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I'm up to page 10. Tiger was sort of a dick but you guys took it harder than you had to. Human Destroyer is the scummiest so far. Slimer being proud of being bad at the game and intentionally working to further that meta annoys me. Wisdom reads as the voice of reason. A few hyper-active posters are making it really easy for the less active posters to go unreadable. Mollie turning into a hydra with Majiffy 15 pages deep is bizarre, but I like them both so I'm okay with it. There's been 3 pages in about the last 12 hours. Slow down and make it easier for me to catch up.
pedit: 2 posts in the pedit window. Rly guys, slow down.-
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I made it to page 21. Here's some notes I took. Numbers are post numbers, except when I put p16. That meant page 16.
Agree with Wisdom, HD's Tiger vote is easy lynch.
Mitillos (123) stalling on HD wagon, casting general suspicion on both Zab and Tiger.
HD (129) discrediting Wisdom and giving cutsie smiley face excuses rather than defending self or pursuing target.
SivD (174) I don't like that he was absent from the Tiger/Zab/HD debate but shows up with a vote once things are starting to solidify.
HD (187) Acts upset (or w/e, emotion, call it what you want) about Tiger wagon gaining steam after hopping off but doesn't get back on. Probably worried about looking too eager. I feel if town he'd just be happy his suspect is gaining attention and push.
HD (210) He is an echo. His opinions are not original.
HD (242) Reads as faux confidence. I don't think his reads are really this strong.
Wisdom (327) First scummy post he made imo. Right after Mollie votes him, HD is also voting, not sure who else, but decides to play the "Hey guys, don't forget the lurkers" card which is huge cop out. He's right, and the lurkers are lurking, but the timing of the post is suspect.
Prohawk is a drama queen.
(p16) d_o town-vibes.
If Wisdom is scum, Mollie-scum buddy? If Wisdom is town, HD scum? D_O scum?-
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In post 628, Human Destroyer wrote:Mk. Show me exactly one instance of someone else saying each thing I said in that post.
Couldn't find it? Exactly.
In post 210, Human Destroyer wrote:I'm not sure I like Wisdom's defend everyone attitude. Does he normally do that as town?In post 161, petroleumjelly wrote:You are arguing for the potential protownness of at least two players: tigerzone's motives and pirate mollie's "meta."
Your defense of tigerzone is awkward since<snip>
Your defense of pirate mollie is also uncalled for, since<snip>
HD 210 wrote:Mollie's sticking to her RVS vote on ProHawk while expressing strong suspicions on me is bad. I also think her ProHawk scum read is OMGUSy and bad.In post 142, ProHawk wrote:Pirate Molly on the other hand is content to pop in every once in a while to stir the pot of sludge in HD's direction. She also has expressed viewing scum in HD and Fuzzy yet still won't move her "serious-lol" vote.
HD 210 wrote:Also, I don't like the policy lynch flavor this tigerzone lynch is taking on. Yeah, his disrespectfulness was rude, but I despise policy lynches. Go check my meta if you really need proof, I hate them despite my alignment.In post 174, Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:Much as I hate the idea of a policy lynch,In post 182, Wisdom wrote:So we're lynching town today? Cool.In post 195, Mitillos wrote:Anyone who wants to PL tiger for wanting to PL zab is being a hypocrite.
Also, although his constant impoliteness is annoying, it's very much not a scumtell.
Don't underestimate me, boy.
I am getting general townvibes from D_O, but they're not bulletproof. That statement was mainly included because after one of the votecounts, which I believe was votecount 1.6 or so, I decided there is at least 1 scum on the Wisdom wagon whether he is town or not. Looking at those on the wagon at that time, this is the conclusion I came to.HD wrote:Calling D_O scum if Wisdom is town is odd considering your general townvibes you seem to be getting from him. Is the associative tell that strong to you?
I skipped the rest of your responses in this post because they were either simple "nu-uh" responses which don't need rebuttal or you disagreeing with my interpretation of things, in which case I can only say that's how I interpreted it.-
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Quick Prohawk, what is the scum reason for all this vote hopping?In post 713, ProHawk wrote:I guess what I don't understand Wisdom is you were on a wagon (McQueen), then you let your scum-read (D_O) convince you that there were only two viable voting choices (HD or yourself), then you say you would rather be on a D_O wagon (who wasn't a wagon and still isn't a wagon) instead of keep your vote on the wagon you were originally on. If you wanted to be on a wagon, you could have stayed with McQueen.
