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Monkey don't see; monkey don't do.In post 65, Almost50 wrote:When I visited the thread the first time you hadn't posted yet. This is my second visit and I saw Nathann's response to you mentioning "IC" so I went back to the flavour post (which I intended to read after the day had ended). (P.S. Just to be clear.. the only lie I included is what's between the parenthesis). OH, SHIT! I ALSO put that P.S, between parenthesis, so theoretically everything I said could be a LIE!-
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Oops.In post 59, Nathann wrote:Cool, okay. I disagree with RCEnigma's 39, because it was claiming that a slot's first or second post being an RVS post cannot be a prolongation of RVS in a game. I disagree with that because I think it doesn't matter which post in an individual ISO it is, if there's some attempt happening to get the game moving out of RVS, and the slot chooses to do an RVS post, they're trying to prolong RVS. Therefore his dislike of my 37 is bad and he should rethink all of his life decisions.
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What do you mean by concerned townie?In post 72, Scorpious wrote:
Assuming this is to me.. no, it’s not sarcasm. It read as a concerned townie post.In post 67, Nathann wrote:Is that some sorta sarcasm that's going over my head, or do you genuinely think 49 is townie?-
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I don't think not know who the ic is is not that big of a deal on your entry. Do you read every mod post before rvs?In post 74, Scorpious wrote:Strange Matter/Nathann exchange is a lot of words about nothing. I need to read how experienced players are harder to read? Also, water is wet..
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I fumble rules/setups all the time, and sometimes it takes me a while to catch up with them. Example I don't understand how we arrived at this setup even though there is a post telling us what was done to get it. All I know is that dice were rolled.In post 87, Scorpious wrote:
It’s Bolded in Green. If you aren’t reading about the game rules and specifics, Why are you even playing?In post 85, Galron wrote:
I don't think not know who the ic is is not that big of a deal on your entry. Do you read every mod post before rvs?In post 74, Scorpious wrote:Strange Matter/Nathann exchange is a lot of words about nothing. I need to read how experienced players are harder to read? Also, water is wet..
Also not a fan of “not knowing who IC is”…-
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By "not caring about here" do you mean this game or at this point in the game or something else?In post 86, Scorpious wrote:
Concerned townie post: “I’m just worried about scum *insert thing to be concerned about, but not really caring about here* “In post 84, Galron wrote:
What do you mean by concerned townie?In post 72, Scorpious wrote:
Assuming this is to me.. no, it’s not sarcasm. It read as a concerned townie post.In post 67, Nathann wrote:Is that some sorta sarcasm that's going over my head, or do you genuinely think 49 is townie?-
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That helps but I would qualify it as NAI.In post 93, Scorpious wrote:I’m having trouble explaining, it’s like(again this is my poor attempt at describing) someone pointing out something others should be wary of but most people instinctvly think it.but more in just passing and not making it a “thing”.
“If we don’t lynch someone today that helps scum” is an example. I’m just at work and my brain is fried and I’m struggling for a good explanation here.-
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That's fair but again NAI. I think scum do need to know the mechanics and may actually be more prone to go through them, at least good scum, but maybe only slightly so.In post 96, Scorpious wrote:I think a game that is played with mere words and one that can be swayed by simple semantics demands that all
Participants be versed in the text rules of the text based game.
My immediate thoughts go to someone opening a scum role and not caring because you “already know” and really can’t be assed to “figure the game out”.
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Slightly ai that is.In post 98, Galron wrote:
That's fair but again NAI. I think scum do need to know the mechanics and may actually be more prone to go through them, at least good scum, but maybe only slightly so.In post 96, Scorpious wrote:I think a game that is played with mere words and one that can be swayed by simple semantics demands that all
Participants be versed in the text rules of the text based game.
My immediate thoughts go to someone opening a scum role and not caring because you “already know” and really can’t be assed to “figure the game out”.
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Why not a vote there then?In post 107, RH9 wrote:
IDK but StrangeMatter's strangely focused on STD. It's getting on my nerves and since it's way past RVS.In post 106, Galron wrote:RH9, who's scum?
