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how was this not instantly shotIn post 28, Duchess wrote:Woohoo!
VOTE: RLotus
Why is hardly anyone putting out an RVS vote *Thinking Emoji* even if we can't vote someone out? It's never really the point of RVS to vote someone out anyway, so we can look at where people put their votes just like any other game and hopefully get some information out of that. Right now we know one person is town, but I don't think we can ever have two people alive at the same time who we know are both town. There is only one mafia kill for the whole game. We should take advantage of any sources of information we can find because there aren't a lot of the usual ones for us to use.free crypto-
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In post 38, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:The concern with voting in this setup is that the town has very little agency to begin with. Only one person has /any/ power, and we know they are town, so we should trust them to have town's back. Now, leashing shots to votes sounds great in theory. After all, it just puts us roughly at "ordinary mafia game", with a final adjudicator. In practice, however, it gives the scum team agency they shouldn't have, and takes away one major town-sided element the gunbearer gives us.
The exclusive advantage that the town has in a setup like this over an ordinary Mafia game is that it avoids the ironclad law of committees being absolute hot fucking garbage at actually performing tasks well. (This law is so ironclad that it's a major component of managerial level sabotage: you load important committees with more than IIRC 8 people, and ensure that at least one of them is dead weight, and nothing will ever get done, ever ever ever.)
Instead of /everyone/ simultaneously trying to herd cats in totally different directions oh and by the way some of the cats have rabies, you have a single point of control. No need to get everyone on the same page at all -- in fact, depending on the gunbearer, having literally no agreement could be a net benefit for sorting. (Just by way of example, I would be quite effective in a situation where every single player in the list was arguing with every single other player here.) No Abilene paradox scenarios come up here, because the gunbearer has no incentive to compromise to try and make the other players happy: if they miss their shot they're out, and if they hit then clearly they were right and it's hard to complain. They can use the rest of the town as essentially independent investigators to help them make their decisions, but they are not required to do what everyone else wants them to do.
I think we should lean into the advantage we have of a single guaranteed pro-town controller of the gamestate, even if it means the normal townies have less agency and control. In the process, we deny scum a large part (obviously not /all/, but I think /any/ advantage is important) of the only agency that they have in the setup while a gunbearer is alive: misdirecting the shot.
this isn't a great start eitherIn post 42, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:With regards to the LAMIST/scumminess of wanting to be shot or not, I feel like the specific vibe I'm getting from Wheme is less "LAMIST" and more "I am the bestest scumhunter ever!" Wanting to be the hero figure. Gloria Cleary did something similar in Death Curse, and the mistake definitely damaged town's chances at the end. People forget that there's a reason there aren't very many hero figures... Obviously there's some overlap in the general themes between "let me drive!" and "look how townie I am!", but Wheme's minimal responses and general attitude here do strongly give me the former impression. PEDIT: My opinion is not changed after the past two Wheme posts.
On the other hand, Norfolk does give me an offputting feeling, to be sure, but I can't place if it's AI or something else. Need more data.
I agree that lurkers are going to be a serious problem. I don't know if we can count on lurking being even a little bit scummy, either, because scum benefits from putting themselves in the front of the gamestate in this setup. (Yes, I'm taking into account that I'm potentially telling the scumteam how to be effective here.) It may be valuable to lean heavy on lurkers as a group effort to forcibly squeeze content out of them.free crypto-
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i'm not freaking out lol i wanted to interrogate the reasoning there if there was something to it, like i've said i've barely read and want to get a sense of what people are thinkingIn post 906, Imperium wrote:
No she didn't, don't freak out.In post 904, petapan wrote:tammy did you legitimately scumread the guy with 4 posts
When we get you shot it will be based on the merits of your own posts, not Rockhopper's.free crypto-
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is this not an immedate walkback of that rvs nonsense when questioned on it, this whole post badIn post 53, Duchess wrote:
I agree, which is why I think we should avoid overthinking and just let the gunbearer have final say and read the room based on what people naturally choose to do. I believe people will most likely use their vote almost as per the usual, as long as the host is keeping track of people's votes. However, if we dwell for too long on it, or have too many detailed posts like yours, Mushshagana, (no offense) then the mafia will have more of an idea of what to do, just as you said.In post 40, WhemeStar wrote:I don't think we should use a voting system.free crypto-
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In post 910, Imperium wrote:That was a joke.
