Open 815: Forest Fire Redux [Endgame]

[Ydrasse]

I ROLLED TOWN THIS TIME

[Ydrasse]

you can kill me but itll take the fiery embrace of a match to truly be rid of my influence

[Ydrasse]

axe me. do it. then what're you gonna do, vote me again? im gonna haunt you forever

[Ydrasse]

axe me. do it. then what're you gonna do, vote me again? im gonna haunt you forever

Are you that eager to be disenfranchised?

i’m proving a point

[Ydrasse]

cant fuck up if you’re just a husk of a tree

[Ydrasse]

prism what happened to you ....

[Ydrasse]

Don’t care anymore give me your avatar

[Ydrasse]

Luke you have beautiful branches for this time of year

[Ydrasse]

you don’t get it i wanted to use it on an alt i was on twitter the art showed up because i follow a few good utena accs and i was like Yoink for later and you do This to me it hurts

VOTE: infinity

[Ydrasse]

I refuse to let infinity bop me im sick of it!!!

[Ydrasse]

she says im "obvtown" all the time well what if i want to be null?

[Ydrasse]

Do it coward ill quickhammer

[Ydrasse]

Be quiet or else i wagon you.

[Ydrasse]

dont test me...

[Ydrasse]

I was very cutely washing my hair in my absence

[Ydrasse]

why pressure me to vote this early?

[Ydrasse]

i think it would have been more beneficial for us both if you let me vote on my own prerogative

[Ydrasse]

UNVOTE:

[Ydrasse]

looking so suave with the dark bum mario avatar

[Ydrasse]

aha nothing...

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: child of fairies

[Ydrasse]

why do you think you’re being voted?

[Ydrasse]

i noticed the infinity thing too but felt guilty voting her since she always gets a lot of pressure early on / quickly isnt townread compared to other people :<

[Ydrasse]

why would you consider johnny?

[Ydrasse]

because there wasn’t an ounce of seriousness behind that vote and i wasn’t thinking about who to vote critically (which is why i said it would have been better for you to let me vote on my own time — i would have given you something that i quote unquote believed in)

that’s fair i guess but the johnny stuff did Nothing for me personally so idk if i’d vote there for more than like ~pressure~ like i did child

[Ydrasse]

i’m not a good leader but i try to be

[Ydrasse]

infinity i love you but your ability to read me has degraded

[Ydrasse]

i’m “obvtown”

[Ydrasse]

UNVOTE:

[Ydrasse]

no she’s not allowed

[Ydrasse]

in truth i’m not much interested in a johnny vote right now which is why i wanted to explain; even if it was adding some pressure i don’t think it’d bear a terrible amount of fruit. not an avenue that’s worth my attention atm

[Ydrasse]

also you’re getting barebones because i’m at work and also sort of irritated with life

[Ydrasse]

that’s why i didn’t want to point out the prism read because i know you get flak early and i wanted to see if it was nothing before pressing on it later

[Ydrasse]

but when someone else points it out i don’t see reason at that point to not mention it

[Ydrasse]

hectic will kill me so i can’t vote him out of principle

[Ydrasse]

asking me directly will usually get better results because i often don’t respond to things that i feel aren’t for me explicitly to engage w

i had no thoughts regarding his alignment during this game and know he’s busy; our interactions felt per the norm and in general he’s being himself. nothing to glean from him until he’s able to be more active for me personally and i’d err away from voting him as is for the activity reasons as well as higher chance of being town and i can identify that when he has a real iso.

[Ydrasse]

(should clarify; it’s not like to ignore you or what have you but i’m often directionless and don’t get structure from things happening such as a vote)

[Ydrasse]

i also don’t count 133 as a “real thought”

[Ydrasse]

i should have played this game on an alt

[Ydrasse]

it’s separation from ydrasse= expression of true self / want to talk casually and socialize versus alt = play and type different enough to dissociate to avoid the mentality i currently have mostly, nothing to do with anyone else but just trying to communicate myself better

thank you be well

[Ydrasse]

vla until 7th

[Ydrasse]

lame

[Ydrasse]

yes

possible tvt but not sure on it, your reaction was town, unsure on prism but know she’s trying to be more concise which feels like it’s trimmed some of the stuff i rely on to read, holding off on scumread but “less town”

[Ydrasse]

z z

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?