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Can you elaborate on that because I wasn't then I was then I wasn't and now I think I am. I want to hear someone else's analysis to help me think that through.In post 171, A Dreary Saturday Evening wrote:I’m leaning town on Scorpius.-
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This seems to me a lazy vote. You are or are not scum reading him or are you just waiting for him to town tell?In post 175, Greeting wrote:
I have two, maybe notIn post 146, Nathann wrote:Greetings, do you have any actual thoughts on people's alignments? Same question to Scorpious, actually.per seabout alignments.Not_Mafiais a jester and I know that from another game I've been in with them. Plus, they were scum in this game. But we apparently also have a second jester, who seems really more invested in distractions and diversions and not the actual game.
I'm really, really distrustful of jesters.
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I'd say it sounds hilarious actually.In post 176, Greeting wrote:
This sounds interesting out of context.In post 122, StrangeMatter wrote: I have more experience with STD than Salsa if that’s what you mean.-
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Err.. that was a lazy reading job on my part. You think STD is a jester?In post 178, Galron wrote:
This seems to me a lazy vote. You are or are not scum reading him or are you just waiting for him to town tell?In post 175, Greeting wrote:
I have two, maybe notIn post 146, Nathann wrote:Greetings, do you have any actual thoughts on people's alignments? Same question to Scorpious, actually.per seabout alignments.Not_Mafiais a jester and I know that from another game I've been in with them. Plus, they were scum in this game. But we apparently also have a second jester, who seems really more invested in distractions and diversions and not the actual game.
I'm really, really distrustful of jesters.
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How does that add to me being town?In post 211, RH9 wrote:
Galron isn't talking mechanics and seems less opportunistic.In post 204, Nathann wrote:For the record, I don't have a problem with my post being interpreted as "Galron trying to be townread", since that is more or less what I meant. It seems like he's trying to ask the right questions, but it's just not... quite there.
As to how RH9 saw that being similar to his play in another game where he was scum, then decided the plays aren't the same, and then still townreads Galron is beyond me. RH9, why is Galron town?-
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What can I do to ping you, Cupcake?In post 209, Cupcake Butterfly wrote:I am most familiar with Almost50 and Galron. No, I do not feel pinged by them at this moment.-
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Because I'm waffling on you and I want to know what everyone else thinks of you.In post 223, Scorpious wrote:
Please explain who’s analysis brought you from here to this:In post 177, Galron wrote:
Can you elaborate on that because I wasn't then I was then I wasn't and now I think I am. I want to hear someone else's analysis to help me think that through.In post 171, A Dreary Saturday Evening wrote:I’m leaning town on Scorpius.
In post 220, Galron wrote:More votes on Scorpious please-
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If we're not going to pressure people, we're not going to get anywhere. That's not asking you to force a read, that's squeezing players to make them readable.In post 225, Greeting wrote:Also, tbf, the pressure on people getting accurate reads on page 9, D1 one of the game doesn't really convince me it's the right way forward. I am getting a lot of neutral reads, and I can say that it's happened to me in other games on this site before, even far later than page 9. I'm not going to force a townlean or a scumlean from myself out of nothing.-
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You're giving a lot of information about your past play and how you're having trouble acclimating to this game. What would it take to get you to where you want to be>?In post 231, Scorpious wrote:
What has you waffling? What do you want to know? Ask me, I’m obviously active.In post 228, Galron wrote:
Because I'm waffling on you and I want to know what everyone else thinks of you.In post 223, Scorpious wrote:
Please explain who’s analysis brought you from here to this:In post 177, Galron wrote:
Can you elaborate on that because I wasn't then I was then I wasn't and now I think I am. I want to hear someone else's analysis to help me think that through.In post 171, A Dreary Saturday Evening wrote:I’m leaning town on Scorpius.