i was serious every time i accused you of replacing into a scum slot, how rudeIn post 911, Imperium wrote:I wish people understood me
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eh, might have jumped the gun a bit, this is better, first few posts from mush were fillery but this is something, at leastIn post 77, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Well, I missed a lot while getting food together.
For Duchess: detailed posts are going to come out of me on good days, and that's just how it is. I type walls. I speak walls, too. It's a thing, and it's only going to change on real bad days. I have a bunch of those coming, so you might consider yourself lucky.
As for giving scum information: don't be concerned about that from me. I play a very subtle town game, and I often do multiple things with a single post. If I'm giving scum information it's because I have decided it is for town's benefit in some way or another. There's a whole lot of ways that can be the case, if you think about it I'm sure you can come up with a few. Past games of mine will bear this statement out.
I don't really like anything I'm seeing of Wheme so far. So, Wheme, I have a question for you. What /are/ you bringing to the table here? So far we have bad reads but wants the gun, casting entirely baseless shade on one of the few players posting anything substantive (no offense intended to the players who have not posted anything substantive, game basically just started), and shitposting. What do you have that town benefits from? Don't dodge the question or meme about it, I want an honest self-assessment. What are you actually doing in this game to help town out?free crypto-
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In post 80, SirCakez wrote:Imperium are you scum?In post 84, SirCakez wrote:
Because I don't know if you are town or scumIn post 82, Imperium wrote:But why do you ask?In post 87, SirCakez wrote:
Hm I wonderIn post 85, WhemeStar wrote:
They said they are town already why would they lieIn post 84, SirCakez wrote:
Because I don't know if you are town or scumIn post 82, Imperium wrote:But why do you ask?In post 91, SirCakez wrote:Don't think I'll be shooting Dunn this gameIn post 93, SirCakez wrote:If I don't get the gun I will be very happy with my performance this game
cakez man wtf are you doingIn post 99, SirCakez wrote:I will be keeping that close to my chest for nowfree crypto-
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what does this even mean lolIn post 105, WhemeStar wrote:
You seem to be throwing shade but trying to stay on the fence which pings me.In post 104, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:I'm making a prediction here: 3. I'll clarify that after I get an answer to the following question from Wheme:
How does it "ping" you? And in what way?free crypto-
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gonna be honest, struggle to see why a team like this gives notty the gunIn post 915, unwnd wrote:
Wheme Dunn Duchess (Rockhopper) NorfolkIn post 914, petapan wrote:anyone who's here, give me your top shot picks, any number of names, no contextfree crypto-
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oh hmmIn post 125, Netflix and Chill wrote:Assuming no secret alts?
You Cakez dunn Norfolk. The former three have seen me in pretty dead on games. Norfolk lost to town me (we were competing day one wagons and he died)free crypto-
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why's that necessarily scummy though, idgiIn post 146, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:It's not so much the commenting on each major event that bugs me there as it is the extremely rigid, strict thought processes that are described in excruciating detail. It took a while to settle on that being the issue, but it's pretty unmistakable: check how there's no simple conclusions reached, EVERYTHING has an extended, multipart thought process involved, with one exception. That exception (Dunn) is left open ended, coming to no conclusions at all.