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the ? was because i don’t get it

[Ydrasse]

uninterested / have no topic to drive it and working

just watching right now most part

[Ydrasse]

irritation at feeling like i should be apparent vs energy too low to try

[Ydrasse]

yes

[Ydrasse]

hm

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not obvious, but possibly.

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i just got home today, i’ll catch up later!!

[Ydrasse]

That post feels like prism is trying to get hectic to feel the warm fuzzies. Mutual townreads feel really good and scum want to manipulate town into feeling that. Me no like

this post made me chuckle

[Ydrasse]

i just read like the last two pages so lack of context but

VOTE: infinity

[Ydrasse]

That post feels like prism is trying to get hectic to feel the warm fuzzies. Mutual townreads feel really good and scum want to manipulate town into feeling that. Me no like

VOTE: prism

Let's get some competing wagons in here

This is deeply ironic and you are wildly, wildly offtrack in your interpretation. I think fixing it by being more explicit would be in poor taste.

I would reflect on what Hectic townread about my posts recently, and think carefully about what 363 is suggesting.

To be honest, if you want me to townread you, or not scumread you, you're going to have to lay it out more explicitly because I'm too dumb to understand what you're saying here.

It's possible that my interpretation is very wrong, but I'm ok just following my gut which is going to lead me to scum d1 more often than rand.

bad-posting in conjunction with early game read on prism as pre-emptively town.

[Ydrasse]

UNVOTE:

I don't want you to self-hammer, but I don't owe you shit in terms of asking or engaging you on my scumread.

I'm not going to apologize or make excuses for possibly being wrong. I have enough respect for your scumplay that I think it would be pretty arrogant of me to think that a question I came up with off the top of my head could help me distinguish between your towngame and your scumgame. All I'm asking of you right now is that you accept that I don't know why I scumread you.

VOTE: prism

also whatever this was and the sixteen minute gap between revoting.

[Ydrasse]

i'm struggling to figure out why i townread prism but, i do; maybe it's a combination of her reaction to being ran up, or the way she's approaching... breaking down this game? it's hard for me to figure out how to read past the like... tone, or lack thereof since a lot of the fat is cut off. but i like what's going on. i think it's also an uphill battle in this table to push the people that she is and could definitely play 'safer' i.e. just letting the thing with hectic go eventually, commit to keeping tabs on lower content slots.

prism has a good scumgame but it feels like she's just trying to solve instead of manipulate. theoretically her choosing an 'unsafe' route is confidence + threat management but, i don't know.

[Ydrasse]

i think everyone thinks infinity is towny? right now, and i'd like explanations why if people have them.

[Ydrasse]

That post feels like prism is trying to get hectic to feel the warm fuzzies. Mutual townreads feel really good and scum want to manipulate town into feeling that. Me no like

VOTE: prism

Let's get some competing wagons in here

This is deeply ironic and you are wildly, wildly offtrack in your interpretation. I think fixing it by being more explicit would be in poor taste.

I would reflect on what Hectic townread about my posts recently, and think carefully about what 363 is suggesting.

To be honest, if you want me to townread you, or not scumread you, you're going to have to lay it out more explicitly because I'm too dumb to understand what you're saying here.

It's possible that my interpretation is very wrong, but I'm ok just following my gut which is going to lead me to scum d1 more often than rand.

To me, if your goal is to push hectic and look towny based in how you back off, a significant part of that would be how hectic views you. And 359 felt like trying to get on good terms with hectic, which is a good way to get him to townread you. Even if you're scum there's a decent chance that in wrong about this, but again I'm ok voting where my gut tells me and seeing what comes out of that.

I'm sorry you got upset

skimming fidget i feel like she's taking stances when it's suitable and sort of pushing and prodding around at everything else which, early on there are only so many things to really *believe* in but it comes across as opportunistic and i don't really get a sense of what she's thinking, even if she's explaining things in thread. it's hollow words to me right now.

[Ydrasse]

It is worth noting that I indirectly invited a revote in 385, but I did find the delay a bit ?_?

in my head it went

infinity unvote > prism makes boast basically saying "you can't own up to this" > infinity tries to placate > infinity revotes after a pause. why the pause? i don't know what she was reconsidering.

i feel like when your read is a gutread you just slap it back down instead of waiting, or at least make a comment about how you tried to better explain it but she didn't. just tried to keep the pressure going and hoping that it looked good enough.

