Open 780: Chromavalon - GAME OVER

[Battle Mage]

we meet again mr mage

Hello Sir!

Can you confirm you are not Amanda Young here?

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Hiraki

I've seen enough...

[Battle Mage]

Sheeping Hiraki.

VOTE: cakez

ehhhh…

alright plan B it is:

UNVOTE: VOTE: Midari

[Battle Mage]

mmm BM where's your town passion from Jigsaw?

It was scum passion in Jigsaw, I think you just sent me the wrong role PM.

This isn't a normal mafia game and the setup is actually less easily navigable than I anticipated when I signed up...

[Battle Mage]

Galron's reaction is bad

Jesus. Are you mad because I'm not playing in your pre-defined structure of how you think I should be? Are you mad because I'm voting you? Look around. If you're not scum, quit acting like it.

This game has been a slog. I don't think too many people really know how to approach it yet. TSE made a dumb strategy post that outed him as scum Day 1. Midari made a post Day 1 to the effect of how many understand the rules/setup. That sounded townie to me at the time, and even though she's kind of scum claimed since then, I think that still may be one of the most honest posts of the game. Other than Hiraki's rant. If you look at that, he pretty much nailed the game dynamic at the time. And his ISO is essentially a mind meld with where I'm at. Now we have cakez scum reading four or five people, penguin saying he's okay lynching Midari but not voting there, and Manatee and candles, I don't really know what they're about. Enomis was honest enough to bail, and like I said before, I don't see scum repping out of a lurk party. Battle Mage, bless him, also honestly said he is having difficulty with the mechanic.

If y'all want to lynch Midari, fine, but I think cakez is the better candidate today.

This resonates with me. SirCakez you're right that this is not how I played in Jigsaw, however:

A. My play in Jigsaw single-handedly screwed up the entire game for the town, so it's hardly a meta I'm trying to re-create.
B. I'm not a complete try-hard in every game as town - my drive generally links to my level of engagement, and confidence in my reads.

I wonder if you're genuinely scumreading me based on that meta, or if you're trying to encourage me to play like I did in Jigsaw? The latter is tantamount to fishing in this game.

All

things considered...you're my guy.

VOTE: SirCakez

[Battle Mage]

I am willing to do Galron, Titus and Battle Mage

anyone but you?

[Battle Mage]

I'm sticking with Cakez for today, it's the safe bet.

[Battle Mage]

no posts since this?

I'll do some analysis type stuff tomorrow if I have time. The mechanic makes it hard to know what to say without giving your role away, but I guess we can't just continue with nobody saying anything.

[Battle Mage]

The mechanic makes it hard to know what to say without giving your role away

Explain, BM.

Because Merlins know who is scum and scum need to find the Merlins, so the townies want to make it look like they could be Merlin, and Merlin's want to try and hide their identity. If you're vanilla, you don't want to say too much to give away that you don't know who is scum. If you're Merlin, you don't want to say too much to give away that you do know who the scum is, but obviously enough to signal to your fellow Merlins.

When I realised that was the mechanic, I was just worried about fking it all up for everybody which is why I've been a bit less engaged.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Battle Mage

I'd start here, Merlins. This is the least I've ever seen Battle Mage play before, and I can envisage Enomis being a bus, especially with how he commented on his willingness to wagon hop.

I was similarly engaged in the Wrestling Large theme. Activity is NAI for me, just a reflection of how important I think my contribution is

[Battle Mage]

Running the numbers, Galron has to be scum. Let's bank this one!

VOTE: Galron

[Battle Mage]

i'll be here tonight

[Battle Mage]

ok I can't quite believe we are in the situation we are in right now. In LyLo, on the brink of defeat, in a game where 3 of us know who the scum are.

As we lose if I die today anyway, and I figure scum will have worked it out anyway, I'm a Merlin and had Thesoulenergy as confirmed scum (who was lynched before I even got here). I've been trying to avoid saying too much to give away who the other Merlins (or indeed myself) were, and likewise, they haven't given much away either which is why we are in a pretty shitty spot in terms of actually lynching scum.

Me claiming doesn't resolve much, as scum could obviously just cc me and win. But Enomis did crumb on Day 1 which is something. I've re-read and think the solve is SirCakez and PenguinPower, but I'm not certain.

In hindsight I should have been more active and artificially posted lots of reads to obfuscate things, but it felt kinda high-effort when my main job was done and I just needed to keep a low profile and try and pick things up from others. So apologies for not playing better.

[Battle Mage]

I'm gonna go with VOTE: SirCakez as I'm more confident on that one.

[Battle Mage]

Yeah ok lol

Lack of a vote for me is tantamount to a confession? It's LyLo, so if you were town you should always be voting for me here, particularly if you aren't planning to engage with me.

[Battle Mage]

Enomis only had 9 posts before requesting replacement, so easy to read his ISO. Aside from random voting and speculation, TSE was the only strong preference he expressed (which was his way of communicating to the other Merlins).

I like the TSE wagon.

VOTE: TSE

L-2

-Shows why TSE is scummy
-Hey, I’ll hop on the counterwagon.

