Open 801: Trust Fall (Game Over)

[Akarin]

Uncrowned... seems... so... trustworthy...

[Akarin]

VOTE: Pooky

[Akarin]

Reasons to Trust Hectic in 2020:

• I do not own a single weapon of mass destruction in my household.
  
• I have only committed mass murder on
  one
  occasion, and no more.
  
• I can not only fall into your arms, but backflip into them.
  
• I am not an assassin or contract killer, I am retired and that is long behind me.

How many patents do you have to your name?

[Akarin]

[Akarin]

B-but I was just proving that you had a big heart.

It's big because it is so full of love.

[Akarin]

So a (modification of an) idea from the previous iteration of this that they didn't actually try:

What if each of us names 2 players other than ourselves, like a pseudo-vote thing.
Then after a certain point, the 2 players named most often have to pair off.
So like the same concept as RVS wagons basically, but we flip 2 people.

For this to be worth anything I think we have to actually talk about stuff and be able to change our pair though, which isn't what was proposed in that game.

And obviously we're town-hunting here, but I think maybe I'd want to push for like 2rd and 3rd towniest town reads or something? So we save the consensus towniest player to still be around after the flips.

[Akarin]

Following my own plan
HEAL: Jake
HEAL: Fidget

[Akarin]

You can't stop me
HEAL: Jake

[Akarin]

Hooray! We've officially made it twice as far as the last run of this setup without anyone Trusting Mafia!

[Akarin]

As a reminder, the notation for trusting is I trust X.

Yeah, I was not intending those to be

TRUST

if that's directed at me.

[Akarin]

i don't think leashing is that good of an idea tbh, scum getting a say through leashing may be dangerous

Scum getting a say gives us something to read associatives from though.

[Akarin]

For the record, I didn't mean leashing the mechanic

all game

on that either, just the first leave-pair.

[Akarin]

I am a Suicidal Jester, who wants to die.

Well you're in the right game for it...

[Akarin]

Uncrowned seems so trustworthy...

[Akarin]

Hey. I said tie me within a townie player.

You scumread Jake?

[Akarin]

Towniness Vote Count!

Jake The Wolfie (3):

Akarin, Rockhopper, Pooky

Fidget (1):

Akarin

Akarin (1):

Rockhopper

Uncrowned (1):

Pooky 

Hectic (0):

Necessary Sneasel (0):

PookyTheMagicalBear (0):

Rainbow Reads (0):

Rockhopper (0):

shellyc (0):

Not Voting (6):

Fidget, Hectic, Jake The Wolfie, Necessary Sneasel, Rainbow Reads, shellyc

You're really bad at being a Jester, Jake.

[Akarin]

I forgot Uncrowned.

He was just too trustworthy

[Akarin]

HURT: Jake
HEAL: Hectic

[Akarin]

Towniness Votes!: Y'all are making this confusing asterisks edition

Uncrowned (3*)

: Pooky, Fidget*, Hectic*, Shelly

Jake The Wolfie (2.5*):

 Rockhopper, Pooky, Fidget*

Akarin (2*):

 Rockhopper, Hectic*, Fidget*

Rockhopper (1*):

Hectic*, Fidget*

Hectic (1.5*):

Akarin, Fidget*

Fidget (1):

 Akarin

Necessary Sneasel (0):

PookyTheMagicalBear (0):

Rainbow Reads (0):

shellyc (0):

Not Voting (4):  Jake The Wolfie, Necessary Sneasel, Rainbow Reads, Uncrowned

*Fidget is cute so she gets as many votes as she wants.
**Hectic is cute so he gets 1 extra vote but NO MORE
***I interpreted Shelly’s “unc is town” as a towniness vote because why not

[Akarin]

So I like both Hectic AND Uncrowned for Town right now.

[Akarin]

So Necessary Sneasel has never posted on site at all, even to sign up for the game.

[Akarin]

why are you healing these two here akarin?

Because I had liked both of their opening posts.

Later I decided I did like Jake because of his discomfort with being townread, but since then I've flipped on him because I feel like he's playing it up a lot.

[Akarin]

Welcome to your first game on site, Necessary Sneasel!

This is sure to be a good introduction for a new player like you.

[Akarin]

This one.

But if people ship us, then who am I to deny our fans?

Please just let me fall to the ground

[Akarin]

Thank you Shelly!

[Akarin]

what made you like the other person's opener? not jake. i forgot the username of the one i'm asking about.

