Open 180 - 3 of 5 / Out in the Wilde (Game Over!)

[Alduskkel]

Vote: hohum

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[Alduskkel]

This was an epic English to English translation of the opening flavor:

Regent. Do not have a hat. Are you sure that you have lost your handkerchief on the road, but you're too tired. E 'dark, can be seen crawling slowly toward the horizon SE. Behind you, you see the smoking remains the name of the city, the vibrant, decimated by the attacks from the crowd.

Most of the people around you are strange, but you know that you are only ten of them stayed with their beloved city, and we need each other to survive here The Trust Game.

A familiar voice broke the silence, stop to eat something, right? I'm starving. Was the voice of Oscar Wilde, poet laureate of Canada. Wilde was the only acknowledged the work and joy. If it were not for his quick humor and linguistic talent, probably a crazy long.

"What is it? Beans, right? Minutes of waiting, we say our prayer before the meal."

[Added the quotation marks. -Aldy]

The rest I found a groan. Oscar was for some fictitious god, seen in a dream. I think a lot, and the rest of you thought it was heat stroke.

"Come, do not be shy, come together around. Nicanor

[I don't know why it changed the K to a C. -Aldy]

Big O, I want to thank you for this meal, gave us the energy to function. We also want protection against the Mafia, he showed me in a dream,"

[Wasn't sure where to put the comma and quotation mark. -Aldy]

in which the rest of the surprising Murmester [Dunno why murmurs got changed to this. -Aldy] together. No one said Mafia days. Why now?

Suddenly, he dies suddenly. The blast was heard in the direction of the poet. Wild links breast, waiting impatiently for a few seconds and then decreases. Said nothing for a moment, then two. None of you wants to be the first to speak.

Night falls, and we all go to bed without saying a word. Everyone knows that the Mafia is present in their group, but none of you would not like to admit. They know that tomorrow will be a tough day.
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This is real. The only other things I changed was that the original had some commas placed before and after periods, like so. , Which wasn't very funny.
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Anyway, does anyone think that the Miller should claim right now, if we have one?

[Alduskkel]

Mod: Any idea if the Miller was supposed to know that he was Miller?

Any millers that may exist in this game were given the miller role pm I have provided. ~Nikanor

[Alduskkel]

No, I mean, was the original setup intended that way?

[Alduskkel]

I don't recall shaft.ed (the creator of the setup) saying that the Miller knew he was a Miller, and it seems to defeat the purpose of having a Miller if they can just claim and it's poor play for Mafia to claim it (since the risk of a counter claim would make it not worth it).

[Alduskkel]

Just saying that I think it would have made more sense for the Miller to think they were Vanilla in this particular setup.

[Alduskkel]

Well, according to shaft.ed (designer of this setup, though its based on Two of Four, which I don't think he came up with) the Miller knows that he's a Miller.

*shrug*
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Reread the game and I have nothing to say, except that I'd like to know hohum's specific reasoning behind post 29.

[Alduskkel]

Well, don't you think that saberwolf's claim raises his % chance of being Town? What is your response to post 31?

[Alduskkel]

DeathSauce, how do you intend to get a read on hohum?

It's not as easy as it sounds.

[Alduskkel]

Do you have any suspects? If not, you should get some. They're all the rage nowadays.

In all seriousness, you need to contribute something.

[Alduskkel]

Oh, definitely.

But don't you have anything else to say?

[Alduskkel]

lol...

Well, what do you think of policy lynching hohum? I don't think it's a good idea, since we only have 4 lynches to take out 2 scum, and there's been no good indication that hohum is scum (meaning he defaults to being pro-Town).

[Alduskkel]

Unvote

by the way.

[Alduskkel]

I don't really understand why Mr. Suave would (if he's scum) push for a hohum lynch when the votes weren't there.

[Alduskkel]

Putting Mr. Suave at L-1 seems... hasty, to say the least. I'd at least like to hear from Trumpet of Doom, and a claim from Mr. Suave.

