Open 202 - Friends JK 9 (Game Over)

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vote: Lowell

Not confirming makes me sad.

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Yes.

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So you are aware he is likely to be under suspicion by several people before too long anyway? At least that has been the case in my experiences with Lowell. Just seems like you are giving an easy mark a little head start with the votes.

Not really, no. He seems to lurk a lot. That said, only remember one game with him where he was scum and seeing him in one of my games where he was vigged.
Feel free to show me some links of Lowell being lynch-bait though.

unvote, vote dry-fit, see previous vote

Could everyone talk about previous experience with other players? I don't know any of you.

Lowell, as mentioned above.
Dry-fit rings a bell, but without the search function I'm too lazy to search for whether that was as player or mod. Maybe he knows.
don_johnson, in that very frustrating 10-player-with-2-scum-teams-of-2-game.

Rest is new for me.

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Okay, he knows ;p

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Mod: I'm actually voting.

@Wdjat
The playerlist is fairly new. I have played with don_johnson and Lowell before, and I don't think I've played with TDC, but I could be wrong. I don't recognize anyone else. Though I suspect we might have an alt among us.

you know that makes you a easy mark as well don't you ?

Elaborate?

SA/Lowell: I have a brilliant idea, if we do that for all combinations we have this solved in no time!

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And bulletproof at that.

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semioldguy: I'm still curious about your experience with Lowell. Any links where he was the early wagon?

I have no idea what nessarae is talking about.

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During that game I read some of his previous games (when the search function was working to find all posts by XXX player) and he was regularly suspected in the games I read. So I don't have other links.

Meh, there's a difference between "generally suspected a bit" and an easy lynch.

he's a good candidate for policy lynch, however, i have yet to see a policy lynch on this site hit scum. so...

Also, this game is too small to play around with policy lynches.

But his meta definitely sounds like someone who can be scum and try to brush his scummy behavior off as Lowell being Lowell.

So? Do you want to lynch him tomorrow if he plays to his meta? If he doesn't?

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Wdjat: I take it you're fine with where the SerRose wagon is going, then?

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Wdjat: I take it you're fine with where the SerRose wagon is going, then?

That's right. I mean, look at his posts.

They're useless, I get that.

I was asking because I don't remember you expressing particular suspicion on him before so asking Lowell to supply some because he set the L-1 vote seemed a bit off.

Could everyone on the SerRose wagon (and Lowell) tell me where they see him on a 1-10 scale from "anti-town" to "scummy"?

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Wdjat: I take it you're fine with where the SerRose wagon is going, then?

That's right. I mean, look at his posts.

They're useless, I get that.

I was asking because I don't remember you expressing particular suspicion on him before so asking Lowell to supply some because he set the L-1 vote seemed a bit off.


Could everyone on the SerRose wagon (and Lowell) tell me where they see him on a 1-10 scale from "anti-town" to "scummy"?

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Bleh.

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Okay, let's rephrase that to "merely anti-town" and "scummy", then.

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Just checking: You guys are all aware that his total post count and his post count in this game are identical, right?

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Yes, but he doesn't seem to be a complete newbie.

We must have different definitions of "complete newbie"?

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I suppose it is entirely possibly to read a post that reeks of newbness, then not have a look at their title to find out they're actually new and then immediately jump off the wagon when I point it out. Smells like opportunism though.

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Lowell: Is CA just more suspected by you than Ser or have you moved him back into the newb category like dj and wdjat?

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Wait, dj wasn't actually voting him.. wonder why me pointing out that ser is a newb made him unvote semi then.

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Why is Dry-Fit scum?

Is he?
Or is that just a cheap shot at my still active random vote?

Anyway,

unvote

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Well, mainly the fact that he signed up for an open in his first game and understood the queue system.

I don't know. I think if he understood the queue system he would've signed up for a newbie game..

This looks kind of like you are voting just because you were pressured to name a suspect.

I could see where you're coming from if you could show how that vote is bad.
I mean if it's a good vote, then it could just be a good vote that would've come anyway.
I can totally see how Lowell would make that mistake, but I don't think it's that outrageous to vote him for it as you would imply.

That being said, if you are scum, Lowell is town.

^^ this is a horrendous false dichotomy. please explain.

Obviously, scum would never vote their buddies. Didn't you know?

