Open 180 - 3 of 5 / Out in the Wilde (Game Over!)

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Vote: MrSuave

since I never did last game.

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Perhaps "I have just undergone" would work?

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Which still doesnt answer my question. WHat's the correct word?

I feel unloved and ignored...

Anyway, does anyone think that the Miller should claim right now, if we have one?

Sounds like a good idea to me.

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I AM

*snip* miller

Good to know.

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hohum, would you rather he claimed

after

the cop (if there is one) said "hey, I have a guilty on saber" instead of before?

And no, you can't compare claiming VT to claiming miller in this setup.

FoS: hohum.

About the only thing they both do is tell scum not to waste time assuming he's a useful PR (but the miller claim should also make him more or less confirmed/unlynchable).

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Hm. Did I not make that post? I thought I had. I'll probably redo it later tonight; if not, tomorrow for sure.

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My random vote's still on? Crap.

Unvote,

although I agree that Suave's play is a bit worrisome and worth keeping an eye on.

We seem to have moved on, but this is probably worthy of note (since someone brought up setup analysis): there's a 60% chance that saber's telling the truth with his claim, and 70% of the time, it doesn't make sense for scum to be the first ones to claim a town PR. (Hint: Don't get me started on setup analysis. I can put a lot of effort into it.)

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Now you mention meta, I'd need to take a look back at 813, but I kinda think I got similar vibes from Suave there that I get here. (For reference, he flipped scum in Mini 813.)

saber, at least in part, sounds a lot like me. I'm a very analytical player, but unlike him, I can't do gut scumhunting. (It also helps me a lot if I have a bunch of material to work with.) If Suave would get on and claim, I'd be able to offer my thoughts on if the claim makes sense or not... I do have them, but if he's scum who needs a fakeclaim, I won't give it to him.

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I'd love to compare setup notes, but obviously, now is not quite the time.

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And why didn't anyone unvote (or, for Santos, why did you hammer) when it was clear that Mr. Suave was basically claiming Doctor?

I don't know I'd say it was clear that's what Suave was doing... I think there's at least one thread in MD saying you should never claim D1 if you're vanilla. The "scum will just kill me if I claim" could have been seen as a doc softclaim, but I can sort of see why someone might think that was hammer-worthy.

That said, Santos, it is legal, and even encouraged, to hold off on a hammer like that while waiting for comments from a few other players. Can we keep that in mind for today?

Go read it. In a single breath he goes from unvoting to saying "I STILL THINK HE'S SCUMMY"

Fail, hohum. That was my random vote, which I took off because Suave was at L-1 on page 4 and I was unintentionally contributing to said wagon. (81 was an antiprod, I just saw that you thought it was time to prod me and decided something needed to be said.)

His inability to insert himself into the discussion is troubling. Post 127 screams "I can't form an opinion" to me.

Either I need to get better at figuring out what you need me to tell you, or you need to get better at reading between the lines of previous posts. From post 99:

Suave's play is a bit worrisome

"(Somewhat) scummy..."

and worth keeping an eye on.

"...but not lynchworthy yet." Come on, is it really that hard?

You're my top suspect from yesterday, and you're not doing anything to lessen that suspicion today.

FoS

... screw it,

Vote: hohum.

mal: Any reasoning you'd like to share for that vote?

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You're my top suspect from yesterday, and you're not doing anything to lessen that suspicion today. FoS... screw it, Vote: hohum.

The only thing I've done today was

accuse you of being scum

for a reason that's total crap

Fixed for you. Happy to help.

and raise some very legitimate points about Alduskkel's play.

Legitimate points? Where? I can't find any evidence that would support your claim that Alduskkel knew that Suave was town.

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Alduskkel, I think there are better places to put your vote (like, I dunno, where mine is). I have a town read on Santos, and I don't really see that changing in the foreseeable future.

mal, that goes for you too, and I still need you to answer my question about the reasons for your Santos vote.

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I'm not sure it's something I can put into words (yeah, I'm annoyed too)... just trust me on this, okay?