[Alduskkel]

Mr. Suave voters: Please respond to post 83.

[Alduskkel]

I don't see the scum motivation behind it.

And where is malpascp?

[Alduskkel]

To elaborate, I don't see why Mr. Suave would try to start a bandwagon that didn't look good to begin with.

[Alduskkel]

Alduskkel: if you're Suave's scum partner you'd do better to bus him.

Nope -- just don't buy the case.

[Alduskkel]

And I noticed no one is responding to 103.

[Alduskkel]

As long as you have something to drink with it, too.
Are we just raising our PPDs then?

[Alduskkel]

As long as you have something to drink with it, too.
Are we just raising our PPDs then?

that's just my way of saying the point is either irrelevant, or I have nothing to say on the matter.

Do you think Suave is just that poor of a scum player?

[Alduskkel]

It's irrevelant. We can't read Suave's mind.

I think we need to look into

motivations

for actions. If there's no scum motivation then it's not a scum tell.

[Alduskkel]

It's irrevelant. We can't read Suave's mind.

I think we need to look into

motivations

for actions. If there's no scum motivation then it's not a scum tell.

welcome to WIFOMland. Population: You

Back to basics: a scum tell is something that raises the % chance of someone being scum. If there isn't a motivation for scum to do X, then they have no reason to do it. If a person does X then they didn't have a scum motivation for doing it. Therefore, it's at best a null tell.

I don't see why I even have to explain this.

[Alduskkel]

Maybe it's a play-style difference then. I always have a motivation for saying something.

If you don't think there's a scum motivation behind Mr. Suave's actions, then why is it scummy?

[Alduskkel]

my personal experience with Suave-town doesn't look like this.

How so?

[Alduskkel]

Link?

[Alduskkel]

hohum, explain to me how my reasoning that Mr. Suave's actions, while not pro-Town, were not scum tells either, was flawed.

[Alduskkel]

And why didn't anyone unvote (or, for Santos, why did you hammer) when it was clear that Mr. Suave was basically claiming Doctor?

[Alduskkel]

What makes you think I was so certain?

[Alduskkel]

And what exactly is scummy about ToD's unvote, by the way?

[Alduskkel]

hohum, explain to me how my reasoning that Mr. Suave's actions, while not pro-Town, were not scum tells either, was flawed.

He had 5 other people in this thread fooled and yet you somehow had the clarity of vision to see through some of the worst doc play on site? I don't buy that at all.

So you're attacking me for being a good player? Real good scum hunting there bro.

And why didn't anyone unvote (or, for Santos, why did you hammer) when it was clear that Mr. Suave was basically claiming Doctor?

After a mislynch a common scum tactic is to cycle through a wagon and lay the blame on thick. Seems to be what you're laying down the foundation to do here.

I haven't blamed anyone.

[Alduskkel]

hohum, explain to me how my reasoning that Mr. Suave's actions, while not pro-Town, were not scum tells either, was flawed.

If you can't answer this quote, then my logic stands, and thus I had good cause to believe that he was pro-Town.

[Alduskkel]

hohum, explain to me how my reasoning that Mr. Suave's actions, while not pro-Town, were not scum tells either, was flawed.

If you can't answer this quote, then my logic stands, and thus I had good cause to believe that he was pro-Town.

Let's try this a different way. If you want to convince anyone that you don't have inside knowledge of the setup you need to point out *ONE* pro-town thing he did.

I never said he was pro-Town. I said he wasn't scum. Big difference.

[Alduskkel]

hohum, explain to me how my reasoning that Mr. Suave's actions, while not pro-Town, were not scum tells either, was flawed.

If you can't answer this quote, then my logic stands, and thus I had good cause to believe that he was pro-Town.

Let's try this a different way. If you want to convince anyone that you don't have inside knowledge of the setup you need to point out *ONE* pro-town thing he did.

I never said he was pro-Town. I said he wasn't scum. Big difference.

Not really. You're either town or you aren't There's no gray area.

I like my vote.

