Open 809: Charge Me Up! [Over]

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Save the Dragons - stop hoarding their gold!

[Flea The Magician]

Thing is, RVS is crucial and I know a lot of good players will base their early reads based on players entries.

For me, I'm always scummy on them when I'm late

VOTE: Dark Magical Girl anyway. There can only be one magician!

[Flea The Magician]

no idea but ngl my systematic butt is displeased by it and is ignoring it.

and it's not a rule, simply a challenge of whom is the better magus >:)

[Flea The Magician]

Thing is, RVS is crucial and I know a lot of good players will base their early reads based on players entries.

For me, I'm always scummy on them when I'm late

VOTE: Dark Magical Girl anyway. There can only be one magician!

is that so? I guess we are gonna have to die then cause there's two of us just on this account

I raise you with IRL plurality and there's usually 3 or 4 of us watching and building thoughts. mwahahah. #ultimateHydra

VOTE: green crayons

I remember playing with you ages ago...

Early townread on dark magician for good posting, clearly the superior sorcerer to other sorcerer's.

That's because I'm not a sorcerer, I'm a Magician... specifically a Sky Mage Samurai. (The kanji is weird to translate, noble/scholar/respected person with warrior conations)

i'm not the only one who has no clue what flow trap is trying to say, right?

Yup, I get what they're meaning.

Flow Trap may be actually be town.
That said, I'm keeping my vote here for now.

EWWWWW
VOTE: VFP

[Flea The Magician]

dewit. I double dare you.

[Flea The Magician]

Dk probably scum then.
Good to know.

astonishingly bad take - whats sad is I think you're town here and scum is taking advantage of your foolish play thus far based on how I'm reading the game state right now.

Nice way to call me scum koba

[Flea The Magician]

Dk probably scum then.
Good to know.

astonishingly bad take - whats sad is I think you're town here and scum is taking advantage of your foolish play thus far based on how I'm reading the game state right now.

Nice way to call me scum koba

U know i had separately had scumpings on your slot already based on individual lines - but you pointing out another reason is helping me thx ~

ngl I just fully intend to not seriously interact with you, we cant read each other lets face it

[Flea The Magician]

I'm asking about flea

Whyyyyy?

[Flea The Magician]

Hmmm. I don't particularly like that DK immeneately claimed to be a PR.

But I also really don't like VFP immediately taking Flow Trap's word that they were confirmed town - joking or not, still unclear but kind of irrelevant to me after they dodged the question the first time tbh

And I also dislike Jester/scum memeing from Not_Mafia. Like ewwww

VOTE: Not_Mafia

That is NM's default entry to the game..

Oh for those not aware, E-1 is NM-Hammer.

[Flea The Magician]

DkKoba
flow trap
Artemiana
MiniVirgo (MiniMegabyte + JacksonVirgo)
VFP
Dark Magician Girl
mozamis
Green Crayons
Flea the Magician
Lukewarm
Yessiree
Not_Mafia
Save the Dragons
NDMath <-

What is this logic? o.o

Lemme do a thing here...

[Flea The Magician]

This is where your logic is flawed. I ran a 10-3-1 setup with us through my distribution checker so I can confirm my script isn't showing much bias.
It randomly set up the game 10,000 times assuming 10-3-1.

Spoiler: I totally didn't have this script lying around...

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{'Artemiana': {'Mafia Goon': 104, 'Serial Killer': 29, 'Vanilla Townie': 328},

 'Dark Magician Girl': {'Mafia Goon': 135,
                        'Serial Killer': 31,
                        'Vanilla Townie': 342},

 'DkKoba': {'Mafia Goon': 91, 'Serial Killer': 37, 'Vanilla Townie': 368},

 'Flea the Magician': {'Mafia Goon': 132,
                       'Serial Killer': 39,
                       'Vanilla Townie': 357},

 'Green Crayons': {'Mafia Goon': 100,
                   'Serial Killer': 41,
                   'Vanilla Townie': 365},

 'Lukewarm': {'Mafia Goon': 107, 'Serial Killer': 26, 'Vanilla Townie': 364},

 'MiniVirgo (MiniMegabyte + JacksonVirgo)': {'Mafia Goon': 112,
                                             'Serial Killer': 35,
                                             'Vanilla Townie': 348},

 'NDMath': {'Mafia Goon': 108, 'Serial Killer': 35, 'Vanilla Townie': 339},

 'Not_Mafia': {'Mafia Goon': 101, 'Serial Killer': 33, 'Vanilla Townie': 360},

 'Save the Dragons': {'Mafia Goon': 109,
                      'Serial Killer': 33,
                      'Vanilla Townie': 358},

 'VFP ': {'Mafia Goon': 96, 'Serial Killer': 36, 'Vanilla Townie': 355},

 'Yessiree ': {'Mafia Goon': 99, 'Serial Killer': 39, 'Vanilla Townie': 354},

 'flow trap': {'Mafia Goon': 118, 'Serial Killer': 39, 'Vanilla Townie': 353},

 'mozamis': {'Mafia Goon': 105, 'Serial Killer': 30, 'Vanilla Townie': 367}}

Pretty sure this tells you your argument about positioning on the player list is BS. The variation is what I'd expect

Spoiler: Changed it to 10,000 times for shiggles

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{'Artemiana': {'Mafia Goon': 1078,
               'Serial Killer': 378,
               'Vanilla Townie': 3559},
 'Dark Magician Girl': {'Mafia Goon': 1064,
                        'Serial Killer': 373,
                        'Vanilla Townie': 3545},
 'DkKoba': {'Mafia Goon': 1065, 'Serial Killer': 384, 'Vanilla Townie': 3578},
 'Flea the Magician': {'Mafia Goon': 1094,
                       'Serial Killer': 347,
                       'Vanilla Townie': 3556},
 'Green Crayons': {'Mafia Goon': 1094,
                   'Serial Killer': 374,
                   'Vanilla Townie': 3517},
 'Lukewarm': {'Mafia Goon': 1092, 'Serial Killer': 350, 'Vanilla Townie': 3503},
 'MiniVirgo (MiniMegabyte + JacksonVirgo)': {'Mafia Goon': 1075,
                                             'Serial Killer': 349,
                                             'Vanilla Townie': 3481},
 'NDMath': {'Mafia Goon': 1013, 'Serial Killer': 374, 'Vanilla Townie': 3534},
 'Not_Mafia': {'Mafia Goon': 1126,
               'Serial Killer': 369,
               'Vanilla Townie': 3575},
 'Save the Dragons': {'Mafia Goon': 1144,
                      'Serial Killer': 369,
                      'Vanilla Townie': 3559},
 'VFP ': {'Mafia Goon': 1108, 'Serial Killer': 339, 'Vanilla Townie': 3523},
 'Yessiree ': {'Mafia Goon': 1073,
               'Serial Killer': 329,
               'Vanilla Townie': 3649},
 'flow trap': {'Mafia Goon': 1160,
               'Serial Killer': 341,
               'Vanilla Townie': 3531},
 'mozamis': {'Mafia Goon': 1044, 'Serial Killer': 347, 'Vanilla Townie': 3595}}

[Flea The Magician]

SK is complete speculation btw but it is 14p...

[Flea The Magician]

Can't believe that needed saing, honestly...

now where was I...

VOTE: DmG! Monster and dark magic! *hiss!*

[Flea The Magician]

Very confused how you got this far without seeing the alignment ratios. I question if that's a mistake town can make.

Because I don't look at them usually I look at additional mech and thats it usually.

Hell I play in Normals without knowing what actually counts as a normal role or not

how can we doing set up spec already?
aaaaaaaagh

We're not.

*Mufasa voice*

It is forbidden.

oh you played on epicmafia?
yeah that solidifies my scumread here.

<buuuurn.gif>

[Flea The Magician]

Oh hey its 11-3.... I'm also not that used to open setups is my defence here xD (Seriously go look, I mostly play closed themes )

Oh well, SK in that example now exists to show the possibility of rolling 1 specific role in the pool, add it on to town if you want town numbers

[Flea The Magician]

Flea can you explain why you are on DMG?

Yes.

They perform dark magicks. I perform Sky Magicks.
There is 2 of them to achieve their power, I am only me (... )
They are cheating using the DMG to meta the combat encounters.

[Flea The Magician]

That is my explanation.

If you like it or not is a different matter

[Flea The Magician]

Setup

Wiki Page

Spoiler: Setup Information

Alignments

3 Mafia

11 Town

The alignments distribution was publicly announced by the mod, so not sure why its in question lol

I don't like it because Flow trap is definitely not confirmed town, so anyone taking their word for it is bad. That does not really seem like a scum thing to do, so I am not scum reading them for it, but I am pointing out that I don't like it lol

weird. i assume when people say "oh i don't like that player did x" that means they think it's suspicious.

are the other things you point out as not liking also you saying you think that it is just non-ai bad play? or just this one instance.

I don't like it, because even if it is a town player doing it, it makes it harder for town to win. That goes for DK claiming a PR (which I neutrally read), VFP agreeing with flow trap's claim (which I am more inclined to town read), and for anyone memeing as either Jester or Scum.

The last one is one of my least favorite things that a town player can do. That is not something I am using as a part of making my proper reads, but so far I don't have a strong enough scum read to pull me out of RVS, so I voted against that.

I am conf wildcard jester.

[Flea The Magician]

More seriously tho, I'm lukewarm on Faer so they aren't getting a chance to have a picnic with me! At least not at this point in time.

Hard ping on VFP and Lukewarm tho

You haven't earned your place on the town blanket yet ¬_¬

*monches tuna&cucumber sammich*

VFP
Dk
Flow
Flea
Dragon
DMG
NM
Yessiree
Mini

Moz
Artemiana
Green

Lukewarm
ND

I think we just won regardless?

Lukewarm red flip adds Green to VFP block.
Lukewarm Green flip adds Green to scum

My D1 scum team though is
Lukewarm / ND / Artemiana

This scares me. Also much sus.

