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Post #51 (isolation #8) » Wed Sep 13, 2023 8:47 am
Postby Klick »
In post 46, Dannflor wrote:I don’t think it’s even scummy if it was not a real thought but you being so defensive and obfuscatey makes it seem like you are guilty!
I'm not convinced you think this actually correlates with my alignment over just not liking that I'm not answering your questions the way you'd like me to
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Post #56 (isolation #11) » Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:30 am
Postby Klick »
In post 53, Dannflor wrote:i haven't played with you extensively so it could also just be a playstyle thing too
but it is frustrating to me because it's hard to get a picture of where your head is at
It is a playstyle thing
I'm not going to respond very clearly to immediate poking and prodding on thoughts that aren't really even fully formed in my own mind
But my thoughts will wind up being clear at the level you're wanting with some time and space
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Post #58 (isolation #12) » Wed Sep 13, 2023 10:50 am
Postby Klick »
As a more general trend, I'd expect to be seeing less null content from town!Ari in this exchange and more content that I leaned one way on over another
This is a slight lean and more in inference territory and so I'm not hardcore defending it and am also not hugely interested in spending the next page discussing it in depth
Here's an actual thought
You and I seem to actively clash playstyles consistently, at least early on
I don't think this comment actually makes sense if Klick thinks I'm mafia trying to misyeet him - it only makes sense if he thinks I'm town and he's trying to get me to back off.
I don't even think it's accurate because I remember I've worked together fairly well with Klick at least early in the game as our last two games together were;
We were Town/Town in both and I don't remember having any playstyle clashes with him early in the game so it's kind of a ?? defense to me.
You literally spent most of the second half of Hollow Knight tunneling me
And I'm not rereading the Micro atm but I'm pretty sure we were both on each other early
In post 96, SirCakez wrote:
Ari immediately slapping the meta button and being like omg why would Cakez do this doesn't make me want to move my vote
Like Ari herself pointed out that when I pushed her recently it backfired terribly. Why would I immediately repeat the same mistake as scum? But she called me agendaed for it.
I dunno but you've seen me interrogate people who push me so its weird to me you think its unnatural for me to do it to Klick.
Klicks posts didn't even read as a push to me, it looked like page 1 rvs bs. That's why it feels so odd.
In post 222, Lucian wrote:Klick's 217 is bleh. Saying that someone's solving comes from "them trying to figure the game out" is a textbook early-scumhunting sentence that doesn't really inspire confidence I guess. Maybe it's because I can kind of see what Norwee is saying about her recently. Level zero.
When I say 'trying to figure the game out', I'm not just saying Una is doing basic solving motions
Una is posting thoughts and I genuinely believe she believes what she's saying
Post 68 specifically feels like genuine thoughts about the game as opposed to her trying to persuade me that she's town or that Gamma is scum
Klick, why are you voting Ari?
She's done nothing to make me townread her
its basically word for word the same nonsense reasoning he used last time to push me as scum.
I was doing a pretty good job emulating parts of my town play there
The big difference there was I cared a lot more about how my message was received
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Post #178 (isolation #20) » Wed Sep 13, 2023 7:55 pm
Postby Klick »
Aristeia I went into this thinking you weren't that interested in understanding my thought process and were more interested in pushing something you didn't immediately understand
I think you're town but your recent posting reaffirms that for me
Which is why I'm not really engaging with your main point
In post 178, Klick wrote:
Aristeia I went into this thinking you weren't that interested in understanding my thought process and were more interested in pushing something you didn't immediately understand
I think you're town but your recent posting reaffirms that for me
Which is why I'm not really engaging with your main point
I asked you why you thought I was scummy af
you spent an entire day coming up with answers and now you claim it was because you were just joking
You spent and are continuing to spend this entire day suicide tunnelling a slot that you have openly stated you just don't have the patience for
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Post #190 (isolation #24) » Wed Sep 13, 2023 8:16 pm
Postby Klick »
Fair enough
I think Ari cares about her tunnel way more than she would as scum
Cakez feels a lot more confident and free-flowing than I remember seeing him as scum
RH9 is actively not trying to persuade me that he is town in PT
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Post #199 (isolation #27) » Wed Sep 13, 2023 8:30 pm
Postby Klick »
I think we should get actual good opinions and then talk about getting two eliminations instead of one
I think the swinger mechanic played naturally will give us more information early than controlling it by majority
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Post #221 (isolation #28) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 2:12 am
Postby Klick »
Ydrasse your memory is probably accurate but is missing the context of me losing faith in the process of explaining my half-baked thoughts actually being effective at anything helpful
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Post #229 (isolation #31) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 2:18 am
Postby Klick »
In post 224, Ydrasse wrote:
i have a tendency to think that people when they’re mafia wouldn’t do things that i think are bad or poor play like getting really flustered or giving weird answers to things that could be easily avoided but it’s often too much leeway and it backfires
This works in moderation, consider it one data point in a pool of stuff that will happen
I like Mafia as an exercise in understanding people
In post 223, Klick wrote:
That might be true for you but I feel like I'd just get a bunch of question marks and votes from enough people in the game to make it not worth
okay but there’s already a vocal portion of the game (maybe not majority but it feels like it to me) who want to kill you anyways so why not go for it?