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dramonic: Can you rephrase those last posts, please? I can't exactly tell what you're trying to say here.

hohum: The only thing I see wrong with that plan is the "lynch Santos" part. I would be quite fine with lynching you even if we don't lynch Santos.

Everyone: hohum is obvscum. Why aren't you voting him?

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I don't suppose this would be a good time for me to explain why I believe hohum to be obvscum? Because if somebody wants me to say it, I can.

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Mmkay. There are two main reasons:

- Probably the less important one is that he misrepped my reason for unvoting Suave, completely neglecting the fact that it was my random vote (which I only, I dunno,

mentioned when I unvoted

... really, is reading that hard?). If he'd actually followed his own advice of "Go read [the post where ToD unvoted Suave]," he should have seen that.

- The larger reason, however, is his attempt D1 to discredit saber's claim. It wouldn't be as big an issue if he hadn't then had the

cojones

to tell me to "Think about [the claim]" and, in the same post, told Suave to "Read the setup carefully." (This is post 49, for those keeping track.) Which implies that he had. I don't know how much he remembers me from Open 120, and he may not have been paying too much attention to me on his read when he replaced in... but I take pride in my setup analysis skills. So I thought about it, and I posted my results... except I read the setup wrong, and have since had to rethink. It turns out that there is literally no scenario where scum have a better-than-even chance of fakeclaiming a PR D1 as the first claim of the game and getting away with it (full explanation available upon request), and I would think that if hohum had actually thought about the setup, he would have realized that.

So essentially, he has on multiple occasions told other players to do something that he implicitly claims to have done, but upon examination, almost certainly didn't actually do. This is lynchworthy.

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I never attempted to discredit Saber's claim.

*snerk*

Yes, okay, you never actually

voted

saber. But:

Saberwolf should be treated as if he just claimed vanilla.

Also, shame on you for claiming.

You're operating under the assumption that he's telling the truth.

Think about it.

Miller in this setup is a worthless role.

I'm pretty sure that because no one has counter claimed, he's pretty much confirmed. I too am having suspicions of why hohum is so negative towards this claim. Really, that claim would only negativly affect scum. =O... just saaaaaaying

Read the setup carefully. There MAY be a miller, there MAY not be. Don't discount a possible gambit here. That's all I'm trying to say.

I'm not saying for sure that he's lying but I'm also not rushing to the conclusion that he's cleared.

If he were really the miller I would rather him stopped to analyze the setup

I fail to see how I should have been able to get anything out of those quotes other than "HAY GUIZE DONT TRUST SABER". Especially when you tell us to think about/read the setup (or something else) carefully and then come to conclusions that you can't have reached by actually doing what you've told us to do. (If you'll notice,

that's

the underlying issue with both of my stated reasons in 220 for voting you.)
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I dont understand the wagon on Alduskkel

Join the club.

Hohum and Santos act like a scumteam, and individually are also very scummy.

We're in agreement on one of those. Would you care to switch your vote?

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"Damn it... well, at least he's not going to be a distraction in LyLo."

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DeathSauce is V/LA, though, isn't he?

But I agree, once he gets back (you know, starting tomorrow), content would be much appreciated.

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@Santos: Mmm... to get a claim, you'll need to (a) put your vote back on him and (b) find someone willing to hammer. It's only "claim or die" if he's under imminent threat of lynch, and until/unless DeathSauce returns, I don't think that's happening: I'm not hammering, mal claims not to understand the basis for the wagon (TBH, I'm not exactly sure I do either), and Alduskkel's not going to self-vote.

@hohum:

Trumpet: I noticed you conveniently left out the very last thing I said to or about Saberwolf on D1:

that's a good point I suppose.

Post

55

. A direct response to Saber's post

54

You're making a scum case on me based on my faulty assumptions. I let go of those assumptions a long time ago.

a. Fixed numbers.

b. The good point, for reference:

there tottaly is a need [for a miller] to claim.

1. if i make it to the end game and its a cop, scum and myself and they investigate me, it's a loss for town.

2. if a cop comes out and says he got a guilty on me, that cop is toast over a town kill.