...

You can read it as,

I would prefer TSE wagon but I am ok with a hiraki wagon too.

And yes I know I haven't played well, although you can't criticise "the slot" as we're the only ones who've managed to hold up our end.

I don't know if it's helpful for me to talk more about the hammer or why I've followed certain leads, just in case we manage to go back-to-back. And on a broader point, hammers like that are very much part my town game, especially as a PR where I don't want to get NKed.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Battle Mage

I don’t buy the hammer explanation or your claim. If that’s part of your town game it needs to not be. You denied a lot of conversation yesterday.

You're right that in retrospect it wasn't a good move, but didn't you push to lynch Galron for exactly the same reason yesterday? The idea that you don't think town does that, has been disproved once within this game already.

[Battle Mage]

Running the numbers, Galron has to be scum. Let's bank this one!

VOTE: Galron

What did you mean by "running the numbers"? If it's solely talking about how our fellow Merlins acted, then why would you even bring it up in the first place?

It's basically a paraphrase of process of elimination - obviously I knew Galron wasn't a Merlin, and I thought even if Galron flipped town, narrowing the non-Merlin pool could lead to a solve, if we could somehow get enough Merlins through to late-game to guarantee victory.

[Battle Mage]

In hindsight I should have been more active and artificially posted lots of reads to obfuscate things, but it felt kinda high-effort when my main job was done and I just needed to keep a low profile and try and pick things up from others. So apologies for not playing better.

This doesn't really make sense to me. TSE was dead, so you could solve with no fear at that point and wouldn't have to worry about giving much away. When you're a one-shot cop and get a guilty night 1 and lynch scum day 2, do you lurk for the rest of the game thinking "your job is done", or do you try and step up as the town leader? From what I've seen of your mindset in other games, it's the latter.

I'm backing Shocking Merlin here.

Good use of meta, and a nice analogy, but not quite a true reflection of the mechanic here, as I'm actually a 3-shot cop with 2 innocents and a guilty, but if I give away my innocents, then I risk losing the game. The last thing I'd want is to be town leader here when my 2 innocents know who the remaining scum are, and I'm wanting them to signal it to me!

[Battle Mage]

essentially, the way I saw it, when I replaced in my predecessor had fulfilled our core objective, and my first priority was to try not to fk it up by giving their identities away, but to wait for steers. I think scum would almost certainly have pegged me as the TSE Merlin anyway. It's a shitty spot now as I need to say more to 'prove' myself, but also not wanting to make it too easy for scum to achieve their other wincon.

[Battle Mage]

either way, quick shout to the Mod for letting me replace in! It's a fun mechanic but takes some getting used to - I would definitely play again, but would take a much different approach!

[Battle Mage]

Ah well, I was actually town! Assuming I had it right on the final day?

Hiraki, it looks like you didn't take into account that it was LyLo today. So if I didn't claim we'd have lost anyway because I'd be lynched. Scum guessing the Merlins correctly is irrelevant if they can get a majority, so my play today was absolutely correct. Albeit it would have been better to not be in that position.

GG anyway guys and thanks again to BBMolla and Auro!

[Battle Mage]

I'd like to add onto this that it is absolutely detrimental to a town win to claim Merlin if you are town because now scum have one of the Merlins. It just feels like a bait to get someone to CC and have all of the cards on the table which is the absolute opposite of the point of this game.

One more thought - it is almost optimal to end the game here on a Merlin claim if you are a Merlin because you've just made the odds smaller for scum to get it right. It reeks of a shitty bait out for someone to "CC" you which will never ever happen.

You got this totally wrong here - I had to claim honestly to try and avoid getting mislynched which would lose us the game anyway.

I don't think I gave enough away that they would have got all 3 right, but we'll see shortly I guess!

[Battle Mage]

I would've gotten away with it...if it wasn't for those meddling Merlins!

[Battle Mage]

I won't steal the pleasure of the hammer

[Battle Mage]

it's been a fun game - sorry I didn't master the mechanic very well! Nothin' but love from me!

[Battle Mage]

GG

Pretty sure we would have got the team right away.

SirCakez - BM
Manatee - Me
Kerset - Hira

I thought we said there was no way in hell we were ever picking Kerset as a Merlin??

Galron was probably the curveball - I definitely felt he could be a Merlin on Hiraki with his weird interactions over the course of the game.

Cakez - I knew you were my Merlin before I even posted in the game - your Enomis crumbs were more like loaves, and the pressure you put on me to conceal it, although a good strategy. was a little transparent at that stage.

A good win, I think eventually Candles would have cracked it, so glad it ended early!

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Cakez - I knew you were my Merlin before I even posted in the game - your Enomis crumbs were more like loaves, and the pressure you put on me to conceal it, although a good strategy. was a little transparent at that stage.

See this is why this role was so hard
Some people I thought was too obvious and others not enough

q.q

haha it's a hard setup. it took me a while to figure out the right way to play scum here, but it was good fun nonetheless! would definitely be in for a sequel!