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In post 147, Dunnstral wrote:I just noticed something interesting while looking at STT's site post history
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In post 151, Duchess wrote:Mushshagana. I don't have anything against your long-form posts. I was only concerned about having too much of a solidified plan laid out that could interfere with the normal flow of the day. On another note, regarding Whemestar, I believe you look quite trustworthy coming out of your argument, as I myself noticed a lot of what you pointed out about him.ew
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please don't advocate for yourself to be shot, i realize this is a weird setup but you need to stop doing this stuffIn post 926, Norfolk Boy1 wrote:
Easily, the best shot right now is me. I'm probably the common denominator in most peoples scumreads, so it'll confirm my alignment and then any further discussion about me is over.In post 914, petapan wrote:anyone who's here, give me your top shot picks, any number of names, no context
Personally, i'm shooting Duchess right now if I had the gun.
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this feels like it's misconstruing a noob who just wants the clear to decide, maybe i'm stuck in the epicmafia mindset a bit but i don't think it's inherently scummyIn post 170, SirCakez wrote:
Another bad Norfolk postIn post 160, Norfolk Boy1 wrote:I'm not digging ScrewTheTells jumping in and claiming it's suspicious that i'm not posting when it's Sunday night in the UK.
Anyone suggesting a committee or that votes should decide the shot is a scum candidate for me.
The only confirmed town is Netflix, so Netflix should decide.
They're basically saying don't scumhunt, it's netflix's job.free crypto-
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this reads like someone who's trying to win a debate not scumhuntIn post 211, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:You still insist I was trying to interfere with your questioning, and still I cannot possibly see how I /could/ interfere with it or why I would /want/ to. You make no explanation of how it disrupts, you just assert that it does.
You call me condescending and abrasive, but looking back, I see you are the one who stoops to appeal to ridicule for no visible reason.
The repeated and pointless attacks on my character are noted. Your assertion that I am specifically disrupting you without evidence or explanation is also noted. Your attribution of thought patterns to me even though I have said nothing to support them is noted.
Would you like to add anything else while you're at it?free crypto-
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not surprised by this in the leastIn post 941, SirCakez wrote:Not loving the Peta entrancefree crypto-
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how did you have a townread on rockhopper? i'm honestly concerned by anyone claiming to have any kind of a read on what little he posted
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i don't see why that's a town post at all. it's just a bunch of votesIn post 992, WhemeStar wrote:In post 685, WhemeStar wrote:
Looking back on this, does scum make this post?In post 191, Rockhopper wrote:VOTE: ScrewTheTells
VOTE: Norfolk boy
VOTE: Not_Mafia
VOTE: SirCakez
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you should know better than to think scum are always going to pick an easy targetIn post 997, unwnd wrote:The problem relies on the fact whether you believe STT thinks it's worthwhile to push someone like MUSH because let me be honest, there's a reason (no offense MUSH) most people do not respond to her walls. Why not pick an easier target instead of engaging yourself with a possible conundrum. This is not the basis of liking STT, rather there's just a lot of headway given.
what makes you say thisIn post 1004, ScrewTheTells wrote:At least Lotus should have some good targets.free crypto-
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the guy selfhammered as town in the game i played with him because he didn't feel he'd be able to get suspicion off his slot, play is entirely consistent with someone playing for the first time outside the newbie queue and is probably a bit overwhelmed, not really scummyIn post 1004, ScrewTheTells wrote:Speaking of LAMIST, there's our OG:
I almost thought that this guy was no longer that scummy compared to other people after the first several pages. After all I agree with Imperium's objective point that the Norfolk wagon in the first few pages was based on very circumstantial evidence. But like, every Norfolk post I see just keeps reminding me that this guy probably isn't town? Right? Both our heads think so and it seems like other players do too so we're not crazy here right? Why don't people wanna shoot this guy again?In post 926, Norfolk Boy1 wrote:Easily, the best shot right now is me. I'm probably the common denominator in most peoples scumreads, so it'll confirm my alignment and then any further discussion about me is over.