She obviously understood about Equinox's disgusting anti-suffrage stance, but chose to RVS vote for Pooky right after me, building momentum. It's a dumb page 1 read but I feel like scum would have been more likely to either not vote or vote elsewhere.

But post 98, post 171 progression, and post 171 also strike me as pretty towny, so I have grown more confident in my town read there.

[Akarin]

When we do start pairing up, instead of pairing top townreads first, I kind of think we should pair from the middle pairs until we hit scum, then reevaluate for the last few.

[Akarin]

Need to catch up, but this is a weird weekend to be making activity reads.

[Akarin]

Need to catch up, but this is a weird weekend to be making activity reads.

Huh???

As a denizen of the great land of cheeseburgers and eagles I've been busy since Thursday and I think probably a lot of other people have been too, weird time to make activity reads.

[Akarin]

Pooky, are you my Dad?

[Akarin]

So why isn't Uncrowned just conf!town or gamethrowing scum? I don't see what mod confirmation has to do with it, if Uncrowned accepts a trust, he's out of the game and scum is that much closer to winning, right?

Haven't 2 players trusted Uncrowned at this point?

[Akarin]

Necessary Sneasel, why'd you do a 180 on me?

[Akarin]

Because I saw people talking about activity reads on the last page (which seems dumb) and I wanted to say something so Equinox wouldn't prod me while I was catching up.

[Akarin]

Gloria, this is what I saw when I said that.

Fidget, Rainbow Reads, and shellyc have been prodded.

Maybe NS is right because Shelley also needed prodding in Hideyoshi. I hate activity alignment reading people though.

Fidget, Rainbow Reads, and shellyc have been prodded.

Maybe NS is right because Shelley also needed prodding in Hideyoshi. I hate activity alignment reading people though.

activity reads are for nerds, shelly probably had a busy weekend or something
check her iso, a personality like hers always reads assertive but i think she clearly has no idea what's going on in this game

[Akarin]

@Akarin, are you town here?

Yes, but if Pooky is scum I'll consider throwing because family is what's most important, especially at this time of year.

[Akarin]

@Akarin, are you town here?

And why would the mod’s decision to prod anyone be even remotely influenced by “activity reads”?

Cuz I bet money that has never actually happened in any game ever.

We're clearly miscommunicating here because I have no idea what you're talking about, but I think you're thinking I'm saying something I'm not.

[Akarin]

I didn't know what that exchange was referring to, that's all the context I had. But I was over the 2 day clock and I didn't want to get prodded while I caught up.

My read on Shelly is ???

[Akarin]

I mean that

I

would be prodded. But I said a thing that wasn't "prodge" while I was catching up because I was over the timer.

I don't understand how anyone can even

have

a read on Rainbow Reads right now, guess I need to look at some of their games or something but just seems like nothing to go on at all.

I actually don't want to see Uncrowned paired off yet though, because I'd like some of the towniest voices to survive until late game.

[Akarin]

see it you can find it

I've looked again, I can't find it. You go from one scumread (Pooky) to me on the same page where all I did was post my Thanksgiving prod-dodge. Explain please?

[Akarin]

I ship Jake and Rainbow for first pair.

[Akarin]

Because it would flip them now and the endgame would be actually readable players, and they don't seem like they're scumreading each other particularly.

[Akarin]

Like there's a significant chance Rainbow-Jake is T-T, and in that case we remove the... noise about their lack of noise from the game. And if one is scum we'll have just done the POE paranoia elim a bit earlier than doing it at endgame. If both are scum the pairing will fail and then game solved! (No way is it gonna be that easy.)

[Akarin]

Um, the POE thing doesn't make sense the way I just said it, but it makes sense logically if you think about it.

Neither is likely to be anyone's top townread or top scumread is what I mean.

[Akarin]

Yeah but that's exactly why pairing up, say, Fidget and Uncrowned is a bad idea. Better to keep them around longer and have some of the others pair first.

[Akarin]

Of course they could be wrong. I'm despairing of ever having a good read on either of them though. I was liking Jake at first, that kind of faded, but I still think she's no worse than neutral.

I'm just not seeing at what point in the game we'll have any confident reads on either that don't seem reachy. But I can easily see both being less scummy than Pooky or whoever the group consensus ends up with in late game.