In post 220, Galron wrote:More votes on Scorpious please
This is a very strange progression from you with little to no catalyst.-
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As I said, what is preventing you from getting into this game? You seem very uncomfortable and out of your element (not skill wise, comfort wise)In post 235, Scorpious wrote:I ask nobody gives a read on me until Galron answers this:
Galron, please explain what has you waffling on me,I’d like you to answer this without the ability to use another’s thoughts.
And as stated, if you’re not clear on something, please asked me.-
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I understand that you're relatively new here so like with the jester thing I want to make sure I understand you. What do you mean by bizarre twist?In post 237, Greeting wrote:
It's neutral. There is nothing that worries me and nothing that makes me think that they're town.In post 232, Galron wrote:So what's your read on Scorpious, Greeting? And if you don't have one, what will it take to get you to have one?
Post 208 can be interpreted in various ways. I'm choosing to interpret it as a good way to find some harder clues on anybody, but I keep it in the back of my mind to see which way the game will progress from this. What I mean is, only time will tell if overreliance on meta turns this game into a bizarre twist. But so far, the progress has been quite slow, and the impact of this post has been small, even though 13 hours passed since that post was made. The only player whom I really feel like I can compare-check, knowing them from past games isStrangeMatter, but I still think it's too early for me to draw any definite conclusions (see post 218).-
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Take your post asking for players to give their experiences with other players. That seems to me either someone blindfolded in a crowd or someone, as you would say, snicklefritzy. As it stands, I don't know that you're in the latter camp, but I'm reading you at face value just like you're reading me. We don't have meta on each other, which is good I'd say. Relying on meta is too easy to hide behind and doesn't necessarily give you good reads. And I'm not sure how getting people to talk about you is shoddy town play exactly, but that may be a different discussion and I don't want to distract.In post 239, Scorpious wrote:
Please elaborate,(I appreciate the quip btw). Where I have I shown a level of discomfort?In post 236, Galron wrote:
As I said, what is preventing you from getting into this game? You seem very uncomfortable and out of your element (not skill wise, comfort wise)In post 235, Scorpious wrote:I ask nobody gives a read on me until Galron answers this:
Galron, please explain what has you waffling on me,I’d like you to answer this without the ability to use another’s thoughts.
And as stated, if you’re not clear on something, please asked me.
It’s just very audacious to implore for votes on someone before even presenting a logical reason to do so.
It reads as shoddy town play at best and very snicklefritzy at worst.-
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Sounds earnest and I'll take the TR, but I don't necessarily like how he arrived at it. Or at least how I think he arrived at it.In post 257, Scorpious wrote:
Galron, I’m regards to your 241.In post 255, Save The Dragons wrote:i played a game where galron just asked banal questions and was scum
i played another game where galron was actually invested and played kinda more like this and was ubertown
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I guess I'm having trouble how SK relates.
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*trouble understandingIn post 279, Galron wrote:I guess I'm having trouble how SK relates.
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That goes for RH9's read also.In post 278, Galron wrote:
Sounds earnest and I'll take the TR, but I don't necessarily like how he arrived at it. Or at least how I think he arrived at it.In post 257, Scorpious wrote:
Galron, I’m regards to your 241.In post 255, Save The Dragons wrote:i played a game where galron just asked banal questions and was scum
i played another game where galron was actually invested and played kinda more like this and was ubertown
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This is a weird pop-in. Do you have any thoughts on the current conversations?
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In post 272, Not_Mafia wrote:
VOTE: Almost50In post 269, Almost50 wrote:Guys, I'm not doing anything. Why am I not being voted nor even pressured?? After all, I nam NOT the IC, y'know.
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Love it when memes transcend.
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I do think that cupcake, whom I'm pocketing according to ADSE, is likely town. His thought processes look like they're coming from exactly what he says, a newer player. The mixup about the jester had a genuine feel, and his probing of Scorpious (205,271) gave out some good data, like Scorpious withholding information and his own thought process (ofc Nathann kind of confirmed that this was what Scorpious was doing, see 324, but greeting instigated it).
STD is null town.
