Open 176 - Night Watch - GAME OVER

[hewitt]

/confirm

[hewitt]

Hey a new face! Time to die.

Not quite a new face thanks much.

[hewitt]

dramonic I'm clearly a Mason this time. RayFrost can back me up on this one.

[hewitt]

Lol Scien. Get a new strategy.

How can clearly listing out questions that he wants you to answer be dismissed as an ineffective strategy? Just answer the damn questions and stop being annoying.

Because he's posting gibberish. Hewitt, who do you currently think is most likely to be scum?

I would say you because dodging questions and attempting to discredit other players by insinuating that their strategy is stupid is pretty damn scummy.

@dramonic/hewitt: Why are you guys joking around about masons & vigs in an open setup game when strategy is being discussed?

Because the speculation about the hider business was so uninteresting and stated so clearly that there was pretty much nothing I had to add to it that would've been helpful.

[hewitt]

So you're in-favor of a hypo-hider-claim strategy?

Nope I think the hider should do whatever the fuck they want and not listen to anybody else's suggestions.

lil hew

Thanks betch.

[hewitt]

My suggestion would be to quit with the suggestions on what to do with the power roles. Considering a power role should not be trusting any other player in this game why the fuck would they want to listen to any advice any other player has to give about who to hide behind or who to watch or anything like that. I think it's stupid and I think the power roles should do whatever they feel is the best course of action. After all, if everybody knows what they're going to do before they do it then the purpose is basically defeated.

[hewitt]

Maybe I'm missing a piece of the puzzle here but how would we know who the scum is from the hider saying who they're going to hide behind?

[hewitt]

How would we have players who can be confirmed as town? If the hider hides behind scum and nothing happens then clearly that contradicts that strategy.

[hewitt]

If the hider hides and doesn't die, the person they hid behind is confirmed town.

What? Doesn't a hider only die if the person they're hiding behind is targeted? Am I missing some key element here?

Hmm.. hewitt is called out for pushing a pro-scum strategy and suddenly he is clueless about basic hider strategy. Nevermind that the hider role is detailed in the opening posts and the Hider role is detailed in the mafia wiki.

I'm confused because it seems to me that charter is spouting out incorrect gibberish. If a hider hides behind somebody and they don't die that does not confirm the player they hid behind as town correct?

[hewitt]

I have like a hundred times I don't see anything saying that if the hider hides behind somebody who is not targeted for a night kill then the player that they hid behind is confirmed innocent.

[hewitt]

Oooooh I was focusing too much on the what happens if they hide behind a townie part and not thinking about what would happen if they hide behind a mobster. Sure, then if the town wants to do the hypo-hider thing that'd be cool with me.

[hewitt]

I predict that Hewitt calls me scum in his next post because I'm a threat to him now and votes for either me or Charter.

That was a pretty silly statement. The problem with statements like this is once the player gets a chance to respond back it paints them as scum if they call out things you do as scummy and if they don't then it looks like they're playing weak. That was a nice attempt at trying to make me look bad no matter what my response is. Your points against me mean nothing to me though.

As an aside to the whole Hewitt thing, I never saw a slip that suggested that he was not legitimately confused about how the hider worked. Does someone want to point me in that direction? If he was honestly confused, I can see almost every post of his making sense from someone who doesn't know the mechanics yet. And that seems to be about half Hewitt's posts.

Yeah when things confuse me sometimes I have a problem not shutting my mouth when it should be. My bad but hey at least I get it now.

[hewitt]

So you guys are saying I don't think Hewitt is scum? I voted him, looked at his posts, said why they look bad, and left my vote. Of course I think he's scum.

The funny thing though is that your points against me don't even make sense. You're trying way too hard to push your vote on me with a really crappy case.

[hewitt]

Neither me or DRK are good lynches ekiM.

[hewitt]

You know there's a difference between a good lynch on me for legitimately good reasons (which, you know, isn't that rare) but there's not a good case on me right now.

[hewitt]

No no I was agreeing with you Ray I was talking back to ekiM.

[hewitt]

I don't think the hypo-hider claim would be a tactic that scum would come right out and propose so I don't think it's likely that you're scum at this point.

[hewitt]

It doesn't help that you aren't defending yourself. RayFrost is putting up a better defense of you than you are.

Your case is built on WIFOM and that I didn't vote charter without voting him. There isn't a defense to even be said here because that case is pretty crappy. I don't think I have to defend myself because your case is so vapid I can't.

[hewitt]

I don't think the hypo-hider claim would be a tactic that scum would come right out and propose so I don't think it's likely that you're scum at this point.