I think I'm like 0.01% more likely town than random on Jake and absolute coinflip on Rainbow, but I'm not sure I see it getting much better than that, and I see some value in removing them from the equation, because statistically everyone is a bit more likely town than scum anyway.

If we pair consensus town reads first we have no one trustworthy around to give opinions.

[Akarin]

I actually almost proposed to Sneasel earlier today, not that I think he'd accept, but I'm having some paranoia there. I think he's probably more likely town than not but I don't know, something about the "I'm gonna pair with Akarin, somebody stop me" thing. Plus, if he is town, I wouldn't want him to actually accept anyway.

There's 4 hours after Sneasel proposed to Uncrowned where Uncrowned was admittedly not that active but

did

have a couple posts on site elsewhere and there's not enough scum for it to be Sneasel + Uncrowned + Pooky. So scum!Uncrowned should have paired with whichever was town, or either if they both were.

I don't see what the gambit does for Uncrowned here if scum, and it's possible that it's Pooky + Uncrowned and Uncrowned missed the Sneasel thing but I think that's

much

less likely than Sneasel seems to think it is.

[Akarin]

You know how when you get like halfway through a normal game and you just want to eliminate those players who have done absolutely nothing towny all game and you can't stand them making it to endgame, but then they flip VT?

I feel like that's Jake and Rainbow.

[Akarin]

When we do start pairing up, instead of pairing top townreads first, I kind of think we should pair from the middle pairs until we hit scum, then reevaluate for the last few.

akarin is scum because the four pages between this & her last post are filled with actual content and this is a really peculiar moment to pop in with a mech comment - go back and reread from her last post to this one and tell me you think an akarin who is reading and trying to solve the game makes this post without commenting on anything else

unconscious guilt over me saying I was going to trust her is showing

bet on it.

Yeah that was a prod dodge.

[Akarin]

you think Jake and rainbow are that similar? can you try rainbow again?

They obviously have different playstyles, but yeah I think they're basically going to amount to the same in terms of difficulty reading. Neither strikes me as the scummiest player, for reasons I mentioned before, and your previous point on Rainbow, but at the same time I'd be super-hesitant to bet the game on both of them being town near endgame.

You disagree?

[Akarin]

I am BACK

I've fallen behind in like all of my games, so I'm just going to play from page 19 and look to new horizons. Give me some important pointers if I missed them.

Fidget is still cute. Has been generally towny.

Gloria Cleary replaced Rockhopper and will surely post enough that you'll be able to read her soon.

Jake The Wolfie has been prodded. Flirted with Pooky a bit but didn't propose. Has had no real content.

Necessary Sneasel has rabies but is pretty likely town. Thinks I'm scum because of the post I quoted just above this one. Also was doubting that Uncrowned was town for a while even after previously trusting Uncrowned, but has since decided that was paranoia and is trusting Uncrowned again.

PookyTheMagicalBear is my father.

Rainbow Reads

?

?

?

?

?

?

shellyc is someone I have no faith in my ability to read and hasn't done anything really notable but has been questioning Sneasel a bit

Uncrowned is probably* conftown.

[Akarin]

Oh, and I suggested we pair Rainbow+Jake first.

Read my ISO for me explaining it over and over to Gloria, I think I eventually explained why well enough.

[Akarin]

Oh, and I suggested we pair Rainbow+Jake first.

Read my ISO for me explaining it over and over to Gloria, I think I eventually explained why well enough.

This does not appear to be the popular choice.

What makes you say that?

[Akarin]

As for other candidates, I think Akarin is still solid off the top of my head. I should probably look back and see why Sneasel thinks she's sus though

When we do start pairing up, instead of pairing top townreads first, I kind of think we should pair from the middle pairs until we hit scum, then reevaluate for the last few.

akarin is scum because the four pages between this & her last post are filled with actual content and this is a really peculiar moment to pop in with a mech comment - go back and reread from her last post to this one and tell me you think an akarin who is reading and trying to solve the game makes this post without commenting on anything else

unconscious guilt over me saying I was going to trust her is showing

bet on it.

Yeah that was a prod dodge.

[Akarin]

@Rainbow

Why did Jake get scummier since v2?

[Akarin]

I want to propose to a really questionable townread just to piss off Dad.

[Akarin]

Fidget, did you still have questions about my Rainbow-Jake thought or did that pretty much answer itself as the day went on.

I'm less hot on that right now by the way, but I was kind of hoping Jake or Rainbow would actually react to it more. Or other people.