[Flea The Magician]

Ok flea town

can you explain why you said this at this time

Because I thought flea was town?

was town D: what did I do to not be town now

[Flea The Magician]

Ok flea town

can you explain why you said this at this time

Because I thought flea was town?

was town D: what did I do to not be town now

I converted you

I GOT CULTED?!

[Flea The Magician]

That’s a big town block which is concerning

This is the updated one.

VFP
Dk
Flow
Flea
Dragon
DMG
NM
Yessiree
Mini

This still scares me.

VFP
Dk
Flow
Flea
Dragon
DMG
NM

Moz
Artemiana
Mini
Yessiree
Green

Lukewarm
ND

Having half the game as town?? How can you know this unless you know because you’re scum

Some peeps are good at pre-loading blocks from RVS, NAI really.

[Flea The Magician]

so now that we have progressed a little - how do people feel about no limming so PRs can do their thing and investigatives can potentially give us some juicy info?

Koba ILY but no.

just super scummy vibes from that post

also happy with DMG, who I also think is scum for reasons stated + soft attempt at pocketing yes

Please restate for the record.

in case my post above wasn't obvious enough, Green, that's me calling you mafia

lol

That all?

This could be good catch from Flea.

EWWWWW
VOTE: VFP

VFP, why are you leaving your vote on Flow when you think they are town?

I'd hardly call it a good catch. just an Ew moment.

[Flea The Magician]

Being scumread for no apparent reason is inherently agitating?

Maybe if it was not Day 1, when more reads have very little to go on anyways. And maybe if VFP's scum read on you was getting you close to being voted out.

It rubbed me the wrong way because it is Day 1, and you have zero votes on you, like VFP isn't even voting for you, but you still seem defensive.

You should look at my games. I'm normally in everyones PoE f not scumreads at this point

DMG is officially removed from the VFP block.
So we now have an opening.

I'm actually warming up to my magical rivals...

I might be added Green into the block at this rate.

Still scares me I'm in there, ngl.

VOTE: dmg

NO U
VOTE: Green Crayon

NGL I'm kinda futzing mentally, so I have a catchup to do tomorrow.

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: Please believe me!

Artemiana

: Null read, maybe the slightest hint of a lean towards scum. Has made absolutly zero posts with content. after 3 days, this starts to worry me. The longer that goes on, the more I start to feel like they are either scum trying to avoid slipping up, or they are a town player who is not actually going to help the town scum hunt.

DMG

: hmmm. DMG is hard to read so far. I am going back and forth on them.

DkKob

: Town lean. I am finding it hard to articulate why, but I liked reading through their iso.

Flea

: Null read, maybe very slight lean towards town

Flow Trap

: town lean. Looking at thier 3 votes, they all seem like town logic, and especially their second vote against Artemiana seems counter to how scum would choose a vote.

Green

: Town lean

Mini

- Town lean? They tried so hard to engage with VFP, and that seems more of a town thing to do . This is a weak lean

Mozamis

: Same as Artemiana, except post 322 came after I already called them out for it, and it stil has very minimal content, but more content then Artemiana has provided.

NDMath

: scum lean. Post 291 really rubs me the wrong way. They seemed too agitated and defensive over VFP's scum read on them, especially given that they have zero votes against them.

Not_Mafia

: Not enough content for me to read

Save the Dragon

: town lean. Seems to actually be scum hunting. For some reason, them asking for my mafia playing experience felt town.

VFP

: So many posts, but none of them feel serious at all, which makes it hard to read them. I am actually inclined to give them a town lean.

Yessiree

: having a hard time forming an opinion here

NOBODY townreads Koba this early D1. Scumteam confirmed!

in case my post above wasn't obvious enough, Green, that's me calling you mafia

lol

That all?

idk what this prompt is ("that all?")

but lol at dmg's clear misrep of my vote

Is that your entire response? Just "lol"?

Spoiler: Does the world decieve me?

I think it's funny I wrote like 3 paragraphs on this page and rather than have thoughts about them you're like "I just think she's town"

besides that I figure pushing you for an actual response isn't useful

DGM Town

Spoiler: Don't stand me up

so now that we have progressed a little - how do people feel about no limming so PRs can do their thing and investigatives can potentially give us some juicy info?

Koba ILY but no.

we are starting with evens - why not?

We're on D1 going into N1... we're not on evens.

What if we get a successful Protection though

protectives should holster

... You know I don't use the 2S2BS argument, right? and I absolutely would not holster.

I asked for people to guess who I am and am still disappointed there aren't any

who do you think koba

Distraction tactic?

Spoiler: Just leave me!

I already have my vote on DMG, but I am even more turned off of them by the fact that they have turned the majority of the last two pages of this thread into a discussion on the identities of their hydra. Both generating, and encouraging other people to generate, posts in the thread that cannot help us to find the mafia is anti-town.

You get a town point.

Not helpful#Anti-town

And you lose one.

tbh even useless conversation can be useful to judge things like comfortability in thread, and it can attract mafia to comment on it while they don't comment on more content-full conversation

I don't mind the presence of it at all

Depends on how much it takes over honestly, and I think you know exactly what I'm talking about...

I'm not a fan of that turnaround

My point stands.

and you get town points!
<insert Opera gif here>

Spoiler: I have fallen again

UNVOTE:

Being scumread for no apparent reason is inherently agitating?

Maybe if it was not Day 1, when more reads have very little to go on anyways. And maybe if VFP's scum read on you was getting you close to being voted out.

It rubbed me the wrong way because it is Day 1, and you have zero votes on you, like VFP isn't even voting for you, but you still seem defensive.

I agree I have been defensive, my argument is that I have good reason to be.


I scumread Flea's input (in 330 and 389) on the DMG v Green argument.
Faer responses are unnatural/don't really match the conversation.
Also I'm kinda confused by flea taking the minority opinion but not at all explaining why they think that way.

Which responses again?
The one where I ask for the reasons to be restated for my clarity, the "that all?" or the one where I "NO U" vote Green?
What strikes you as unnatural?
I match the conversation? THE CONVERSATION TURNED HOTPINK!? *sqeeeee*

i wana

you wana?

we wana PAAAAARTAAAAAAAAY

I hardclaim pr -

I also hard claim a power role

Me three.

i'm sparticus

I'm gonna channel A50's wisdom and say there's probably 1 scum in these 4 mofos

Which one, and why other than standard distribution odds?

Spoiler: This is the end.

its crazy cuz like i was townleaning u until u like threw that weird shade at me there- didnt like it at all and like made me feel like "huh am i wrong here?" kinda vibe.

hmmm, i thought you were good at reading me, cause it's pretty easy to see that was made in jest imo

im autistic so maybe the "joke" went over my head so u should maybe work on making jokes more obvious over text in that case because it most definitely did not come off that way

FWIW I didn't see it as a joke either and took it as kinda overtelling?

You use meta to SR me and say you don't need to learn how meta works when you're using it wrong. Alrighty then, just remembered why I didn't like you.

Also experience does not mean skill, obviously so considering you.

In the bin you go.

Spoiler: Pain redefined!

i do have skill and i dont feel the need to prove it with games - the fact i could case you d1 in a game easily is plenty enough to show that you that. you lost to me twice just accept it.

Fuck right off, you think you're so high and mighty so much so that you think you know how the fuck I play when you simply don't.

And watch me flip Town now and prove to you that your reads are as fucking garbage as yourself. Get off your fucking high horse if you ever want to actually improve instead of thinking you are.

- JV

VOTE: MiniVirgo[Policy]

VOTE: MiniVirgo[Policy]

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: An error in my genesis

@Flea why are you deciding to label that as a policy?
Also what are we at?
- JV

Because pulling crap like that is bad juju, rude and just bad ettiquette. Yeah I ain't perfect but I don't tell people to fluff off and I do my best to avoid attacking a player in such a way. Step back, find a new target, move on, don't be an ass.

VOTE: MiniVirgo[Policy]

Scummy post

If you say so, you know what I'm like, you know this isn't out of character for me as either alignment.

or, like, more generally. the blow up feels forced but idk if this is just how jv exists.

Forced or not, its NAI.

Why do I get the feeling this is you trying to defend a scumbuddy?

495 is impossible to easily respond to, please separate out your points/lines of conversation with separate posts

No, because I'd be here forever. You know how the post tags work, evidently, feel free to use them. I am happy to pull sections as needed for conversations.
Also Find is a powerful tool, and its why I use song lyrics for my spoilers, part because I love music, part because "Ok this post was in this section.... "

Spoiler: The Reason why I started this.

That is not helping

Why? A policy vote by any other name is still a policy vote.

I refuse to state

Now this isn't helping.

Spoiler: Where did we go wrong!?

ok what is ur read there then

I refuse to state

????

Question marks are bad for your health

So is being part wolf flow trap.

The odd thing is, this isn't how I normally play (outside of bastard games).
Personally I hate D1 and I prefer to sub into games to get something going.

That said only nm and Flea have a completed game with me and I don't think it AI at all that I'm not scum to them for it (maybe I am still to nm?) (Maybe I am to Flea?)

I have 2 if I recall, I find you quite enjoyable to play with ^_^ Nothing in this game has really pinged me strongly either way from you and I'm inclined to town lean you currently.

Maybe we should re-kick start the discussion using the never before seen (and therefore never before wrong) Lukewarm Town Block™

Lukewarm
VFP
Dkkoba
Flow Trap
Save the Dragon
Green
Flea the Magician

Not Mafia
Moz
Artemiana
Mini
Yessiree

ND

OR

Dark Magician Girl

(but not both)

MiniVirgo

Read logic not included

I would like to see your justifications for 1 of each block.
I would like justification on myself, Mini and Mini, personally, and dmg for the bonus points, but I'll accept its dealers option.

I'm waiting for this still

I'm at my PC now.
But I'm tired so here's this.

VFP
Dk
Flea
Dragon
DMG
NM
Yessiree
Mini
Moz
Artemiana
Green
Lukewarm
ND

Flow

wat

Spoiler: Don't you know,

K I'm bored guess it's time to actually start reading people

I mean that is what you should be doing in this game. If you are town you should have been doing this already

That is literally not the only thing Town does

This is an intriguing response....

im actively posting more to avoid suspicion yeah

What was the need to say this

- Mini

it was needed because it humored me because people think posting habits are AI for everyone.