[hewitt]

I asked because I wanted to know. I'll admit I haven't been the epitome of towniness this game and I don't want scum using this opportunity to buddy up to me. I generally question people who call me town, regardless of my alignment

Whoa I did not call you town. I just said just said that you weren't a good lynch like ekiM was saying you were.

@hewitt: If you're not going to defend yourself, could you at least scumhunt maybe. You're making my powerful vote feel weak and ineffectual because it's not pressuring you to do anything.

Clearly a pressure vote is not going to work on me. I'm going to defend myself first then scum hunt second if there's pressure on me.

[hewitt]

charter I'm not just going to fabricate crappy cases and call that scum hunting (like you apparently are okay with doing).

[hewitt]

Gregory came out early throwing out some pretty crappy attacks on players. I thought the attack on charter for DDD being NK'd was far too reaching to even be seriously considered. The vote for RayFrost for RayFrost's voting was pretty scummy in my opinion. It's like he's voting for him for bandwagoning a lurker yet it was only the second vote so that didn't even make sense in my opinion.

[hewitt]

Soooo, do you think he's scum or town?

Listen, charter, unless I'm a power role I'm generally not in know on whether somebody is scum or town until they flip. Pushing me into stating whether a player is scum or town when I am not sure is fucking stupid. When I feel like I'm correct in my assessment then trust me I will make my opinion known pretty damn loudly and pretty damn clearly. So enough attempting to bully me into making a statement which I am CLEARLY not ready to make yet. What do you want, a case from me that I'm fabricating simply because you're pushing me to "scum hunt"? That's stupid, unhelpful, and anti-town.

[hewitt]

charter your entire "case" on me is a joke and I'm glad you know it.

[hewitt]

Your "scumhunting" is a joke, but you clearly don't realize.

Really and exactly how is your "scumhunting" any better? Anybody can make a crappy case charter, zwets and Empking are even capable of that. But just because you can throw shit and hope it sticks does not mean you are any sort of good scumhunter.

[hewitt]

So basically you can't formulate a good case on anybody so you're just calling people out for "not doing much" and hoping to eventually get enough people to agree with you that you can lynch them. Hmmm you know who uses that strategy quite a bit???

[hewitt]

charter you started your attack on me for not doing anything on PAGE FOUR. Do you even realize how ridiculous that is?

[hewitt]

And don't post lies either charter I haven't once whined about getting votes.

[hewitt]

So Hewitt wants us to sit around with our thumbs up our asses until a power role catches scum, right? How do people not think he's scum?

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Way to twist my words around SA, and without even being subtle about it.

I'm not misrepping. He said he doesn't want to make cases because he doesn't know who is scum. How does he expect us to find them?

There's nothing wrong with tunnel vision if you're right.

Yes, I want to lynch Hewitt and yes I hope he's scum if we lynch him.

I clearly said that when I think I've got an accurate assessment on someone I will declare it loud and clear.

Gregory- Exactly how many votes do you think is appropriate on a lurker? And if it's not okay for a second voter to agree with a first one how do you expect us to lynch someone?

Octupis- Do you have anything else to say other than spitting out whatever everybody else has already stated?

[hewitt]

I don't see any point in waiting around. I don't like long days, they are pointless.

I'm glad you're doing a great job discrediting yourself without me having to jump in there too often.

Fortunately for you SA is doing an even more awful job of making himself seem credible.

Vote: Sleepless Assassin

Honestly this is one of the worst examples of opportunistic scum I've ever experienced. How much harder can you reach dude? Definitely calling newbscum on this one, you got way too cocky and sure that the town was going to follow you too quickly.

[hewitt]

Yeah, it's Hewitt lynch time. He says SA is being opportunistic scum, but SA voted Hewitt before anyone else. Hardly what I'd call opportunistic.

Uh reaching so hard for a case that you're practically reaching for the moon is definitely playing opportunistically.

Hewitt, why did you inmediatly jump on SA when more people felt he's scum?

Pretty sure I was like the first one to be going back and forth with SA.

Just out of curiosity, what do you expect people to do in day one, when there is not a lot of actions to go on? What do

you

do to scum hunt in early games?

I do not expect town players to play opportunistically. I expect scum players to play opportunistically though. I wait for players to jump on the easy targets then attack them for playing opportunistically which is exactly what happened here.

Again, what do you expect in early game? I am actually interested in your answer here.