[Ydrasse]

like you either say

"i tried to figure it out, but i don't know." or you figure it out and explain for the benefit of interaction, which would be towny reactions. i dunno. i know infinity does play a lot on gut so it's like, is this her towngame where she is gut-reading and going from that or scum emulating it because she has to try and pull off that certain thing she does and using it for self-benefit.

[Ydrasse]

mm. i think even then there still should be some sort of response to that recognizing "i have unvoted, but i trust you, so i'll revote" instead of quietly tempting fate. it's just weird to me and i don't know how to engage with this wagon right now.

like the "easy" thing would be to drop a hammer and see if i'm wrong since it feels vaguely consensus that you're scum and it's in the territory of possibility but, it's not one that i'm betting on right now. also, if you are town and you were hammered having the benefit of your words being confirmed would be nice. i'm just gonna choose to believe they're town for now though and hope no one hammers until more people can play.

[Ydrasse]

voting infinity feels like a vanity vote right now because i don't think anyone will bite but, whatever.

[Ydrasse]

well, i never claimed to be good at math.

[Ydrasse]

more interested in judging the choice of champion tbh

[Ydrasse]

you possess a power i don't understand

i said, quivering underneath my tower in fear of a dive.

[Ydrasse]

i know you aren't thinking a lot but it just feels like... when you do make the effort to try and think what you come up with is wispy which i feel there's enough to make it at least like sand.

i'm in the same boat for a lot of this but even so, didn't like it.

[Ydrasse]

(i'm not calling you head empty btw @ that first part.)

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i think that without a good way to disengage off of prism she might've felt obligated to vote her again. if you have a gutread and someone isn't budging/doing anything that gives you reason to move away from it, you're in the hole. in theory you can say "i reread, changed my mind/saw this" but that looks more awkward.

[Ydrasse]

luke’s postings right now are... something.

[Ydrasse]

idk maybe prism is doing her thing where she’s good but i get why she’s saying it.

[Ydrasse]

422 was sleazy.

[Ydrasse]

i feel upside down compared to everyone and don’t know if i’m really right or wrong.

[Ydrasse]

it’s hard for me to locktown it because i know luke is proficient at the game even if not forum mafia itself and i don’t feel like i have a reason yet to jump to that conclusion. i’ve never had to sort him though.

[Ydrasse]

428 was more charitable but 422 ending with alas was gross to me.

[Ydrasse]

dunno, it just feels like prism as town makes sense. i’d rather give her the benefit of the doubt and treat her like town while she’s alive even if i don’t agree with her on everything right now. frankly i feel like someone will come in and hammer anyways and as i’m uninterested, it’s all a big meh.

[Ydrasse]

worst case i’m over correcting for inability to toneread her and i’m wrong.

[Ydrasse]

why am i awake.

[Ydrasse]

Ydrasse, you seem to think I would make a good flip regardless given that I would be stumped rather than gone. I can't say I agree with the idea I will make a good stump, but I understand why.

From what I can tell, you are extremely confident in your ability to read Hectic, so my wanting his reaction is pretty irrelevant on that front.

Are you holding off just out of courtesy?

just because you’re a good flip in that i’ll be able to recalibrate and know to trust you doesn’t mean you’re a flip that i want. it’s the same way that i kind of wish i could be flipped so i could be conftown and have my weird vibes and feelings taken with more weight without having to do the work.

i’d rather flip scum if we can.

[Ydrasse]

prism town / fidget scum atm

makes me feel like a contrarian

[Ydrasse]

like i’ve explained felt opportunistic and unwilling to take a stance early

[Ydrasse]

fair

yeah i’m just waiting on some good takes

[Ydrasse]

I'm not opposed to the Johnny vote, but I'm not very optimistic at the moment.

VOTE: Johnny

This is E-1.

I feel comfortable voting here without sorting Hectic, though a part of me is regretful that Johnny is on V/LA.

Not that I really disagree with a Johnny vote, but what changed you from being "not very optimistic" to feeling comfortable in one page, especially given that it's been less than a day and Johnny hasn't said a thing since?

Wouldn't be opposed to hammering the slot once Johnny gets a defense in if said defense isn't satisfactory, but if anybody hammers before he gets to post again I'd be very suspicious of that player.

this post is weird in the context of an iso filled with opinions that prism is scum.