Ikr, I can hyper post, wall post and vanish and it's literally NAI for me

Maybe we should re-kick start the discussion using the never before seen (and therefore never before wrong) Lukewarm Town Block™

Lukewarm
VFP
Dkkoba
Flow Trap
Save the Dragon
Green
Flea the Magician

Not Mafia
Moz
Artemiana
Mini
Yessiree

ND

OR

Dark Magician Girl

(but not both)

MiniVirgo

Read logic not included

Why do you have our slot there twice?

- Mini

:oops:Because I literally copy and pasted VFP's town block to make sure I used the same formatting, but apparently messed up when I plugged my own reads in to it

Now that is interesting... This gets it own post.

i just recently played a game where i caught scum crayons fairly early and i dont get quite the same vibe here

Just because you dont get the same vibe in this gamer to other games about players doesnt really prove much anything could happen so dont get too caught up in the meta side of reading people

- Mini

Honestly, from my experience, there is very little to go on Day 1, except past experiences and general vibes. I generally view Day 1 as a chore to get through to get the to more fun parts of the game, when I can scum hunt using concrete information. Don't get me wrong, Day 1 conversations are vital later on, because you can think about those posts in light of the new information that you gained moving forward in the game, but DkKoba's reasonings for reading people on Day 1, when no one has concrete information, seems just as valid of a way to approach Day 1 as anything I am seeing from the other players in this game.

This is a lot of text for "eh, D1 is only really useful later on."

actually tbh i just straight think JV might be scum here LMFAO they havent towntold at all

Who has?

- Mini (the last one was from me too)

ME

Spoiler: that in the end,

gamestate manipulation is my favorite part of the game

Well if this isnt scum I dont know what is

- Mini

NAI. We're all shifting the gamestate around slowly, some just like to do it fater and Dk is one known for creating the waves for peeps to surf on. Sadly they're also the shark that hums the Jaws theme and gets their monch on.

I mean you are welcome to town read them if you'd like, but I don't. And quite honestly, I don't think there is much that could be done today to get me to take my vote off of them before the day ends.

This isn't about town reading or scum reading them.
You were talking about wondering why Mini reacted like that. I'm telling you why they reacted like that.

It could be scum frustration as much as town frustration. That's a geniune reason if I've ever seen one though.
482 does not explain the reaction, it explains the agenda from Dk's opinion.

You pointed to a post from mini, where they admitted to having lost twice to DkKoba. And that is supposed to completely explains why they it would be make sense that they were upset to have been scum read by koba?

That level of reaction simply does not make sense to me if they are town being scum read. That level of reaction feels more genuine if it is the reaction to thinking you are getting ready to lose to koba a 3rd time in a row. Which indicates to me that they are scum, upset by being scum read by koba.

I might be right, I might be wrong, but my vote isn't changing off of Mini until they are dead or I am. I am more then happy to keep scum hunting other people in the mean time tho.

Godsdamnit the popcorn machine is in the shop for repairs..

i feel naked when someone describes my exact thought process without me laying it out

Being read accurately is a new one for you too ain't it?

Spoiler: You're no stronger of hand,

wtf I've been refreshing this thinking there were no new posts but in actuality I just needed to go to the next page

I'm tired af I'll give thoughts tomorrow

This is a mood xD

lukewarm could be scum

Dk probably town, but if they're scum then lukewarm is definitely scum

flow trap and VFP are my biggest townreads

I want to invite you to the town picnic blankie just for the sass and timing here, I really do xD

Here are my skim reads

You've been in the game more than me, activity wise, why are you giving out skim reads and not fleshed out reads?

Spoiler: You are no stronger of heart.

I'm surprised that DMG is null for you. They seem to have added enough to the game to warrant a read.

Honestly a lot of the image is BS, The fact an image has been used always makes me question motive because, that's an image. thats something they've sat down to actually create to visualise.

Where as I'm say here with my notes in Markdown using

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Player | Score
--- | ---
Flea | 10
Part wolf | 3

can't say actually

*Chefs kiss*

Spoiler: Don't you know, in the end, we'll be tragically torn apart

blep.

If you can't controll the stooooooorm!

VOTE: Part WolfloW traP

[Flea The Magician]

This caught my eye, and needed its own post. Annoyingly they've repped out so can't answer it (hope all is well) but leaving it here now.
On the left, we have post 562 from Lukewarm...
And on the right we have post 211 from VFP, the originator supposedly...

Lukewarm Lukewarm VFP Dkkoba Flow Trap Save the Dragon Green Flea the Magician Not Mafia Moz Artemiana Mini Yessiree XOR ND Dark Magician Girl MiniVirgo

VFP VFP Dk Flow Flea Dragon DMG NM Yessiree Mini Moz Artemiana Green Lukewarm ND

I have made minor modifications to these posts to try and help readability on mobile.

I don't see how you've used the "template", but I can see the style copy, which makes this highly questionable:

Because I literally copy and pasted VFP's town block to make sure I used the same formatting, but apparently messed up when I plugged my own reads in to it

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Part WolfloW traP

can you sum up your vote on flow trap

They scumz.

[Flea The Magician]

Then read my post.

[Flea The Magician]

No, I made the effort to separate my catchup into one condensable post, one which has already been heavily filtered, believe it or not.

Otherwise I end up with as many active notes as players and then posting each one for each player which is frankly annoying when some things link together like the VFP and Lukewarm bits and doubly annoying on my end for organising my notes.

Go read, make a note of each section the bits you want to talk about are in, or even the post numbers and talk from there. I'll pull the sections for context in my responses.

Otherwise I may as well post fart gifs and do nothing unless asked.

[Flea The Magician]

OK you have read, the key points are:

- The image is always sus to me when provided as content. It can be potentially be modified or removed so that gains immediate scumpoints for me as its something I can't ignore the potential abuse of; and I don't buy the "oops wrong image" excuse, it's an ibb link and you don't accidentally pull one of those unless you need it. that means it's either intended for this thread, another PT or somewhere else in my opinion. Not only that, there's a failure to elaborate on the refinements when asked, but playful dismissal,

- A player with that level of activity should have more than null reads 28 days in. I have more reads and i've hardly posted in here, admittedly I'm slightly over gamed currently but I'm still giving my all when I can. Even then, this is a reason, not a justification or an excuse.

[quote="In post 679, Flea The Magician in "You are no stronger of heart."]

Spoiler: An error in my genesis

I'm surprised that DMG is null for you. They seem to have added enough to the game to warrant a read.

Honestly a lot of the image is BS, The fact an image has been used always makes me question motive because, that's an image. thats something they've sat down to actually create to visualise.

Where as I'm say here with my notes in Markdown using

Code: Select all

Player | Score
--- | ---
Flea | 10
Part wolf | 3

[/quote]
There's effort being made here, and yet... no reads?

- I'm seeing a lot of them, but nothing even game tickling. Hiding in plain sight?

the chefs kiss comment is just me loving Koba's response by yeeting Wolfies comment back at him, and isn't at the vote. interesting you went there though.


PEDIT: Ya'll should really give me time to adequetly respond jumpy much that I'm on your scumbuddy?

[Flea The Magician]

28 pages, not days, sorry.

[Flea The Magician]

are... are you reading what I'm actually posting here or are you just finding key points and adding your own context? o.o

[Flea The Magician]

I'd hardly call 687 - one of the posts in question - obfuscated or spoilered content.

Also yeesh if you think those spoilers are huge... that's the filtered stuff.

[Flea The Magician]

i tend to get pissed off when people respond to my questions with fart gifs

that should not be shocking

This is not ignoring 687, this is directly at 687 and which is where my point about adding your own context comes into it.

Superposting/wallposting is a playstyle thing, I ain't changing it because its how my flow works.

[Flea The Magician]

My comment about fart gifs was saying I may as well do nothing but post fart gifs if i'm not posting catchup content or engaging by being questioned, you've then misread it or placed your own context in, applying inferring that I would respond to questions with fart gifs.

My PEdit didn't even mention this, so you've somehow connected contexts there.

[Flea The Magician]

if you wish me to respond let me know but i'm not certain this conversation is productive

Honestly, same. Feels like crossed wires here more than anything game progressive.

Back to sleep for me.

[Flea The Magician]

It's called DAing

Don't question my obscure strategies

Faduq is DAing?

[Flea The Magician]

The Flea and Dragons interaction to me looks bad for flea because the accusation that dragons hadn't read the post was unfounded and there isn't a reason for town!flea to think that in the first place.

It was ultimately crossed wires, and I was of the view the post had been skimmed, not read.
Was it just that bit looking bad for me or more of it? because that's a pretty naff bit to just be worth calling out.

[Flea The Magician]

[snippity snip snip!]
¹Flea votes Dark Magician girl perhaps as a meme.

Dk then says they don't feel like the need to justify all my reads this early. Which is eh. I wish people would. No reason to withhold info as town. You would be in this case antitown/mafia. DMG asked a simple question with a simple answer in my opinion. Dk bad reaction. Dk could have just said the scumpings on FTM include these quotes (post quotes) and *explain why they are bad* and then ²explain the openwolf FTM did in post 70. Again, very simple read. No reason to withhold that info from town.

³FTM same basic reaction in post 87. "We can't read each other lets face it" regarding Dk. Which is again no reason to act anti town. ^3.5Interactions is sometimes a viable method and utility to game solve for town.

⁴FTM Actually takes flowtraps joke seriously in a way. Some others like Nd defend flowtrap's joke which honestly could just be obvious scum but also in a predicament where ND is looking at it from a town mindset. Hard to tell.

¹ -> It was RVS... and memes are fun :3
² -> Would you care to explain how 70 is openwolfing?
³ -> We can't. it's fun. besides, I said

serious interaction

, not no interaction...
^3.5 -> .. because me and DkKoba are more than capable of getting heated and not in a good way. For the games health, we need to not, basically.
⁴ -> You didn't give a post for context on this, so I'm assuming my 127 in response to their logic in 112 and 114. Some players and even some moderators do order the player list specifically for some games, and that's there my thinking was then.