I don't really think all the scum can be in people making a point of not trying though.

[Akarin]

Like I get where y'all are coming from, but I just do not buy that a scumteam with 2 of Jake/Rainbow/Pooky decide to approach the game like this.

[Akarin]

what makes you think that two lurker/quiet scum are implausible?

Why not? Everyone else seems townier.

Because the two least-towny townies and the two scum can be left at the end and town will win. Scum really don't want to both be in the bottom 4.

I can

easily

imagine one of them being scum, but I think on a Pooky-Jake, Pooky-Rainbow, or Rainbow-Jake scumteam, at least

one

of them would try to play up the towniness to the best of their abilities. I

absolutely

buy that Pooky could play this way as scum, but if scum is Pooky-Rainbow? Wouldn't Pooky try to actually act more town in that pairing?

And if it's Rainbow-Jake, well a) that's a reason to want to pair them up, but b) Jake wouldn't try harder than this? And quickly glancing at a few other games, it seems like sometimes Rainbow does give more content than just the readslists.

The thing about Jake is wanting to pair with Pooky. That gives me some serious hesitation because maybe that's Jake trying to actually get out of the game with Town!Pooky banking on Pooky making a whimsical choice like that.

So I guess now I want Rainbow to be my new step-rainbow.

[Akarin]

So I'm thinking that if Gloria isn't scum with Pooky (which I don't entirely want to rule out) then she's very likely town.

[Akarin]

she posted elsewhere onsite between the post before the one that struck me as guilty & her post before it so I kinda assumed she wasn't literally inactive the whole time

I'm still surprised she didn't feel compelled to engage with anything else

I literally had not read the intervening posts.

I had a limited amount of time and prioritized a game with an impending deadline. Not sure if it's the one I can talk about yet or not.

[Akarin]

After reconsideration, this question implies that the town is doing an awful job.

Yeah, I feel like I want Jake to go to endgame at this point.

Disregard my RR-Jake plan.

[Akarin]

Aww, I was just thinking that Gloria would be a good step-mom.

[Akarin]

I love the amount of love in this game

[Akarin]

So we just really need 3 pairs
Me, Gloria, Fidget, Un-Frowned, Sneasel

And one of Shelly, Hectic, Pooky

[Akarin]

Makes me nervous that it could be that simple

[Akarin]

How would people feel about me trusting Shelly?

Dad?

[Akarin]

I've been going back and forth on that a lot. Not really sure.

I'm feeling like I'd be kind of nervous trusting Uncle Hectic though.

[Akarin]

Pooky, why is Shelly scum?

Gloria, why is Hectic town?

[Akarin]

if he is he needs 1-2 incorrect peoole in the PoE to win and after he became PoE'd he started shading

He needs at least 3 townies in the scummiest bunch of players to win.

I think this is an important distinction.

[Akarin]

His thought process seems really genuine. He’s asking lots of good questions. I’m mindmelding with him on quite a bit and his avatar is making my heart go pitter patter.

I

do

like his avatar. But I was thinking his ISO looked kind of sparse when I was reading it again. What parts do you think you're most mind-melding on?

[Akarin]

I hear Hectic has quite the plumber's crack

[Akarin]

567 is a very good argument

[Akarin]

I have watched it so many times now

[Akarin]

I think my sister is making questionable life choices again.

[Akarin]

My heart is so pure, why do scoundrels always try to corrupt me? *bawls into a tub of Akarin’s pistachio maple fudge swirl ice cream*

There, there. There are at least 8 other fish in the sea.

I seriously had pistachio ice cream with maple on it this summer.

[Akarin]

@Sneasel (3 PPEs?)
But if scum are 2 of the top scumread players, they have 1 more in that trifecta, then at least 2 more need to be down there in order for one scum to pair out.

Yeah I think we're saying the same thing, but the 1-2 part made it confusing.

So you think it's plausible scum!Pooky plays like this if his teammate is Rainbow or Jake?

[Akarin]

I trust Gloria

No need to accept this, Sis. But if you want, we can decide we don't need no man (or woman/wolf/demon thing, whatever) and drive off together into the sunset with the radio turned up too loud and the wind in our hair.

[Akarin]

I mean, I feel like Pooky already has me pocketed for life independent of alignment. In this and all future games.

[Akarin]

Will you promise to make an honest women of me Akarin?

I don't need to, you're already an honest woman.

