Open 176 - Night Watch - GAME OVER

[Sleepless Assassin]

Dramonic, that link wasn't to the game.

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Ok I'm caught up. What's the plan?

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ekim nothing really happened yet except DDD dying.

Vote Hewitt

I guess.

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Hey sleeplessassassin, maybe you can comment on what

people have said

? Like, whether you agree, disagree, find anything scummy?

Hewitt and Kublai are pretty scummy. I can't decide on Charter but right now I think he's town. Scien is probably town. Dramonic has my attention, but I'm not sure why.

Read Hewitt's posts though so we can lynch him.

Post 0 --> Confirmed.

Nothing notable here

Post 1 --> Says he's not a new face.

Posting without saying anything. The wiki calls this active lurking

Post 2 --> Says he's a mason with Ray.

Joke from the queue. Active lurking again

Post 3 --> Says Charter is scummy and he doesn't want to talk about the hider.

First off, Charter voted Hewitt so I think Hewitt sees Charter as a threat and wants everyone to think Charter is scum so we lynch Charter. Second, why isn't he voting Charter? Well if we lynch Charter, maybe Hewitt knows Charter isn't scum and doesn't want the blood on his hands. So if someone else votes Charter and then Hewitt votes later, it looks like someone else's idea.

Post 4 --> Tells the hider do whatever the fuck they want.

Then how do we know when they find out who is town or scum?

Post 5 --> Says the power roles should do what they want or it defeats the purpose.

How?

Post 6 --> Asks how we know who is scum from knowing what the hider does.
Post 7 --> More hider questions.

It doesn't look like Hewitt read the roles or anything.

Post 8 --> More hider questions.

Funny how he snuck an attack on Charter in there too. But Hewitt still hasn't voted anyone.

Post 9 --> More hider stuff.
Post 10 --> Finally gets it and says hypo-hider thing is cool.

I predict that Hewitt calls me scum in his next post because I'm a threat to him now and votes for either me or Charter.

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Ray, Scien is right. The italics are my opinions on what Hewitt said.

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So you guys are saying I don't think Hewitt is scum? I voted him, looked at his posts, said why they look bad, and left my vote. Of course I think he's scum.

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The funny thing though is that your points against me don't even make sense. You're trying way too hard to push your vote on me with a really crappy case.

It doesn't help that you aren't defending yourself. RayFrost is putting up a better defense of you than you are.

So you guys are saying I don't think Hewitt is scum? I voted him, looked at his posts, said why they look bad, and left my vote. Of course I think he's scum.

You may think it wholeheartedly, but you didn't give much of a reason on it.

Looking at it from the "u r haz reasons" perspective:

1. some WIFOM

2. an accusation based off of said WIFOM

3. missing the logic anywhere that is called analysis~

also, EBWOP on previous thing:

misrep / possible chainsaw

Isn't WIFOM just trying to guess what scum would do? How are we gonna catch scum if we don't know what scum would do? Why do you seem to think WIFOM is so bad?

Octupis is seemingly AWOL.

DRK, hewitt = good lynches right now.

vote: hewitt

I agree with this guy.

Neither me or DRK are good lynches ekiM.

Why don't you think I'd be a good lynch?

Why would you ask that?

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So Hewitt wants us to sit around with our thumbs up our asses until a power role catches scum, right? How do people not think he's scum?

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I'm not misrepping. He said he doesn't want to make cases because he doesn't know who is scum. How does he expect us to find them?

There's nothing wrong with tunnel vision if you're right.

Yes, I want to lynch Hewitt and yes I hope he's scum if we lynch him.

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Since when is it that, since

he

chooses not to, the rest of use aren't allowed to scumhunt?

Good idea! We can all scumhunt except about three of us! Like maybe...the scum. Oh, wait...

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Tell me how many people wanted to lynch Hewitt when I voted for him. I'm not just following the crowd. I voted for who I thought was scum and he hasn't defended himself or scumhunted since so I still think he's scum.

Is Hewitt a known bad player? If so, what is the difference between him being town or scum?

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Hewitt, why are scum the only ones who are cocky?

Unvote, Vote Debonair Danny DiPietro

.

I forgot he was playing. All he's posted is one smiley.

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Shit.

Unvote, Vote Hewitt

.

Danny is dead.

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And I'm curious why Ray is not only so quick to go out of his way defending Hewitt, but seems to agree with Hewitt's entire way of thinking.

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Vote: Sleepless Assassin

Honestly this is one of the worst examples of opportunistic scum I've ever experienced. How much harder can you reach dude? Definitely calling newbscum on this one,

you got way too cocky and sure that the town was going to follow you too quickly.

Makes it sound like you think being cocky makes me scum. If not, your case is that I was opportunistic, which I clearly wasn't.

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I didn't say it was your reasoning why I'm supposedly opportunistic. I said you were using those both as reasons why I was scum. The cockiness isn't a scumtell and the opportunism is untrue. So what are your reasons for voting?

By the way, I'll be cocky regardless of my alignment. Might as well get used to it, scum.

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Hewitt, what makes you an "easy target" over, for example, Octupis or Gregory? And how are easy targets more likely to be town than scum?

The Danny vote was a pressure vote on what I thought was a lurker. I completely forgot he was dead, or even in the game, so I isolated his post, saw just the smiley, and voted. I made my point about Ray defending you (Hewitt) and then erased it thinking Ray might be the rolecop with a watcher result on you. Then when I looked back to see what role was already dead, I remembered both that it was the rolecop and that it was Danny. So when my theory was shot, I revoted you and posted the point about Ray.