Which is not related to what I'm accusing you of being scum for. In 49 and 53 you were at least strongly suggesting, if not outright saying, that there was a likelihood worth considering that saber was fakeclaiming.

Could

it have been a scum fakeclaim (considering what we knew at the time)? Sure, anything's

possible.

Was it

likely

to be? Only if you expect scum to be suicidal. And if you'd actually thought about it like you told me to do, you'd have realized that.

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Go ahead and lynch me if you want, it's not going to bode well for you if I flip.

Oh well.

I don't really give a shit how many different ways you try to phrase it to support your case. It's based on a position which I abandoned long ago. Scummy.

You're completely missing the point.

You shouldn't have been able to come to that position in the first place

if you'd done enough setup analysis to be entitled to give a directive like "Read the setup carefully."

My random vote was on suave and I kept it on suave because I found him suspicious. You as much as said you thought he was suspicious but you removed your vote anyways. You don't remove a random vote for the sake of removing a random vote if you have a negative read on someone. Hence: scummy unvote.

No, but you do remove a random vote for the sake of removing a random vote that's contributing to L-1 on somebody. A non-policy D1 lynch that only takes a few pages to hit is, generally speaking, a Bad Thing. As such, it should take much scummier behavior than usual to make it not a bad idea. Suave may have been scummy, but he wasn't

that

scummy.

Let's take a look at that wagon again, shall we?

Post 56:

Suave's at two random votes (mine and yours). You say you're fine with your vote, and as one of the reasons, you give this gem (which I somehow didn't see earlier):

this also seems like it could be plausable, and this is why his playstyle is so dangerous. policy lynch!

unvote vote:hohum

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Pushing for a policy lynch before anyone has had a chance to scum hunt is scummy.

The way you've phrased it, it sounds like you would be okay with pushing for a policy lynch

after

people have had a chance to scumhunt. May I ask on what planet you spend most of your time? I thought the idea behind a policy lynch was that you get the player out of the way so that they're not a distraction when you're trying to actually scumhunt, so pushing for one before anyone's had a chance to scumhunt is actually the best time to do it.

Post 57:

DeathSauce adds his vote for the reason that "policy lynches are bad." If that had been all hohum said, I wouldn't be complaining.

Post 68:

Suave continues saying a policy lynch would be a good idea.

Post 70:

You confirm-vote Suave for "hiding behind someone else's assessment of my meta to justify pushing for a page 3 policy lynch." Again, when would you rather have it?

Post 81:

I drop in, promising a post (of actual content) within the next ~30 hours.

Post 83:

Alduskkel wonders why SuaveScum would try to get a hohum policy lynch if the votes weren't there.

Post 85:

dramonic says he's waiting for saber to answer a question before he votes Suave. saber answers in 86, and dramonic votes in 87, putting Suave at L-1.

Post 89:

Santos offers to hammer.

Post 90:

that's because I'm not scum, DURR

You're at L-1. Are you even going to try and contribute anything to this game? If you are scum you're making this too easy and if you're town you're really shooting us in the foot.

When you posted (less than half an hour after dramonic voted), yes, he was at L-1. When he posted, he was not, but the implication I get from that post is that you wanted to sound like Suave wasn't contributing even when he was at L-1, when I don't think he had had an opportunity to do at that point.

Post 91:

You tell Santos not to hammer.

Post 93:

Alduskkel apparently dislikes hitting L-1 that fast.

Post 95:

You're fine with leaving him at L-1.
At the time of my unvote, the reasoning from everyone else on the wagon looked like "he wanted a policy lynch, so we want a serious one." From the given description of your meta (and Open 120, though I hadn't gone and looked at it), you sounded (and still do; in fact, you're proving the point) like a policy lynch target I could at least understand. (If, say, Tarhalindur was the target, it'd be a different argument, because when he's town, he's a great asset to town.)

Moving right along:

you know what, I'm getting tired of going around in circles with you. You're pushing a scummy case.

You know what, I'm getting tired of going around in circles with you. You're generating enough bullshit that you should go into politics.