And yeah, if you want to wait, I'm happy to repeat the offer on Day 2, I'm having a ton of fun in this game too and it'll be sad.

But we can still braid each other's hair in the spectator thread!

[Akarin]

I also have been finding Pooky more town lately.

Obviously all this changes if we flip a scum somewhere along the line, maybe not great to plan it all out too much, although we should obviously all give reads before Trusting.

Yeah, lately I've been thinking Jake might be more scum than RR.

Shelly confuses me. I want her to be town but I have no faith in myself on this. It was interesting the responses my suggesting that got though.

[Akarin]

But, like, if Jake is Mafia, I really have trouble believing it's with RR.

[Akarin]

Indeed! I have been saying this.

[Akarin]

Realistically I think it's likely one of Shelly and Hectic, although my Sneasel paranoia isn't totally gone either. And then one of Jake and Rainbow with them.

[Akarin]

I think this has already been stated, but I just wanted to throw it out there that UC is probably (though not confirmed) town.

However, I'm pretty sure the next thought I had hasn't been said yet:
Could Uncrowned be deepwolfing to get their partner on the bench of trust fallees?

This, I assume.

What do you think of Hectic, Shelly, and Rainbow?

[Akarin]

Sorry guys about being wrong on Hectic but I’m convinced we’re safe as long as no one trusts Shelley.

I was

just

thinking I should trust Shelly because surely it can't be both of them.

[Akarin]

I mean, for the record I don't really have a real read on Shelly, just was stuck in my "one of Shelly/Hectic" logic.

[Akarin]

Of course Gloria, I'll wait for you as long as you need. Driving off into the sunset is better when it's toward the end anyway.

[Akarin]

So the problem is, now we can only leave 1 town unpaired.

[Akarin]

I trust Fidget

[Akarin]

Okay so what's the case on Shelly. Because I admit I can't read her, but do we really think the interactions with Hectic are all theater?

[Akarin]

Untrust: Fidget

Looking forward to Sneasel's reaction

[Akarin]

So as it stands we have... 4 out of 2 people that we're never pairing off?

[Akarin]

I think the post about Hectic was saying that the way to read Hectic is that everyone just always townreads Hectic. I didn't take it as being specifically about you, Gloria.

[Akarin]

Like reading Hectic/Shelly in ISO, I guess I'm just not seeing what you two are seeing?

Thoughts after the flip Pooky?

[Akarin]

I shouldn't gamble with my life, but I want to make irresponsible decisions.

Dad should blame my sisters.

[Akarin]

I trust Shelly

*puts on too much lipstick and smokes a cigarette*

[Akarin]

*coughs violently but tries to play it off*

[Akarin]

It's not too late to talk me out of it, but I'm really not seeing this scumread as clearly as you two.

And if we need to pair all but two people.

[Akarin]

It's very worrying that you're viewing something that's ideal for town's wincon, and saying it's

more

likely scum would do it than town

Fidget I'm actually kinda undecided on, but I agree with her reads which is probably good

no?

I am saying that town hunting/townblocking is the optimal townplay for this setup, like how in a normal game you'd say making reads is optimal townplay?

and scum would aim to imitate town hunting as much as possible?

so therefore town hunting is not a town tell?

Untrust: Shelly

[Akarin]

Whew, glad we wrapped that up.

Also, didn't mean to quote those.

[Akarin]

Yeah but I don't really want to leave the game right now.

Not necessarily opposed to it other than I promised Gloria ice cream and a drive off into the sunset.

[Akarin]

So there's 1 scum in:

Jake The Wolfie
Necessary Sneasel
PookyTheMagicalBear
Rainbow Reads

And we need to pair 2 town.

How sure are we that we can just get away with pairing Pooky and Sneasel?

I want to give that some serious thought with our Council of Eligible Young Women.

[Akarin]

I don't see the scum agenda in my play either!

[Akarin]

my daughters are going to be the death of me

It was just a rebellious phase!

[Akarin]

at least this isnt like that time you launched me out of the house on a catapult for your science fair project.

irl I actually did have to build a catapult in high school physics and I launched my cans of veggies the farthest in my class.

[Akarin]

The issue is that with 2 players refusing to play the game, if both are town then we lose because we only have enough room for 1 player to not try.

[Akarin]

Can Rainbow be prodded?