Sleepless Assassin's line of questioning to ConfidAnon looks like he's just trying to turn nessarae56's confused posts into a scum read on ConfidAnon so he has an excuse to lynch him. By trying to force ConfidAnon into making that read, he setting himself up to avoid responsibility if ConfidAnon turns up town. I agree that flawed logic isn't a scumtell by itself, but this post where he responds to that flaw being pointed out with more pressure pushes my read from stupid to scummy.

I would probably have made that post had it not already been there. CA's awkwardness towards his former self was certainly good enough to poke into at that early point.

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I take that back, seeing how I did actually post in between, it struck me as odd anyway :p

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He doesn't have to make the read, but just being able to look at her posts and give us an opinion of her play shouldn't be that hard.

The question itself was strange to me, hence my statement about it being awkward. From an outside viewpoint, a player asked to judge their replacement is going to do one of two things: [..]
No matter how I go about answering that question, I feel as though you would still call me scummy . . . which, now, looking back at it, makes it seem like fake scumhunting.

Unvote, Vote: Sleepless Assassin

What answer to that question would have led you to say "that seems town?"

Uh, except that nobody ever asked you to judge your predecessor (or his alignment), you did that in reply to

@ ConfidAnon: Any thoughts about the game?

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Gah. Wow. I should probably reread this thread .

But you don't think that your vote, which is based on an event that didn't actually happen, is invalid now?

mod: I've unvoted

I guess my feeling is if someone asked me to comment on my predecessor I would just say no, or say, "uh, he's town" and be done with it. What I saw instead was confid trying to win cred by showing how "objectively" he could look at things... which of course makes no sense, since obviuosly he has to conclude that his predecessor was town.

While I agree with this, I'll repeat that he wasn't even asked to comment on his predecessor. Just a generic "any thoughts?".

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I'm not really following what the point of the dj-dry spat is.

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Ugh, wasn't aware of the deadline.

vote: ConfidAnon

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Mod: "If there is a tie, whoever had the first vote that day will be lynched. If noone had any votes that day, whoever had the most votes last day will be lynched." Does that mean whoever of those tied had the first vote, or whoever had the first vote period?

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Further: Does "first vote" mean the first vote cast, or the first vote that still stands (so the oldest vote basically)?

For the record, the first vote on anyone was semioldguy on Dry-fit,
the first vote on one of those currently having votes was nessarae on Ser and
the oldest vote is wdjat on Ser.

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Probably meant CA.
Anyway, LA until Monday.

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Not much time, but the jailkeeper can't communicate with whoever he jails at night.

Both power roles best stay hidden.

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I'm back and fine with my vote.

Bio Hazard: Did I derail the SerRose wagon? If no, what's different to dry_fit and the wdjat wagon? If yes, what's worse about dry_fit?

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@TDC, Whats your thoughts on Dry-Fit?

Case on him is crap and I'm not keen on lynching him.

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semioldguy: How much of your vote is for Regfan and how much is for SerRose? Is his push for dry-fit worse than BH's or is that just SerRose having been scummier than CA for you? The gap seems to be large enough to accommodate wdjat in between and I'm not really seeing where that comes from?
At least BH's suspicion of dry_fit sort of makes sense.

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EBWOP: er, should be Regfan in the last sentence.

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I figured. Why did you ever switch to BH then? Just to "disprove" his wagon-derail-equals-scumbuddies-theory?

[on nessarae]Likely a younger female. Someone who put herself into an unfavorable spot and can't live up to it. I'm thinking slightly more likely town as an "oops, I messed up and don't want to deal with my screw up" sort mindframe. Though it wouldn't be unreasonable as scum, I think if that were the case she would have stayed at least a little bit longer to attempt defending herself.

necessarae - Likely Town

Have you had any new thoughts on nessarae in the mean time, or did I read the first quote wrong when I thought it implied only a slight town lean? Why does SerRose replacing out not trigger a similar conclusion?

Can you also refresh me on why SerRose was "likely scum"? I remember we agreed he was very likely a newbie and that he was acting rather anti-town. I've kind of lost the plot on how you've come to likely scum from there.

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My lean toward town progressively solidified on her as I thought more about it.

Why and when? Presumably after you voted BH?

SerRose admitted to not being very useful or posting much yet he didn't even attempt to remedy that fact.

Fair enough.

(as well as never posting any thoughts of his own unless he was specifically asked a question about it)

Many people (newbie or not) play like that.

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And this is where I can't really follow you. If you had this nessarae-is-so-town realization before you voted BH.. why did you ever vote him?

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What creeps me out a bit here is that it was your vote that lead to his claim and now you just stand there and say "oops, he's actually way less likely to be scum than Regfan and I thought so all along!".