[Flea The Magician]

Calling me out just for that reason seems a little pointless and quite trivial, maybe later on during a case development. Why now?

[Flea The Magician]

[snippity snip snip!]
¹Flea votes Dark Magician girl perhaps as a meme.

Dk then says they don't feel like the need to justify all my reads this early. Which is eh. I wish people would. No reason to withhold info as town. You would be in this case antitown/mafia. DMG asked a simple question with a simple answer in my opinion. Dk bad reaction. Dk could have just said the scumpings on FTM include these quotes (post quotes) and *explain why they are bad* and then ²explain the openwolf FTM did in post 70. Again, very simple read. No reason to withhold that info from town.

³FTM same basic reaction in post 87. "We can't read each other lets face it" regarding Dk. Which is again no reason to act anti town. ^3.5Interactions is sometimes a viable method and utility to game solve for town.

⁴FTM Actually takes flowtraps joke seriously in a way. Some others like Nd defend flowtrap's joke which honestly could just be obvious scum but also in a predicament where ND is looking at it from a town mindset. Hard to tell.

¹ -> It was RVS... and memes are fun :3
² -> Would you care to explain how 70 is openwolfing?
³ -> We can't. it's fun. besides, I said

serious interaction

, not no interaction...
^3.5 -> .. because me and DkKoba are more than capable of getting heated and not in a good way. For the games health, we need to not, basically.
⁴ -> You didn't give a post for context on this, so I'm assuming my 127 in response to their logic in 112 and 114. Some players and even some moderators do order the player list specifically for some games, and that's there my thinking was then.

1. Yes, I was thinking maybe it was too late for RVS but understandable and could be NAI.
2. Because they called you "out" and technically you confessed to being scum. You are openwolfing as scum/town to be scum in this instance.
3. Understandable; still I believe in my opinion that interactions should always be pushed. I will be reading more and looking at more interactions between you both just to see clarity.
3.5. Yup. That's with me and Virgo. But like I said, I would probably look at earlier interactions just to justify this statement so you don't BS this claim.
4. Yes, you took it seriously. Why are you defending like you were not? I called you out for taking it serious and that should tell you something. No reason to re explain; I know what you did.

2

Dk probably scum then.
Good to know.

astonishingly bad take - whats sad is I think you're town here and scum is taking advantage of your foolish play thus far based on how I'm reading the game state right now.

Nice way to call me scum koba

OK This is post 70, this is me apparently saying I'm scum and open wolfing...

Again, can you explain this for me?

3.5

Have fun meta and alt diving.

4

Never said I didn't take it seriously, curious why you're attempting to misrepresent me like this.
I provided my reasoning, which was a serious reasoning. Why else would I feed the playerlist into my setup script and run its verification module?

Got all I needed from this. You join the scumpile.

[Flea The Magician]

flow trap flips town here btw lmfao

this is why i voted grandpamo, it just looks too confident that flow trap flips town here, like scum setting themselves up to look good. but it's a weak read i've moved on but igmeoy

I can explain why.

Why so you make so many empty posts?

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Flea
Flea here is a lot of noise but no content.

You should be used to this, and there's worse slots.

[Flea The Magician]

SMH Flea don't act scummy, I need your reasoning

hey wolfy, look at my location, then at me, then look up, and back... hah made you move.

Reasoning for what?

[Flea The Magician]

SMH Flea don't act scummy, I need your reasoning

hey wolfy, look at my location, then at me, then look up, and back... hah made you move.

Reasoning for what?

For why the image wasn't an accident

its an ibb.co link, you can't just pull that link by accident.
grabbing this required at least 2 pages to get to, and the link had to be obtained

deliberately

You're posting that in a PT somewhere, or in here and lying about it trying to cause shit to happen.

[Flea The Magician]

joke seriously in a way. Some others like Nd defend flowtrap's joke which honestly could just be obvious scum but also in a predicament where ND is looking at it from a town mindset. Hard to tell.

Not once I have said you were scum in that interaction. Please read what I said. You are getting over defensive for something that isn't happening. You may be misunderstanding what I said in previous quotes.

Want to fix your misrepresentation?

[Flea The Magician]

[Didn't actually say what was quoted, go look]

Not once I have said you were scum in that interaction. Please read what I said. You are getting over defensive for something that isn't happening. You may be misunderstanding what I said in previous quotes.

Want to fix your misrepresentation?

What misrepresentation?

2 -- "OK This is post 70, this is me apparently saying I'm scum and open wolfing... Again, can you explain this for me?"

You should know how that is openwolfing I explained. I will explain again, if your scum, you are openwolfing as scum because you insisted to claim scum by saying "Nice way to call me scum" implying you are calling yourself scum. What is there not to understand?

I pointed it out. I didn't give a conclusion on it however. You are the only one who replied to my judgment calls and became offended.

4 -- "Never said I didn't take it seriously, curious why you're attempting to misrepresent me like this.
I provided my reasoning, which was a serious reasoning. Why else would I feed the playerlist into my setup script and run its verification module?"

Again. There is no misrepresentation. I say right here... "

FTM Actually takes flowtraps joke seriously in a way.

Some others like Nd defend flowtrap's joke which honestly could just be obvious scum but also in a predicament where ND is looking at it from a town mindset. Hard to tell."

Where in that have I said you are scum or town. I was reading into ND there instead of you. Again, you replied to something that wasn't even talking about you but just to keep for notation purposes. I gave no context because it was irrelevant; I wasn't calling you scum nor town for it.

You are literally proving my point by saying you were serious. What is the point of you debating with me? What are you trying to get through to me? Because there is no points being made. I haven't called you scum nor town through any of this interaction. I am confused on what you are getting at here and why I am being read through this interaction alone. Please read what I originally said and look at full context.

Your broken ass quote for one thing, which is not anything I've said.

I still have no idea how me saying, "nice way to call me scum koba" is openwolfing. I'm acknowledging Koba's read, and am amused by it. You appear to be using it as an AI comment when it isn't.

"seriously in a way" is so half arsed if you farted you'd make dookie. I didn't see it as a joke, given that again some mods put their player lists in a specific order....

Where in that have I said you are scum or town. I was reading into ND there instead of you. Again, you replied to something that wasn't even talking about you but just to keep for notation purposes. I gave no context because it was irrelevant; I wasn't calling you scum nor town for it.

I haven't implied nor inferred either. I have thrown you in my scumpile though. We both agree I took it seriously, and yet "you know what I did" and still felt need to draw attention to it beyond the notation and then ask why I'm defending as though it wasn't serious. This is bendy at minimum. Then you "calling me out should tell [me] something", what should it tell me? because I'm missing a memo here.

[Flea The Magician]

because i think mozamis is your partner lol

So why not vote for the wagon that's gaining traction?

fuck it VOTE: std
i want this gone - i have a strong scumread here and i already stated its not a bad thing if we nolim so i will stand my ground here. Flow trap or STD.

I'm good for this, I'd rather yeet Wolf.
VOTE: Save The Dragons

Will be around ~30mins before deadline to hammer drop.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm not scum, and I'm not claiming

This is town

Its NAI at best.

I know for a fact I did not have the most votes on me last night, so yall can't say I was the easiest wagon, and Dragons was basically my counter wagon, why would I, as scum, refuse to push Dragons?

Buddies?

This is truly a remarkable performance... 10 days of game play... all for what? No one voting me thinks I'm flipping scum, no one voting STD has a legit case for that. You guys are seriously a mess. Yet I'm the chosen one to randomly yeet? oh wait... you have to be here to do that, and I'm not seeing anyone showing up in the next 5 hours.. so gg well played, time to hope town doesn't fall apart tonight, I'm so glad we're seeing stellar performances from all

I just can't fight this feeeeling any mooooore... ahv'e forgotten just why you're toooooooown

This is truly a remarkable performance... 10 days of game play... all for what? No one voting me thinks I'm flipping scum, no one voting STD has a legit case for that. You guys are seriously a mess. Yet I'm the chosen one to randomly yeet? oh wait... you have to be here to do that, and I'm not seeing anyone showing up in the next 5 hours.. so gg well played, time to hope town doesn't fall apart tonight, I'm so glad we're seeing stellar performances from all

On the bright side if no one shows up you can't be shot

I mean, I'd rather be voted out than desperado trying to be the hero and kill me, Like, I recently subbed in, why am I the one taking this game more seriously than those who have been here... yet I'm somehow still scumread by people... ahhhhh

Because I did the same recently, I subbed into a scummy af slot and saved it by... not this. Not by shading most folk in the game, crying out for town when we still have >2 hours at this point when most have said they will be around. Some folk have lives ya know.

I already explained my scumread on T3. And t3 has yet to defend, sad!. So I am not sheeping or voting just for an elim. Andante is most likely town. VOTE: T3

I'd need to reread to get my feelings on this one. T3 is a quiet wildcard so I'm unsure.

im lowkey just annoyed and wanna like be like "i told you so" later because im frustrated that there's so much resistance to like flowtrap + STD when i feel there is like high chance of scum there.

Wolfie is lockscum for me, ngl. That image is all the evidence needed imo. That was meant to be posted somewhere other than here, and there was no correction of the image that was supposed to be there.

Not only that, using an image? really? something editable like that is BS.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm not scum, and I'm not claiming

This is town

Its NAI at best.

I know for a fact I did not have the most votes on me last night, so yall can't say I was the easiest wagon, and Dragons was basically my counter wagon, why would I, as scum, refuse to push Dragons?

Buddies?