[Akarin]

I worry that someone who sees themselves as a universal scumread being left all alone in their scum PT isn't going to be in a great place when they have to basically carry the game by getting themselves paired with someone.

[Akarin]

I agree with Gloria's thoughts on Rainbow, those same posts have me worried too.

I'm just also worried that it's not

that

much and I don't agree with her logic on Jake being town. Actually I don't agree with her logic on

me

being town in one of those posts, a lot of people were putting Hectic in definitely-not-scum territory, I don't think people trying to interfere with that in subtle ways means anything.

[Akarin]

At this point the Rainbow Readlists seem completely pointless

[Akarin]

EBWOP

I don't think people trying to interfere with that in subtle ways means anything.

I don't think people trying to interfere with the

pairing

is what I mean. Hectic would have probably paired on D2 instead of D1 if Gloria and I had left or whatever, don't think people encouraging... counterwagons? is a very meaningful thing to look at.

Phrased that too ambiguously.

[Akarin]

My only hesitation with Pooky is that Pooky never proposed to Hectic. The interactions between Pooky and Hectic in those early parts of the day make me very nervous of theater.

My only hesitation on Sneasel is something I just realized is stupid. Want to reread, but I'm feeling more comfortable there all of a sudden.

It bothers me that at least one of Rainbow/Jake is basically gamethrowing and making this much tougher for us.

[Akarin]

Like that is the laziest, most consensus readlist ever, but then what can you really do at this point.

It's like going into LYLO and only posting a readslist.

[Akarin]

#905 is a pretty good case for Sneasel-Pooky and just letting Equinox sort Jake-RR out.

I kind of want to take our time on this, but I guess I wouldn't mind if we wanted to roll the dice sooner.

[Akarin]

Oh yeah, we should do a thing where we propose to the towniest people, and have them not accept. We can "clear" people if we slowly propose to the UTRs until we have a smaller pool. So we can IC people while keeping them in the game while they can continue to weigh in

This is why I'm still worried about Sneasel actually.

[Akarin]

I ship Jake and Rainbow for first pair.

This does not appear to be the popular choice.

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{Rainbow Reads}

{Necessary Sneasel, Uncrowned}

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{Equinox, Fidget}

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{Gloria Cleary, Jake The Wolfie}

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Jake moved from Purple in the last list to Yellow in this one.

Fidget, did you still have questions about my Rainbow-Jake thought or did that pretty much answer itself as the day went on.

I'm less hot on that right now by the way, but I was kind of hoping Jake or Rainbow would actually react to it more. Or other people.

I don't really think all the scum can be in people making a point of not trying though.

I thought you might've been reaction testing with this to see if anyone was really vocally unopposed. There's the scenario where they're both town and scum really needs to stop that from happening, since they're both PoE range. Fidget was voacally opposed, but I feel her thoughts behind it were genuine.

I also just like that latest string of Fidget posting.

[Akarin]

But why wouldn’t Hectic have proposed to Sneasel then? Sneasel has proposed to Uncrowned, Hectic (after I called him “locktown”) and now me, so based on what Hectic was trying to accomplish why wouldn’t scum!Sneasel have put himself into the obvtown waiting position to fit with that plan?

I don't understand what you mean. No one has actually trusted Sneasel at any point during the game, it's just that Sneasel has trusted a few people (Uncrowned, you, I think that's it)

Scum can't pair as Sneasel was making a point of earlier.

[Akarin]

Yes, but if Hectic was paired with RR or Jake, I worry that that's a less good plan. He says that shortly after my Rainbow-Jake suggestion.

[Akarin]

and just letting Equinox sort Jake-RR out.

Would you like to clarify how the moderator will sort out me and Rainbow road?

No.

I feel like reading comprehension is an important skill that we should all get a bit of practice in.

[Akarin]

Why was that the question you felt most needed to be asked?

[Akarin]

And I'm worried it was to encourage us to trust some of the at-the-moment consensus townreads first. i.e. Sneasel. Then Hectic would have been the 2nd scum in the game in that case.

If we went down the list the other way, Hectic is out first and Rainbow and Jake are endgamed. Which is bad for Hectic-Rainbow.

[Akarin]

Jake, as my father is fond of saying, SHOW ME YOUR TOWNY HEART!

[Akarin]

Controversial take: I'm townreading Gloria right now.

[Akarin]

No, I mean in the original comment from Hectic. If Hectic was paired with Sneasel, we'd pair Sneasel with someone before Hectic.