You've been talking out of your ass all game. If you're scum, you need to die ASAP; if you're town, you're doing more harm than good and need to die before LyLo.

@Dramonic: more analysis from you please. You're remarkably quiet this game. Quite unlike you.

Agreed. Now quit coaching your scumbuddy. (And yes, dramonic is my next strongest scum read.)

If I am reading it correctly, you are saying hohum is scum because he urged you to read the setup carefully, even though he hadn't?

Close, but not quite. Something like "Hey ToD, could you look at the setup some?" would have been fine. My issue is that to back his argument up, he tried to use a source that showed the opposite of what he was trying to prove, showing that he either didn't actually read it carefully (that is, didn't do what he implied he did) or was lying about what conclusions he could draw from it.

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Santos, there are at least four players I rate more likely to be scum than you. My going after you would be... counterproductive, to say the least.

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ToD, that is one long ass post that showed me nothing.

The "long ass post" was not designed as an attack post; those are elsewhere. If you're too lazy to look, I'm too lazy to show you where they are.

Here, let me show you how I get "there's no way saber could have been fakeclaiming" while only using what we knew when he claimed:

Fact:

Only scum have a reason to fakeclaim miller.

Fact:

Scum know the existence or lack thereof of only one PR (mafia RB).

Fact:

From a scum perspective, if there is a mafia RB, the unknown PRs are two from a set of four (=50% chance that any one was selected = 50% chance of getting CC'd if non-VT is randomly claimed).

Fact:

From a scum perspective, if there is no mafia RB, the unknown PRs are three from a set of four (=75% chance that any one was selected = 75% chance of getting CC'd if non-VT is randomly claimed).

Fact:

With the knowledge available to scum, there was either a 50% or 75% chance of getting counterclaimed if they fakeclaimed miller as the first claim of the game.

Assumption:

Scum will not fakeclaim unless the chances of their getting counterclaimed are lower than 50%.

Conclusion:

There was no situation in which saber's claim, coming when it did, could have been a fakeclaim.

Are we all clear on this? Good.
Now, let's look at what hohum says in post 49:

I don't think it makes him confirmed or unlynchable at all. You're operating under the assumption that he's telling the truth.

Think about it.

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Read the setup carefully. There MAY be a miller, there MAY not be. Don't discount a possible gambit here. That's all I'm trying to say.

I'm not saying for sure that he's lying but I'm also not rushing to the conclusion that he's cleared.

What he seems to be saying is, he read the setup carefully, came to the conclusion that it could be a scum fakeclaim, and that's a conclusion that's supported by the setup. But it wasn't. Therefore, either he didn't do what he implied he did and read the setup carefully enough, or he lied about his conclusions. Either way, he lied (either implicitly or explicitly), and therefore needs to be lynched. I can't think of a third reason he could have come to his stated conclusion that there was a significant chance saber could have been fakeclaiming.

If there's a flaw in my logic, by all means, feel free to point it out to me.

I think you are fixated on hohum

Define "fixated." If you mean "pushing really hard for his lynch"... well, yeah, because that's what you do to your strongest scum read. If you mean "ignoring the other players"... no. I don't like to show all my cards at once (see sig), so I might not have posted this before, but I've definitely been paying attention to the other players. dramonic's my next-strongest scum read (though substantially less), you and mal haven't really posted much that I can use to get a solid read, Santos is town, and I agree with Alduskkel.

and it is to the detriment of the game.

...and hohum's similar behavior towards Alduskkel and myself is not? Really?

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Santos is town, and I agree with Alduskkel.

You can't think Santos is Town AND agree with me.

Okay, on most points. That's the only thing we've disagreed on this game that I can think of off the top of my head. I'm a bit time-crunched, so I can't look now, but I don't expect I'd find much else.

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Because we're lynching you instead. Or at least, we should be.

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People plural? I see one: DeathSauce. And he's only done that once.

@Everyone: If you think my case is scummy, please answer the following question:

"Reaching a conclusion that does not follow from the facts allegedly being used to get there is scummy." What, if anything, is wrong with that statement? And remember, if you can't identify what you disagree with, you're probably wrong.