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I mean it is either a case of negligence on your part when you placed the L-1 and demanded a claim (despite subsequent analysis showing that he wasn't actually your top suspect) or the scummy and successful attempt to obtain a claim.

The latter would imply that BH is town, that you thought you needed to pull such a stunt to get the claim (buddy already on the wagon?) and that you couldn't think of anything remotely plausible to justify switching back.. which is all a bit much to swallow for me right now.

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I don't remember Dry-fit proposing BH was town. I think he didn't state any opinion on him until

Bio's bad and seemingly opportunistic case on me is beginning to make him one of my top suspects.

Which I read as him agreeing with the lynch, even if it isn't his #1 choice.

Why hadn't the jailer jailed Semi, it was quite clear he needed the protection...

i imagine the jailer was looking to jail scum.

Agreed.

i often follow the "one scum on, one scum off the vanilla townie day1 wagon" theory

Have you found it to hold when you've used it?

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Regfan:
Both these comments were before BH entered the game. Also saying that he didn't think CA was in danger of being lynched and that he wasn't interested in the case on him is not quite the same thing as thinking he's town. Why do you not think that his most recent comment which clearly implies consent with the lynch overrides these indifferent comments on BH's predecessors?

I really don't see how you can think this for a second, jailing a mafia with 2 mafia alive has no impact whatsoever, if there was only 1 mafia alive then yes, jailing scum would be beneficial. However will 2 mafia alive the jailer should only be aiming to prevent the kill from going through.

Of course it has an impact, it just needs to be the mafiate that's submitting the kill. Hitting that one is (assuming random choice) just as likely as hitting the designated kill (or the Tracker, for that matter). The difference is that if you succeed you probably have scum, whereas if you succeed protecting someone you only have town. (Both of course, requiring you're reasonably sure about that person to begin with). I'm not claiming that trying to block the kill rather than to protect the victim is a far superior strategy (although I think it is slightly), just that your dismissal of it is unfounded.

dj: It seems to make sense as a theory, I guess we'd need to sift through some past games to get a bigger sample size though.

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How many games have you played on this site?
Have you ever been scum?

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I have to completed games being Newbie 907 and Mini 916. And one currently going game, and no I have yet to be mafia.

Why so few games in nine months? Anyway, had a short look and 916 had a Jailkeeper, though he wasn't successful (and both of you died fairly early) and it doesn't seem as if the mechanism was discussed. So to answer your question: If the designated killer gets blocked, the kill will fail, whether or not the other mafia member is still alive.

Putting this down as a town tell (I tend to believe the lack of knowledge is genuine and I think that this topic would probably have come up in night discussion).

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Even if it's genuine, how is lack of knowledge of a role a town tell? Why would scum talk about this at night?

Well, I guess we agree that it's certainly not a scum tell.
The topic could easily spring up while discussing who should perform the night kill.

The only thing I have found you to say about the Regfan slot is:

By the way, I'm kind of second guessing my town read on SerRose.

and

Don_Johnson, is Regfan your scumbuddy?

Regfan, is Don_Johnson your scumbuddy?

Mind expanding a bit?

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B) Suspected SerRose over Wdjat. If I were forced to choose, I'd go the same way.

Oh yeah, this one, too.

Not that it sheds any lights on the source of your suspicion.

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with bio flipping town, i think regfan is less likely to be scum, no?

If BH flipping town makes Regfan less like to be scum, then BH flipping scum would've made him more likely to be scum. That is, you thought they were scum together? Not really seeing that one.

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i was just wondering if anyone had them paired. didn't regfan defend bio a bit yesterday? i could be wrong about regfan, but i think his effort is certainly pro-town.

Can you clarify whether or not

you

think BH flipping town makes Reg less likely to be scum? The above seems to suggest that you have other reasons to believe so, while the initial rhetoric question seemed to imply you did think so.

Also,

i'd be happy with dry-fit or wdjat.

i'd rather not vote for dry-fit today.

lowell: if you think dry-fit/regfan is a possibility, would you consider switching to reg?

What?

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Uh, I realize the question is a bit ambigious: Why are you trying to coerce Lowell into switching from Dry-fit to Regfan, when everything you've said so far would indicate you're more suspicious of Dry-fit than of Regfan. Or has your unexplained change of mind on Dry-fit put him further into town territory than Regfan?

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this:

I myself would consider voting Wdjat later within the game

makes no sense to me.