i'm still catching up so i don't have a full picture of the game but i get a sense a lot of people were gravitating toward pushing norfolk and my slot, those being the two least active players in the game, and i know this is at least 50% wrong and incredibly lazy, and i can't help but feel these are slots scum would gravitate toward pushing given the gamestate. i'm not saying inactive slots have to be town but in general if people are going to push there i'd expect a solid process of elimnation reasoning based on having a number of townreads elsewhere, and that's NOT the sense i am getting from the people who are active right now. the situation reminds me a bit of the ampharos situation in black flag, she was by far the least active player in an extremely hyperposting game who eventually flaked, my teammates suspected her but on content i didn't think her scummy and my read was that given the gamestate scum would want to try to push an inactive player for an elimination (and i was absolutely right on that count although i slightly misjudged who the scum pushing the slot were)
so when i'm catching up and seeing imperium posting about the number of scumreads on norfolk not feeling natural that's resonating pretty strongly with me, the whole thing reeks of convenience especially as he doesn't seem interested in fighting back, like, at all, and i think there needs to be a pretty hard re-evaluation herefree crypto-
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er, why not?In post 1048, WhemeStar wrote:I don't think lurker scum does something like placing 4 naked votes.free crypto-
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In post 1051, SirCakez wrote:Ftr I was suspicious of Rock not for his inactivity but because his four posts were terrible.
anyone claiming any read at all off those posts is highly suspectIn post 1052, WhemeStar wrote:
I just don't think lurker scum wants to bring attention to themselves they just want to lurk. Placing 4 naked votes is bringing attention to yourself.In post 1050, petapan wrote:
er, why not?In post 1048, WhemeStar wrote:I don't think lurker scum does something like placing 4 naked votes.
why does someone being wrong on one read mean their other reads have to be wrong? this isn't good logicSirCakez wrote:
You seem extremely confident for someone who just completely missed on another read you were very confident onIn post 1054, Duchess wrote:
Should I slink away and give up on scumhunting after just one wrong read then? What is unnatural about it? What does a natural progression look like to you in this case? Did you want me to bumble around aimlessly for a bit before continuing to play the game?In post 1042, SirCakez wrote:I will say I think Duchess drafting up this old argument between Imp and me and developing an "extremely confident" scumread after just having a mega fail on their Lotus read seems very unnatural
I'd expect you to take a step back and reevaluate because obviously you were off-track
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???In post 601, Duchess wrote:
If that's so then I think that is an incredibly scummy early stance to take on a player with as much LHF potential as Wheme. I also think your incredulity at my disapproval towards your answers is completely overblown.In post 526, RLotus wrote:
These are not the same thing at all. I said that the things that he said are what I would consider LAMIST, but not that he had scummy intentions behind them or that he is being deceitful in some way. You said that he is specifically saying these things as if he is faking something. I seriously doubt that you can't see a difference after I already explained.In post 523, Duchess wrote:You are missing what I am saying. I saw your explanation. I am not near satisfied. Read my words. You called him LAMIST. I called it an act. These are the same thing. This makes me scummy, and it makes you...?free crypto-
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THERE'S MANY THINGS I WISH I DIDN'T DOIn post 617, Imperium wrote:
I'm not a perfect personIn post 616, SirCakez wrote:
Also c'mon I know you're above insulting me like this as townIn post 603, Imperium wrote:Luckily I'm pretty sure town!Cakez is the only person in this playerlist bad enough to shoot us and I'm not yet entirely convinced town!Cakez is a thing.
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what good points has she made lolIn post 621, Dunnstral wrote:
It's a high effort = town sort of read from me.In post 613, Netflix and Chill wrote:Why does everyone townread Mush?
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1. because those posts were effectively nothing, claiming to have a read off them feels more
2. your argument is that duchess coming back in after one of their reads was wrong and pushing confidently on a secondary read is scummy, because it's unnatural or w/e, and you mentione reevaluating, with the obvious implication that they shouldn't be continuing to scumread you, but that's just not logical at allfree crypto-
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what game was this, because the only completed micro of his i see is a scumgame where he posted plenty, although it looks like his posting style is pretty minimal as either alignment, and he's flaked from a game as town before after doing very little (i hate that i am doing meta on a player whose alignment i know, but i can't let this go)In post 658, SirCakez wrote:I think Rockhopper is flying way under the radar here.
