Well if you don't want an RVS, start some discussion.KittyMo wrote:Ello everyone!
I want to be in a game with no RVS. Therefore, I will vote the next person to random vote.
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Perhaps you should have waited till after dance class to post then?KittyMo wrote: Well, Zach, I was planning on providing another method of discussion, but I had to leave for dance class soon, and didn't have time to come up with one.
Any particular reason you're interested in specifically what I find scummy?KittyMo wrote:Zachrulez: What is the scummiest action you can think of off the top of your head, and why?-
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Apparently all the other stuff I typed out was not worth quoting?farside22 wrote:
That is all you got after her post?Zachrulez wrote:
Perhaps you should have waited till after dance class to post then?KittyMo wrote: Well, Zach, I was planning on providing another method of discussion, but I had to leave for dance class soon, and didn't have time to come up with one.-
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EBWOP: Here I go screwing up quote tags already.
Are you saying that you actually want me to answer that particular question?Zachrulez wrote:
No? It was just a random question that popped into my head.KittyMo wrote: Any particular reason you're interested in specifically what I find scummy?
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See, my thought when I see a question like that is that of a scum player who wants to know what NOT TO DO in a mafia game, a scum player who might be paticularly worried about being caught by a specific player. (You'd have to know my history with Kittymo to fully understand what I'm getting at.)
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Still, it seems like a strange question to ask, mainly because answering it tells people exactly what to avoid doing in order to prevent me from finding them scummy.KittyMo wrote:
I pretty much know what you find scummy, Zach, so if that was the reason I was asking, I would ask someone else that question, like someone very experienced (you know about my irrational fear of them, especially when I play as scum xD), or ask Nikanor, because at least on irc, he always seems to catch me as scum, and I am not entirely sure why. But the main point of the question survey was to ask questions relevant to the game at hand, which is why I didn't ask things like "What's your favorite power role: cop, doctor, or vig?" or random game theory that doesn't apply here.Zachrulez wrote: See, my thought when I see a question like that is that of a scum player who wants to know what NOT TO DO in a mafia game, a scum player who might be paticularly worried about being caught by a specific player. (You'd have to know my history with Kittymo to fully understand what I'm getting at.)
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Is it your position that people who make meta arguments are scummy then?Lowell wrote:If kitty can keep up this intensity throughout she'll be an asset. If she can't than this will be a waste of our time. In general I agree with nik's assesment.
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Curious that you've shown no interest in suave in that case...Lowell wrote:
Yes, basically. If that's pretty much all they do. It's my opinion that being meta is a good way to appear active while not really ruffling any feathers. This is what I see you doing, even in the way you phrased this question.Zachrulez wrote:
Is it your position that people who make meta arguments are scummy then?Lowell wrote:If kitty can keep up this intensity throughout she'll be an asset. If she can't than this will be a waste of our time. In general I agree with nik's assesment.
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Huh? So it's scummy that I pointed out that while he was attacking me he was completely ignoring at least one other player who was doing the same thing? That's what you call being selective.yabbaguy wrote:
This is true, but a questionable remark because it also serves to selfishly deflect suspicion.Curious that you've shown no interest in suave in that case...
How was it weird?yabbaguy wrote:Zach has racked up a lot of questionability so far in my notes:
-the weird vote on Kitty, saying "start some discussion"
I found the questions she was asking to be scummy. Her question to me specifically.yabbaguy wrote:-the abrasiveness, conveyed in post 19 (a real minus, I don't think it was fully explained why you weren't cooperating)
Explain to me exactly what benefit it would be to the town to reveal what I find scummy. (Which would result in scum consequently not doing the things I tend to find reliably scummy.)
So wanting an answer to a question I asked earlier is scummy, but the person who avoided answering the question in the first place is not?yabbaguy wrote:-questionable opportunism at 89 asking for an answer to his own question
Interesting that you characterized my response that way. My point was directed more toward Lowell's selective method of attack, where he is interested in a bandwagon on me due to meta arguments, but apparently shows no interest in other players at all for doing the same thing. What exactly is wrong about that?yabbaguy wrote:-now the deflection to Suave-
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Hmmmm...Lowell wrote:@farside- because I only have one vote. Zach strikes me as the bigger offender. suave is just plain lurky.
You realize you've never bothered to explain why right? Speaking of lurky... your total contribution to the game is 6 short posts.