This is truly a remarkable performance... 10 days of game play... all for what? No one voting me thinks I'm flipping scum, no one voting STD has a legit case for that. You guys are seriously a mess. Yet I'm the chosen one to randomly yeet? oh wait... you have to be here to do that, and I'm not seeing anyone showing up in the next 5 hours.. so gg well played, time to hope town doesn't fall apart tonight, I'm so glad we're seeing stellar performances from all

I just can't fight this feeeeling any mooooore... ahv'e forgotten just why you're toooooooown

This is truly a remarkable performance... 10 days of game play... all for what? No one voting me thinks I'm flipping scum, no one voting STD has a legit case for that. You guys are seriously a mess. Yet I'm the chosen one to randomly yeet? oh wait... you have to be here to do that, and I'm not seeing anyone showing up in the next 5 hours.. so gg well played, time to hope town doesn't fall apart tonight, I'm so glad we're seeing stellar performances from all

On the bright side if no one shows up you can't be shot

I mean, I'd rather be voted out than desperado trying to be the hero and kill me, Like, I recently subbed in, why am I the one taking this game more seriously than those who have been here... yet I'm somehow still scumread by people... ahhhhh

Because I did the same recently, I subbed into a scummy af slot and saved it by... not this. Not by shading most folk in the game, crying out for town when we still have >2 hours at this point when most have said they will be around. Some folk have lives ya know.

I already explained my scumread on T3. And t3 has yet to defend, sad!. So I am not sheeping or voting just for an elim. Andante is most likely town. VOTE: T3

I'd need to reread to get my feelings on this one. T3 is a quiet wildcard so I'm unsure.

im lowkey just annoyed and wanna like be like "i told you so" later because im frustrated that there's so much resistance to like flowtrap + STD when i feel there is like high chance of scum there.

Wolfie is lockscum for me, ngl. That image is all the evidence needed imo. That was meant to be posted somewhere other than here, and there was no correction of the image that was supposed to be there.

Not only that, using an image? really? something editable like that is BS.

[Flea The Magician]

That was meant to be posted somewhere other than here, and there was no correction of the image that was supposed to be there.

Hey sCUm BUddIEs here ARe my rEAds on tHE gAme

SMH I quadruple check if I'm posting in the scum thread when I'm scum; 0 chance I make that mistake

A random shade appeared.

Flea used Dark Laugh.

A random shade was dismissed.

Flea gaines 12XP points.
Learned Single Tech: VOTE: Vote: flow trap
Learned Town Tech: Yeet Scum

[Flea The Magician]

That was meant to be posted somewhere other than here, and there was no correction of the image that was supposed to be there.

Hey sCUm BUddIEs here ARe my rEAds on tHE gAme

SMH I quadruple check if I'm posting in the scum thread when I'm scum; 0 chance I make that mistake

A random shade appeared.

Flea used Dark Laugh.

A random shade was dismissed.

Flea gaines 12XP points.
Learned Single Tech: VOTE: Vote: flow trap
Learned Town Tech: Yeet Scum

ChAOs, Is thE Only trUE pAth tO hAppInEss. NOw, wOUld yOU lIkE A sAndwIch?

Tuna and cucumber please, and only the truely chaotic see the truth in my signature, which you evidently don't

[Flea The Magician]

im lowkey just annoyed and wanna like be like "i told you so" later because im frustrated that there's so much resistance to like flowtrap + STD when i feel there is like high chance of scum there.

There is not "so much resistance" there just isn't that much momentum cause you're not explaining anything

lol themore you speak, the townier I feel you are, like, literally, I'm the only resistance to anything.. I woke up to a bunch of votes on me cause "deadline is soon" this feels more like half the table doesn't really care to read, and is sheeping whatever case is the best case presented

yeah you're literally resisting

E V E R Y T H I N G

we can flash wagon DMG i think theyve been conveniently AFK

Ah yes, conveneiently AFK on a weekend... c'mon Koba you're better than that.

we need 8 votes in 4 hours... Grandpa, shhhhh Koba might vote DMG... don't anger Koba yet.... we need their vote!!

eh i just want to hear from ppl like dmg. i want to see their reaction. i rather vote t3 then dmg hoenestly

Ditto, I'm warming to them and I wouldn't mind another day to get them properly sorted.

remember how i said i was fine with nolim because we have evens?

yeah that still applies.

yeah, no elim, desperado and scum shoot and we're back on even...

look at you softing shhh

Midnight desperado who? idk how Grandpa died n1.... shhhhhhh

okay at this point, i think im dying night one lmfao so i wanna continue my legacy for a sec.


town i think we win by this gamesolve voting pattern T3 >>> Flea >>> Not Mafia >>> DMG >>> Yessir >>> STD >>> Art

I think there is scum between DMG and Yessir.

This assumes Koba, Flow, Andante, and Moz are town.

So your pan is yeet town before scum, noted.

uhhh flea, is Koba wolfie?

"Wolfie is lockscum for me, ngl."

Flowtrap.

Some folk have lives ya know.

Having a life must be nice. I spend mine living and breathing finding scum.

Well I spent the afternoon saving some baby Growlithe from Team Dusk in Pokémon TableTop Universe. Of course, I end up with the Naughty one joining me. I have a level 1, growlithe pupper with FlashFire ability... as a Hex Maniac trainer class with Will-o-Wisp. I don't think the DM realises what she did.

[Flea The Magician]

Glad I'm getting no response on the main/maybe only thing on me

Happens too often sadly, I catch something and drive something, if it goes its a bad lim, if it doesn't, well then I found scum #SelfMeta

[Flea The Magician]

Well I spent the afternoon saving some baby Growlithe from Team Dusk in Pokémon TableTop Universe. Of course, I end up with the Naughty one joining me. I have a level 1, growlithe pupper with FlashFire ability... as a Hex Maniac trainer class with Will-o-Wisp. I don't think the DM realises what she did.

ooh nice!! I've been playing fetch with my pupper, it has no abilities other than Bite... just been waiting for this deadline lol (I don't see 8 votes at the end of this happening)

Thing is I will-o-wisp my pupper and it gains +5 damage, that's just mean. sure I can do it twice per scene but still...

[Flea The Magician]

Flea, thoughts on T3?

Working through them while Minecraft loads.


You can only claim your final PM apparently

[Flea The Magician]

OK so T3 has done exactly what they accused me of, lots of noise, no content, I was warming on their predesser.

Intent to hammer

[Flea The Magician]

Waiting on claim.

pedit: is it? I'll go check.

[Flea The Magician]

Waiting on claim.

pedit: is it? I'll go check.

it's E2 grandpa lied about VC

Gramps VC is freaking awful, ngl.

ok so...

Andante	NDMath, Yessiree, T3
Save the Dragons	VFP,
flow trap	Dark Magician Girl, Flea the Magician,
Dark Magician Girl	DkKoba,
Artemiana	mozamis
T3	flow trap, GrandpaMo, Artemiana, Save the Dragons, Not_Mafia,Andante,
No Vote

This *should* be accurate. On the up side, it has every player on it

[Flea The Magician]

I have reservations about this, as my strongest scumread is currently at the lead of the wagon, while T3 is only a SL... we do need an elimination though....

blegh.

T3

for e-1

Going to keep watch and see what comes of this ISO

[Flea The Magician]

yeah its gotta be done...

VOTE: T3

[Flea The Magician]

damn dirty busser.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: flea

sheeping the dead

I actually approve of this

VOTE: Flea

Why?

---

So, desperado shot... and scum either shot the desperado or Gramps... or holstered

That seems weird af to me, ngl.

[Flea The Magician]

oh wait, its 3am and I crossed wires on desperado, ignore that last bit.

[Flea The Magician]

Sheeping the sheeper for now. Gonna take a closer look when I get a chance.

That is... stupid.

best defense 2021: i'm town

you guys limmed this?

You monsters

This is a type of post scum make a lot post-hammer.
VOTE: yessiree

this is also stupid...

I am more than happy to VOTE: Yeet The Dragons

[Flea The Magician]

Sheeping the sheeper for now. Gonna take a closer look when I get a chance.

That is... stupid.

best defense 2021: i'm town

you guys limmed this?

You monsters

This is a type of post scum make a lot post-hammer.
VOTE: yessiree

this is also stupid...

I am more than happy to VOTE: Yeet The Dragons

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Part Wolf

Simple question needs a simple answer, you not cooperating is not in your favour.

Why don't

you

show

your

working?

[Flea The Magician]

Again if it was for mafia chat, I wouldn't need to have the Town/Scum dimension

actually you would to show where your "reads" are to your buddies, or it could be group reading of where to push.

Either way, for something you've evidently put effort into, in removable content I might add, that wasn't meant to be in thi thread... You're scum who slipped up a plan or someone who enjoys using their lower passages to speak.

[Flea The Magician]

There I made a chart

Why is conftown Chaotic Evil?

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Part Wolf

Simple question needs a simple answer, you not cooperating is not in your favour.

Why don't

you

show

your

working?

Where?

You top 3 off wagon reads, I don't recall seeing them.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Roberto

Sorry but your votes are literally just as bad as the ones you're attacking.

[Flea The Magician]

heads up folks, pain flaring and MH drop. If I get flakey, theres your reason. I'll be staying within prod limits though

[Flea The Magician]

wow I'm 11 pages behind and not in good headspace... catchup might take a while.

[Flea The Magician]

Guess I lied about the prod.

OK lets do this, a verse a post.

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: Use your mind

VOTE: Roberto

Sorry but your votes are literally just as bad as the ones you're attacking.

Are you saying yessirree is town?

Loaded but I wanna see where you're going with this. Not nessessarily.

robert do you have reads yet

No, I'm still trying to find my way in the social gamescape. Are you in a rush? Am I so good a player that you're all waiting to sheep me? Or are you scumbags trying to save yessirree?

None of the above, it's annoying but when people can't read a player they insist said player produces a readslist. It quickly became policy that I will not produce a readslist on demand because people cannot read me.

I fail to see how you being more scummy than Yes means that Yes is towny?

Also, I've already explained that I don't just defend my TRs and Attack my SRs

Do you consider yourself a smart/clever player?

Unfortunately for you, I'm a Marth main on smash bros, and I know how to use a shield breaker combo

I fail to see how you being more scummy than Yes means that Yes is towny?

Also, I've already explained that I don't just defend my TRs and Attack my SRs

Do you consider yourself a smart/clever player?