They put up a lot better stuff in the Micro I played with them then they have here.
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bruhIn post 789, unwnd wrote:
Where in any of my posts did it say that I thought he was scum, all I mentioned that is that the shot would be 'interesting'In post 787, Dunnstral wrote:I'm not really seeing a progression from Unwnd here, for example.free crypto-
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dunn saying what i was thinking hereIn post 793, Dunnstral wrote:
You and Imperium.In post 791, unwnd wrote:
...Like who?In post 790, Dunnstral wrote:There were people egging that shot on.
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did this ever happen or is it just a thing you made noise aboutIn post 812, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Because now we know all of Lotus's interactions were genuine, this gives us meat to dig into their interactions with and see if the other side of them looks genuine as well. Stop being deliberately obtuse.free crypto-
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i mean, in general in games, i think scum aren't usually ones to go on the offensive, but when town gets a bad idea they will jump in to encourage it, it felt notable that they went for the hero shot on a player that wasn't scumread by many except for, like, duchess, and suddenly folks who hadn't discussed him at all were like "eh yeah sure"In post 816, unwnd wrote:I definitely see it MUSH, it was such an angled read on two people who just happen to be there at the time Netflix shot his gun off. Let me spin this however, what do you feel is more likely Dunn
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In post 751, unwnd wrote:Lotus would be an interesting shot, the reason I wanted to kill Duchess was actually to resolve my thought on Lotus and the potential of bussing
i mean, i'm not the only one who picked up on it, but it feltIn post 752, Imperium wrote:Nacho didn't elaborate on why he didn't like lotus's interaction with duchess. I'm concerned there's theater about, but I haven't made myself reread their interaction today like I keep trying to get myself to do.
Norfolk's posts once he starts to post beyond the first four, which were all there were when I was trying to find out if his early posts were alignment indicative, don't have the inquisitiveness of the other posts in that game we've both posted from. I think Nacho called his posts last night perfunctory? and some of that feels similar to the game you have experience with him in. But take this with a grain of salt, this little meta dive was not extensive it was just to see if he had different posting styles. The most inquisitiveness he's shown here is when he tries to interact with not_mafia.notablethat rlotus was basically an afterthought then when he got mentioned it prompted this responsefree crypto-
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i've had literally a day in this game and my reads are still shifting dramatically, i have some people iIn post 1078, RLotus wrote:Can everyone give me their stack rank?reallywant to question before i want to commit to anythingfree crypto-
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i'm reading in real time but not taking notes or anything of the like since i'm disorganized. i can see there was mention of it previously but it was never really fleshed out
in general this game, i've liked a lot of what you've said and what you've been doing, like how you really seemed to want to interact with norfolk and actually get a read on him rather than just call for his head like half the players in the game, but if i had to raise a point of concern it seems like you've been difficult to pin down to a concrete stance for a lot of the game. that's not a crime necessarily, my reads tend to waver a lot which is why i hate committing myself to lists but in a setup like this, there's a lot of scum, i'd expect some strong scumreads because you can pretty much close your eyes and throw a dart and still hit scum.
so i want to ask, what's your opinion of norfolk after you interacted with him, or tried to? why's duchess a scumread for you? why's unwnd scum? why is MUSH your top townread?