What specifically about my posts "rub you the wrong way?"Lowell wrote:If kitty can keep up this intensity throughout she'll be an asset. If she can't than this will be a waste of our time. In general I agree with nik's assesment.
unvote, vote zach. 39 and 41, taken together, rub me the wrong way. 39 is meta and 41 is defensive and meta.
*Eyebrow* It would be one thing if you actually put much effort in explaining why you think I'm scummy, but your reasoning is actually quite vague.Lowell wrote:I'd like to see some interest in a zach wagon if folks aren't doing anything other than telling jokes.
Bold indicates you are not reading the game.Lowell wrote:@farside- I'm more or less uninspired by Kitty's recent play. She squirms too much for my liking, and overreacted to some mild comments. That said, KingMetaZach looks like a better option.
@zach- what question are you talking about?
Your accusation lacks analysis and evidence to illustrate your argument that I'm trying to appear active without ruffling any feathers.Lowell wrote:
Yes, basically. If that's pretty much all they do. It's my opinion that being meta is a good way to appear active while not really ruffling any feathers. This is what I see you doing, even in the way you phrased this question.Zachrulez wrote:
Is it your position that people who make meta arguments are scummy then?Lowell wrote:If kitty can keep up this intensity throughout she'll be an asset. If she can't than this will be a waste of our time. In general I agree with nik's assesment.
unvote, vote zach. 39 and 41, taken together, rub me the wrong way. 39 is meta and 41 is defensive and meta.
Speaking of trying to appear active... throwing accusations around without backing them up is a really good way of going about that.
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Yeah.StrangerCoug wrote:
You are not coming off as sexist. In fact, I'm starting to like Nikanor vs. MrSuave better, and I'm considering voting MrSuave.farside22 wrote:SC post 68 can't say I agree with you here. Maybe it's the female in me but I know I get that if you don't like it then you do it attitude. No I'm not trying to say this in a sexist way but I've felt many times like Kitty has when someone tells me I fail I will go back at them and say well then lets see you do better.
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Ok I've done some rereading
So when you say he's overconfident, you mean that he's too confident in his vote on you?Nikanor wrote:MrSuave, I'm starting to think you're scummy simply because of your overconfidence in the early game. Believe it or not, overconfidence is a scumtell. It's how I always catch KittyMo as scum, hehe.
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Unvote. Vote: MrSuave.
You obviously seem to want my vote anyway.
I don't know if this question was ever answered, but is this kind of play common to town Suave? (The aforementioned overconfidence)
The general idea I'm getting from the back and forth the two of you have is that he's claiming as a qualification to you being town that you must tunnel him, and you have provided evidence to the contrary, (That I haven't actually looked at yet.) that has gone ignored by Suave. Is that an accurate assessment?
I'm not liking Lowell much at this point either, his vote on Suave had weak justification with looks like it's attempting to tack on original thought where there is none.
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You have the same amount of votes.Lowell wrote:
Also, doesn't suave have more votes? If your real purpose were just to make sure we get a lynch, wouldn't you go for the leader rather than suspiciously picking someone with fewer votes?Zachrulez wrote:Deadline's in 3 days guys, we might want to come to a consensus on a lynch here.
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Seriously? Read the thread.nhammen wrote:
Why him, rather than Suave or XScorp?Zachrulez wrote:Deadline's in 3 days guys, we might want to come to a consensus on a lynch here.
Unvote: Vote: Lowell
Same amount after your vote. And you saying you are more suspicious of him is meaningless if you don't back this up with reasons. Looks like avoiding the question to me.Zachrulez wrote:You have the same amount of votes.
I picked you because I am more suspicious of you.
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unvote
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I am willing to change to Suave at deadline.
Scorp looks like a pretty easy target to attack to me, and I'm not convinced Suave is scum. Nikanor has subsequently ignored numerous inquiries from me on the matter, and that doesn't make me any more comfortable with a Suave lynch.-
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Buddying from who?nhammen wrote:BTW a Zach Suave pairing looks likely from ISOing Zach. But that could just be buddying.
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He agrees with me about the point of finding Kittymo scummy for asking questions about what people specifically find scummy. (Me in that case.)Nikanor wrote:Zach, what do you think of XScorp?