[Ydrasse]

like “i think this person is scum/has some bad takes/etc” and sees them voting someone and goes “well i wouldn’t be opposed but we should give them time but if it’s not good enough fine we can kill the slot.”

maybe it’s the fact child is interacting like that with someone they don’t trust and don’t consider the implications of said person voting someone else.

i’m trying to work out in my head if child/johnny could be together based on that because it feels like child doesn’t really want johnny dead but is willing to bite the bullet given his absence/lack of control on the game.

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: child

[Ydrasse]

that probably looks weird in the context of prism’s last posts but it was those posts which inspired me to read child if anyone was wondering.

[Ydrasse]

i think my read on hectic is buried deep in having a lot of experience with him and having played with him enough to know that the frustrations he felt for how you were pushing him were genuine in a way i don't think he would be able to replicate as scum (also because i don't think he thinks to do that unless he's specifically playing around me and assume this is something that i'll expect from him which is like. a lot of layers to plan ahead i feel like?)

[Ydrasse]

still chewing on the reads list, not so impressed but don't know who else to vote, but, well...

[Ydrasse]

i don't think the read has much weight for anyone else nor do i have the right words to explain the reasons i feel about it the way i do without it being frustrating for other people to understand so i'm not going to belabor the point on it, but it's meaningful enough to me that i'm not wanting to vote him in this moment.

[Ydrasse]

child's read on me didn't really feel like it was something someone would have to dig into much, because to me it boils down to "when post actual thoughts, feels towny." i don't get an aura of solving and i'm a bit put off by child calling things interesting and like... eh. that's about how i feel about it. like, i guess i feel like child is a bit townier after it but it's just because they shared some thoughts about things which is like, at least they're thinking about this game and playing it a bit but it didn't move me to the point where i felt like they were actively solving, or engaging much. just some reads put out and then that's it.

[Ydrasse]

i haven't been fooled by him yet that i can remember actually?

it's basically just "i know this person well and this feels in character to their town" which is like... it's not a very good read because i haven't played against scum!him but. it's worked, and i'm willing to stick by it until it doesn't work. there are just small things i see that don't mean anything to anyone else but i recognize him acting /naturally/ i guess, maybe is a good way to put it.

p-edit: i don't get a lot from it personally, dunno. it's boiling down to effort to me and it feels like a begrudging read, i'm unsure. child doesn't have a reason to give me one of those i guess.

[Ydrasse]

i think i just want to be right on at least one scum right now but it's like grasping for straws.

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i've been confronted with the same counter-argument before but i also feel like i haven't... had reason to challenge it, i guess. like there's been nothing in a game that i've found so egregious thus far that i step back and go "yikes, maybe i'm wrong here."

dunno, i'm willing to be the fool one day, or to challenge it when i feel there's something i wouldn't expect from him as town.

[Ydrasse]

i really would explain it better so it wasn’t as tilting because i don’t think i did a good job at it, apologies.

[Ydrasse]

i think he can fake it is the miscommunication and i was going off a few very like... abstract cues/assumptions of motivation for the why as to those things. oh well. easier to tell when he’s posting again.

[Ydrasse]

t3’s iso is short but fine.

[Ydrasse]

have you explained your wariness anywhere yet?

[Ydrasse]

have you expressed any townreads you feel good about? (if you have you can link them, i’m not asking to make you rehash them unless they’re updated, i’m just at work and idly trying to catch up.)

[Ydrasse]

i don’t remember how to play as town anymore

[Ydrasse]

not voting: prism, hectic
probably not voting: luke(?), t3, fidget/infinity...??
could vote: johnny, child

nothing’s appealing.

i don’t know if i have a real read on luke right now but he’s here and trying and without digging into it it’s felt passively town in the past few pages so whatever.

[Ydrasse]

not vibing w it

[Ydrasse]

oh i wasn’t skeptical? i was just curious about your thoigh development and i’ve been against you as a vote most of today.

[Ydrasse]

Ydra, if you're not looking to vote either Prism or Hectic today, what's your take on their 1v1 and Prism's continued tunnel into him?

my view is that she’s wrong but as a whole i think her play is towny enough for me not to think that it’s an effort to kill off someone. that’s about it.

for hectic, rain check until he’s active.