You honestly don't see that your current position is not helpful? People are asking you for your views to see if they make sense from a townie standpoint. You are being VERY reluctant to answer, making people think you have something to hide. When they mention this, you say they have no case because you have answered nothing. Blech. How do you think this attitude helps town out?

I don't think I haven't answered a question that's directed at me sooo yeah I'm not sure what you're talking about at all.

So it seems that what you are really saying is YOU want to sit around doing nothing until someone does the scum hunting enough to satisfy you?

Yeah that was quite the attack on the very foundation of my Mafia playing abilities. Go read me before you make an accusation like that.

[hewitt]

Hewitt, why are scum the only ones who are cocky?

Really? Where did I ever say that the scum are the only ones who are cocky. Go effing quote that right now.

[hewitt]

Uh no that was clearly not the REASONING why you are opportunistic. That was simply a fault of yours and some advice to not be so cocky next time you're scum.

[hewitt]

My reason for voting you is because you're playing like opportunistic scum who's going after who they assume is an easy target and will be the easiest player to lynch, simple as that.

[hewitt]

That vote on DDD makes absolutely no sense because SA was already in serious discussions and had a serious vote in place and all the sudden he withdraws it for a lurker vote on a player who's already dead and there's been much discussion about that death?

[hewitt]

That's fair I guess. How successful is this tactic? Have you ever hit overzealous townies with this play style? If not, maybe this is the answers to my questions: "I am usually quiet until mid day due to the fact that I wait for people that attack early. I am usually right about them being scum." As it stands right now, I think you would just as likely hit townies over extending due to weak begin of day 1 cases.

Also, are you are saying in this game that time has come and you are now going on the offensive? Or are you waiting for more people to over extend?

I guess I would have to shoot back how is my tactic any worse than yours? I don't think either of us can be positive whether this tactic is going to work but I'm pretty damn confident that it will seeing as how I found scum attacking the easy target in Open 121 and correctly identified as SensFan. Unfortunately the town didn't listen to me and lynched me instead and we lost.

I generally tend to come out stronger and stronger as the game goes on but I switch up my playstyle often. It's not unusual for me to lie low D1 then come out on the offensive when I feel I've got a good read on someone.

Hewitt, what makes you an "easy target" over, for example, Octupis or Gregory? And how are easy targets more likely to be town than scum?

The easy target is the player who scum feel they can get a quick and easy lynch on D1 without arising too much suspicion with a weak case. You presented the weak case, other players stupidly followed on board with even weaker reasonings and voila your easy target has been established. Octupis and Gregory clearly aren't the easy target because they're not even receiving pressure for their minimal contributions.

[hewitt]

So my case is scummier than the weak reasons to follow? And how much pressure was on you when I voted? And I'll ask again because you ignored it. What makes "easy" targets so likely to be town?

The initial case is scummier than the votes to follow because the case is made to manipulate weak town into voting after them. The fact that you sat back and let other people run with even weaker follow-up votes is much more likely to be scum in my opinion. Easy D1 targets are likely to be town because they're usually based off meta or silly cases that you wouldn't find anywhere but on page four of D1.

I think SA is town. I think Hewitt is scum. I think the wagon on SA has been pushed to deflect from the Hewitt wagon. Let's lynch Hewitt.

Who can argue such stellar reasoning such as this? Case in point- a weak wagon on who players deem to be the easy target. Thank you very much ekiM for validating my point.

The questions was "why is hewitt an easy target?". Answer it.

You'd have to ask SA that question, he's the one who chose it.

[hewitt]

[I think you're scum because you've refused to be pro-town. I don't care if you have a meta of being useless---that makes me happier with the lynch.

It helps that I have a pro-town read on SA.

Again with the super crappy arguments you're just on a roll here ekiM.

Eh? You said SA voted you because you're "an easy target". Explain why SA would think you're an easy target. If you can't or won't, then that argument is bullshit.

I've already outline that quite clearly. Read the thread or don't even bother ekiM, pay attention.

[hewitt]

Yes, you outlined how SA is being opportunistic by placing an early vote on you and then having other people join. The problem with that is that that's not what opportunism means. Your arguments are just crap.

My arguments are crap? Have you looked at your own? Clearly state WHY I'm scum.

[hewitt]

No, reaching is not the same thing as being opportunistic. If someone is being an opportunistic scum, then they take the

opportunity

to get a townie lynched without looking too guilty. If you want to accuse SA of being

opportunistic

you'll have to explain how she could know that placing the first vote on you and making a case on you was a good

opprtunity

to get a townie lynch.

That is not the only definition of opportunistic scum and since I know you've been around for a while you know that.