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Answer the question, hohum.

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Quote it to me, then.

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I was working on a nice, long post for a couple of you (and some AP Physics homework that took substantially longer than I was expecting), then saw what DeathSauce and Santos had to say about mal.

My take: He's maybe not the lynch I'd like, but he's not one I'm actively opposed to, either, and yeah, what they pointed out is rather incriminating. As much as I wasn't expecting to do this,

Unvote; Vote: malpascp.

That's L-1. A claim from mal is probably in order.

Oh, and: Happy birthday, mod!

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Oh, he still is. I'm just reaching a point of "fuck, this isn't getting anywhere," so I'm switching to a lynch that, while not the best, is not actively bad and is more likely to happen. (In fact, in the post I'd been working on, I was going to ask you, "All right, who else do you think I should look at?" Then DeathSauce and Santos were nice enough to preempt the question.) I mean, I'll probably come back to hohum if we're both still alive after N2, but I'm becoming resigned to the fact that I'm probably not going to be able to get him lynched today.

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I agree that it should be Santos.

I strongly disagree.

@hohum: Yeah, when I played with dram-town, he was much more of a presence in the game. I think I'll actually

Unvote; Vote: dramonic

for mainly that reason.

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Hint: If hohum and I are agreeing on something, there's probably something to it.

Man, you are ready to lynch just about anyone, aren't you?

Well, that depends on how you define "ready to lynch" and "just about anyone," now, doesn't it?

Well, there was stuff to extract some info from in our game ToD, while this game has come to a standstill.

Surely you have some suspects, though. I'm gonna echo hohum's request for a case on someone. Anyone. (Also, I must have missed where you said Alduskkel was distancing before. Where did he do so, where did you say it, and from whom was he distancing?)

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I think the idea that dramonic is more "off-hands" in his playstyle than in another Town game is just a detail of the big picture: namely, that this game is going a bit slow at the moment.

It's not just an "at the moment" kind of thing, though. It's been all game.

Perhaps a basis of comparison will help:
In this game, dram's at ~40 posts out of ~320 in the game, so he's contributed about

1 out of every 8

posts this game.
In this game, town-dram replaced in at about post 270, and the game ended somewhere in the 1080s (= he was in for ~810 posts). dramonic had 210 posts during the game, which comprised about

1 out of every 4

posts in the game while he was in it.
1 in 8 as opposed to 1 in 4? I think that's a significant difference from what I've seen of him as town.

And if you can't find something to talk about, you're not looking hard enough. Either comment on something that's happened or post a theory you have about this game, preferably with evidence (something like "mal and DeathSauce are scum who are trying to lurk their way to victory. Here's why: (reasons) Discuss."), and we can talk about it - why it makes sense, why it doesn't, why you're scummy/obvtown for even suggesting such a thing, etc. This should not be terribly difficult.

DeathSauce, I wasn't claiming we're the best. I've read too many games to know that's not true. But with the amount hohum and I have been going at each other's throats...

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DeathSauce, I wasn't claiming we're the best. I've read too many games to know that's not true. But with the amount hohum and I have been going at each other's throats...

Meaningless.

Really? You think that two players who have been going after each other all day and are now deciding a third player is more worthy of their attentions is meaningless? Considering it's a convincing enough case that we both decided it needed action more than our cases against each other, I'd say it's pretty meaningful. Without reading the game DTMaster has on hohumScum, part of me wants to say, "screw hohum being scum, I'm gonna call dramonic+DeathSauce."

(As an aside, I just noticed I made a typo in the quoted post. That should be "I've read too many games

not

to know that's not true.")

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ToD: 341 Page 12 is a bad post made by Santos. In all honstly you can try and interprete his joke as WIFOM, but that's extremely anti-town. Plus a deathsauce + drac attack isn't helping this case get any better since it looks like severe chain saw. Given the topic at hand is a ToD/Santos scum team I expect you to do more then raise concerns. Find me some links or evidence. Personally at this point I can only agree Drac is scummy. Death sauce is null but abet abrasive play.

