Diffusion of Power (Open 478) over

[fuzzybutternut]

/confirm
That dentist joke was god Awful....I love it.

[fuzzybutternut]

so early with the seriousness Mollie. Save a little for the imagination

Vote: Wisdom

because first vote.

[fuzzybutternut]

N does sound kinda like a girl's name lol

VOTE: zabriel

I'll probably end up reading him as scum later anyway, so let's just get the inevitable over with

What makes you think you're going to read him as scum later? Planning lynches already? Tsk tsk tsk

[fuzzybutternut]

Vote: fuzzybutternut

Because the world is not yet ready for butter which is both fuzzy and nutty at the same time.

This has to be the best RVS vote on me I've seen thus far. Kudos to you, Puck.

[fuzzybutternut]

Really and truly, I don't want to lynch ANYONE this early. Considering, you know, it JUST started.

[fuzzybutternut]

Was in reply to Siv's "Don't want to lynch Zabriel this early."

[fuzzybutternut]

On the sole basis of his lurking?
I'm not sure that's okay with me, honestly.
I don't agree with policy lynches.

[fuzzybutternut]

Regardless, I'm fine with giving him a chance. Not everyone can post all the time.

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm not taking part in Zab's lynch, unless I get some solid info or he literally lurks through the entire game. At that point I think it's more "flying under the radar" than actual lurking.

[fuzzybutternut]

I think he was more or less trying to figure out the whole point in Zab's lynch, rather than assume that the lynch was going to go through, though, tbh, you seem like you want it to.

@Wisdom, lol. That's not me being overcautious. I was stating my stance on PL's and disagreeing with it, while also stating that, while I DO disagree with PL's, lurking does become something else after a point.

But it's nice that you think I'm scummy for that. ^^

[fuzzybutternut]

Zabriel, what's your opinion on all of ^This?

[fuzzybutternut]

My opinion is that I don't think either of you are going to get anywhere if you keep tunneling on each other like you are.

However, my only reason for asking Zabriel is because I saw him viewing the thread, and, since it was a conversation about him, I thought he might want to share his thoughts.

[fuzzybutternut]

I don't see it as a necessarily

scummy

stance, but it's certainly anti-town. I can see it as being more of a preference than anything, and not necessarily "oh, this is going to be one easy town to go" kind of thing.

[fuzzybutternut]

Well, he could be like myself, and play for the game, and not for the people. Who knows?

[fuzzybutternut]

HD, do you agree with Policy Lynches?

[fuzzybutternut]

Siv, how about you? What're your thoughts?

[fuzzybutternut]

How can you know that for sure, Wisdom? How can you be 100% positive that there was no scum motivation behind it?

[fuzzybutternut]

So..he's basically pulling information from one game?
That, I do not agree with at all.

[fuzzybutternut]

stop it about ongoing games

don't make N do something, it is hard for him

liking wisdom for town

fuzzy jesus christ can you possibly look any scummier, but I happen to know that you can

I am good for my hd vote for now

Oh, hey there Mollie. Let's not make the same mistake as last time, yeah?

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm pretty sure this has been said, but I'm tired so I really don't care, but the main problem with that "agreement" is that everyone could claim cop n , etc, and we'd never know. Also, and this is something I've never understood, but why make an agreement with someone you don't know the alignment of? They could be scum, looking for an easy town partner.

[fuzzybutternut]

There may or may not be a wall coming up. Depends.

[fuzzybutternut]

This is all beside the point. The reason she is scum is

A) She is staying out of a large heated battle between two people that are likely both town.
B) She is making jabs into the argument, without directly engaging in it.
C) She won't vote for people she claims to be scum - voting hesitance.

The fact that she claims to not know where her vote is, well that is just silly in and of itself. She didn't the last game I played town with her. She was more than confident to place votes and seemed to be very competent. And she wasn't worried about sticking her neck out.

I, too, have seen Town Mollie do all three of these. This isn't a great argument.

jesus christ

wtf is going on here

I have zabriel and wisdom for town.

pj I like your push on me, will you at least pause for a second and consider staying in the game

I find it interesting that you like a push on you.

IIRC, this is just something Mollie prefers and sees as town. I could be wrong though.

Okay, so the first thing I'm going to do is...

UNVOTE: Wisdom

Here are my thoughts on players:

fuzzybutternut:

Leaning scummy, he has a parked vote on Wisdom that I really, really don't like. In post #35, he stated that he didn't want to lynch anyone early. By post #130, he is still on the same vote he made in RVS. His scum-hunting primarily consists of him asking the opinion of others, I absolutely dislike this.

