Open 856: Deputy cultists (Game over)
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WE literally playing mafia. What you about?In post 13, Bellaphant wrote:Sucks to be the 20% but the needs of the many...
No, for reals though, isn't that really boring?-
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Yes.In post 19, Jacket wrote:
Do you expect the cult to reward your generosity?In post 11, Enchant wrote:Remind me, why i should't vote no-lim and let everyone turn cult so everyone win?
Well expect for fact that cult wins on majority, therefore there's always two losers who lose, but who cares?-
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Plainly, game won instantly after Cult Leader is dead, so it's always in benefit to simple massclaim D1.
On D2 and afterwards, assuming someone is converted, there will be always doubt that PR is converted and traded claims with Cult Leader to let him not look suspicious.
So... Yep. From my POV i have 1/10 chance to hit CL, if every PR claims without challenge, it turns in 1/7.
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Vengeful proves self by being elimmed and ability to shot. You probably don't want to elim them to prove power, as they are not Cult Leaders.In post 29, Jacket wrote:
Can't the PRs prove themselves on later days, though? I don't see why they need to out now.In post 26, Enchant wrote:Plainly, game won instantly after Cult Leader is dead, so it's always in benefit to simple massclaim D1.
On D2 and afterwards, assuming someone is converted, there will be always doubt that PR is converted and traded claims with Cult Leader to let him not look suspicious.
So... Yep. From my POV i have 1/10 chance to hit CL, if every PR claims without challenge, it turns in 1/7.
Why not?
Governor overrules day 4 and chooses elim. Well, we will know that obviously, but see next letters.
Both remain in power after conversation. Therefore having converted vengeful is not cool, as they turn in mine. It's easier to confirm them now and then don't touch them for game end. Converted Governor plainly gurantee that CL doesh't get killed, more over someone cult desire will elimmed instead.-
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E-3*In post 44, furtiveglance wrote:You got put at E-2 on page 1.-
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I meant real days.
Just in a case, PRs can claim and receive all benefits of it at any moment, but if/when we elim Cult Prime, afterwards claim point is proven moot, as converted PR can just trade claims with Cult Leader, providing them with cover. So instead of confirmation of "Not Cult Leader" and shredding POE, you receive whole nothing.-
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Why?In post 72, Korina wrote:
this is a shitty take, and i don't know if town ever comes up with this take because it's so bad.In post 23, Beat wrote:That wouldnt be playing to a town win con Enchant
VOTE: Jacket
That said I think both vengeful townies should claim
tprs retain abilities on convert.
they never claim unless e-1, in which case we decide who they should shoot and then kill them-
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Maybe force Vengefuls to claim D1, so we know they are starting vengefuls and thus not Cult Leaders and they not elimmed anyway?In post 83, Korina wrote:because if they refuse to kill who we said, we killed cult anyways, and vengefuls should be killed for double-elims anyways?
Because we win instantly after death of one?-
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I give two statements, i actually don't understand why i need to keep explaining but ok.In post 87, RH9 wrote:
Got that.In post 86, Enchant wrote:Promoting this plan is anti-town.
How about forcing all to claim if they get put to E-1 on D1. If they don't agree to consensus shot, look for associations and get rid of any potential cult-partners?
First: Vengefuls should claim D1. No discuss. I actually think forcing Governor as well is not bad, but it's debating.
Second: Assuming we have only two Vengeful claims (exact amount we supposed to have), they are not only confirmed town if/before convert happens, but also they are Not Cult Leader for the end of the game. Because killing Cult Leader is instant win, there's literallyzeroreason to kill them at any point afterwards.-
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On this site once.In post 90, Bellaphant wrote:How much have you played cult, enchan?
I'd still like korina to answer about furtive.
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Korina prepared to wiping out whole Cult, while any person receiving town PR knows that town wincon is wiping cult leader.In post 92, Bellaphant wrote:Why? It seems like korina plays cult a lot? Why wouldn't they just be...right?
You of course openly can explain why Korina right and i am wrong. I waiting.-
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I am not listening to person who doesh't even know town wincon.In post 95, Bellaphant wrote:? I know very little about this set up, that's what I'm saying - korinas whole thing seems to be that they do. I'm finding it weird that you think they are confirmed cult for adding their experience. Which is more than yours or mine.
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I sense it's approach furtive taked for something, his previous posts confirms.In post 107, Nathann wrote:Does anyone (other than Korina) have thoughts on whether furtiveglance's 64 is Townie or Scummy? It feels like a post Ishouldhave an opinion on, but I can't quite make it out.-
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OkIn post 131, Korina wrote:also i’m gonna stop reading this game since i’m getting called cult for bullshit reasons.
Btw what god your cult cheer? Idk if i choosed names for gods it would be ZumBalo.
Culting for ZumBalo. Nice.
... Actually, you just come, not reading modpost, not reading your supposed town PM and start lecturing ppl in anti-town plan which is not gonna work.
If these reasons you was suspected are bullshit, can you explain why?-
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In post 136, Nathann wrote:
Happy? Not really. So angry they start rageposting and now claim they don't wanna play? Definitely not.In post 130, Korina wrote:how happy do you think someone would be to see that?
Where did they do this?In post 133, Enchant wrote:... Actually, you just come, not reading modpost, not reading your supposed town PM and start lecturing ppl in anti-town plan which is not gonna work.