I've stated why you're scum. Because you've done nothing pro-town. All game. Because SA is a townie and the wagon on her is to defend you.

Saying you've done nothing pro-town all game is not a valid case because you are not giving concise reasonings and examples behind that. And how exactly do you know SA is a townie?

[hewitt]

Word. Hewitt is more interested in picking as many fights as he can rather than look for scum. This is really a no brainer obvscum lynch, no idea why it's this hard to go through with.

It's also really obvious that two of the people defending him or voting SA are his buddies.

I probably won't have anything else to say today, this is really straightforward.

And the attacks get even lamer. Interested in picking as many fights as I can...that is quite possibly the silliest one yet. That middle statement is incorrect by the way.

[hewitt]

The problem is you're so obscenely incorrect charter. That's a BIG problem for the town and any town player.

[hewitt]

Whatcha going to do when one and two flip town? Oh wait, nothing, town will have lost when that happens (assuming hider fail)

Well if one flips town, then obviously I need to rethink. I'm not saying lynch them regardless, just as long as the one before flips scum.

So then what do you propose happens after one lynches town?

[hewitt]

I think Hewitt's buddies can be found in Ray, Death, and Dramonic.

Yeah unfortunately for you out of the four of us two of us are for sure town. So you might want to rethink your assessment there.

[hewitt]

Seriously, why is Hewitt dead yet?

Anyone not voting Hewitt, explain thoroughly to me what pro town behavior he has displayed so far this game, what massive scumtells is the person you are currently voting dropping, and why he shouldn't be lynched.

Bullying isn't the greatest way to gather votes for your cause charter you should probably realize that by now. Maybe you should start thinking about what you're doing wrong and then maybe you'll get some more support.

[hewitt]

I don't care who defends Hewitt. In your case, it's the way you are doing it. I find Dramonic scummy for his complete turn in his stance and I find Death slightly scummy for the way he blindly followed charter on ekim until that lost support.

Hey smart one you're forgetting the most important aspect of this game, multiple power roles.

And the others are?

Wow clearly you did not read the thread because that question has already been answered.

[hewitt]

SA is town because those voting him are very scummy and his wagon sprung up right after hewitt's did. Obviously the town rival to the scum wagon on hewitt.

charter you honestly suck at making cases.

[hewitt]

I'll think he's town even if by some miracle hewitt is town.

You've discredited yourself so far that there's not even a chance that statement seems genuine at all.

[hewitt]

I don't see any point in waiting around. I don't like long days, they are pointless.

Oh, I'm fine with a gregory or hewitt lynch. Look like buddies to me.

Yeah, it's Hewitt lynch time. He says SA is being opportunistic scum, but SA voted Hewitt before anyone else. Hardly what I'd call opportunistic.

Yeah, I'm setting up the one-two-three scum lynch. What's the problem?

I'll think he's town even if by some miracle hewitt is town.

I really don't have anything more to say until someone is lynched.

SA is town because those voting him are very scummy and his wagon sprung up right after hewitt's did. Obviously the town rival to the scum wagon on hewitt.

Seriously, why is Hewitt dead yet?

Anyone not voting Hewitt, explain thoroughly to me what pro town behavior he has displayed so far this game, what massive scumtells is the person you are currently voting dropping, and why he shouldn't be lynched.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone this unhelpful in a while (haven't played with zwets or Empking recently).

[hewitt]

Clearly a player who performed the night kill is much more likely to "forget" who was night killed than anybody else would be to attempt to distance themselves away from the act. It's a pretty crappy tactic but as it's been called out before perhaps SA's newbscum.

[hewitt]

@Hewitt: If you think charter is useless you better avoid Hohum

Oh, yeah, been there, dealt with that, wanted to strangle someone afterwards. But anyway that's a little off-topic as much charter seems to love proclaiming that other players are useless he really has not contributed much himself. It's a nice little bit of hypocrisy.

[hewitt]

alas unless he plays very similarly as scum and town my metaread is definite town. You'll have to deal with it.

I'm not really sure who this is directed at and about.

[hewitt]

Yes, a scum

might

forget about who they chose to kill, but that I believe would be rare.

Well they wouldn't forget they would fake it and "forget" to make it seem as if they clearly have no association with the nightkill.

Can someone explain to me why SA is such obvnewbscum? I still maintain his vote for DDD is a pretty strong point that he didn't kill DDD.

See above. Classic newbscum mistake because they think that's a tactic that will work (and they quickly find out it clearly doesn't).

And the others are?