Re: Santos' joke claim: I'm pretty sure that I didn't actually comment on it (so what made you think I viewed it as WIFOM?), partly because I knew it wasn't the truth from the second I read it. I'm not sure exactly what he was getting at, but I can 100% guarantee it was not a serious claim of "Santos and ToD are scum."

Re: DeathScum: (a) How's it a chainsaw? Having just looked it up, for it to be an applicable tell, I would have to have been intending to defend Santos, who would have to be either dead scum or defending me by attacking my attackers. I wasn't trying to defend Santos, I was trying to make a point - see part b - and from what I can tell, Santos is neither dead scum nor defending my by attacking my attackers. If anything, DeathSauce is the one chainsawing by choosing to ignore the dramonic case based on the players who agree with it. Granted, it'd be nice to see dramonic lynched as scum first, since that'll strengthen my DeathSauce case, but whatever. (b) And you, too, seem to be missing the point I was trying to make. If players A and B each (claim to) think the other is scum that needs to be lynched ASAP, then both decide that player C should be lynched before either of them, what do you think that suggests about the relative strength of the case on C?

Here, I'll spell it out for you: Either hohum and I are scum together (which can't be right: Do pages 7-12 look staged to you?), or at least one of us is town (in which case the dramonic case has to have at least

some

merit, or we wouldn't have both decided to wagon him. Even if one of us is scum, the town one would have to have seen at least enough in the case to assess it as more worthwhile than the scum case they'd been pushing before).

Re: "raising concerns": ...uh... what? Could you possibly have phrased that in a way that was less clear? Actually, don't answer that. Just please rephrase "Given the topic at hand is a ToD/Santos scum team I expect you to do more then raise concerns. Find me some links or evidence." into coherent sentences that make sense in context. Or better yet, put it in as simple terms as possible, because apparently my skill at reading between the lines has gone to hell.

@lurkers/ex-lurkers (dramonic, DeathSauce, DTMaster): Goddammit, guys. Can a maximum of two of you be scummy, please? dramonic's lurking too much for what I know of his town play, DeathSauce is being incredibly dense about the dramonic case (including ignoring it without addressing it), and DT has all those lovely contradictions that Santos pointed out.

Speaking of Santos:

And I'm L-2, not L-1, so does everyone want me to claim anyways?

Your responses: Yes
My Response: Vanilla Townie with very cute flavor about how old I am and that I tire easily so I have no night actions.

*facepalm* Why would you claim VT before L-1, except during massclaim?

One final thing, which is just an excuse to toot my own horn:

(talking about Mini 751: Suzumiya Haruhi, which is listed as one of his favorite threads) One of Tar's game and absolutely brilliant. The flavour and town play was amazing. I strive to play at that level. The deduction from the phase counters were brilliant.

You mean this deduction? Yeah, that guy's really something, isn't he?

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Trumpet of Doom is tooting his own horn?

I know, right? Who'da thunk it? (Sorry, once I realized that pun, it was funny to me for reasons most of you probably don't get, which have to do with stereotypes about trumpet players in general. I've got an audition tomorrow, too...)

ToD: Bussing is way more common than you would have us think. Almost makes me think you and hohum are, in fact, the scum team. But that remains to be seen.

Do pages 7-12 look staged to you?

why didn't you do much when Santos said: Lol I'm scum with ToD. Sarcasm aside, I expected more attacks based on the anti-town nature of it. It's not something you would seriously joke about.

Well, what was I supposed to do? If I made a joke about "dude, why'd you have to go and out us?" people would have been all over both of us because sarcasm doesn't transmit well through text, and I'm not going to attack a player who's still one of my strongest townreads.

Wow. hohum swings solidly into the "confirmed town" category. I'm now almost certain that 2 of the following 3 players are scum:
dramonic
DeathSauce
DTMaster

I will support a lynch of any of those three players, to the point that I am willing to hammer any of them without a claim.

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Process of elimination.

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Alduskkel has exhibited a very pro-town thought process.

Santos I'm still not going to tell you.

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There we go.