Scorpious I'm slightly leaning scum for the very reasons cupcake brought out. In looking through his ISO, he's not leveraging the I haven't played mafia in a long time thing as much as I thought, but asking for meta on everyone in 208 really stuck out for some reason.-
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Wait, not cupcake, greeting is who I meant. I have them transposed in my mind.In post 327, Galron wrote:I do think that cupcake, whom I'm pocketing according to ADSE, is likely town. His thought processes look like they're coming from exactly what he says, a newer player. The mixup about the jester had a genuine feel, and his probing of Scorpious (205,271) gave out some good data, like Scorpious withholding information and his own thought process (ofc Nathann kind of confirmed that this was what Scorpious was doing, see 324, but greeting instigated it).
STD is null town.
Scorpious I'm slightly leaning scum for the very reasons cupcake brought out. In looking through his ISO, he's not leveraging the I haven't played mafia in a long time thing as much as I thought, but asking for meta on everyone in 208 really stuck out for some reason.-
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Now that Nathann has answered, I want to explore this a little more. "Just vibes" can you talk about that more? In practice there shouldn't be difference should there?In post 341, RH9 wrote:
IDK. It's just vibes.In post 340, Nathann wrote:
...What about it felt more town than SK? How does one's scumhunting even feel SK-like?In post 330, RH9 wrote:OK. I just think that your scumhunting felt more Town than SK.-
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I read this and thought, "Where are one and two?"In post 437, Cupcake Butterfly wrote:Three, there is one train of logic to help you read me.
I have pushed 2/4 of your scumreads. Do you believe a bus has occurred from me?
Thank you for 442. I just want to dive into it or something.-
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Are you talking about 387?In post 435, Cupcake Butterfly wrote:Should I provide one?
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I get this. What do you think of that post where they say that yes they are lurking? It seems almost tstbs.In post 460, Cupcake Butterfly wrote:Actually, no. 332
They proposed you were town because you were too abrasive in some posts (which I'd argue not but that's less important here). 294
17 minutes later, votes you. 296
And then 5 more minutes pass, they propose that you are pocketing Greeting when they've not even interacted with your posts on Greeting, or Greeting themselves. 298
The progression reads as fabricated because the first post is to base one quote off of. Furthermore, there's no rationale for what actually is abrasive and how that contains town-motivation, so it's filler.
There's no context between that and them actually voting you, and from what the following rationale is, it's based on your interaction with one player... but why can't Galron/Greeting be scum theatre? Pocketing isn't solely a scum tactic, so why can't it be town?
It reads like a TMI or protection of either you or Greeting.
Finally, to suggest that there is no relation by inquiry feels like a deflection from the question. All of their posts here were about you, Galron, and yet when asked on the progression of otherwise contradicting viewpoints, they have nothing to provide.
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Why are you holding on to your vote?
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But RH9 you said you were afraid to sound ott defensive. When I voted Taly in that Ronald Reagan game, he sounded ott defensive, and he was, indeed, scum. Really if you're town you shouldn't be worrying about what you're sounding like.In post 467, RH9 wrote:You should know. Galron voted you in D6 for it. I don't want to be misread or misinterpreted. I want the truth to be revealed.-
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And you saying you don't want to sound defensive, well it sounds defensive.In post 480, Galron wrote:
But RH9 you said you were afraid to sound ott defensive. When I voted Taly in that Ronald Reagan game, he sounded ott defensive, and he was, indeed, scum. Really if you're town you shouldn't be worrying about what you're sounding like.In post 467, RH9 wrote:You should know. Galron voted you in D6 for it. I don't want to be misread or misinterpreted. I want the truth to be revealed.-
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Good catch.In post 486, Nathann wrote:Incorrect, they proposed Scorpious was town for abrasiveness.-
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In post 581, A Dreary Saturday Evening wrote:The entire purpose of this alt was to post as little as possible in the main thread while doing my solving in my notes PT.In post 583, A Dreary Saturday Evening wrote:It doesn't help town.-
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