[Ydrasse]

UNVOTE:

[Ydrasse]

Ydrasse, do you mind laying out how your read on Child has progressed over time?

Perhaps there is a post to follow, but whether there is or not it is curious to me that you unvoted before anything else here; Child is nowhere close to eliminated and only 3 minutes passed. Plenty of time to chew on the post further.

it had the depth i was looking for in comparison to their last post, and i felt that the way they elaborated now let me understand them more. it was easy to follow through with their logic and i think that they were genuine in it, so i no longer felt compelled to vote them.

[Ydrasse]

i didn't really want to engage at the time but the gist of my unvote is that i see something that i think is a towny post, realize "oh, maybe i'm wrong", didn't feel an urge to vote out child, and unvoted

i wasn't going to say more until i felt like engaging with the thread at large but it felt important to me that i indicate where my thoughts were headed

[Ydrasse]

to explain, or clarify: there was nothing i felt like i needed to engage with in that moment because child had already engaged even if itw asn't directly in a way that was town enough for me, etc etc

[Ydrasse]

but do you BELIEVE them

[Ydrasse]

uh, well, unfortunate about the mafia aspect of that post but i hope the night can improve a little bit by watching + eating. i hope the sushi is really good. be well, prism.

[Ydrasse]

we <3 u

[Ydrasse]

“contract killings” lmao. mind explaining that for the class in a way that isn’t hidden behind a cute nickname and then explain why?

[Ydrasse]

because that very much implies i am determined to kill you three for an end goal and when i’m disengaging from those pushes because i no longer find them correct calling them contract is the exact opposite thing you should be doing.

[Ydrasse]

i’m actually baffled how that interpretation of my posts is even possible

[Ydrasse]

this is why i only vibe and don't try to give thoughts. lmao.

[Ydrasse]

i think i'm frustrated because i feel i'm giving slightly more effort than i intended to and it's fallen flat

[Ydrasse]

thank you, it really is appreciated

i feel pretty shitty so that's channeling into here atm and i'm trying to take a Break.

[Ydrasse]

<33

[Ydrasse]

catching up soon, eating curly fries

[Ydrasse]

Infinity I want to vote you after that post it made me cringe and it has bad vibes

I am incredibly high right now and prioritized feeling Okay instead of reading and posting but i can post w/e

[Ydrasse]

When i was skimming earlier human felt town to me or maybe the frustration did because i don't have a better reason to really say the posts were towny, but that's a vibe i feel is too broad recently but idk, like them fighting off being elimmed or whatever and then luke replied and i was like "really feels like they're someone in a shitty situation"

I feel like I walked back the vote on child too early but after that list it wasn't feeling good but when they posted a bit more it became a tiny bit like "I could see it"

[Ydrasse]

Ydrasse lol that's NAI you should know that

It had actual bad vibes like it was supposed to be this quirky little snapback "gotcha!!!" which feels like you're writing off someone way too fast / confidently for you usually as town

[Ydrasse]

It's cool to me that Ydrasse is not using her game apathy to put a half-hearted vote on me and then ditching when she could do exactly that and I think that makes her more likely to be town

I Will Die For you

[Ydrasse]

If you wanna vote me i'll be an afk stump probably for a few days

[Ydrasse]

My gospel will be to kill infinity

[Ydrasse]

Ydrasse where are you getting the idea that you can read me

Openwolf

[Ydrasse]

Lhf is such a dumb concept tbh

Also I literally don't have an interest in voting you and don't have an interest in sniffing out reasons and i don't get your fascination with me townreading you and not seeing the reasons to go against something i actually feel solid in this game

[Ydrasse]

Ydrasse, do you listen to Beach House at all? "Lemon Glow" might be a great song to listen to right now, if you're open to suggestions.

I listened to this earlier and it was very good but i forgot to post that i liked it

[Ydrasse]

At this point i don't wanna eliminate like, prism / monkey (?) / luke (?) / t3 / hectic

i'll vote in child/fidget/infiniy

For anyone asking i did some soul searching on child and i'm ultimately just okay with it compared to everyone else

[Ydrasse]

i'm around in the most loose sense of the word.