Wow clearly you did not read the thread because that question has already been answered.

You didn't answer the question. Would you care to point them out?

Hm you're right I haven't outright said "this is what opportunistic scum do..." but I figured you could've understood it from the conversation. Opportunistic scum set up wagons on easy targets and then let stupid town follow on it because they know it's the quickest and simplest way to get an easy D1 lynch.

Case in example- what I did as scum to BloodCovenant on D1 of Mafia 100.

[hewitt]

I would add to this a new question to Hewitt: Would you say that Ray has summed up what you are calling OMGUS on SA? Or are you calling it for other reasons? I guess, in your words without Ray defending you, why do you say SA has OMGUSed you?

I don't think SA has OMGUS'ed me. But I do think he has OMGUS'ed some of the players who are also aware of the fact that his arguments against me are crap. And just so that we're clear I'm not talking about the stupid Wiki definition of OMGUS. I'm talking Oh My God U Suck for not agreeing with me therefore I'm going to try to rally up troops and making this a faction war. An act which is completely anti-town and 100% scummy.

[hewitt]

I think...that vote count might be off. I thought KK unvoted me.

[hewitt]

But I also thought there was someone else voting me...not sure maybe I'm wrong on that one.

[hewitt]

Hypo-hider claim

N0- RayFrost
N1- Kublai Khan

[hewitt]

And instead of hypoclaiming, I'm going to claim because I seem to be on the hot seat.

I'm a watcher. Not saying who I watched because they were targeted, so I know a power role AND who they targeted.

I feel like this is a lie...

However, if SA decides to share his "information" then I'll reconsider. charter's switch to Gregory is obscenely scummy in my opinion. He's trying so hard to distract from the SA wagon that it's almost disgusting.

[hewitt]

If SA isn't going to be lynched then Gregory or Octupis would be acceptable D1 lynches for me.

Unvote, Vote: Gregory

[hewitt]

Option C would be awesome and very pro-town but I honestly don't think that SA would do something like that. But if he's saying that he's the watcher and he knows two power roles I really don't believe that at all.

[hewitt]

Oh sorry I was confused by his claiming without actually really helping anything and this

Watcher is easier to claim since he'd be outing not one but 2 PRs.

So for some reason I was under the impression that he knew two power roles.

[hewitt]

Meh, not liking hewitt's fishing and the whole "claiming without actually really helping anything," but

vote: Gregory

.

It's completely true though. It's the easiest claim for scum to pull out because they get a free pass through the day without having to do anything.

[hewitt]

So I decided to push him hard to see what reaction I got from him and others. I didn't get much from hewitt,

Well you didn't really push hard on me at all actually.

I've stated why you're scum. Because you've done nothing pro-town. All game. Because SA is a townie and the wagon on her is to defend you.

Concise, but better than using words you don't understand I guess.

I think you're scum because you've refused to be pro-town. I don't care if you have a meta of being useless---that makes me happier with the lynch.

It helps that I have a pro-town read on SA.

Eh? You said SA voted you because you're "an easy target". Explain why SA would think you're an easy target. If you can't or won't, then that argument is bullshit.

I think SA is town. I think Hewitt is scum. I think the wagon on SA has been pushed to deflect from the Hewitt wagon. Let's lynch Hewitt.

So because Hewitt is bad at Mafia you're going to excuse whatever he does? You can dismiss pretty much any scumtell with this logic. It's a terrible precedent to set in a game

DRK, hewitt = good lynches right now.

vote: hewitt

[hewitt]

Tomorrow we need to massclaim.

I disagree with this. I think one more night after at least and I think the power roles should make their own decisions for when they should claim themselves and not have you try to steamroll the town.

[hewitt]

Massclaiming in LYLO would be dumb. Then we'd have to actually think.

Why would we be in LYLO on D3???

[hewitt]

Yeah that's also saying that the power roles are going to be completely unsuccessful in their findings tonight and the night after which I really doubt is going to happen.

[hewitt]

I don't either, but that isn't what you were saying before.

No I asked you why we would be in LYLO on D3. That's exactly what I asked because I would think town players would be a little bit more confident in their scum hunting abilities.

Well, I'd prefer a hewitt lynch, but gregory is really scummy as well.

And obviously I think that they are both scum, but I think that all that time and it's not always right.

I don't believe this at all. Sometimes it's really easy to see right through players.

[hewitt]

Gregory's officially at L-1.

[hewitt]

Hewitt, what are you smoking?