While I'm not sure I understand it either - if you're more suspicious of wdjat than of reg.. why are you not trying to convince him to vote wdjat now rather than later? Instead you're trying to make sure there is no later for him?

i think SA should be lynched. noone else seems to be suspicious of him. i am not sure why people are giving him a free pass.

You'll find that I questioned his Regfan vote and that he hasn't posted ever since.

Are you bothered by your fellow co-wagoners being SA and Dry-fit?

Can we get a prod on SA?

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i am thinking dry if reg flips scum.

Really? Why would they shoot themselves in the foot like that?

Reg: Can you explain your town read on dj? As you seem fairly certain dry is scum, why are you discounting dj as his partner? I agree with Lowell, if any of those two would flip scum, I'd look at the other one first thing in the morning.

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Really? Why would they shoot themselves in the foot like that?

bussing is rather standard play for scum. how are they "shooting themselves in the foot"? [/quote]
But this is not just bussing. They are the only two wagons. Considering that this setup becomes a no-brainer if Day 3 starts with both power roles alive and only one scum (and seeing how Reg didn't attempt to draw out a PR).. yes, that would be shooting themselves in the foot. Possibly amputating a leg, too.

if reg is town, pushing someone else to claim has the oppurtunity to greatly diminish town's chances of winning. this is an open set-up. you have to play a bit differently imo. scum and town.

I agree that we shouldn't just bandwagon people to claim and then not lynch them. Reg's claim was probably premature. I don't think a hammer was imminent and anyone who would've wanted to hammer should've asked for a claim before doing that anyway and even if that didn't happen it would at worst have hit a vanilla.

But I'm finding it a bit disingenuous to be all "let's complete the lynch so we don't force a PR claim by wagoning someone else, he's the best lynch regardless of alignment now".

I am yet to hear why SA is actually part of the claim wagon and I'd rather like to read that before deciding where I put my vote.
Why would I put my vote on Dry and ask for his claim right now (or as you seem to infer, even before you voted Regfan), when I might well end up preferring SA? That would only risk ending in the same way as the Reg wagon..

Not sure why you appear to be in such a hurry.

By the way, what do you think about the argument I had long ago with SA regarding Regfan's lack of knowledge of how night kills work on this site?

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Meh, opening quote tag missing there.

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The only thing I have found you to say about the Regfan slot is:

By the way, I'm kind of second guessing my town read on SerRose.

and

Don_Johnson, is Regfan your scumbuddy?

Regfan, is Don_Johnson your scumbuddy?

Mind expanding a bit?

Yeah, Serose gave me newbtown vibes at first, but as the game went on, I started to change my mind.

Well duh. I'm asking you why you changed your mind. Why you are suspicious of Reg. Why he "would be the best lynch today, by far."

i think SA should be lynched, though.

Do you have a reason or am I gonna have to defend with "nuh-uh, u a bad guy".

Just quoting this for the hilarity of it coming right after your case against Regfan being "I changed my mind".

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Well duh. I'm asking you why you changed your mind. Why you are suspicious of Reg. Why he "would be the best lynch today, by far."

He's easily the scummiest player alive and claimed vanilla.

This is getting ridiculous.
Can you answer the bloody question?

WHY

is he so scummy? You haven't mentioned a single fucking thing indicating that so far.

"Why do you think Brazil is the best football team?"
"Well, I thought it was England, but then I changed my mind."
"Why did you change your mind?"
"Brazil is easily the best football team."

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Was going to wait until SA actually posts again, but whatever. Deadline is deadline.

It's been like two weeks now and I still don't know what's so good about a Regfan lynch.

vote SA

Don't claim unless at L-1 and someone is willing to hammer.

I'd rather like to avoid lynching Reg.

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Uh.

TDC, why not dry-fit?

Meh, at least when you ask him something he actually answers and it appears to make sense. That said if the SA wagon fails I'll consider switching to him. The whole dj-dry connection is still interesting.

Deadline isn't for about a week.

Yeah.. and this game is soo active and it totally isn't the Easter weekend ahead of us (which at least where I live means Friday and Monday are holidays).
Surely I should have waited until there's only one day left as that's plenty time to test a wagon on you and get a different lynch in if it fails...

don's strange unvote makes me think maybe he's scum trying to jump off the buddywagon.

He's said he'd do that all along. I find it more curious that he isn't actually voting SA..

I'm not sure how Regfan could have missed dj's unvote seeing how Lowell mentioned it in the post he voted Regfan. Doesn't really strike me as a trick though.

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:rolleyes:

unvote vote dry-fit

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I count L-1.