It's too early to actually strongly feel that I'm scum instead of just being confused/annoyed
In post 227, Ydrasse wrote:
at what stage of the game do the reads become more like “real”?
Depends on the read really
The Micro Ari linked became real on like Page 3
A good judge of when I've become more serious personally is when I start posting more general reads/read lists/etc
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Post #244 (isolation #34) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 7:01 am
Postby Klick »
In post 190, Klick wrote:RH9 is actively not trying to persuade me that he is town in PT
The only two significant things I've gotten from RH9 in PT are a post mentioning that Dann is towny, and a post significantly later saying he... was all caught up with the thread. Nothing further in terms of reads or anything, just stating that he had read everything.
I found it very towny that he felt comfortable posting that he was caught up without any actual content to follow it up. I don't feel any intent to persuade or manipulate or convince that he's town.
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Post #257 (isolation #36) » Thu Sep 14, 2023 7:27 am
Postby Klick »
This format is actually really annoying
I don't think we're actually going to get two players that a majority of players are satisfied with eliminating simultaneously and is also decently accurate. It's hard enough getting one accurate elimination
In post 196, Klick wrote:
If you're scum you're currently playing town mindset pretty well
Going to work, see y'all later
VOTE: Doctor Drew
I kinda feel like drew has to be a wolf here lmao so I vibe w/ this ig?
Yeah Drew as scum makes sense here
This isn't even worthy of the yellow m&m.
I think history has proven neither of you know my scum game lol.
But I am not exactly town reading yessiree, so have at it.
I still agree with Ari's plan though.
I think it's questionable that there are several players who 'agree with Ari's plan' without any actual opinions
I also think it's questionable that apparently what people wanted from me earlier was evidence of actual thought (on page three) and those people are now not saying anything about the people who 'agree with Ari's plan' without any actual opinions
In post 221, Klick wrote:
Ydrasse your memory is probably accurate but is missing the context of me losing faith in the process of explaining my half-baked thoughts actually being effective at anything helpful
In post 222, Ydrasse wrote:
i mean i would find them helpful even if they were raw if you’re town
In post 223, Klick wrote:
That might be true for you but I feel like I'd just get a bunch of question marks and votes from enough people in the game to make it not worth
i fail to see how this is coming from a town mindset?
you make assumptions about how you're going to be perceived by others, so you don't even try?
seems like you overextended, realized no one was biting on it, realized the heat was coming to you, so you cut offany further discussion before you dug yourself an even bigger hole. are you actually scum bro?
And yet your own assumptions about how town would have to play are clear in this post
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Post #309 (isolation #41) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:14 am
Postby Klick »
In post 306, yessiree wrote:
the difference being im using mine to try to discern alignment of another player, but u were using yours to guess how you are going to be perceived by others, this distinction is significant and imo alignment indicative in ur case
Town can and should also care how they are perceived by others
Whether or not I care how I am perceived by others when I am town is something that is easy to verify
Or if you don't want to do the work there are people in this game that already have that knowledge
I want to respond to this with 'why not ausuka' but that's me feeling grumpy talking and you don't actually deserve that response
Equally I just... don't really feel that Ausuka is towny at all. I'll give her a reread now but like I remember a few of her posts feeling decidedly milquetoast. I'll see if I can find what made me feel that way
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Post #325 (isolation #48) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:02 am
Postby Klick »
On Ali I don't really feel strongly one way or the other atm
Content feels about right for where Ali's focus would be as town but nothing is that stand-out either
In post 21, Klick wrote:
It's a preemptive offensive play when one wasn't really needed
so you think I am preempting you on page one of RVS when I don't need to because?