How am I lucky Gregory dug his own grave charter, you're the own who was attempted to distract everybody from the SA lynch and led everybody onto Gregory.

[hewitt]

What the hell are you talking about?!?!? I've said SA is town the whole freaking game! What do you mean distract? I'm calling it like I see it, and if that doesn't fit in the groove that everyone else sees, then yeah, I am going to go a different way rather than fitting in. Then when he claims watcher, everyone immediately unvotes, except I don't have to, because I never voted him.

You're lucky gregory dug his own grave because you're the scummiest person, but it doesn't make any sense to lynch you now since gregory is scummy and isn't a power role.

After writing all this up, I'd lynch hewitt, damn the antitownness of it, he is scum.

Don't try to play the "outsider", it's an old, tired ploy. You were distracting from the SA wagon by pushing a crappy ass case and that is most certainly anti-town.

[hewitt]

unvote, vote Hewitt

There is literally no way hewitt is not scum. None.

charter you have absolutely no case on me. How about you actually fabricate a case (since you don't have one to begin with) and pretend like you're actually doing something instead of sitting there and just whining saying over and over again "hewitt is scum, hewitt is so scummy".

[hewitt]

The time to bus hewitt was a long time ago DRK.

For the record, bussing someone means they're attempting to get them lynched. Which was clearly not the case with that comment. Love the accuracy.

[hewitt]

177, hewitt says neither him or DRK are good lynches, though they clearly are. In 182, DRK asks hewitt why he wouldn't be a good lynch (which is a very bizarre question to ask). Hewitt doesn't answer.

I asked because I wanted to know. I'll admit I haven't been the epitome of towniness this game and I don't want scum using this opportunity to buddy up to me. I generally question people who call me town, regardless of my alignment

Whoa I did not call you town. I just said just said that you weren't a good lynch like ekiM was saying you were.

Don't effing misrepresent me again.

And by your logic we should just lynch you instead of SA right. I mean after all you're looking for buddies instead of scum so since you've been very much so buddying up to SA and he hasn't really reciprocated we should pretty much just assume you're his scum buddy eh?

[hewitt]

The problem is...and I know this might sounds like Mafia 101 here but...WE DON'T KNOW WHO EVEN ONE OF THE SCUM IS YET. God...damn you'd think it'd be really basic but apparently not. And here's Mafia lesson 102, YOU DON'T LYNCH SOMEONE WHO CLAIMS A POWER ROLE ON D1. That's even simpler in my opinion. On a day of such uncertainty you really can't tell who's playing scummy because they're scum or who's just playing like a dumbass town. You have to give SA the benefit of the doubt for today because it's not worth risking.

Tomorrow when SA reveals his reads it will be fairly easy to pick out whether he's lying or telling the truth considering the amount of power roles in the game.

Oh and I'll pick this out since you didn't bother (yet based your vote of it).

235

I'm getting more a newbtown vibe than newbscum vibe from SA.

236

Tell me how many people wanted to lynch Hewitt when I voted for him. I'm not just following the crowd. I voted for who I thought was scum and he hasn't defended himself or scumhunted since so I still think he's scum.

Is Hewitt a known bad player? If so, what is the difference between him being town or scum?

237

Post 0 --> Confirmed.

Nothing notable here

Right

Post 1 --> Says he's not a new face.

Posting without saying anything. The wiki calls this active lurking

Active lurking would actually require the game to have started more than, you know, 12 hours ago?

Post 2 --> Says he's a mason with Ray.

Joke from the queue. Active lurking again

Let's ignore how post 1 and 2 are 12 minutes apart <<

Post 3 --> Says Charter is scummy and he doesn't want to talk about the hider.

First off, Charter voted Hewitt so I think Hewitt sees Charter as a threat and wants everyone to think Charter is scum so we lynch Charter. Second, why isn't he voting Charter? Well if we lynch Charter, maybe Hewitt knows Charter isn't scum and doesn't want the blood on his hands. So if someone else votes Charter and then Hewitt votes later, it looks like someone else's idea.

This is a whole lot of far-fetched speculating. Hewitt called Charter out for discrediting Scien and ignoring his question, it's perfectly acceptable.

Post 4 --> Tells the hider do whatever the fuck they want.

Then how do we know when they find out who is town or scum?

Post 5 --> Says the power roles should do what they want or it defeats the purpose.

How?

Scum who knows the agenda of PRs can manipulate em easily

Post 6 --> Asks how we know who is scum from knowing what the hider does.
Post 7 --> More hider questions.

It doesn't look like Hewitt read the roles or anything.