TBH, I haven't done much true scumhunting in this game. I've been trying to get a feel for other players methods. It's what I do.
As far as my vote goes: Yeah, I have it on Wisdom. Is he, or has he ever been, in danger of being lynched? No. I don't think so. I'd rather have my vote stay RVS than have no vote at all, and, even by 130, I hadn't had any solid reads. A lot has changed since then, though.

D_O is town

Also why the fuck is this tiger wagon getting traction AFTER I get off it :l

Okay, he's made one post and you're automatically deciding he's town? How exactly does that work?

Unvote

VOTE: Human Destroyer

hd and fuzzy stand out to me the most. I have mislynched fuzzy before so I am hesitant to go that route and hd I need more from to firm up my read.

We could have one that game!! Twas good though. Twas good.

[fuzzybutternut]

As far as the whole Tiger case goes: yeah, it was ridiculously rude to do what he did. Is it indicative of alignment? I doubt it. Was uncalled for, but is no reason to lynch him on that alone.

[fuzzybutternut]

*sigh* That means absolutely nothing to me. Formulate an opinion based on something other than that one post, and we'll talk.

[fuzzybutternut]

I've played with Town Mollie. She played exactly like she is now. Does that mean she's definitely town?

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm not referring to that. I'm referring to your opinion of O D as town, because of "meta" and that alone.

[fuzzybutternut]

*D O*

[fuzzybutternut]

And I'm saying that I don't agree with that, as he's had one post of any kind of merit. I don't see how you can pull a town read off one post.

[fuzzybutternut]

A, B, and C are all things that

Mollie

does often as well.
It's not indicative of alignment to me.

And the whole point of my calling you out about that post, is because I don't see any possible way you could be even remotely sure that someone is town, when all they do is post their stance on players of the game, without doing anything to help others opinions on them.

[fuzzybutternut]

Yes, it does. But the information it gives you does absolutely nothing else. I just don't see how it's possible to formulate a town read based on the information he's given us.

[fuzzybutternut]

Show me where she does it, and I'll actually believe you believe in that stance; your meta case is positively bullshit and based on the fact that clear scumtells are somehow nulltells.

What?

Posting reads does

exactly

that; it puts your thoughts out there so people can really see what you're thinking and see whether it comes from town or scum.

here's that proof you wanted, btw.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24201

[fuzzybutternut]

It's not THAT you find him town. It's WHY you find him town that I find scummy.

[fuzzybutternut]

The fact that
1.) What he did was good, yes, but in no way is it a town tell. All he did was state his opinion.
2.) You provided no explanation as to WHY you thought he was town in the first place. All that was said was "D O is town."
3.) You're relying on Meta alone. Nothing else, just Meta.

As far as the other goes, I may get around to it sometime, but right now, I honestly don't feel like going back to that game.

@Zab- No, I'm not anti-meta. However, I don't believe that a town read can be based solely on meta alone. If that were the case, then why would anyone sign up, if someone they've played with before was in the game? They could just look and go "Oh, he was town last game, must be town this game too."

[fuzzybutternut]

We'll see how that read goes later on in the game then.

[fuzzybutternut]

I don't play to a meta lol

Which is why we had the discussion we had earlier, right?

[fuzzybutternut]

"I don't play to meta" means that Meta doesn't influence your reads.

Clearly, it does.

D_O, i'll reply to that shortly. I'm about to eat.

[fuzzybutternut]

*facepalm*

No

"I don't play to meta" means I purposely (try to) play differently every game so people can't read me based on past games

Not everyone does that, which is why meta tells are viable in some cases

I misunderstood you then.

Anywho, getting to D_O now.

[fuzzybutternut]

As far as your other reads, I agree with the OMGUS part. I honestly can't tell if HD and Tiger are town, or scum. I could see scum coming into the game, and talking back and forth like this, constantly, in fact, so much that it takes up pages and pages of what could be actual content.

So far, you haven't liked either of my votes. Tell me then. Who should I vote for Oh mighty Disturbed_One?

[fuzzybutternut]

Given that it was after your first post, where you had done nothing but state your opinions on certain people, yes. Had he waited until later, when you had posted more and scum hunted, I wouldn't have found it scummy at all. There is no way one post can give away alignment. That post read null to me.

[fuzzybutternut]

I've come to terms with it, I guess. It's just not something I think is plausible to pull from only one post, but, like I said, we'll see how that plays out later.

It's nice to see tiger replaced though.

[fuzzybutternut]

Shit happens slime.

[fuzzybutternut]

Cf! God, this is becoming that Marathon game all over again.

[fuzzybutternut]

This is going to be a long game, so far as I can tell..