Unvote.
Vote: DeathSauce.

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All right. Time for me to claim.

Claim: Cop

N1: Santos. Innocent.
N2: dramonic. Innocent.

Scum are Alduskkel and DTMaster. I don't really care what order they're lynched in, so I'll just say

Vote: DTMaster

and leave Alduskkel for D4.

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I'd like to counter claim ToD. In the short time I was here I was able to put a bread crumb

"I my cap on"

in my first post.

N1 I got innocent on Hohum.
N2 I got guilty on Alduskel

I'd call bullshit, but I know you're scum anyway.

But I want to see some evidence to prove your claim Mr ToD.

You're kidding, right? Read my D2 in iso and look at how many times I said I thought Santos was town with little to no expressed reasoning. Or go back to D1 and look at post 28.

Also I don't see a vote on either persons so I don't see much confidence on your claim.

Good God, you

are

blind.

Scum are Alduskkel and DTMaster. I don't really care what order they're lynched in, so I'll just say

Vote: DTMaster

Reading is fun. You should try it some time.

I'm up for a Adul or ToD lynch today, but since I got a guilty on Adul I'm going for the confirmed scum.

Bus him all you want, it won't help in the long run. If dram or Santos wants to lynch Alduskkel today instead, I'll help, but if I had to pick one of you to be lynched, it'd probably be you.

[Trumpet of Doom]

We'll be waiting for a while, then. He's out through Sunday.

[Trumpet of Doom]

We could, but there's no point in NLing when you actually know who the last scum is. With that in mind,

Vote: Alduskkel.

(Just for completeness's sake, I did investigate him last night, and I did get a guilty.)

[Trumpet of Doom]

Interesting how no NK happened, considering there is no reason to not kill when you have 2 confirmed townies (me and Santos)

Yeah, if I'm scum one of you would be dead by now. Alduskkel doesn't have quite as obvious reasoning for a kill.

Additionally its interesting how the one of you two that was offsite during the complete night phase is... oh look, its you trumpet.

...what on earth are you talking about?

[Trumpet of Doom]

^ Says the guy who no-killed last night. Someone else brought it up in the first place, it was directed at me, and there was a response available, so I felt it was worth answering.

[Trumpet of Doom]

So if I may ask: What have I done that is scummy (besides

claiming cop,

for crying out loud)?

[Trumpet of Doom]

I claim, say I don't really care which order we lynch DT and Alduskkel, and vote DT.
DT counterclaims and votes Alduskkel.
I point out some obvious bullshit in DT's post.

That interaction? Beyond his counterclaim, I fail to understand why that would be a scum gambit. Please explain.

Also:

Additionally its interesting how the one of you two that was offsite during the complete night phase is... oh look, its you trumpet.

...what on earth are you talking about?

A response would be nice.

[Trumpet of Doom]

Night didn't end until this morning. If I was scum, I would absolutely have been able to submit a kill last night.

[Trumpet of Doom]

Note to self: Never play a semi-open like this with Santos again.

I actually figured Alduskkel would kill Santos (why leave the unknown? Leave the one who'll help you win), and I would have killed dramonic (kill the one who's on to me). Also, I hate hate

hate

the current meta that NK motive speculation is scummy.

Alduskkel: Why kill hohum N2, and why no kill N3?

I hate to say it, but I think that mafia didn't deserve to win that so much as town deserved to lose.

Agreed. Suave was just... ugh. If you're a doc driven to L-1, claim, because it's better if you die at night than if you die during theday and let scum kill someone else useful at night.

I think that if the last day hadn't been so quick, town might have won. Trumpet breadcrumbed his n1 result pretty hard on d2. Too bad nobody noticed it.

Yeah, I might have been sending slightly mixed messages (Santos is town, Alduskkel is town ( ), hohum is scum ( )), but I can't believe as few people believed me as did.

Am I missing anything...?

I'd say night actions, but everyone should know those by this point.

Oh, yeah: May I post my investigation PMs? I had a bunch of fun writing them... it'd be a shame to let just the two of us see them.

[Trumpet of Doom]

Oh, I took that PDA flavor and ran with it.