Do you plan on asking these "questions" the entire game?

Apparently Flow is a Fox main.

awww my magic trick didn't work while I was out. I guess it's cause Flea is the magician here. not me.

VOTE: DMG

<3

gang gang it’s 7am... time to get to work!!

timestamp says 2pm

Spoiler: and you can leave the flesh dimensions behind!

This game seems totally directionless. Everyone is adrift.

Best thing you've said yet.

Im annoyed my most confident townread got limmed d1 because no one would listen to me so yeah im coming at anyone who hard pushed that wagon

I would consider the possibility that this is an informed player who white knighted a townie, and knows that the wagon consists mostly of townies.

Standard Koba tbh.

If we were on odds i would hammer but since we can afford to no lim i will do just that and force it unless someone else feels strongly enough to hammer

Announcing a refusal to hammer a townie seems pretty bold. Mafia virtue-signalling? It's a bit over the top, personally I wouldn't do that because I'd start to think that maybe I'm wrong since everyone else wants that player eliminated.

We've a werid number of players, some prefer the early no lim, personally I'm against D1 no lim as I prefer it saved for later.

I'll be back in about 3 hours.

Wow ran outta supplies that quickly huh?

Spoiler: Sanity will be the toll

I think I'm going to put Flow into the same group as DK.
Ignore them until they say something worth reading.

Robert isn't a bad lim here.
Also maybe ND, but I'm not sure if I have enough scum vibes to lim here.

I wanted the DGM wagon to be a thing to see how people reacted but sadly that was ruined.

I'm feeling this, I'm townleaning DMG currently though.

I think I'm going to put Flow into the same group as DK.
Ignore them until they say something worth reading.

Robert isn't a bad lim here.
Also maybe ND, but I'm not sure if I have enough scum vibes to lim here.

I wanted the DGM wagon to be a thing to see how people reacted but sadly that was ruined.

This is mediocre

and this is disappointing, whats wrong with it?

I think I'm going to put Flow into the same group as DK.
Ignore them until they say something worth reading.

^ Flow has definitely provided a lot of content, categorize it as you wish. I think flow has said stuff worth reading. Especially around the Grandpa time

Robert isn't a bad lim here.
Also maybe ND, but I'm not sure if I have enough scum vibes to lim here.

^Coming in and saying this... Seems like the easy way out, "Yeah the non active one is my top sr, and maybe this person no one has really fossed yet, but I'm not gonna say why I sr ND"

I wanted the DGM wagon to be a thing to see how people reacted but sadly that was ruined.

^ wanting a wagon not cause you actually sr someone??



yeah this post is really bad if you really look at it tbh

Flow has been - at best - spammy during D2.
This is standard VFP from what I recall, brief summary of what they're thinking.
Wagonomics is a thing that people use. see how a wagon forms, what builds up around them and adjust reads accordingly.

Anyone else feeling the vibe being weird between Andante and Flow? :/

Spoiler: Leading to the core of your soul!

VOTE: Yessiree

A vote from the Abyss...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

dragons, why yesireeeeee?

... with 2 odd reactions given VFP's post.

cuz fuck if i know who the scum are

haha I love this response

Glad you do cause I don't. None of us know who scum are lets face it. Because even those who are confident can't say they do, and the scum certainly aren't going to say they do. There's openwolfing then there's that.

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: We are the power inside!

so is consensus that im basically clear here?

does anyone else get bad vibes from this?

holy smeg actual content on page 68...
I need to go back over it, but for now, no.
One thing worrying me is TownKoba usually whines a little D1 about how they're always the N1 kill, that hasn't happened and Koba hasn't been killed.

i liked Koba D1 so i wrote them off as townie but now i'm not so sure i think robert may be onto something

But then we have this. and I blegh.

(almost) No content on 68, double page spoiler

I'm gonna be so biased on my read on Koba, it's why I'm not pushing them. We got off on the wrong foot, and it's just really annoying to me for someone to go "I know who andante was on epicmafia, I know meta" like, so what?? EM forum maf was a lot faster paced... none of this 10 day days... my old identity is dead anyways, just gets annoying when people start saying stuff when they're 100% wrong on it too, like, I'm not flipping scum no matter what koba says :/ I'll just drop it though

I like this genuinity (Is that a word? If not, it's Flea language now.)

Deadline: 4 days, 6 hours, 20 minutes.


friends... 4 days left... uhhh we need a direction to go lmao I don't think we've heard from Art or DMG today, and Robert hasn't been too helpful. Like, I sred DMG's d1, but ideally I give them a chance to defend, but like, there's 2 of them (I think they said that) and neither can be here?? interesting

Yeah they were a hydra.

Dragon name & Dragon Profile are TRing each other, is this some kind of subconscious bias

dragons can read each other so easily... we just know

So can magical beings. Sadly I'm Fae and not technically magical but inherently magical

Duckduckgo search: How to get a dragon personality added to your system

Duckduckgo answer: Befriend a dragon, and your personality will become more and more like a dragon

OK ngl this caused a wrench in my gut xD also I know a system with 2 dragons My smol's are the only ones who can get away with booping the grumpy one xD

I like Robert's content

Not the amount though

I honestly fully disagree currently.

Spoiler: We bring you fantasy!

The nightkill townread me too so your vote is hella sus.

Which I wouldn't be surprised for that to be inside your scumrange.

if they were obvtown they wouldn't have gotten lim'd

Bullshit.
I have been obvtown limmed previously as a deadline approaching wagon and even self-hammered to secure the elimination. Information is precious, and subtley more so.

Joy

fam so much is happening right now and I'm like stressed/mad :/ it sucks... I wanna go back to the jokes 2 hours ago

ngl that was frustrating to read. I'm something like 15 pages behind and as you can tell, I don't skim my catchups.

Spoiler: We are the Kingdom of Light and Dreams!

I doubt anyone else is desparado and thats all ill say bc rules

Evasive much. The deduction process is public, you just can't declare your N0 choices.

I was offering several alternatives approaching the deadline and yall "settled" there.
How about yall chase the conveniently afk ppl who parked there?

C'mon then Koba, you're unusually settled for this game, have at them.

VOTE: Arte

I genuinely hate your naked voting. Amma need to get a wall to hide behind, I don't wanna see the nekkid.

I like Robert's content

Not the amount though

I'm back! The amount would be greater if you guys got a room and I didn't have to through through 7 pages of lovers' cooing and prattle each time I show up.

This is a fuckin mood.

can we get a readslist from you?

Ew.

Spoiler: Gnosis and life!

I just kinda laugh, like, Not_Mafia is more townread than me here?

Lurkers are often null read by default, and slip by because it's hard to go against someone who doesn't respond. Scum will exploit this on purpose... or because they are demotivated and prefer to play town like most players.

Incorrect, Lurkers start to slide to scum as play progresses, the reason being they're unable to be read and so the consideration has to be are they scum attempting to stay off the radar and deserve to have suspicions upon them.

Spoiler: AAAAVANTAAASSSSIAAAAAAAA!

RIP DMG was having fun with you both.

Almost50 replaces Dark Magician Girl, please welcome them!

Oh good someone I can sort Welcome aboard A50

<3

if you keep talking to yourself I'm voting you right here on the spot... your slot is a scummy one...

*Monches popcorn*

Spoiler: *repeat*

Do you realize how boring it is to read when you don't even know what you're looking for? I needed a SCUM FLIP. I got to page 9 and I feel like NOTHING has registered to my mind.

Can someone point me to where cases were made and/or

serious readlists

were posted?

A50 Town.

MathBlade replaces Artemiana, please welcome them!

Aww feck xD now I know I really need to pay attention here

<3

Not much to say right now.
I don't think T3's vote is scum-indicative; we need to get an elim in.

Andante technically should be roleclaiming but I struggle to see it mattering.

I don’t like this post. Assuming Andante is town, NDMath is kinda putting out a hopeless vibe. He should have either been wagoning or pushing Andante harder or trying to find someone else who could have been elimmed. The shade of T3 is also horrible.

VOTE: NDMath

*agreement*

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: Walking along the icy gallery of pain.

And hello A50, I was TRing your slot too.

This fails the vibe check.

I've just read pages 1-4 and I don't see anything AI. I did realize N_M got NK'd on N1 though and that makes me both sad and angry.

Hold on, ya didn't do the *1-in-3-rule*? Getting sloppy or getting a red role PM hmmm?

So everyone is scum, yes?

I've just read pages 1-4 and I don't see anything AI. I did realize N_M got NK'd on N1 though and that makes me both sad and angry.

Hold on, ya didn't do the *1-in-3-rule*? Getting sloppy or getting a red role PM hmmm?

I don't see the relevance of the rule of 3 here?

*back from lunch break*

Who is scum?

just look at your role PM

What are your reads?

I don't do explosive-diarrhoea-style read walls, it's just not how I roll. I give them out in bids n pieces

Moonlogic. It’s awesome. (Translation I already explained a bit and a mix of that and vibes)

You explained? All I could find was you saying ND/flow/yess could be a team, and asking if ND could be bussing me. Am i missing something?

1) I did. There’s no scum. Maybe you should check yours and just tell me who. Chainsaws like this are dumb.
You’re not even voting me.

2) I didn’t ask for a read wall just reads. That’s a misrep and an attempt to dodge. Give us something to show you pretend to care. I mean if you can’t then more power to us that you scumclaim.

3) The explanation is that I think ND is scum. ND isn’t pushing you and just defended himself rather than pushing a scumread.

Math Town.

Spoiler: Tell me now: What can keep the flame alive?

Because your reads are shit?

Help me “bus” yes then or explain. (Bus is in quotes as I can’t bus)

If I had two votes I would be voting ND and Yes but alas I do not.

w o w, has McToughGuy entered the building?

You should look in a mirror, tough guy, because that's what I think about your "reads" (reads is in quotes since they're fake reads).

You picked one post from NDMath yesterday as the sole basis for your scumread on him, one vote from him on me as your sole basis of his "bus" and then picked 2 other players to be in your poe pool that were generally already been scumread by other slots. Seems to me you just faked a bunch of low quality reads devoid of any deeper thought process.