(i'm still a few pages behind where i first subbed in in my readthrough so i may have missed some stuff, apologies if i'm making you repeat stuff, this is just the impression i'm geting)free crypto-
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you've hit one of the points i was going to make about himIn post 1096, SirCakez wrote:@STT Not maf is always a shit poster he never evolves
You have to look at the little content he puts out and go from there
Also look at game state - if he's not being talked about much (like in this game) he is more likely scum. That is what happened in Doubles Mafia.free crypto-
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meh, like i said i am shotgunning this thread pretty much as quickly as possible without writing down anything and i'm probably gonna miss some details but the timing of it was conspicuous, i don't doubt that no one really believed they were going to hero shoot right that instant, but that's not really as important to as it was the reaction to them entertaining the shot at that momentIn post 1104, Imperium wrote:It was never fleshed out, you're correct, but i find it not notable but odd that you didn't recognize that it was part of a conversation about players that had started at 710. Yes, he at that point said he was thinking lotus, and I restated my previously stated points - my little pings that I wanted to reread and flesh out, which I would have done regardless of who he said. We were in a conversation, one in which he had just stated not too long before that he wasn't going to be shooting right away. (Just double checked this; he said he wanted to give us a chance to get our thoughts out there the night before.) Anyway, there was no indication that he was shooting right then until after that point when he said he was shooting and gave his reads list. I get Dunnstral in the moment thinking it looked that way, but I guess I don't really understand how you don't recognize it for the conversation that it was.
For what it's worth, I didn't even think he was going to be shooting right that moment when he said he was informed they were shooting. I thought that we were still going to talk more. (I realize this part here is pretty meaningless from an outside pov who truly has the above thought, but.)free crypto-
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so, on entry into the game, didn't like cakez, kind of got nervous because he seemed to be preemptively discrediting me in the way i'd expect scum to, reading along i felt like his tunnel on imperium was heading into irrational territory, the way i expect scum doing a shitpush to behave, but as i'm reading, i start to see him make posts i'm not sure he makes as scum, stuff that just feels very believable to me (599 and 857 stick out. i know neither of these are outside his capacity to fake as scum but i just don't think hewouldbother to make them and the way they are written looks genuine), and i start wondering if my initial assumption was wrong
and imperium, well, i liked what they were doing, posts made sense, in particuar the way they were trying to draw content out of norfolk and get him to talk rather than just calling for his head, the way they reacted to cakez tunneling them by assuming he was just misguided town, that's typically an approach town takes to being tunneled and not as common from scum
but, like, i had this paranoid flash and flipped everything and started tinfoiling a world where it's an imperium/norfolk team, the way they reacted to the early pressure on norflok, the thing where they kept trying to speak to him realtime, it suddenly reminded me of what i did with midwaybear in my recent scumgame, had an scumbuddy that was lacking in confidence but i didn't want to just throw him under the bus, i made a point of questioning him and interacting with him in real time to try to get him into the game and give him practice explaining himself as scum, while also making people think we weren't teamed. and that's kind of the vibe i started getting from them makin such a deliberate point of wanting a back and forth with him, like they wanted to dance but he had two left feet and couldn't answer him so they just sort of have to scumread him, and that sort orf meshes with them talking about how the people who were pushing him early might be scum, like they might be setting up to call them bussers when he flips
and it also occurred to me that, tactically, OMGUSing cakez is a terrible move in the world where imperium is scum and cakez is town because it gets them nowhere. like, if they're scum their goal here is to endgame and cakez is basically the only one likely to shoot them so they'dhaveto discourage a cakez shot, at least right now, and from that perspective, the whole read there starts looking very political and ingenuine, and they're one of maybe a couple people in this game i'd expect to be thinking that way about who they call to get shot
to be cleari'm not advocating imperium get shot right now, i would shoot norfolk before them every time and only consider them after a norfolk red flip, but that's my little paranoid theory right now
my early assumption about norfolk was that he was just the lazy "consensus scum" pick but now i'm seeing a lot of people flot him as scum but not have him at the bottom of their readlists which is always a big warning sign, when a bunch of people are going "yeah he's scummy BUT how about so-and-so..." that tells you there are people who don'treallywant him shot which is a pretty strong sign just by gamestate that he's scumfree crypto-
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w h a tIn post 1173, Imperium wrote:I still don't like your response. I have a lot more faith in your ability to read the natural progression of a conversation and you acting like something is what is demonstrably is not is worrisome for your alignment.