If Hectic is paired with Jake/Rainbow, we'd have had the same situation we have now, but the game would be longer and we'd have cleared Sneasel as well. Pooky was pretty widely scumread at the time though, so it's possible he thought it would bet Pooky/Rainbow/Jake at the end and his partner could win that?

[Akarin]

Shelly is like my friend who wears black nail polish and shops at Hot Topic that Dad thinks is a bad influence on me.

[Akarin]

I mean, I think you're probably right. It's probably one of Rainbow or Jake, especially because I feel like scum is in a really weird position here. I just have trouble shaking that paranoia.

But I just got done yelling from the dead thread about Isis and Oka being too paranoid and not just going with the obvious option in Epilogue.

Like I get it, and Fidget's meta on Rainbow is actually really excellent reason to think that. And Sneasal is pretty townie overall, just that line from Hectic has me really thinking.

Maybe it's just WiFoM.

[Akarin]

The problem is, it can't be both Rainbow and Jake, and whichever one is town has no desire to help us win the game because

both

are acting like despairing scum who aren't sure if trying too hard now will be seen as scummy and have just given up trying.

[Akarin]

Like Jake not summarizing whatever her point was that was lost, or wanting to ask me about my equinox comment but not taking the time to read it and then sort of throwing up her hands when I pushed back a bit.

[Akarin]

Then I say we roll the dice and have Pooky trust Sneasel whenever the two of them are ready.

Are we ready to have Sneasel as a step-dad?

[Akarin]

Feel like we should do the gambly one first so if we're going to lose we get it over with.

[Akarin]

Plus I want to ride off into the sunset

[Akarin]

When someone asks you a question, instead of insisting that they are ignorant, maybe try to help them understand. I threw my hands up because you demonstrated that you wouldn't give me an answer.

Because I felt it was obvious from context and thought maybe you'd give me a reaction that would help me read you one way or the other.

Sadly you didn't.

I was literally just saying something like "let god sort them out" i.e. kill both of them and don't worry about it. But Equinox is god.

[Akarin]

gun to head I think Pooky is less likely to just totally fold as scum which means Jake is probably more likely but scum Pooky would have basically had town sitting on his neck all game so I'm also not very confident in his ability NOT to fold in this game in particular

For an example of Pooky folding as scum, see the recently completed Equinox dance, end of Pre-Dance phase. (Really everything after Isis made it clear she wasn't dancing with Pooky I think.)

I can't decide if this is the same thing. Kind of think it's not but should give it more time.

[Akarin]

hm I am happy to explain either of these, sorry if I lose us the game

You're really still worried about that losing the game?

[Akarin]

just drink the damn wine and vote whatever your drunk self feels like

Last time I posted in a mafia game tipsy I think I actually had really good reads, maybe this isn't the worst plan.

[Akarin]

think Jake's little tantrum about being universally scumread looks sincere. it's a pretty ridiculous strat for solo scum to take rather than just, you know, doing the things we're asking Jake to do in an effort to look like town.

I think it's sincere too, btw. I'm just not convinced that sincerity couldn't come from

scum

being universally scumread in this situation.

[Akarin]

I think what I really should do, and don't have time for today, is read a Hectic scumgame.

Problem is, if Hectic is scum with Pooky I'm not sure that means anything, because they'd have the most fun scum PT ever.

But like how often does Hectic try to plant false associatives? How does he interact with teammates? Kind of think this is the angle we need. I can do this, but I can't do it rl-today. Maybe tomorrow night or something?

[Akarin]

I'm more and more sold on the RR thing.

But I'll catch up and actually do the work this deserves tomorrow!

[Akarin]

If it were up to me right at this second I'd pair Sneasel-Jake, but I'm a bit paranoid still.

[Akarin]

Who is not ok with a Jake/Snevil pairing?

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Okay, Rainbow, talk to me instead.

Let's say we never pair you. Who would you pair of Jake-Sneasel-Pooky? Why?

[Akarin]

Fidget, I would like to offer you hugs and perhaps ice cream while we wait.

I think we just take our time here, we don't really need to rush.

[Akarin]

*noseboops sneasel*

[Akarin]

For the record, that noseboop cleared up the rest of the lingering paranoia I had about Sneasel, if any.

I don't want to pair Rainbow, but there's no reason we (or at least I) can't engage with them in good faith.