In post 24, Aristeia wrote:
like why does scum!me need to pre-empt you again? Do you think scum!me would fear town!you ? why?
These were the initial posts that pinged me, but I decided to hold back for a bit (which Dann can verify)
These just don't seem like a natural way to react on literally page one. I know Ari is defensive but these posts just read like they are trying to start something that doesn't exist.
I quite like these posts from Cakez
I try to put myself in scum!Cakez's shoes and think that Cakez isn't particularly worried about coming off as unnatural himself
I think he's speaking from a perspective of genuinely considering the best place for his vote for legitimate reasons
I think either Cakez is scum specifically and blatantly trying to portray that kind of consideration with confidence, or else Cakez is just town
In post 96, SirCakez wrote:
Ari immediately slapping the meta button and being like omg why would Cakez do this doesn't make me want to move my vote
Like Ari herself pointed out that when I pushed her recently it backfired terribly. Why would I immediately repeat the same mistake as scum? But she called me agendaed for it.
In post 98, SirCakez wrote:
Like Ari herself pointed out that when I pushed her recently it backfired terribly. Why would I immediately repeat the same mistake as scum? But she called me agendaed for it.
like are you actually making the case "hey i did this thing of shitpushing Ari as scum" and she absolutely murdered me for it.
thus i would not do it again because it ended so badly!
Also ari who has already experienced being shitpushed by me as scum on D1 has no reason to suspect I would do the same move again because it failed last time.
Like that's some pretty hideous logic.
if I know you have the capability of making a shitpush d1 as scum on me, you doing it again is the first thing I suspect because you've shown a capacity and preference for it in the past.
This doesn't make any sense. I'm not great at mafia but I'm not bad enough to the point where I'm going to repeat a tactic that failed like two months ago. Do you really think I came in here as scum with a game plan to immediately stir shit with you? What kind of plan would that be? What would my goal even be? We both know that I'm not going to be able to get anywhere close to elimming you by myself
In post 119, SirCakez wrote:
I don't even have a take on Klicks push itself honestly, it seems pretty mid to me and it's not a factor in my read on Ari
The main vibe I get from Cakez is 'confident' and that's not really the impression I have of his scum play and I can buy it as town
I guess a bit, in the sense that I'm not really convinced she's town by any of her content
She seems to be forming opinions and then posting about them after they're formed which I always struggle to see as towny
In post 326, Klick wrote:
I want more content from Drew, I feel like Drew is frozen out of the game atm.
Rvs moved quick and then everyone was on you, didn't vibe with me....and ya, the game ain't vibing with me so far.
So, do you scum read me or yess(or both)?
I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a red flip from either of you
So you were able to ascertain I am scum despite me being 'frozen out of the game'?
I think you're decently likely to be scum yeah and feeling like you're frozen is part of that
I also feel like you're reacting really defensively to me expressing a bit of suspicion around your slot, when you agree that you've been a bit disconnected
Like, surely it makes some sense to you that I have reservations around your slot?
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Post #339 (isolation #56) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:07 pm
Postby Klick »
Or maybe 'defensively' is the wrong word
It's like I've pushed a button and you want to press some sort of counterattack when I've essentially said you *could* be scum pretty easily
I kind of town read the indignant tone in Cakez' posting
it's not a great read and probably a better avenue is to see how often he makes that kind of frustrated rage quit post as either alignment but that's the fuzzy feels i'm getting right now
This is pretty similar to what I said about Cakez earlier yeah
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Post #370 (isolation #60) » Fri Sep 15, 2023 1:09 pm
Postby Klick »
Anyway when I said 'I align with Dann' I didn't mean that I think we share an alignment (though that's also where I'm at atm)
I meant that I find myself in a very similar headspace
He seems to have an accurate read on my actions as well