I knew you'd say that...
Pro-Town is a behavior. It means you're helping the Town. Scum is an alignment. It means you win when you have a majority.

There are many anti-Town players with a Town alignment, and Scum have to be at least somewhat Pro-Town, or else they'll be lynched.

[Alduskkel]

Simply put, Mr. Suave did not exhibit any scum tells. I've explained why in the past. What he was doing was anti-Town, but as I said he didn't have a scum motivation for his actions.

[Alduskkel]

Dude, I was going on and on about it before Mr. Suave was lynched. Are you even reading the game?

[Alduskkel]

Prodded. hohum still has a bad case and Santos is still bandwagoning.

I think I'll

Vote: Santos

for aforementioned bandwagoning.

[Alduskkel]

Why do you have a Town read on Santos?

[Alduskkel]

I'm getting bandwagoned even though NO ONE has addressed my defense.

[Alduskkel]

I'm not accusing hohum of anything.

One of my posts defending myself is post 175. There are others though.

dramonic, are you reading the thread? Because all this should have been obvious.

[Alduskkel]

You call that a defense? 0_o

Bandwagonning someone over a meta you do not possess is scummy. Not claiming at L-1 is scummy.

There, it's broken.

Explain how any of that is scummy. Specifically, explain why scum are more likely to do this than Town.

[Alduskkel]

your whole argument seems to be based on "well that's too obvious for scum to do, so that's anti-town".

It isn't.

BTW I can use the same argument that you're using: You have yet to explain why his actions were more anti-town than scummy.

Except that I have. There isn't a scum motivation to his actions.

[Alduskkel]

the scum motivation is to get someone lynched other than themselves.

Except that scum are also not going to try this if they don't think they have a shot at it. Since no one was expressing real suspicion on you, there wasn't a scum motivation.

[Alduskkel]

Not claiming at L-1 is scummy.

Does that mean that you want a claim from me, dramonic? I only think it's worthwhile to claim if someone indicates that they're going to hammer.

[Alduskkel]

I'd FoS Santos for 236 if I wasn't already voting for him. I'm won't claim since I'm not at L-1.

[Alduskkel]

Rofl hohum. I'd sig that if it wasn't too long.

[Alduskkel]

Oh goddammit Nikanor.

Haha, sorry! ~Nik

[Alduskkel]

My arguments are not "crap" dramonic, and if you wish to say they are then you'll have to prove it.

[Alduskkel]

I blew up your defense in something like 10 words.

[Alduskkel]

I blew up your defense in something like 10 words.

sorry, 17 words.

Lol...

But no.

[Alduskkel]

Santos is town, and I agree with Alduskkel.

You can't think Santos is Town AND agree with me.

[Alduskkel]

Why are you still voting me? What have I done today, besides the obviously-blatant bandwagons, that puts me as your number 1, most suspicious, candidate today?

Alduskkel, same questions, please.

I'm actually feeling better about you. Aside from the hammer you haven't done anything really scummy.

Unvote

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Trumpet: I think you're tunneling on hohum.

[Alduskkel]

Trumpet of Doom is not in the active users list. :V

[Alduskkel]

So one moment hohum is the scummiest guy in the world, and the next you're changing your vote to malpascp? This seems like pretty blatant bandwagoning to me.

Vote: Trumpet of Doom

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[Alduskkel]

But happy birthday ToD!

[Alduskkel]

Well the problem is that we can't agree who should die, isn't it?

[Alduskkel]

I think the idea that dramonic is more "off-hands" in his playstyle than in another Town game is just a detail of the big picture: namely, that this game is going a bit slow at the moment.

[Alduskkel]

At least when I'm being an asshole I'm making a point.

lawl

Not that I'm making a point either.

[Alduskkel]

Posting to avoid prod. Santos's statement that the game "is no longer stagnant" has unsurprisingly become a lie.

[Alduskkel]

I modded Santos in Open 156. He was Town, and his play was... less than spectacular. *ahem*

102/103 : Ew. Seriously. This is some serious buddying here. Why? If you want to apply the newb argument to Suave's play then you have to consider: this is his third game. The slack should be cut at this point.