There, that's one of my reads. I've met my quota for the weekend, boss. Now if you'll excuse me...

Aaaaaand you're scum. Thanks for the claim.

Any parts you wanna recommend?

A juicy, fatty, salty turkey leg with a big ol' bone to hold onto is where it's at. You're allowed to eat it with your hands which is a huge bonus plus the dark meat tends to be the tastiest part of the bird. The only drawback here is all the annoying tendons in a turkey leg.

... Either you're changing your meta up or you're town lol.

Spoiler: Lack of imagination - raising up the tower

Because your reads are shit?

Help me “bus” yes then or explain. (Bus is in quotes as I can’t bus)

If I had two votes I would be voting ND and Yes but alas I do not.

w o w, has McToughGuy entered the building?

You should look in a mirror, tough guy, because that's what I think about your "reads" (reads is in quotes since they're fake reads).

You picked one post from NDMath yesterday as the sole basis for your scumread on him, one vote from him on me as your sole basis of his "bus" and then picked 2 other players to be in your poe pool that were generally already been scumread by other slots. Seems to me you just faked a bunch of low quality reads devoid of any deeper thought process.

There, that's one of my reads. I've met my quota for the weekend, boss. Now if you'll excuse me...

VOTE: yessiree

I can no longer suffer this scum to live another day.

Annoyingly I'm SR'ing you both to a degree but this tells me unaligned.

Where is this claim?

Cause I am FN

This is where I saw it. I'm not sure if Flow claimed before or not though.

I breadcrumbed it, I think in round 1

Thing with crumbs is you tend to have to show them.

Thing is, RVS is crucial and I know a lot of good players will base their early reads based on players entries.

For me, I'm always scummy on them when I'm late

VOTE: Dark Magical Girl anyway. There can only be one magician!

I don’t like this vote early. Especially if flow is scum. Flow isn’t worth a push today due to the FN claim but if they don’t confirm themselves by day before Elo flow’s worth revisiting.

How are these two connected 3.14?

Thing is, RVS is crucial and I know a lot of good players will base their early reads based on players entries.

For me, I'm always scummy on them when I'm late

VOTE: Dark Magical Girl anyway. There can only be one magician!

is that so? I guess we are gonna have to die then cause there's two of us just on this account

Is Dark Matter Girl a hydra or a person with multiples? (I think that’s the right term if not apologies) it matters for how I tone read them.

Hydra, and Plurality or System tends to be the terms used

Paused on where Koba claimed PR. There have been multiple softs/claims of PR from N1 during my skim. Pretty confused why the N1 shot died unless they thought he was going to heal A. So A is lock town.

Since Koba and Flow and A are all claimed to be/are combinations of PR/likely/conf town that means an elim there isn’t beneficial. Gonna seem like a game of chess.

My understanding is that scum can select a role too. Technically all the OG players know who is a PR and who is not, as they know who they charged.

Spoiler: Where they hold our souls

Math has until tomorrow to vote properly!

Ew. Again.

Why do you tease me so? Why do you make me SR you, crawl back to TL and just slam yourself back?

Math has until tomorrow to vote properly!

Ooh yes. Threaten me rather than explain your reads. That will clearly get me to townread you /s

*snerks*

Prodding Flea The Magician

Meanie.

Spoiler: To take away our power...

Yessiree (3): NDMath, Robert M Hunter, Save The Dragons

This is what a scum wagon looks like.

Elaborate.

A50 is DMG.
Math is Art.

Art seemed pretty town.
DGM was town but I had pings from it.

If A50 is scum, I'm sure it show. Completed game of A50 scum he didn't do anything and apparently is just his meta as scum.

Elaborate on Art Town.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Yessiree

[Flea The Magician]

(Reason in

Tell me now: What can keep the flame alive?

)

[Flea The Magician]

Because I am on mobile 1984 from Flea is pretty much how to town and is so against faer scum meta if faer is scum I will literally scream into the void.

No one touches faer please? K thanks.

If anything it's NAI I've pulled this and better as scum.

[Flea The Magician]

You were lurk sacky AF in the schadd game and I don’t remember a single read wall lol.

Maybe I am a bit tired from my cold but I don’t think you try hard as scum.

Care to show me a counter example faer?

Silent Star 3, my D1 play.

[Flea The Magician]

I've been kinda site-wide lurky lately as my overall health and life circumstances have been taking a swing downwards, I am capable of high-efforting scum and honestly I'm quite proud of my scumrange

Robert, because I'm supposedly wrong on 1 read, how does it make ALL my reads wrong? That feels like just dismissing for the sake of it. Also makes me think I'm on to something

[Flea The Magician]

Eh, I know you're town fwiw.

[Flea The Magician]

coffee addicts are mafia. it's a proven fact!

Hard Claim: Barista

And I'm one of those barista where you come at me telling me you know nothing about coffee, you walk away with a new favourite.


oooo An idea appears.

[Flea The Magician]

Oh gods ya'll got busy.

V/LA today, will catchup tomorrow.

[Flea The Magician]

Jeeze another 5 pages on top... ok...

This needs my entire damned day apparently...

What song do I use....

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: Boys and girls of every age,

mathblade and I are clear ty

VOTE: dkkoba

I'm 1-Shot Watcher, koba was the only visitor lol.

I'd imagine that {Robert, Yes, Flea} is the gamewinning poe since two bussers could have easily instead got yes or me elim'd yesterday.

No opinion on associatives? Instead of "these people TR'd the scumz and HARDBUSSED TO THE NINTH LAYER OF THE INFERNAL DAMNATION THAT IS HELL." that is...

Why do you think scum!Koba tries to clear me out of the gate as scum?

Neither strategy makes sense for scum.

ND fake claiming a guilty on Koba seems dumb because we elim them the next day.
Koba faking a inno on me seems dumb when we said watchers on flow.

I just think Kona’s better than that. So I am confused.

From my own play as scum you don't clear Math as scum, a clear Math is a dangerous Math.

mathblade and I are clear ty

VOTE: dkkoba

I'm 1-Shot Watcher, koba was the only visitor lol.

I'd imagine that {Robert, Yes, Flea} is the gamewinning poe since two bussers could have easily instead got yes or me elim'd yesterday.

I would pick yes here if you’re town and Koba is scum and failing that Robert.

I don’t see Flea as scum here and Flea plus Koba would be better mechanically than to kill flow.

I dunno, honestly I can see me and Koba conflicting a little too much on kills. I like the principal of chaos and madness where Koba strikes me more as a WIFOM/Mech killer.

I'm desperadoing blade tonight

This is a bad idea.

Spoiler: Wouldn't you like to see something strange?

oh wait mathblade, you totally forgot, i'm totally the one leading the kill here as scum!!

yes 100%


me over anyone else here that is my theoretical scum partner here.

i cant believe you didnt have doubt over this claim and rather just immediately went into "what if this is svs?"

I did and still do actually.

I said either neither made sense.

Koba claim

that can be a surprise later - if you're gonna rush my elimination here then you're playing anti-town because we ASBSOLUTELY should take the time to talk when we have a nice old 50/50 going on here.

also my claim doesnt matter here - its either me or ndmath. im not gonna pretend like you think a claim is gonna make me more "credible" when scum were able to easily get their own PR roles clearly

I hate this.. it's standard Koba play, it's NAI, but I still hate it.

Spoiler: Come with us and you will see

who's my partner?

I was at Robert>Yes>Flea but Robert's voted you already so it's probably yessiree like andante is saying.
It doesn't make sense to be anyone on wagon since then you could have easily stopped A50's wagon.

nahh but ndmath really thought that he could frame me as:

leading kill

killing flow trap

not killing mathblade

like no?

Hey you're writing the argument for me.

Hmmmm....

ndmath immediately opening with a guilty is already scum indicative - town ndmath 100% hides the result and waits.


so yesiree is spewed town from this ->mathblade is town bc being leading vote on a50 wagon->andante also similarly double clear from notmafia desperado+d2 push onto a50+being pushed by ndmath d1->vfp very likely town for voting ndmath counterwagon while it was hot.

Not seeing how Yes is TS'd.

we can really like abandon the deepwolf idea, like i said, scum nd throwing themselves into the townblock = them keeping PoE further open.

it means the PoE is effective atm and we should be following it.

I don’t ever abandon a deep wolf idea sorry. Not my style

Tis true. If math doesn't suspect a deepwolf he's prolly scumz

I probably die tonight if Koba is scum

not the cleared watcher? OH WAIT!!! MY DESPERADO KILL!!!!

what watcher is cleared?

They will be tonight if they're right...
I don't like the odds on them being right.

Spoiler: This, our town of Halloween!

imma reread flea too

*Hands over some popcorn*

see yall on D4. I'm done here

Byeeee!

NDmath>Robert>STD should win the game no matter what

I think robert is the most incriminated based on how shitty their progression is on their partner, as soon as I'm pushing ND, robert popped in and tried to shade me, forgetting they were agreeing with my worldview just a few posts ago.

For me is the attempted attack on me, it's the tell of someone who hasn't played with me before and I find it SAI

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: This is Halloween! This is Halloween!

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Spoiler: Pumpkins scream in the dead of night!

i mean if town wants to be smart they can elim ndmath first - its a trade off either way, and nd already claimed 1 shot so not like u expect them to give more results.

OK straight up I think NDMath is the elim here. They've never quite reached TL territory for me while I've been strongly TR'ing Koba.
If they flip red, bonus, if they flip green, we should consider Koba.

From experience Hardbussing an inactive slot works freaking wonders. Remember Election Mafia, Math?

Spoiler: This is halloween! Everybody make a scene!

It’s unlikely. I feel that’s all I can say within the rules. Possible yes probable no.
And if you are you just die.

Because if I die and a scum NK then you’re a scum desperado confirmed which solves my problem.
Or you’re town desperado being very anti town arguing against solving the PoE and attacking one of the few players attempting a solve which means you’ll die
Or you’re lying scum and not desperado which is literally not a problem because you’ll never be able to prove yourself so you’ll be elimmed eventually.