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By the way, TDC is the other scum.

I still think Reg and Don are scum.

I'm thinking no-lynch, too. Should probably hear from everyone first, though.

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This game never ceases to amaze me.

First off, can we establish whether dj really is the JK? I'm not counterclaiming.

Lowell: Why is no-lynch still the best strategy? It can't better the numbers anymore (as for that a Townie would need to be killed and with dj having claimed jk.. how's that gonna happen?)

I need to think about the Tracker, but I think he should probably claim to reduce the number of potential JK targets.
Assuming we lynch, another no-kill night effectively means an additional day, so anything increasing that chance would be pretty good.

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Lowell: Why is no-lynch still the best strategy? It can't better the numbers anymore (as for that a Townie would need to be killed and with dj having claimed jk.. how's that gonna happen?)

Tracker shouldn't claim.

Because?

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I don't see how that changes if we lynch?

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Uh, never mind.

Of course that only works if scum actually do submit a kill.

Mod: What happens if we get stuck in a no-lynch-no-kill-loop?

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I'm not seeing how not submitting a kill would work towards "confirming" anybody. Firstly, with two scum alive a "he didn't kill" doesn't mean anything anyway and secondly with there not acutally being any kill, it means even less.
Even if Reg was certain to be jailed/tracked.. why would that imply that his buddy wouldn't submit a kill either?

I understand where you're coming from with respect to outing power roles (all the more puzzling that you chose to claim anyway..).

Mod: If the Jailkeeper and the Tracker target the same player and that player submits the kill. Does the Tracker see it?

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scum stayed home. if one is tracked, then he's clear.

Uhm, how is he cleared if nobody dies? That makes no sense.
Even if somebody dies, it could still have been his partner. Not going anywhere does not clear anyone unless there's only one scum left AND someone dies.

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I've really tried to take all these shenanigans light-heartedly, but it's all getting a bit much right now.

WTF is Regfan doing? Is it that hard to count to ten that you can get it wrong two times in the same game? Or do you think you can pull of the same trick twice? The best thing about it is that it actually worked on SA. For half the game SA is so convinced that Reg is scum that he is entirely preoccupied with accusing varying people of being his buddy, Reg's first "oh noes, I'm dead" doesn't change anything for him, but the second one is suddenly the game changer? WTF?

Then there's dj outing himself for no reason whatsoever with the oh so useful information that there was no kill attempt this night. He has a point of course because in THIS town I find it entirely conceivable that someone would go "LOOK HE WAS TRACKED AND DIDNT KILL HE IS SO OBV TOWN!!!". So kudos, you've preempted ridiculous play by the same.

And the wdjat slot hasn't been here since March 27th. That's three fucking weeks for anybody counting.

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Sorry if the question was unclear: A tracks B. C jails a) B or b) D. B tries and fails to kill D. Does A see B going to D?

Lowell: The "harm" is that we throw away the chance of gaining a day. Not sure how much that is worth. That said, the chances for the JK (assuming Tracker claim) to achieve that are slightly better than for the Tracker to track the kill in the no-lynch case. (And depending on the answer to the above, it might be necessary that nobody gets jailed so as to not hinder the Tracker.. )

dj: If the above is answered yes, I think no-lynch is worth a shot. That way the possibility that the kill is prevented and that it is tracked would exist. (Just preventing the kill isn't worth anything if we don't lynch as it will be indistinguishable from no-kill)
If scum chose not to kill we can still lynch tomorrow.

Also

we get zero results from nights one and two.

Considering your claim implies there being no kill night two... What result could the Tracker possibly have from night two?

Would still love to lynch SA, though Reg is getting more attractive, too.
In terms of actually getting the game moving wdjat would probably be better as I'm really getting bored waiting for a replacement. Can't quite stomach that one considering the claim situation..

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If we no lynch, the WORST that happens is.... nothing happens.

If Reg is scum then obviously not lynching can't possibly be better than lynching him.
If Reg is town, the Tracker might indeed see the kill and prevent what would otherwise be a mislynch. Or he might not in which case the game would be over instead of resting on dj jailing the right person.

Now what's more likely, that the Tracker tracks the right person or that dj jails the right person?
Tracker has to pick from four players (although this includes Reg, and assuming Reg as the default lynch, tracking him would make little sense, would it - also dj would need not to jailkeep so that he can't interfere with the tracking), dj (assuming Tracker claim which I still strongly suggest for the lynch-case) could pick from three.