Well:In post 70, Korina wrote:i'm not reading anything before this post btw unless it was super important. i read my role pm, and kinda clocked out of the game already coming into it and seeing three votes on me for what i can only assume is the same old joke of "haha look korina's in a cult game, what if they rolled cult this time!" when mind you, the only fucking time i rolled cult in a cult game, i instantly got wagoned and died.
so if you're voting me for that, fuck off, it's a shitty rvs reason, and a shitty fucking read to try to take.
i want all three who voted me dead in that particular order unless someone claims a tpr, in which case, i still want you dead, just not right now.In post 72, Korina wrote:
this is a shitty take, and i don't know if town ever comes up with this take because it's so bad.In post 23, Beat wrote:That wouldnt be playing to a town win con Enchant
VOTE: Jacket
That said I think both vengeful townies should claim
tprs retain abilities on convert.
they never claim unless e-1, in which case we decide who they should shoot and then kill themIn post 73, Korina wrote:if they're now cult vengeful, and they don't shoot who we said, that person is cult.In post 76, Korina wrote:the more i think about it, and what i mean by think is talk to whichever alter is currently reading this alongside me - the more i realize that furtive is probably cultist, but still cult and should die regardless.In post 83, Korina wrote:because if they refuse to kill who we said, we killed cult anyways, and vengefuls should be killed for double-elims anyways?-
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Mod asked to fill.In post 141, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
Why sign up? This shit is really annoying just on a general level.In post 34, Enchant wrote:Overall setup sucks. All PRs are basically Innocent Atheists.-
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I actually considered this long enough for me, but i think it's time to put it simple.
I am Governor. Idk if i join ZumBalo fanatics afterwards, nor do i care. My power not so useful in perspective for cult, nor town, my persuative skills are pretty bad as well so i really can't help as convert, i think i live with simple confirmation that i am not CL. I will certanly need it late game, due my big miselim rate.
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Vengeful is not asset. Whole premise of this role is reduce swing from town failing at killing mafia.
We never make this mistake if we know Vengeful in first place. They basically never miselimmed.
If Cult decided to reveal self just to CC vengefuls, well, okay? We will know that there's cult in Vengeful claims. Way better than having random murderhobos suddenly reveal self as Vengefuls.
... You think cult will not simple claim Vengefuls at E-1, just to protect self? Foolish. It's better to solve this now.-
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If Prime Cultist dies by any means, Cult leader can convert someone.In post 244, Bellaphant wrote:I still think nathann is town.
So, our best strategy is to ignore the cc right now? As elim-ing a depury gives scum a recruit if we are wrong? I need someone to explain like im five.-
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In post 247, Beat wrote:There is also the route where we let cult recruit because then if we kill the recruit
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It does.In post 260, RH9 wrote:By the way, Venging a Cultist doesn't activate the recruiting ability, right?-
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You know that it's unlikely that Cult Leader are among vengeful claimers right?In post 360, Titus wrote:I'm sorry I've fallen behind. I had a major setback with my PTSD. I'll post content tmo or late tonight.
If we have two claimed vengefuls, then we have two conftown to get reads around to see who pushed them. If we have more than two, the vengefuls are a great place to eliminate. If we guess wrong, the vengeful can shoot another claim and we use them to sort scum.-
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In post 391, Korina wrote:Killing a prime cultist is always good imo because it forces someone else to have to align with the cl, and act weirdly, so killing within vengefuls and getting the cultist out is good, because we have more people who are now aware of cl and have to maneuver weirdly to avoid cl.
Or cult forces paranoia like "ENCHANT IS CONVERTED CULT LET'S ELIM JUST IN CASE" while not really converting me.Korina wrote:
Cult recruits a vengefulIn post 359, Beat wrote:
???In post 356, Korina wrote:I still think killing the vengefuls today are good, because it stops the double-lim from going to cult
Explain this
They kill a prime cultist
Enchant govern-kills the vengeful d4
Cult wins
Or since we know there’s a scum in the vengeful, we still get to direct where the venge-kill goes without it being a scum-venge
Or really converting me.
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EXCUSE ME WHATIn post 400, Korina wrote:
Also killing outside of prime cultists is a waste regardless? Cult don’t get recruits from non-prime deathsIn post 392, Enchant wrote:In post 391, Korina wrote:Killing a prime cultist is always good imo because it forces someone else to have to align with the cl, and act weirdly, so killing within vengefuls and getting the cultist out is good, because we have more people who are now aware of cl and have to maneuver weirdly to avoid cl.
Or cult forces paranoia like "ENCHANT IS CONVERTED CULT LET'S ELIM JUST IN CASE" while not really converting me.Korina wrote:
Cult recruits a vengefulIn post 359, Beat wrote:
???In post 356, Korina wrote:I still think killing the vengefuls today are good, because it stops the double-lim from going to cult
Explain this
They kill a prime cultist
Enchant govern-kills the vengeful d4
Cult wins
Or since we know there’s a scum in the vengeful, we still get to direct where the venge-kill goes without it being a scum-venge
Or really converting me.
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Wdm the fuck you mean waste, we need to kill CL no more no less.In post 406, Korina wrote:Killing cultists outside of the prime ones is a waste because they can’t recruit off of that death?-
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So instead of admitting of holes in your idea, you plainly trying to shut me up POLITELY. Just in case, i didn't even tried to shut you up and insult you. If your logic can't resist simple basic questions, then don't suggest, because badly thought ideas are worst.
And yes, there's big benefit in Not Killing Vengefuls, unless you somehow think there's CL, but it's not that.
Your answer also doesn't make sense. After one prime dies, i am in doubt forever, and i dislike idea where i am mislimmed because ppl say i am converted while i am not.-
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