So I give zero fucks other than it adds to my suspicion of you.

A deperado shot cannot be faked by scum at least, so there absolutely needs to be 2 kills tonight, and one of them needs to be Math or Andragon.

VOTE: DkKoba

I'll trade if ND is scum.
Dk is always the lim today but get anything.you need to off you're chests.

i mean do u townread me or do u townread ND - this is the question here.

there is no need to waste an elim on a floundering slot who decided to try to take me down with them since ive been pushing them since early on and already cased them based on the depth of their reads.

Before today you're town over ND.
However, I will always trade a town for scum in claims that aren't required. So I'm probably not the best person to try and convince here.

ND has no reason to call you out in particular. Its obvious that they are a Watcher (or if scum the team have a watcher). Unless CC I have lack of reason to dis believe it other than suspected to be the lim today. But that's down to end of comments yesterday.

I'll give the day a re read tomorrow though and see from there.

i mean like its clear what scum are trying to do and we can prevent them from widening PoE like they want to and keep it as narrow as we can lol

Like we needed more Koba Town proof.

Oh gods ya'll got busy.

V/LA today, will catchup tomorrow.

Hi me.

Am hoping to get thoughts from Yes and flea on koba/me since that's gonna be the most telling information in terms of partner.


@Andante Remind me why you don't think flea is the last scum? Looking at their iso they've been townreading A50/DMG since forever and had weird thoughts on koba. Particularly the thoughts in 1985 when flea had also sheeped koba multiple times earlier on. I also still don't understand their flowtrap tunnel.

A Mafia member can not perform a Nightkill and another action at the same Night.

This probably explains why koba was committing the kill actually.

Will come back to this later.

it's not like you get to call our shots....

I don't see any shot calling here, your defensivness isnt sitting well with me. While you're a

likely

desperado shot... I starting to get sus :/

Spoiler: Trick or treat till the neighbours gunna die of fright!

Also word of warning I am extremely disappointed and dysphoric due to something outside this game so if I take it out on you I am sorry.

*much much hugs*

Spoiler: It's our town! Everybody scream!

you keep saying this... there's literally no guarantee we have a watcher

If me and Dk are scum together then ND is 100% a Watcher.

If I were scum I would have killed Flow for the record.
Mainly to see if it clears not having a Watcher to use as an advantage.
If Dk said no to me in scum chat I'd call them chicken and they would go along with it.
This would have back fired on us, but in the long run we tried a risky play.

It is actually highly likely that me and Dk are scum buddies here. I will be willing to sacrifice my buddy before me as well.

I meant it like, maf don't know for sure if there's a watcher, so they can easily just hit flow... Blade is acting like maf knew for sure there was one

This is a blatant misrep.

What I am saying is that multiple players all of whom cannot be scum suggested to watch flow.

That means that it is likely scum would not kill flow. The fact they did means either no watcher or planned substandard kill. Considering they just lost A50 the first is more likely.

I'm confused by what you mean by no watcher. If I were a scumwatcher there would still be the possibility of a town watcher.

I am kinda wanting to elim ND because Koba’s really seeming to wim than ND

I'm obviously biased but I don't see much impressive.
They're just omgusing Robert while acting like they're open-minded about it, and making questionable arguments that they[koba] are town.

I think scum would redirect flow onto themselves or flow forgot.

The reason being is that if they have flow eat the message if someone was a jailkeeper or roleblocker or doctor that saved flow then flow still looks bad. That’s my hunch. Admittedly can’t prove it as no access to scum PT but redirect flow to himself makes sense

Though they really should have just let flow send the message. Flow was obvTown anyway damage minimal.

There was only one visitor on flow, their message could not have been redirected.
And having one scum kill and another redirect that same player is a horrible mech play.

thinking out loud here

the watcher claim by scum!ND seems dangerous because if there's a(nother) watcher they'd be on flow, they'd be able to say they didn't see ND on flow thus proving ND a liar pretty quick. that makes me think scum or town, ND is a watcher and probably watched flow last night.

if scum have a redirector and used it on flow to gain his message, then it's ND as a watcher so the other scum would be a redirector. i'm having trouble seeing them not just redirecting to scum and letting flow take heat for the message.

they'd have to know not_mafia was a desparado though to redirect his target from Andante to some one else. that seems rather unlikely, and it seems unlikely that N_M killed desparado'd someone else on purpose, so i think Andante is pretty safe for me.

i don't find the scum redirector theory very likely at this juncture

Same point as above, having two scum visit the kill is a highly risky play and should be apparent as not the case with the speed I claimed the watcher result.

robert do you have any thoughts besides voting koba

Yeah

I have no idea what's happening with redirectors and all that mechanical stuff, I need it explained slowly.

Ignoring the mech stuff, what are those thoughts?

Anyone else think this is a scumspew?

i think mostly i'm curious about the lack of message at this point. A redirector could explain it but seems highly unlikely.

i'm a little surprised andante didn't get the message, tbh, based on their rapport, but if flow thought andante might die, he might have picked a different target.

@Flea, @yes, did you get a message last night from flow?

I would've claimed it in my first post given the death.

I think flow targetted scum. which honestly would be either Flow targetted Andragon or Koba, I'd need to go look for crumbs.

yay tinfoiling -.-;

Spoiler: In this town of Halloween!

I received a belated message from the mod that Flow Trap is town.

Well there goes my theory, still gunna crumb hunt.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Charge_Me_Up!

im looking at the wiki for this setup specifically

To be clear the wiki interpretation would win here.
So now that that’s straight.

Let’s probably elim Koba who flips town.
Then Andraste shoots ND or it’s a scum claim
Then we elim ND/Andraste

Or Koba is scum and this is literally all spew and go back to sorting if ND is genuine or if this is a gambit or wth happened.

This is the math I know and love.

[Flea The Magician]

That's all for now on catchup...

Am hoping to get thoughts from Yes and flea on koba/me since that's gonna be the most telling information in terms of partner.


@Andante Remind me why you don't think flea is the last scum? Looking at their iso they've been townreading A50/DMG since forever and had weird thoughts on koba. Particularly the thoughts in 1985 when flea had also sheeped koba multiple times earlier on. I also still don't understand their flowtrap tunnel.

A Mafia member can not perform a Nightkill and another action at the same Night.

This probably explains why koba was committing the kill actually.

OK so 1) Its evident you're scumreading me, yay I love it.
2) Why? I want some meat to go with the bones at least. Give me fluff and amma yeet you, what you've given is bearly bones.
3) Convince me why to vote koba instead of just the guilty.

[Flea The Magician]

4) Why if you're so keen on me being the last scum, do you want my thoughts on this rather amusing 1vs1?

[Flea The Magician]

I'm always scum, you know this.

[Flea The Magician]

You are severely overestimating my confidence level in you being scum, and I am not sure why.

Scum reads are scum reads ^_^ Nice post though

[Flea The Magician]

I'm always scum, you know this.

Except when faer town like here.
And boooo you forgot enbies in your boys and girls line (joking teasing tone)

Its the song!

[Flea The Magician]

Hey Koba, Why do scum fakeclaim a guity on you here?

[Flea The Magician]

Like genuinely I'm seeing no benefit to the claim here, it just screws them over.

[Flea The Magician]

Like genuinely I'm seeing no benefit to the claim here, it just screws them over.

[Flea The Magician]

Hey Koba, Why do scum fakeclaim a guity on you here?

Because they were screwed otherwise

Why are they screwed? Honestly looks to me that they're more screwed for the claim.

[Flea The Magician]

I swear DK was going to have an aneurism in the dead thread xD

I can definitely forward these ideas on.

Any thoughts on the no pre-game discussion rule? It has to be in place because an honest mass claim would automatically solve the PRs and a dishonest mass claim would really narrow the pool down. But it would be nice if there was a way to make it more lenient so it doesn't fully take away that aspect of the game

Keep it, honestly. It's a potential game breaker as people can claim, claim shots, then claim who they charged and fake claimers are done. I would say submitted role could be claimable but that's it.

I did really enjoy this tbh, and I'm glad I in'd for it

[Flea The Magician]

Role assignments:

Spoiler: Order from random.org

mozamis
Dark Magician Girl
NDMath

MiniVirgo (MiniMegabyte + JacksonVirgo)
TheYankeeReaper
Save the Dragons
Green Crayons
NoPowerOverMe
Flea the Magician
Not_Mafia
Artemiana
Lukewarm
flow trap
DkKoba

DkKoba -

Commuter, Not_Mafia

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0

-

Vanilla

flow trap -

Friendly Neighbor, mozamis

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1

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1 shot Friendly Neighbor

Artemiana -

Midnight Desperado, Flea The Magician

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0

-

Vanilla

MiniVirgo -

Jailkeeper, Flea The Magician

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0

-

Vanilla

VFP

NoPowerOverMe

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Friendly Neighbor, Not_Mafia

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0

-

Vanilla

Dark Magician Girl -

Jailkeeper, mozamis

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1

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1 shot Jailkeeper

mozamis -

Tracker, NDMath

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3

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3 shot Tracker

Green Crayons -

Friendly Neighbor, Not_Mafia

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2

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2 shot Friendly Neighbor

Vanilla

Flea The Magician -

Jailkeeper, mozamis

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2

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2 shot Jailkeeper

vanilla

Lukewarm -

Rolecop, Save The Dragons

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0

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Vanilla

Yessiree

TheYankeeReaper

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Tracker, Green Crayons

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0

-

Vanilla

Not_Mafia -

Midnight Desperado, Green Crayons

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3

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3 shot Midnight Desparado

Save The Dragons -

Doctor, flow trap

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1

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1 shot Doctor

NDMath -

Watcher, Dark Magician Girl

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1

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1 shot Watcher

Question on this, how did 1 shot jailkeeper happen but not 2-shot? :/

[Flea The Magician]

Oh straight up I would've used the shots on completely the wrong people probably but still

[Flea The Magician]

Ah fair, I read it the other way around