In terms of actual scum hunting/policy lynching issue, Suave's game play provided a giant smoke screen on day one post-flip. This is 5 pages in at this point and Suave's main case is: lynch the guy who's meta is usually read as obv scum, not because of the actual posts that Hohum did. This in itself is scummy, non scumhunting.

Hey, if you want to go back and actually quote and refute my defense of Suave, then by all means do so. Until then you haven't addressed any of my actual points.

310: OMG. Bad comment. Scumdar is going off. Pew pew pew! Why? "Town has trouble agreeing on who to kill =/= helping town find scum" That's just active useless lurking.

What are you saying here exactly?

Ew what? 320. If you make a statement like that post a link to meta call this.

Now, why did I have to give a link for my statement? What I said had nothing to do with dramonic's play in other games.

Also answering on behalf of Drac is scummy.

Last time I checked it's fairly common for a Townie (note: If I say Townie I mean pro-Town person, not necessarily vanilla) to answer for other people. If dramonic is scum, fine, you have a valid point. Until then it's just speculation.

Stop coasting, stop saying you have no reason to suspect anyone of being scummy and defaulting them to pro-town.

I don't recall doing this. Except maybe with Mr. Suave, and I was RIGHT.

Posting for the sake of avoiding a prod without playing is called active lurking.

Well I don't want to get replaced but I also didn't have anything to say. Would you have preferred it if I had just thrown out some random crap?

[Alduskkel]

Trumpet of Doom is tooting his own horn?

And Santos, are you seriously attacking DeathSauce for lurking? He's V/LA.

ToD: Bussing is way more common than you would have us think. Almost makes me think you and hohum are, in fact, the scum team. But that remains to be seen.

[Alduskkel]

@Adul
1. Ok more original thoughts please. Who is scummy to you at this time. K thanks. Also why didn't you address what I post?

Check the vote count. And I'm pretty sure I am responding to what you post.

hohum, the role PMs are posted in the 2nd post. Exactly how do you intend to break the setup?

[Alduskkel]

ToD: Look, I'm not saying that a scum team between you and hohum is likely (I think it's rather unlikely), but I still think it's a definition possibility. I just think it's a bit much to consider one cleared if the other flips scum.

[Alduskkel]

Unvote, Vote: dramonic

. I just realized that you've been posting one-liners for practically the whole game. What have you been doing to scum hunt lately, either? In fact you have really not followed up on your vote for me at all.

[Alduskkel]

Well, ToD and DTM are scum. They probably want to bus each other while getting me lynched today for their win. Don't care who we lynch first, but since DTM has more votes:

Vote: DTMaster

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I love how he seems uncertain that ToD is scum, even though the guy counterclaimed him. I'm really not following his "breadcrumb" either.

ToD's breadcrumbs are awfully obvious, why wasn't he NK'd if he was the real Cop? I don't care if it's WIFOM, Mafia don't want people getting cleared, they're hunting around for the Cop.

[Alduskkel]

Interesting how no NK happened, considering there is no reason to not kill when you have 2 confirmed townies (me and Santos)

Yeah, if I'm scum one of you would be dead by now. Alduskkel doesn't have quite as obvious reasoning for a kill.

Nice to see you already trying to work NK WIFOM to your advantage.

Vote: Trumpet of Doom

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[Alduskkel]

I had to bus because Malascp was obv scum with Adul :d

I actually felt it was unnecessary and was slightly upset that you were bringing up accusations against me that no one in the Town seemed to have picked up on.

The No Kill was to avoid NK WIFOM. I thought it was too obvious to leave dramonic alive and not Santos.

The quicktopic tells the rest of the story. I'll post it with DTM's permission.

[Alduskkel]

http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/VUTuff57xzfiC

[Alduskkel]

Town needed another Doctor, actually.

[Alduskkel]

I was a mason with Suave.

No way, I was a Mason with Suave, that was the only way I could have known that he was pro-Town.