So your reasoning for voting D_O looks contrived IMO when you started talking about wagons and comparing him to HD. It doesn't add up to me. Now you are back onto McQueen. It's quite the hopping.-
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lol, curmudgeon.
re: McQueen, I believe he would claim and selfvote at L-5 as town. That's all really. If it's a big gambit he cooked up as scum then it worked on me. I think he's just that kind of player, and when I read it I bought it. That being said, the way he's gone about it is hella annoying and I wish he'd actually participate and vote scum rather than pout and shout about how obvtown he is for playing anti-town.
In post 728, Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:I think I should probably be replaced, I'm really disinterested in this game. Sorry, N.
This imo should make all the Siv votes disappear.-
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Oh yeah, I asked you a question a while back. This.
In post 716, CF Riot wrote:
Quick Prohawk, what is the scum reason for all this vote hopping?In post 713, ProHawk wrote:I guess what I don't understand Wisdom is you were on a wagon (McQueen), then you let your scum-read (D_O) convince you that there were only two viable voting choices (HD or yourself), then you say you would rather be on a D_O wagon (who wasn't a wagon and still isn't a wagon) instead of keep your vote on the wagon you were originally on. If you wanted to be on a wagon, you could have stayed with McQueen.
So your reasoning for voting D_O looks contrived IMO when you started talking about wagons and comparing him to HD. It doesn't add up to me. Now you are back onto McQueen. It's quite the hopping.
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Here's why that doesn't make sense to me. Scum never have conviction about their reads, cause obviously they know it's all bs, right? But this doesn't stop them from feigning confidence or pushing their votes as if they're right because that's the basics of the game. So when I see Wisdom flip flopping between 2 people he's been engaging in conversation with for several pages, I don't really see scum motivation for doing that. Especially when we consider D_O had no votes at the time. I feel like as scum he would rather just stick to the one that either has more traction with the town, or that he feels is the safer vote which won't draw suspicion, while voicing that his suspicion of the other if he wants to set up a move to that wagon later. Now as town, I totally see the reason for flip flopping, because as town of course sometimes you question your own conviction about a read and change your mind about what is and isn't scummy about a person. Sometimes in the heat of debating with someone, your gut reaction to something they say is "OMG OBVSCUM VOTE NAO" when later after rereading with a level head you think, "Okay, that still doesn't make sense to me but maybe it's not as scummy as I thought." This is the impression I get from Wisdom's posts. He's indecisive, he's arguing 2 people he suspects, both are saying things he doesn't agree with, he votes one only to have the other say something that catches his eye, changes his mind switches his vote. All this seems like fluid townplay to me. While I do see what you're saying about him, I don't see why any of it points to Wisdom being scum.-
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lol. I ramble sometimes. Didn't think it was actually that much text until I posted it.
Pro Idk what you're talking about. The evidence of his conflict in his reads is him changing his vote back and forth between those 2 players. You said you noticed "lack of conviction" in his reads. Is that not very nearly the same as a conflict?-
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I like how everyone uses "Hint:..." when they want to be condescending now.
Siv asked to be replaced and Kmd admitted his head really isn't in the game, so I'm of the complete opposite opinion here. Also, if I end up calling you scum at some point this game, this is the post where it started.In post 846, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:siv gets super duper lurky as scum so I would be fine with his lynch.
kmd I was getting ready to go after you but I liked your post and agree with some of your reads. it is good to see you finally get your head in the game.
Mitillos, I agree with HD's points. There was something else you did too. I don't remember.-
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In post 790, Mitillos wrote:@Pro: Are you saying reads shouldn't change or that when they do, people shouldn't explain why this happened? Because neither of these positions is pro-town.
I remember now. You kind of slow played the original spat between HD, Tigerzone and Wisdom. I also thought the top quote here was reaching pretty far to accuse Pro, and I didn't catch at the time but when looking back to find this quote I also saw you have him in your townpile which interests me because like I say, it looks like you're casting suspicion here and this is the first I remember of you calling Pro town. You should definitely elaborate on this if you can.-
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In post 840, Kmd4390 wrote:In post 838, zabriel wrote:Thoughts about the game KMD?