Feels kind of like a tossup, I agree with Sneasel about Dad, but on the other hand, have you seen Pooky's music taste?

[Akarin]

If I don't get to ride off into the sunset with either Gloria OR Shelly, I refuse to pair with anyone but Fidget

[Akarin]

I know I've spent a lot of time looking for reasons to townread Jake and then telling myself I need to walk away and approach it fresh later.

[Akarin]

going to trustfall sneasel in the next 24 hours

No objection.

[Akarin]

You won't even talk to me, Rainbow?

[Akarin]

Let's say we never pair you. Who would you pair of Jake-Sneasel-Pooky? Why?

And thanks for humoring me.

[Akarin]

Thanks.

You're right that I don't have anything else that comes to mind to ask.

[Akarin]

Hopefully I stay better at reading you

[Akarin]

actually in general, other than Gloria, does anyone else see what I'm getting at by suggesting Gloria/shelly need to go together?

I understand why you're saying it, I just disagree that it matters I guess.

[Akarin]

it is so sad

have you seen 5 cm per second? another one of my favorites. I like tragedies because they make me feel things inside. :3

He has not directed a bad movie but Weathering is my favorite! (Although I don't like that as the English title.)

[Akarin]

Sneasel isn't being irrational and I don't think he meant that to be mean to you, Gloria. He's saying that's what Rainbow said.

Like I actually agree with what Sneasel is saying, the only reason I don't care is I feel like it's a 1% chance of improving things and I literally care more about typing a post about riding off into the sunset than I do about this. Which is stupid of me but that's where my brain is right now.

The problem is that RR and Jake (and Pooky) have so little to go on it feels like RVS all over again, but a 3p RR/Jake/Pooky RVS isn't really something I expect to be better than random anyway.

It's really a LYLO situation with a bunch of spare ICs around and I do like us all being around, but

maybe

RR would play the game more once you left with someone, Gloria. I assume Sneasel wants it to be me and Fidget because of who he thinks will personality clash with Rainbow and who will try to draw them into the game. I just kind of feel like, emotionally, on Rainbow's part as well as the rest of us, that ship sailed like 4 real life days ago. My objection is just that I don't think it will matter, but I do think it's like objectively the right play.

[Akarin]

Gloria, you're right that no one can or should force you out of the game.

But Sneasel is just pushing for what he thinks is the optimal play based on personalities and I actually agree that it is. I'm just being apathetic.

I'm sure you realize, but you have a big personality and the idea is to change the social dynamic of the game because you're not around. That's not crazy.

Yes, he pushed it strong, but I don't think he meant it as a personal attack on you.

I trust Gloria

[Akarin]

I can yell at them in the dead thread with you instead. That solves the conflict with Sneasel and gives Rainbow that chance.

Like I get where this comes from, imagine if the game was 1 IC and these three in a normal vote-scum-or-lose situation. That would be hell.

[Akarin]

so why shouldn’t our focus be on the players who have already demonstrated their willingness to be readable over a player who has shown no interest in doing so?

Because any additional content from RR gives Pooky and Jake more to be readable

off of

.

[Akarin]

Anyway, I'm not saying you have to leave, but the idea has merit I think.

And if the issue was you didn't want to leave

with Sneasel or Shelly

I thought I should offer instead.

[Akarin]

Sorry

[Akarin]

Okay so if this were 3p Lylo we've got

Rainbow (2): Pooky, Jake
Pooky (1): Rainbow

The hammer dynamics stuff isn't in play, so maybe this is a bad way of looking at it, but the fact that neither Pooky nor Rainbow suspect Jake is kind of interesting when looked at like this.

[Akarin]

But yeah, I'm increasingly happy to hand the game to Pooky on the basis of Jim Croce

[Akarin]

[Akarin]

[Akarin]

Gloria, I'm sure someone can help you delete your account but seriously think about stepping away from the computer for a bit. Maybe take a walk outside or something. I finished a game recently where I was absolutely

furious

in the immediate aftermath of the game, and honestly I'm still mad about it but I felt so much better for just walking away from it for a while in the post game after I got up to that point of snapping.

The talking about it after still made me mad the next day, but it was less raw, and that honestly helped a lot.

Take a deep breath, go for a walk, come back to us. Please.

[Akarin]

Stealing this pagetop to repost this because it was the absolutely perfect song for the mood of that flip but ended up bottompaged. And I was so excited about it that I was waiting for Equinox to unlock the thread.