[Ydrasse]

Spoiler:

Like if people really want to elim me because they think there are no other options it sucks but I don't think I can fight that because I understand we have no time before deadline but I wish I'm given a chance here

As of now, I'm willing to elim between Infinity 324, Fidget, Child of Fairies and maybe maybe maybe Prism. But I'm still not past page 13. Please give me time to be in this game.

i am town prism i promise you

like im still not in the position to tell people who to vote because i don't have firm grasp of the game yet, and i hate that, but i'm not it

like, if i'm gonna choose between limming me and no lim, i will choose no lim because my flip is meaningless anyway

You can be skeptical. It's a fucking promise in a mafia game. I'm just trying really hard to communicate that I'm town right now.

I will resist this lim with all my might and I'm not going down without a fight.

I'm gonna fight this lim. If you're town, stay out of my lim if you're only gonna "compromise". I suggest you look elsewhere and create a counterwagon.

If I'm gonna be limmed today, I'm gonna make it as valuable as possible.

That's fine if you really think that I'm scum, and not just someone you want to elim because it's easier.

Tell me why I'm scum again, Prism

Infinity, your turn. Why am I scum?

But then again you might just be trying to lim me using that exact reason because you're scum here

it's okay. it's not like i'm going anywhere. I'll haunt you.

feel town to me, reread felt like way i acted as scum once so less sure. don't know if the latter means anything since not me.

[Ydrasse]

if you vote me just remember i'm not going to be around a lot as a stump, not even out of spite anymore. i just don't have the spoons to play.

some part of me is very spiteful about being misread regardless but, whatever.

p-edit: i dunno, makes me doubt my read on hem i guess. they seem keen on surviving this game which doesn't make as much sense but i dunno, the anger with being miselimmed despite the mechanic resonated with me.

[Ydrasse]

my lack of enjoyment is entirely due to oog circumstances right now, so you don't need to apologize. you're just playing the game and i don't have the energy to like, convince you that you're wrong. i don't think you're scum but i also equally think you're predisposed to scumreading me to some degree. i dunno. could be wrong in my assumption. it's just frustrating way more than it normally would be.

[Ydrasse]

i really appreciate that, prism -- i value your perspectives a lot but it's hard for me personally to overcome the barrier that is "someone reads me wrong" that annoys me especially when i'm town because i feel there's a distinction in my town / scum play but, maybe at this point i've hit the threshold of the latter where i can't fall back on that.

given the extension, i'll try to give something more in a few hours if my glass mentality doesn't shatter. i'm amenable to rereading monkey currently. in truth there's nothing i feel very strongly about this game in way of scumreads, and even my townreads have felt on shaky ground from things i've seen. there are a lot of gut feelings without substance to them but when i try to read through to find substance it doesn't fit right, so. struggling. i'll try again later.

[Ydrasse]

i'm playing tahm kench forcing you away from the tower now

[Ydrasse]

kill stealing if lux

[Ydrasse]

*claws myself into here*

[Ydrasse]

i'm not interested in a t3 vote

[Ydrasse]

i am more inclined to vote you than i am some other people

this feeling has receded since my last openwolf tirade to some degree but it still casts a shadow

[Ydrasse]

Did you look into my soul?

a bit

[Ydrasse]

This games going to be something dumb like child/skitter i think

I read infinity’s soul just now

[Ydrasse]

Infinity, lets vote hectic!!

Why

Every single wagon appears to stall out pretty hard. We gotta get a few people on the same page at some point. You + me + skitter all have hectic in out poe, and I think we could round up the votes from T3/HEM

If we leave it with me pushing Prism, Skitter pushing hectic, You pushing skitter, Prism pushing hem/Ydra, hectic pushing child, then we are never going to get a wagon to pass

Idk I still feel like monkey is a decent wagon which is why I'm not super eager to compromise elsewhere in my PoE. Yeah hectic could be scum but I just don't really see why that's likely

Idk I still feel like monkey is a decent wagon which is why I'm not super eager to compromise elsewhere in my PoE. Yeah hectic could be scum but I just don't really see why that's likely

I asked you earlier what your thoughts were on hectic, and your response was he was in your poe, but I guess not your elim poe?

Who is in that pool for you?