Dunno haven't really read it. Pretty sure siv is scum though. And whoever replaced tigerzone is town. Slimer is town. Basically what I said in my big post.
This post came after the one you think shows kmd is actually trying. Plus several on either side that say nothing. In your favor I dunno if I actually read kmd's wall, I'll do that. But 1 wall in 30 pages isn't hard to do and doesn't convince me he's not just sliding by.-
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I saw it the first time. I might vote DOne (new abbreviation, underscore does suck) but I don't really feel any urgency to do it now because I did get townvibes from him at one point, I have other suspects I'd like pursued more, and I don't really feel like I need to buy Mollie's trust. She said she caught townvibes from me earlier in the game so hopefully she'll come back around on her own eventually.-
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Yes.In post 882, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:Is this to me?
Yes.In post 886, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:Well your "initial reads" don't resemble anything like reads and look more like passing commentary, and then you freak out and vote Slimer in response to what was obviously a joke post.
That actually looks like the worst way to get off the bad McQueen wagon.
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In post 898, RachMarie wrote:Could we get back to scum hunting guys n gals? Seriously....In post 905, RachMarie wrote:wah, wah wah, wah, wah wah wah-
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He does and he did.In post 956, RachMarie wrote:Granted that was on page 8, but by now he should have a new set of reads and he does not update them.
Fine with Rach lynch. Actually probably my preferred lynch now.-
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Spoiler: Riot and ProHawk discuss Wisdom
Spoiler: Riot accuses Mitillos of poor push and backtracking on ProHawk
This is what I wanted the Hydra to look at. Anyone else can comment too. Basically, I don't think what Prohawk was saying in the 789 area was that scummy, and it looks like Mitillos was trying to stir the pot following the momentum of my extended conversation with ProHawk. Afterwords he doesn't follow up, and when I mention this his response doesn't satisfy me.-
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I was kind of knocking this idea around and noticed Zab's last vote before DOne was Siv way back here, which he took off without voting anyone new when Siv replaced out. The atmosphere at that time was heavy on a DOne push. I don't really get why Zab didn't vote DOne before now if that's where he was leaning (as town), but I also don't really understand why he wouldn't just go ahead and bus Rach now since he already set up the distancing earlier (as scum).In post 1077, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote: Zabiano Domingo Rodriguez, Rach Buddy No. 1.-
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I approve of this list.In post 1167, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:Oh and if we have any N1 cops they should be on any number of the following participants;
{Disturbed, Mcqueen, Jalyn}
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What exactly have you or anyone else in your slot done that you think should make anyone else KNOW you're town?In post 1242, chkflip wrote:And they should know I'm town,-
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No. I thought what you did was scummy. You told me why you did it. I still think it's scummy. Nothing new, you just really don't convince me.
Names pls.In post 1321, Human Destroyer wrote:There are far more people that don't really have suspicion on them that aren't dying-
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I would argue you and Jalyn were called suspect by more people than B&B and ProHawk was roughly equal, but that aside, I don't see why your paranoia of these townish people being alive leads you to vote McQueen since... ya know, he's not on this list.In post 1325, Human Destroyer wrote:You, me, ProHawk, zabriel, slimer, maybe Jalyn
No, lots of people have piqued my interest. Rach and DOne/Chk did, and I lynched them. You're just next in line.In post 1326, Mitillos wrote:@CF: Fair enough, I suppose. And no one else has piqued your interest, at all? Seems unlikely.
I'm not but it looks like you're legit trying to push a policy lynch on a bad player right now D3 down 2 town. If you wanna convince me he's scum then by all means but that's not what you're saying. You're saying he's bad, let's lynch this bad player.In post 1327, ProHawk wrote:Are you trying to tell me his Day 2 play comes from town? Cause it looked pretty dang scummy to me, and if he is doing it as town, keeping him around will lose the game for us.-
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In post 1382, ProHawk wrote:Anyone who doesn't want to kill that anti-town play is a fool. Town or Scum.
lol, I don't even think you believe this. Anyone who wants to lynch townies just because they're bad at the game is a fool. A fool or scum.-
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Don't even start ProHawk. This is the same thing I've been saying since daystart when you said, "If he's town, he's a liability so we should lynch him anyways." I said if you can show me why you think he's scummy I'll listen and instead of doing that you spent 3 or 4 posts telling me why policy lynching a VI is an okay thing to do, and that's what you're still doing now.-
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