The whole town players don't attack him theory is just bad play. I find that to be a general fault in the player though and not an indicator of his alignment. (Also I've kinda been there as my early MS play was very OMGUSy)
I think lynching him over the 2nd point would be a cop out.
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Yeah, I'm well aware of that.farside22 wrote:
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Also, doesn't suave have more votes? If your real purpose were just to make sure we get a lynch, wouldn't you go for the leader rather than suspiciously picking someone with fewer votes?Zachrulez wrote:Deadline's in 3 days guys, we might want to come to a consensus on a lynch here.
Unvote: Vote: Lowell
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Actually you're vote ties the votes between lowell and mr.suave.
FTR I prefer a Lowell lynch over Suave, but I have no problem switching my vote to Suave in a deadline situation, I'm just more of a fan of pushing a lynch I prefer a little more until it's obvious it's not going to happen. (Hence why I switched from Kittymo, who is still bothering me.)-
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If that had anything to do with why he voted for Suave he never stated it, he just hopped on the bandwagon.nhammen wrote: Now for you and Lowell. You say that you are suspicious of Lowell for stating that meta attacks are scummy, but not attacking Suave, who is relying on meta attacks more than you were. Then, when Lowell attacks Suave, he is scummy for attacking Suave. So what is it?
Do you think his switch from me had more to do with the points I said he was ignoring at the time that you seem to think he apparently noticed but never mentioned in his switch from me to Suave?
Is there no room for the possibility that switch happened because there didn't seem to be any apparent support for a bandwagon on me?
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So those closer to the bottom are people you are more suspicious of?KittyMo wrote:Here's the bottom half of my scumlist. (I tried to order it as best I could, but I keep wanting to reorder it...meh):
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How does a potential scum motive for me translate to how scummy you find me? That is just strange.KittyMo wrote:Zachrulez, because I know if he is scum he wants me dead ASAP, and I don't understand his inability to read me well. (Yes, this is pretty much all meta.)
Also, yes, it has historically been true that you have been a lot better at reading me than I have been at reading you, but like the first statement, I don't understand how this statement makes me scummy.-
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*Obligatory eyebrow* I'd really like to know how you actually do manage to determine my alignment, and why you are more wishy washy on me than you've been in any other game we've ever played in.KittyMo wrote:
I don't think it's damning evidence, but I think it increases your likelihood of being scum. Now that I think about it, you probably should be higher on my list. Uggggggh.Zachrulez wrote: How does a potential scum motive for me translate to how scummy you find me? That is just strange.
Also, yes, it has historically been true that you have been a lot better at reading me than I have been at reading you, but like the first statement, I don't understand how this statement makes me scummy.
Sorry, having a crappy day. I would probably be taking a nap right now instead of posting if tomorrow wasn't deadline day.
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Lowell, you pretty much admitted in your last post that you haven't really played well and you haven't even made a good case toward why you shouldn't be lynched aside from a promise to play better tomorrow, as if we should all ignore your play today.
That is more ridiculous than the wagon on me. (Where none of the voters has an actual justified reason to be voting for me, and the wagon is actually being helped from a vote that was cast on me from the RVS.)
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It's still a terrible idea and it's still role fishing.farside22 wrote:
I think lowell it suggesting what I have seen as a hypoclaim.Zachrulez wrote:
I'm thinking this would be a terrible idea.Lowell wrote:Any chance we should do some sort of mass copclaim situation? Can we use two cops to our advantage here or what?
IE: Each person say I investigated X player and got X results.
This helps protect the cops from outing their results directly and leaves a breadcrumb for the town incase the cop is killed during the night.-
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By the way, this idea is not new.
This is one of the games such a tactic was attempted.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10191
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Your vote is unbearable and obvious.Lowell wrote:You guys are idiots. It's just a suggestion. How bad at this game do you think I am?
vote zach. This guy is unbearable and obvious.
You gave yourself away by calling for my lynch yesterday while maintaining support of the suave wagon. If you were really a townie trying to lynch the person you found most suspicious, you would have been actively trying to push my bandwagon rather than simply waiting for it to be the largest viable one.-
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Well farside, think about it this way.
If we were to hypoclaim, the scum could look at all the hypoclaims knowing exactly what results make sense and what results don't.