Hectic is in my PoE but I'd prefer skitt or monkey and I'm confident that monkey can happen today so I don't really see why I'd compromise on hectic

sorry for quote wall but this exchange is towny from infinity imo since she could easily compromise and get hectic pushed thru (and i feel still that he’s town in many worlds here so i’m acting off that assumption). i don’t think infinity is afraid enough of him as an ic nor do i think she’d want to lose the voting block formed w him / potential for one

[Ydrasse]

but it's u/hem r-right

:^(

prism i need you to know you can’t read me but that’s okay because apparently i’m an inscrutable cryptid to people these days

[Ydrasse]

Hem ):

[Ydrasse]

If hem is scum i really just don’t know how to play this game anymore as town

[Ydrasse]

Whatever i was never going to be a paragon anyways!!!

[Ydrasse]

No one can hear you scream

[Ydrasse]

This games going to be something dumb like child/skitter i think

I read infinity’s soul just now

I dislike this, and why isnt hectic scum

early d1

[Ydrasse]

Do u dislike it because i’m rigjt be honest

[Ydrasse]

This games going to be something dumb like child/skitter i think

I read infinity’s soul just now

I dislike this, and why isnt hectic scum

early d1

Ok do u wanna elaborate or

No i dislike it because:
- i dont understand what changed ror infinity between last night and this morning
- think child is p townie and dont really get the scumreads there
- not sure why everyone is townreading hectic

who’s the everyone that’s townreading him? why’s child so townie?

[Ydrasse]

like luke literally was like “we can counterwagon!” and infinity was like eh he could be but not as scummy as x and y

two off the top of my head that don’t tr

and then there goes t3 who’s unsure

[Ydrasse]

Like i’m sure you read the last pages where he was a viable counterwagon (imo) so coming into today saying he’s next yup is weird as fuck to me

[Ydrasse]

i guess it feels clinical

[Ydrasse]

i’m bad at this game

[Ydrasse]

well i currently have a question as to why @ t3

ill post my thoughts about this game when i’m home i thought minimally about it

[Ydrasse]

my pool is basically skitter/child/t3 tho

[Ydrasse]

you’re town unless you felt a need to bus early on for total control (which like... i do think is in your range prism but also not a necessary move that early on)
think hectics town for past reasons and also the flipflop onto hem without like any justification
infinity looks better to me post flip
luke’s towny and i don’t think he has the gall as scum to try and form a town counterwagon that shamelessly

so ya

skitter feels weird talking abt how hectic wasn’t a viable cw when she scumread him and like, there was someone literally rallying a cw on him when he’s not ~as town~ as he usually is (which is a dumb hole i’ve fallen into before)
t3 and child are just less towny which is why they’re there and t3 feels like either shallow thinking or scum trying to capitalize on an “”easy wagon”” which i consider myself because i defended scum and also i’ve expressed that i’ll just roll over and go with being stumped

[Ydrasse]

well i currently have a question as to why @ t3

ill post my thoughts about this game when i’m home i thought minimally about it

Eod vc.

for not voting? where’s your pressure on child/skitter then for not being on wagon

[Ydrasse]

my pool is basically skitter/child/t3 tho

Why you stealing my pool

it’s a good pool and also a likely pool

please anoint me with knowledge of t3

[Ydrasse]

if i had to shear down my pool more i think i take out child right now but i didn’t read how they spoke about or interacted w hem

[Ydrasse]

skitter scum I don't think pushes outside of the easy poe bit I might be wrong because she defended hem.
Child was on vla I'd ratherhear from them once it ends.
Leaving ydra.

okay but like what about my play other than my vote can you talk about that makes you think i’m scum? you’re going the easy route and you should at least have some bite to it if you’re going to try and kill me

[Ydrasse]

also i feel better in ~general~ mostly and also i kind of want a clean sweep so motivation came back

the flip gave me stuff i could actually cling to

[Ydrasse]

Break over back to sad desk job work sheet money email call time

[Ydrasse]

Launder it yourself

[Ydrasse]

have fun

[Ydrasse]

sorry for repping out, sorry for not being the Best tm this game, was fun to spectate the end of it. gg everyone!

[Ydrasse]

you don’t need to match your town meta blow for blow because as scum that’s impossible imo. you just need to be towny enough and shear away the routes to be voted — a self vote in this case achieved the opposite. you’ll drive yourself mad trying to replicate it exactly when you’re also managing getting things done as scum.

i don’t think in a position like that you needed to be so contrarian. the routes were limited but town at that point was up decently with a good pool. getting that frustrated is in character but ultimately i think a town player in this set of circumstance might’ve been less inclined to self vote. someone who knows more might disagree but that is my opinion.