Think you're displaying an agenda there you wouldn't if you were town.
this is so far out there i don't know what to say, it's ridiculously unfair to expect me to meticulously remember every detail of a thread when i'm basically trying to speedrun the entire thingfree crypto-
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you didn't need to throw an entire rant at me, was asking because from where i'm sitting i see you talking a lotIn post 1114, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Exhausted. I can't post much tonight, but I can do a little bit.
It's something I've been intending to do but you may have noticed that practically as soon as the "BAD SHOT WHAT A DOOFUS TOWN'S DOOMED" crap died down I had my life fall even more to pieces and have been barely able to manage more than like what, five? of my normal wallposts in the past two days. On top of that, I had to deal with STT being obvscum (until Bayesian-bot evidence proved that scummy actions are NAI for them) and people following up on shit I asked them for all the way back when I actually DID have time.In post 1074, petapan wrote:
did this ever happen or is it just a thing you made noise aboutIn post 812, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Because now we know all of Lotus's interactions were genuine, this gives us meat to dig into their interactions with and see if the other side of them looks genuine as well. Stop being deliberately obtuse.
Give me a fucking break.
I still absolutely think it's a thing worth doing but I do not have the time or the energy to do it at this point in time. If someone else does it I will be exceedingly grateful, but I'm expecting no one will, and that they won't get what I will out of it, so I intend to get to it when I have a chance even if someone else DOES do it. Probably, if luck is with me, I will do it tomorrow, but I can't actually promise it in my current condition so don't get all evil-rubbing-hands-together-moo-hoo-ha-ha-ha about this if I miss it either.
For the record, if you didn't mean this in a snarky "oh so you are just providing filler huh?" way, and my response seems harsh, please be aware that I'm fucking exhausted and sick and hungry and am just typing this in bed until I pass out and I made a pretty clear request to delay asking me shit until I got back to the damn game, so I'm more than a little annoyed that I get on to say "yeah I got some time for something if anyone needs anything" and have to immediately respond to some snarky fucking shade-throwing frivolous bullshit from someone who should know at least a bit of the way I play, and on the /same goddamn page/ that I said "hey hold your questions thanks" no less. So I might be a tiny little bit disinclined to give you the benefit of the goddamn doubt here.aboutyourself and talkingaboutdoing things, rather than actuallydoing them, and i'm waiting on results, something really tangible
the one thing i really liked from you was the STT push, it was great, there was such conviction to it, it felt strong and this game needed the aggression, but then the make one post explaining themselves and...you just kind of dropped it. it makes me question how sincere the initial belief was in the first placefree crypto-
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dunn just seems like his usual self tbhIn post 1178, unwnd wrote:
I don't disagree with this in hindsight? The only thing that gives me very slight pause is people like Dunn coming in and saying 'norfolk has been called obv scum or even null we should just shoot him'. What's your read on Dunn right now or perhaps other topics of interest such as (STT, Duchess)?In post 1174, petapan wrote:my early assumption about norfolk was that he was just the lazy "consensus scum" pick but now i'm seeing a lot of people flot him as scum but not have him at the bottom of their readlists which is always a big warning sign, when a bunch of people are going "yeah he's scummy BUT how about so-and-so..." that tells you there are people who don't really want him shot which is a pretty strong sign just by gamestate that he's scum
STT i still have questions for i'm not gonna pronounce a verdict just yet but them having me as toptown almost immediately is ???
didn't like how duchess started the game at all, whole opener felt fake and trying to look town, nothing after has felt town, the way they were pushing cakez kinda made me question it but starting to see cakez town has me going back to duchess just being scum, i don't have concrete reasoning there based on stuff they've said but just on gut, scumfree crypto-
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you're overreactingIn post 1177, Imperium wrote:
bruhIn post 1175, petapan wrote:
w h a tIn post 1173, Imperium wrote:I still don't like your response. I have a lot more faith in your ability to read the natural progression of a conversation and you acting like something is what is demonstrably is not is worrisome for your alignment.