N1:

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login: trumpetofdoom
password: ********
$ database
Welcome to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Database!
Bienvenue à la Database de la Gendarmerie royale du Canada!
What would you like to do?
Que voulez-vous faire?
% investigate santos

(Comments:

Command-line... nobody ever uses it, but I felt like finding it in an old UNIX book and doing something with it.

You Canadians do everything official in both English and French... I figured something like this was in order.

In case you missed it,

Investigate: Santos.

)

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login: trumpetofdoom
password: ********
trumpetofdoom@RCMP<1>% database
Welcome to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Database!
Bienvenue à la Database de la Gendarmerie royale du Canada!
What would you like to do?
Que voulez-vous faire?
trumpetofdoom@RCMP<2>% investigate santos
santos is not guilty
santos n'est pas coupable
trumpetofdoom@RCMP<3>% 

No sooner is the output produced than does the computer shut itself off. Man, this chunky thing uses a lot of power!

(Comments: I had to look up Unix commands XD).

N2:

DEVICE LOCKED

Machine inaccessible

TO UNLOCK, PLEASE SCAN YOUR RIGHT THUMB

Appuyez sur l'écran, s'il vous plaît

WELCOME TRUMPET O. DOOM

PLEASE INDICATE YOUR INVESTIGATION BY
TOUCHING ONE OF THE NAMES BELOW

Alduskkel
DeathSauce
dramonic
DTMaster
hohum
MrSuave
saberwolf
Santos

*touches screen*

PROCESSING RESULT ON
dramonic

PLEASE WAIT...

PROCESSING COMPLETE.

dramonic IS NOT GUILTY.

Wow, this new system is fast. Well worth the ten minutes you spent upgrading it using the twigs and leaves you found last night.
Its power efficiency still sucks, though.

I have no idea what I would have done if I'd investigated Alduskkel and gotten a guilty.

N3:

That went well,

thinks Trumpet as he heads into the forest, to where he can't easily be overheard.

I was a bit worried when DT tried to counterclaim me, but we got rid of someone who wanted to kill us all, so that's a help.

He turns on his PDA.

Now, what tinkering with it did I do last night?

"Please state your name to unlock this machine.

Dites votre nom pour obtenir d'accès à cette machine,

" a recorded voice intones.

Ah, that's right. Voice control.

"Trumpet of Doom."

"Voice print confirmed. Welcome, Trumpet. Whom do you wish to investigate?"

"Alduskkel."

Since everyone else is either dead or has already been investigated.

((I'd also like to make some fearless guesses about who the scum kill will be and why.

I'm only investigating Alduskkel for the sake of thoroughness - I know he's scum, because nobody else can be.

Alduskkel's only chance of winning is if he can get me lynched: If he kills me, my flip will hard-confirm Santos and dramonic, but if he doesn't kill me, he can't lynch either of them because I won't vote for them.

So he has to kill either Santos or dramonic. He knows dramonic thinks I'm scum, and he doesn't know what Santos's opinion is, so he kinda has to kill Santos. If he's trying to frame me, this makes even more sense, because I've been saying Santos is town for longer than I've been saying dramonic is.))

Nik was tired and didn't want to write flavor for that one.

[Trumpet of Doom]

I'm sorry, I have to do this.

Vote: Alduskkel

for planning NK WIFOM.

[Trumpet of Doom]

Yeeha, I win! Haha, suckaz!

...mwahahahaha...

Oh, mod: I think you missed the nightkill-immune miller part of my role. And for that matter, the fact that I was a mason with Suave.

[Trumpet of Doom]

Well, yes, because I can only revive myself. So if the only person I can revive is town, then I can only revive townies. Does that make sense?

[Trumpet of Doom]

I was a mason with Suave.

No way, I was a Mason with Suave, that was the only way I could have known that he was pro-Town.

We were in the same mason group, though. Didn't you notice my posts in the QuickTopic?

[Trumpet of Doom]

You're a little late for that. That happened during pregame.

[Trumpet of Doom]

No. Read the opening flavor.