@SA
What do you think of scien?

I haven't seen anything scummy from him.

One thing to consider though first and this is important: we might eventually want our hider to die to prove someone to be scum (in fact I think trying to have our hider go kamikaze at some point is probably optimal play). When should the hider start targetting possible scum candidates and for how long should the hider hide behind probable townies?

That's a scummy thing to say. The longer the hider is alive, the more targets they can have. The more targets they have, the more useful they are.

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To do that, the hider has to claim and claim targets. All the scum have to do then is target the same person as the hider on the first night they claim. Under your plan, the hider only has one chance to hit scum because he's probably dead that night.

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That's the point of the hypo-claim...everyone claims who they'd hide behind so the scum

don't

know who the hider is. I seem to recall you agreeing with the hypo-claim. Do you understand the point of the hypo-claim?

Oh, ok. Yeah, you're right. Still think the hider should clear town and get more targets though.

The easy target is the player who scum feel they can get a quick and easy lynch on D1 without arising too much suspicion with a weak case. You presented the weak case, other players stupidly followed on board with even weaker reasonings and voila your easy target has been established. Octupis and Gregory clearly aren't the easy target because they're not even receiving pressure for their minimal contributions.

So my case is scummier than the weak reasons to follow? And how much pressure was on you when I voted? And I'll ask again because you ignored it. What makes "easy" targets so likely to be town?

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I think Hewitt's buddies can be found in Ray, Death, and Dramonic.

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Ray, my post against hewitt was me doing my best. Just because it's not good enough for you doesn't mean it's wrong.

How have I OMGUS'd you at all? I'm not saying "Ray is scum because he's voting me." I'm saying "Ray is scum because he is defending Hewitt very hard for no good reason, agreeing with everything Hewitt says, buddying to Hewitt, and attacking anyone who calls Hewitt scummy".

I don't care who defends Hewitt. In your case, it's the way you are doing it. I find Dramonic scummy for his complete turn in his stance and I find Death slightly scummy for the way he blindly followed charter on ekim until that lost support.

Oh and

I agree with everything you put in big letters thinking it somehow disproved what I've been saying. The fact that you use big letters to state the obvious doesn't mean that anything I have said is wrong/scummy. I still think you are scum. Have a nice day

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I take it you don't think it wise to have the hider try to clear someone first? Just wondering, what's your thought process for that?

The hider can get more results by targeting town and staying alive. The more people we clear, the quicker we can narrow down who is town. Also, the hider being alive is one more living town player which never hurts.

I don't care who defends Hewitt. In your case, it's the way you are doing it. I find Dramonic scummy for his complete turn in his stance and I find Death slightly scummy for the way he blindly followed charter on ekim until that lost support.

Hey smart one you're forgetting the most important aspect of this game, multiple power roles.

Don't be a dumbass.

If that's your best as town, I'd love to see your scum play, I really would.

Yeah, I'd probably suck pretty bad as scum lol.

Why all the tunneling SA?

I'm just trying to lynch who I think is scum. It's not like it's hard to know by reading my posts what my opinions are on everyone else.

Sleepless Assassin made a random vote. charter tunneled on his random vote target, so Sleepless Assassin acted like his vote is and always has been a serious for-sure vote that hewitt is scum. Then he changes his mind and does a quick "vote-the-dead-guy" ploy.

I'm willing to vote to lynch Sleepless Assassin.

I was looking for someone who was active lurking and it seemed like Hewitt was, so I voted. It wasn't random. I just wasn't too sure about it yet because there wasn't really anything to go off of. And the Danny vote wasn't this big ploy you make it out to be. It was me being stupid and forgetting who died. I'm not trying to say it makes me town because I could have easily forgotten whether I was town or scum. It was nothing and shouldn't even matter.

@SA
Who are your top 3 or 4 scum candidates and why?

Hewitt-reasons given already.
Ray-reasons given
Kublai-just a feeling that's been there pretty much all game, but I can't find anything against him.
Dramonic- his turnaround stance.

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And instead of hypoclaiming, I'm going to claim because I seem to be on the hot seat.

I'm a watcher. Not saying who I watched because they were targeted, so I know a power role AND who they targeted.

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Yeah, after the hypo hider thing, I know if the person I saw is a watcher or a hider. That means I know one of our power role's exact role.

I'm not saying what I'm doing tonight. Town has no reason to know and scum wants nothing more than to know.

Kublai, I haven't disappeared. I'm just not online as much as most people around here (except the beginning of last week because I was sick and pretty much sat at my computer non-stop, but I don't usually do that).

Unvote, Vote Gregory

. Deadline is coming up, so he's our lynch whether I like it or not.

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I'm not outting another power role for no reason.

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Unvote, Vote Hewitt

I'm trying to think why he'd come out and counter like that though. All I can think of is he wants to force me to claim who the other power role is or Gregory is his scumbuddy and he wants to take the heat off of Gregory knowing that he (Hewitt) is seen as scummy already anyway. I don't know. The reason why doesn't really matter considering he's already done it and has to be scum. Ray is almost definitely his scumbuddy.

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@SA
Who are your top 3 or 4 scum candidates and why?

Hewitt-reasons given already.
Ray-reasons given

Kublai-just a feeling that's been there pretty much all game, but I can't find anything against him.
Dramonic- his turnaround stance.

I was close...

Anyway, about the watcher thing. I didn't think anyone would counterclaim because there were two. Then I figured we could lynch someone who might actually be scum and then I'd be killed at night.