Hider isn't a common role, it's possible to interpret something erroneously, look at your post 2 analysis.

Post 8 --> More hider questions.

Funny how he snuck an attack on Charter in there too. But Hewitt still hasn't voted anyone.

Charter explains, Hewitt doesn't get it. the latter saying the former is saying gibberish doesn't constitute an attack

Post 9 --> More hider stuff.
Post 10 --> Finally gets it and says hypo-hider thing is cool.

I predict that Hewitt calls me scum in his next post because I'm a threat to him now and votes for either me or Charter.

If you're a threat to anyone so far, it's yourself

FA in italics, myself in bold.

If that's your case on Hewitt, it's awful. I completely ruined it without even having to leave his ISO.

If your case was weak it'd be fine. Your case isn't weak, it's a lie.

Unvote
Vote: Sleepless

...don't get what your big deal is. dramonic has echoed what several other players' sentiments are here. Can you explain a little bit more clearly what you're getting at?

[hewitt]

Oh and ISO post #19.

[hewitt]

Umm, if you don't think you can't pick out scumbuddies on day one, you are sorely mistaken. I know I've done it before (I think my record is a list of five and all five were anti town, I believe) and I know I'll do it again.

And here is mafia lesson 1, yes, you don't lynch confirmable power roles day one (which watcher isn't one). What are you going to do when tomorrow SA claims to have watched someone and they didn't go anywhere? Tells us nothing. Absolutely nothing. And if you seriously subscribe to this philosophy, how can you ever lynch scum day one? All scum have to do is claim a power role and you policy unvote them. That's idiotic.

And I think SA is town, I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I don't care whether to check if that's accurate or not but you're clearly not right in this game so it wouldn't even matter anyway. I don't care about your stats or brag charts you are not correct. You're not correct and that's all that matters in this game. And I really doubt SA is going to be able to get away with lying for two nights worth of information with all the power roles. Not plausible. It makes much more sense to wait and see if he's lying or not.

[hewitt]

Oh and ISO post #19.

[hewitt]

Not even going to lie that's actually a pretty good point. That was way too easy for him to claim and then disappear and let others start popping up as possible lynches. I really don't think a town player would do that and I don't think that they'd withhold their information at L-1 with dire consequences looming in the distance for two mislynches in a row.

Unvote

I need to think about that and SA you need to tell us what your N0 results were.

[hewitt]

No, SA, you do not need to say what your N0 results were, for the reason I just said.

Ugh, could it be any more obvious hewitt is scum? I think not.

No charter I'm agreeing with RayFrost on this one he needs to let us know the role he learned of through his N0 actions. I'm not letting this bullshit run for any longer.

[hewitt]

WAIT. WAIT. WAIT A SECOND. I just PM'd the mod asking a question and if I get the answer I think I'm going to get then this is all very unnecessary and SA would 100% not be telling the truth.

[hewitt]

HAHA! It doesn't even matter! SA just claimed an impossible role based on night actions, SA you just royally fucked yourself over that was the wrong power role to claim lol. Valiant effort though it almost worked for a second.

Vote: Sleepless Assassin

[hewitt]

Without outing the other power role I am a watcher. I watched a certain player's house and detected another player at that house as well. That must be a power role and it can't be scum because it wasn't DDD's house, it was player that's alive today. I know what that other power role is and since the two of us both went to the same house according to SA's claim that would make him the third living power role. There would be nobody else who could target us for a night action meaning he'd had to have targeted the same house we went to in order to learn of a power role. However, that would mean he'd have known that I am a power role and wouldn't have attacked me and would've claimed that he knew both other power roles since the other two of us targeted the same house. Hence, his claim is impossible.

[hewitt]

correction *I know WHO that power role is not what

[hewitt]

Power Role A (Watcher)- Me
Power Role B (Watcher)- Sleepless Assassin
Power Role C (Hider)- (I know but not outing)

I watch Player X and detected a bug (Power Role C) at Player X's house.
If Sleepless Assassin watched Power Role A or Power Role C he would not have detected a bug at either of our house's meaning he would not know another power role.
If Sleepless Assassin watched Player X he would have detected both Power Role A and Power Role C and learned TWO power roles not the one that he claimed.

His claim is impossible, he is lying.

[hewitt]

He can't be the other watcher, it's impossible. If he was the other watcher he would've had to watch the same house that I did and would've learned that A) I am a power role and he wouldn't have attempted to lynch me and B) wouldn't have claimed that he only knew of one other power role he would've detected both us there.