So, let's say the success chances are about the same.
In the no-lynch Reg-town case dj dies, Tracker claims who killed him, we lynch the killer, Tracker dies -> two vanilla v one scum endgame
In the lynch Reg-town case, Reg is lynched, dj prevents the kill, we lynch whomever he blocked and go into night with vanilla,tracker,jailkeeper,scum. -> tracker or jailkeeper (confirmed town), vanilla, scum endgame.
In the no-lynch Reg-scum case dj dies, Tracker doesn't claim (either sees Reg or Reg is lynched anyway) Reg gets lynched -> two vanilla v one scum endgame OR tracker,vanilla v one scum endgame
In the lynch Reg-scum case, Reg is lynched, the Tracker having claimed and the JK publicly announce whom they target (different people, obv).
If someone dies and the Tracker is alive it must've been the third player -> win
If the Tracker dies it was either the third one or the tracked one, lynch one, jail the other -> win
So nobody will die and the day starts with both PRs alive, two vanilla and one scum (i.e. it isn't lylo!)

So, long story short: Lynching gives a bit better results if Reg is town (one confirmed townie in endgame IF dj blocks the kill vs two vanilla in endgame IF Tracker sees the kill) and much better results if he's scum.

Before we lynch the Tracker should claim and both should announce their targets. Obviously if Reg flips town, dj can jail whoever he wants, sticking to the announced choice would make no sense then. It is however important that the choices are adhered to if Reg flips scum as they guarantee no-kill.

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Would still prefer SA (reversed on Reg again, superb stuff), but it's not gonna happen, is it.

As for Reg.. Slightly worried about SA hopping on and off his wagon like that, but he's not a bad lynch. Definitely not going to vote until we get a Tracker claim as per my previous post.

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Oh for crying out loud.

I'm stalling on Reg lynch because I have presented a SUREFIRE plan to make tomorrow NOT LYLO unless Reg is town and it isn't implemented yet. OF COURSE I'm not going to hammer until that happens, that would be fucking stupid.

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ok. its obvious TDC doesn't want to end the day so i'll reread chnorek.

Or maybe I just wasn't around between this and your request..

Please tell us whom you gonna jail assuming Reg flips scum. Remember that this is important because it will definitely save your life.
If you die we know it's whoever was neither jailed nor tracked (or Lowell has the smoking gun). If Lowell dies we have two potential killers, lynch one, you jail the other.
If both of you survive and a townie dies it must've been the one who was neither jailed nor tracked.
Hence the remaining scum will have no chance but to no-kill.

I will hammer once you've done that.

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Is wrong, if mafia no kill, we gain a msylnch.

Uh, but that's the point. If the remaining mafia kills he loses.
It happens that he loses if he doesn't kill as well. I had hoped I could do without having to spell that out, as your buddy must be on your wagon right now, which implies that he wasn't aware of it until you just spelled it out.

Gonna be interesting who's going to jump off it now.

Also, if I were mafia. I'd have self-hammered right now to allow it to go to night before Don and Lowell organize who they would be jailing/tracking to give my partner a chance.

While that would avoid auto-loss, it's hardly a comfortable position either, is it?

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Also, the thread's going to be open until the Mod comes in anyway, so it's entirely possible that dj would be able to announce his target even after you self-hammered.

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My money is on SA being your buddy who wasn't aware of the acute danger in lynching you. He's totally been setting me up to be your buddy for quite a while now.

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I have been willing to do that since yesterday.

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And now I'm supposed to say "Oh, I've been wrong! Regfan wants to kill SA, they can't be buddies!" when in fact it is fairly obvious that both of our confirmed townies have stated to have town reads (why is beyond me) on SA and that that lynch is hence never going to happen?

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Thanks dj.

vote: Regfan

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Yay.

When wdjat went missing the mod allowed me to submit in his place if I so chose.. and I planned to have him kill dj yesterday.. and then I just forgot to send it in. That made things a bit more complicated than they needed to be

Lowell was dead on as to why I didn't hammer Reg right away and I'm quite frankly not sure why it confirmed me as town.

I have also learned that I am a townie at heart, as I was for some reason genuinely annoyed at the town's play during the final day.
This setup is really hard on the scum as it leaves no room for bussing and not finding the PRs didn't help us either. I don't think I've won this game. I think you've lost it.

I guess I was successful in masking my blatant ignoral of my buddy by even more blatant protection of Reg for most of the game.

Meji: Don't worry, the deadline rule was perhaps a bit unconventional, but otherwise good job

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QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/DPK3GfV92TnB