

You can't argue that I was rolefishing by voting you and then tell me to shut up about my defense.

you specifically said you wanted me to claim
so yeah how is that not rolefishing.

I expected you to hold on to your vote and Flench and jump on him next post he made--you had such a strong scumread on him.

[Saki]

You're claiming you're a random PR. I've always felt you are scummy.

should I dig up the post where you said Varsoon was town for doing that

[Saki]

@Saki, the context was that I perceived you as wanting to claim so I made it happen. You can bring up the same argument over and over but the answers aren't going to change.

I already told you that I was not saying I wanted to claim.
Stop using it as a defense to justify your actions.

Please.

[Saki]

@Saki, the context was that I perceived you as wanting to claim so I made it happen. You can bring up the same argument over and over but the answers aren't going to change.

I already told you that I was not saying I wanted to claim.
Stop using it as a defense to justify your actions.

Please.

IF that misrep wasn't enough you're continually misrepping me by using it as a defense over and over again.

[Saki]

@Saki, the context was that I perceived you as wanting to claim so I made it happen. You can bring up the same argument over and over but the answers aren't going to change.

I already told you that I was not saying I wanted to claim.
Stop using it as a defense to justify your actions.

Please.

IF that misrep wasn't enough you're continually misrepping me by using it as a defense over and over again.

It's not a misrep to say I perceived you as wanting to claim so I did what I did.

I'm telling you to stop using it as a defense to justify your action.

[Saki]

@Saki, the context was that I perceived you as wanting to claim so I made it happen. You can bring up the same argument over and over but the answers aren't going to change.

I already told you that I was not saying I wanted to claim.
Stop using it as a defense to justify your actions.

Please.

No one forced you to claim except yourself. You even put yourself at L-1 to do it, for some reason. You seem to forget the attitude you had at the time. You were very much daring people to make you claim, and it DID look like you wanted to claim.

If I were daring people to make you claim then why did Titus want to?

newp I was frustrated as hell at town


@JMO
he did it's in the middle of his post.

[Saki]

@Saki, the context was that I perceived you as wanting to claim so I made it happen. You can bring up the same argument over and over but the answers aren't going to change.

I already told you that I was not saying I wanted to claim.
Stop using it as a defense to justify your actions.

Please.

IF that misrep wasn't enough you're continually misrepping me by using it as a defense over and over again.

It's not a misrep to say I perceived you as wanting to claim so I did what I did.

I'm telling you to stop using it as a defense to justify your action.

You're telling me to stop using my beliefs to defend my actions?!?!?

yeah, scum.

[Saki]

no

I swear I saw a vote there

[Saki]

Holding people's feet to the fire is rarely bad for the town Flench. Also making sure that people are aware of who will hammer prevent scum from hammering and then arguing well no one else would.

holding your feet to the fire isnt ofc.

[Saki]

I wanted to hear from the replacements.

why call for a lynch then
why say you want to hammer then

[Saki]

I'm debating whether of the 2 to vote, i'm certain that if 1 flips scum, there's very high chance the other will too.

[Saki]

I explained that.

[Saki]

clever, influencing bulb's opinion while he makes his re-read.

[Saki]

Cherry assumes some sort of intimacy between Titus and I. There's no way we could have made such a coordinated play as a scum-team unless we had daytime QT.
Surprise, there's not Daytime QT in this setup, unless DBK is running it bastard.
You're flailing and grasping at straws, Cherry.
Check Mate.

you two play fairly closely and but you slip up at times
(Titus hints that you're a PR, you cc a PR, Titus is not phased at all)
(but later you retracted that cc and then Titus is genuinely confused here)

god Cherry stop it with the PR wifom you're starting to sound like the Titus/Varsoon team

[Saki]

In this game I have the right to FoS anyone that wants to lynch me 'cause I'm a town PR
I don't like how Varsoon cc'd me then tried to get me lynched post-claim
Or how Titus helped him pull that off

Do you not see all the Titus-Varsoon buddying yet

[Saki]

I feel like the cases against every player on today's chopping block have been laid out almost a dozen times, from a dozen angles.

hence the going around in circles

seriously when/how are we not.

@Cherry
I expect everyone in this game to have better play than me. *shrug*

[Saki]

It's obvious that Varsoon and Titus are now gonna run me up to L-1 to force me to claim, maybe i should claim right now and save everyone 30 more pages of them driving a wagon against me.

Don't?
I'm enough?
That's what Titus wants?
and all this wifom is frustrated town or confident scum which I think is the former since I've been there.

[Saki]

I've been scum on this site two/three times, iirc. I never had a pre-game QT.

you've played dumb like this with the setup too Varsoon

it's not working twice

[Saki]

MBXXXXX
no way to know whether there are two or three scum or even the presence of an sk
Titus >_>

and only scum would know whether there is an sk or not.

[Saki]

I still think there is a chance Saki is scum claiming roleblocker but Saki literally tunnels me in almost every game we are in together. He did it once to the point where he was lying about his rolecard and got modkilled. So yeah, I can't read his tunnel on me.

As for that, no there's a chance of up to 4 scums. However, the behavior of the group makes it almost certain you have two scum allies Cherry. My only question is whether Flench or Saki is your last ally.

TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)

Four roles of scum.

don't talk about ongoing games.

[Saki]

You also said you verified my claim by questioning it with Varsoon.

[Saki]

This is nowhere near the paranoid Titus I saw earlier in the thread.
Being desperate enough to mention ongoing games also isn't a good sign.

._.
Please vote this guy instead of Varsoon. We can get Varsoon tomorrow.

@Titus
why does your read on me slip back and forth all the time?
You're ignoring the possibility of five T's.

[Saki]

This is nowhere near the paranoid Titus I saw earlier in the thread.
Being desperate enough to mention ongoing games also isn't a good sign.

._.
Please vote this guy instead of Varsoon. We can get Varsoon tomorrow.

@Titus
why does your read on me slip back and forth all the time?
You're ignoring the possibility of five T's.

You're also ignoring the possibility of six T's since you don't believe my claim now.
Scumslip central

[Saki]

You know who I believe would want to live through the night?
Serial Killer (especially) or scum.
And that's a weak argument from you, Cherry, since if you fail to 'confirm' anything, you can claim you've been roleblocked.
You can drop it now.

and you dont want to live through the night varsoon
you said your motivation for ccing and outing me outright was to live

[Saki]

elaborate, jmo

counterclaiming in this setup is bs anyways.

[Saki]

note that the only people saying it wasn't total bs is varsoon and titus.

[Saki]

wait, xiao, you're saying I'm scum?

[Saki]

the hell?

[Saki]

it's still helping you get a town pr lynched, varsoon.
lul.