[hewitt]

Also always a possibility. SA's certainly welcome at taking a stab at proving me wrong.

[hewitt]

@hewitt
When did this realization cross your mind and when did you ask the mod?

After charter made his whole point defending the fact that SA could just be using a scum ploy.

Hewitt, you do know that assuming SA is lying, you don't know the role of the person you saw last night, right?

I don't know the other power role's role but I know a player who is a another power role.

[hewitt]

didnt you just say earlier the one you saw was hider?

No and I can't know that. The only thing I know is who the other power role is.

And lynching dramonic today would be completely stupid because SA is caught lying scum with a 100% chance of flipping scum.

[hewitt]

Are you guys kidding me? SA claimed how long ago? This just now enters hewitt head a day before deadline?

Actually it was you who made me take a closer look at SA's claim so thank you very much for that. I kept thinking that the third power role that I didn't know was the one that SA found out until it was like well duh he is claiming the third power role which means he's talking about one of us. And then I PM'ed the mod asking her a really confusing and pointless question, now that I think about it, and I was like wait my question doesn't even matter because his claim is impossible either way.

[hewitt]

Yeah, I'm not buying that.

Your ignorance to facts is noted and likely will be helpful to the town after SA flips scum.

[hewitt]

The only facts are that you and SA are both claiming the other is scum.

No actually they're not. Because I can open my inbox and look at the fact sitting there. Unfortunately, you can't for sure know that but as long as I do know that and once today is over it will be public knowledge I will be very happy.

[hewitt]

Post #441

[hewitt]

Why are we lynching a claimed watcher on day one? I'm sure hewitt is scum, but not going to vote him now since he claimed watcher.

We need to be lynching dramonic. Let's get a move on.

That doesn't make any sense at all even if I were to be lying and SA was the real watcher. One of us two is clearly scum. What are you playing at attempting to lynch dramonic?

[hewitt]

And dramonic is scummy as hell. There's more scum than just you or SA. Dramonic is probably one of them.

This whole line of reasoning is just silliness.

[hewitt]

Ugh I'm going to be really unhappy if I just claimed for no reason and we end the day not lynching SA and then I get nightkilled.

[hewitt]

Now we know at least one is town. Before that wasn't the case, so going on a 50/50 shot of lynching a powerrole on day one doesn't seem like a good idea to me. What about you?

But it's not 50/50 because SA LIED ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. You just can't get over the fact that you were wrong about me, which is, you know, awesome if you're scum and pretty damn scummy if you're town.

[hewitt]

Ooooh myyyyy Goooood charter this is has been hashed out so many times.

Yeah, after the hypo hider thing, I know if the person I saw is a watcher or a hider. That means I know one of our power role's exact role.

He can't know the power role he claimed he detected exact role.

I'm a watcher. Not saying who I watched because they were targeted, so I know a power role AND who they targeted.

Two power roles were on the same target last night meaning if he was the third power role he would've known who both of the power roles were.

[hewitt]

OR MAYBE IT WILL NET US AN ADDITIONAL SCUMBAG? WHY THE HELL DO YOU THINK POWERROLES ARE IN THIS GAME? TO ACT AS CONFIRMABLE TOWN? NO IT'S TO CATCH SCUM.

Seriously, what is so hard to understand about this.

What are you smoking?!?! Lynch somebody who is an absolute question mark instead of one of two people who we KNOW has a 50% shot of flipping scum and if they do not then lynching the next person tomorrow.

WHAT ARE YOU NOT UNDERSTANDING ABOUT THIS?!

For the love of God if you are a town player I am going to be extremely angry after this game is over.

[hewitt]

Okay stop stop stop for a couple of seconds. Enough of the simulposting.

We are going to face a serious issue tomorrow if we can't get everybody clear and on board to lynch SA. I'm sure we're making this extremely frustrating and complicated for those who aren't posting as frequently as we are. Which means myself, dramonic, RayFrost, we kind of have to cool it a little bit. We need to list the facts and then let players like Kublai, Gregory, Octupis, DRK, ekiM, and Scien get a chance to catch up so they're not overwhelmed and uncomfortable with an SA lynch tomorrow (considering it's deadline).

[hewitt]

Watcher can't from

just

the night action results. Needs more info.

This is true.

[hewitt]

Myself, Kublai Khan, dramonic, DeathRowKitty, Scien, RayFrost, and charter.

That should be a lynch eh?

[hewitt]

Yeah I figured. That was a great little plus 1 to pretend like he was all for it the whole time.

[hewitt]

Mod...

[hewitt]

ugh...go town.