Think you're displaying an agenda there you wouldn't if you were town.
this is so far out there i don't know what to say, it's ridiculously unfair to expect me to meticulously remember every detail of a thread when i'm basically trying to speedrun the entire thing
I didn't. In fact we had a conversation, I laid out what actually happened, and you went meh I like my agenda theory better.
I even directed you to where the conversation started. If you cared, if you actually were looking for alignments and to see if you agreeing with Dunnstral made any kind of sense, you'd have checked.
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weird postIn post 1122, WhemeStar wrote:
its more like i want to find out your allignmentIn post 1121, Not_Mafia wrote:Why do you want to give me the gun?free crypto-
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which ones, exactly? because in my chart the only place i have where your scumreads overlap with his are on norfolk, n_m, and rockhopperIn post 1134, ScrewTheTells wrote:Well I had the impression that Lotus was in a similar head-space as us, so I expect he'll shoot one of our top suspects or at least someone we wouldn't mind too much shooting either. In any case I had no fear that Lotus would fire the gun randomly at a weird target. That's why I was like...Imperium, are you trying too hard for the LAMIST theatre? I think it's obvious Lotus will not shoot immediately. How do you even mis-read Lotus's style that much?free crypto-
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1. i think very few people in this game would be thinking that far in advance as scum. most people are just going to try to get town shotIn post 1157, RLotus wrote:I think scum are trying to direct my shot to someone who will shoot the gf. I see three instances of this if my theory is correct, one of which is not well hidden whatsoever. And one instance has been doubled back on because I made it clear it won't work.
I'm being vague I know but I wonder if anyone will see what I see to maybe reaffirm me. My reads/shot isn't locked in whatsoever btw I am flip flopping a lot.
2. scum don't want the godfather shot if they can help it, they want town to be shot above all else. if someone WERE trying to specifically direct your shot, i don't know why you'd assume it would be on someone who'd shoot godfather and not, yknow, town, which would cause us to lose the game.free crypto-
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i amIn post 1194, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Okay, petapan. Let me just say, I'm very, very sorry I haven't "done anything" this game. I'm sincerely, from the bottom of my heart apologetic that I'm lugging everything I own in this world from airbnb to motel room to Starbucks patio on a semi-regular basis, sometimes multiple times a day, while running errands from government center to doctor's office with a ton of busywaiting to try and get out of the mess I'm in. I apologize for barely having the time to eat on some days. I certainly apologize for the fact that I literally /didn't/ yesterday.
Please, allow me to say, I am extraordinarily, deeply sorry. Downright aggrieved on your behalf. I offer my deepest condolences.
/But you will just have to put up with it./
If that sucks for you, maybe imagine how much goddamn worse it sucks for me before you start saying I should be doing more.
Check my damn postcount and tell me I ain't doing anything again. Check how many slots I've put hard pressure on and tell me I'm not doing anything. Or, you know, give me a bit of goddamn slack for the circumstances. I'm making statements of intent for others to hold me accountable, some days I have more free time than others and I clearly haven't had shit recently, I keep the playerlist up to date on what to expect from me, it's only been like 3 or 4 damn days or something, back the fuck up.
You don't want a rant, don't talk shit about things that are beyond my control and semi-temporary.sorryif i have personally offended you and i amsorryyou're having to put up with a lot of crap but fucking miss me with this heavy handed emotional appeal garbage i'm so sick of people pulling this shit in games it's the most obnoxious garbage, like you're the only important person in the world and that gives you a license to just be as brutally unpleasant as possible to anyone who DARES accuse you
shit like this is everything i hate about the game right now
anyway
remind me who you've hard pressured, exactly? because in my view it adds up to a whole lot less than the amount of time you've spent talking about yourself and your intricate web of plans you're laying, one whose end results are...what, exactly?free crypto
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