So pretty much what is going to happen is that the cop's results are going to make sense no matter what if they tell the truth about the results they received from the mod, and more than likely at least some of the vanillas are going to claim results that make no sense and the scum are going to instantly know it, and cross their name off the list of potential cops. (Which is exactly what the scum are hoping for.)
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It's interesting that a few people started harping on Jazz for not posting yesterday in a game with multiple lurkers.
I find it's generally a bad idea to promise a post because I always get lazy and put it off...
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I did reference that game because I knew she played in it. (My wife was also in that game, that's how I'm aware of it.)Jazzmyn wrote:
That link that Zach posted in 283 to another game where hypoclaim was done in a game with 2 cops is a good example. It helped the scum tremendously and helped the town not at all. But here's the clincher: farside was in that game, using an alt, and she had to know that the hypoclaim was a bad idea. Yet, in this game, here she was supporting the idea, and she never mentioned that she played in the very game that was linked in this thread.
For what it's worth, I read the first few pages of that game, and she was pro-hypoclaim in that game. (Which is worth noting because she was town in that game)-
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And I will quote why... once again.Jazzmyn wrote:
Hypoclaiming does not "help protect the cops" - it helps the scum figure out who the cops are. Plain and simple.
So once again, I fail to see how a hypoclaim will help "protect the cops."Zachrulez wrote:If we were to hypoclaim, the scum could look at all the hypoclaims knowing exactly what results make sense and what results don't.
So pretty much what is going to happen is that the cop's results are going to make sense no matter what if they tell the truth about the results they received from the mod, and more than likely at least some of the vanillas are going to claim results that make no sense and the scum are going to instantly know it, and cross their name off the list of potential cops. (Which is exactly what the scum are hoping for.)-
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I agree that doesn't look paticularly good for Farside.Jazzmyn wrote: Indeed, but two things.
1) farside had to know that she played in that game with an alt but she never mentioned it when you posted the link or when she quoted your post (so either she didn't read it or she hoped to hide the fact that she was in that game with an alt - either way, not pro-town play); and
From my memory, she spent a good deal of time arguing with White Castle over the final town lynch in lylo. I'm not sure how much attention she did or didn't pay to what the scum noted.Jazzmyn wrote:2) in the post-game, in which farside also participated, the scum mentioned how helpful to them the hypoclaiming had been, which should have been a sufficient basis for farside to renounce it in the strongest of terms in THIS game as soon as the suggestion was made, rather than supporting it and claiming that it helps protect cops, etc.
That's mainly the major doubt that's running through my mind that's keeping her from being my top suspect.
He did? I looked at the post, but I didn't see this.Jazzmyn wrote:I'm also noting that SC in his post 291 proposed hypodoc claiming, too (I'd missed that previously), and he has not said a word in response to all of the very sound arguments for why it is a bad idea.-
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That's really bad actually. Trying to make the case about one point and trying to defeat that one point in order to say that you don't have a case at all.Jazzmyn wrote:
No, it isn't. See my post 305 and subsequent posts.farside22 wrote:In other words Jazz most of your case is based on my clarification of what Lowell is proposing.
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And who do you think that person should be?MrSuave wrote:well, apparently this town needs my input. hm... I don't agree with you that I am scum, but I do agree this game needs some excitment. the whole no lynch at the end of day one was epic phailure, and game us no information. we need to put someone up in a tree to get something hard to pick appart. that's my opinion anyway.-
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Fair enough.farside22 wrote:
You can think what you want on it. But frankly I never vote when I'm in the middle of an analysis on a player till it's complete. I want to make sure I have everything down and look at everything from all sides before laying down a vote.Zachrulez wrote:Heh, well now you pretty much voted in direct response to my criticism, but there really isn't any way for you to defend yourself from that, so I'll let it go for now.
What are your thoughts on Jazz? I'm curious.-
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I don't really like the attacks on Xscorpion.
I'm trying to be careful not to overly excuse his general bad play, but I have a gut town read on him, and I feel pretty strongly about it, as a result I feel uneasy about pretty much any attacks on him.
Lowell I just get the sense you're soft on. Can't really explain it past that, but it's something I generally don't like.
StrangerCoug could use some pressure. I do agree that his play has been questionable.
Your points on Mr Suave are pretty sound, but I can understand why others find the attack suspicious given your stated position on meta.
Also, I have a town read on Jazz which is pretty much based on the reasoning you laid out.
So yeah, kind of a mixed bag here.-
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