Eminence in Shadow: Season 1 [Game Over]

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But i'll leave that to you guys to decide.

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Well i guess i should probably claim and explain, specially since im probably dying next.

i mean - yeah - that would be nice since all i got right is "trust me"

I received a Watcher power from Cid.

Night 1 i watched Kyouko and they were visited by Pooky and only Pooky, as that day had 2 deaths i thought there was the possibility that Pooky was a vig, which is why i was giving him space and wanted a claim, it's probably right that a vig pooky would believe that they could be guiltied by multiple roles, like tracker, watcher or gunsmith and would have probably explained that there could be a reason for a guilty. In hindsight i didnt need to push that harder that day, but it didnt matter because...

Night 2 i watched STD and they were visited again, by Pooky and only Pooky, this is interesting coz scum knew nothing about my guilty but Gamma was confscum, so why didnt Gamma make the kill? I also didnt get roleblocked either, which probably means scum has no way of roleblocking, and means im probably dying next.
The fact that Gamma didnt commit the kill and Pooky did must be significant enough to risk Pooky getting guiltier over my vague statement yday. Means that Gamma probably has some useful role enough to risk Pooky making the NK, even tho we already saw what Gamma did yday.

Which leaves me with "wtf", but if Pooky is the only one with a useless role then it makes sense and forces scum to sacrifice another role to commit the NK tonight.
Of course this is all about scum roles is speculation on my part, could just probably just go for Gamma but considering Gamma was probably getting eliminated tonight he's used any useful roles he already has. Pooky however has killed on Nights 1 and 2 and hasnt used any power role he might have unless scum have multitasking, then all this theory goes out of the window.

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Now the fact that Gamma was force replaced due to ban makes it a shitty situation.
On the positive side whoever replaces can just coast anyway since it's not like they can do much so, on that end, I dont really mind going Pooky first.

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I'll let you guys decide, i don't mind since im probably dying tonight either way, you have all my info now.
But i think the fact that Pooky hasnt used a role (again, unless multitasking which is not something i can find out on my own), probably means he's either a goon, or was thinking of using it tonight hoping for Gamma to die first.

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My point is.
If you think pooky committing NK twice means he's a goon, go Gamma first.
If you think pooky committing NK twice means he was holding onto his PR until a useful time, go Pooky first.
Im personally leaning on the later, but im not an expert at Mech so...

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what scum role gets more useful later in the game?

Idk tbh, or rather im too lazy to think of anything right now.

I'm just gonna go play some touhou instead for now.

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Playing your hand like this is unnecessary

I mean im likely dead tonight anyway so i dont see a reason to delay the information further.

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I would guess the mafia have some kind of role that allows them to look like another player while committing kills which explains why I keep showing up at the murder scene

Isn't that a bastard mehcanic? Pretty sure moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated check was a No.
You're just scum.

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Oh and for the record, no chance of redirection either.

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Not that it would've mattered since you claiming VT means you wouldnt be visiting anyone, but just in case i figured i'd throw that out there.

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I would guess the mafia have some kind of role that allows them to look like another player while committing kills which explains why I keep showing up at the murder scene

Isn't that a bastard mehcanic? Pretty sure moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated check was a No.
You're just scum.

well this just depends on what your definition of "reasonably anticipated" is.

if you watch the anime a major plot point was the evil people going around commiting crimes and pretending to be shadow garden etc and framing shadow in the kidnapping of princess alexia etc.

Sounds like a regular game of mafia to me, an informed minority pretending to be part of the uninformed majority.
However i will say if "reasonably anticipated" means "I must have watched the anime to figure out if this could be a moderator lie" doesnt look like "reasonably anticipated" to me and it's... kinda flavor gating too.

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Playing your hand like this is unnecessary

I mean im likely dead tonight anyway so i dont see a reason to delay the information further.

It's called a last will

I get it, but i didnt wanna risk scum having an ability that messes with last wills. Idk STD enough to know if his last will is something he'd write or it's something scum put in themselves.

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But yeah Pooky making the kill here might just imply strongman

I didnt even think of that, good catch.

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I'll say that i agree with those 2 as potential last scum, i had Cakez too but i think both Gamma and Pooky scum make that very unlikely.

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I cannot believe this town that I love so much would choose to vote me out over a claimed mafioso but c'est la vie

You're scum too you know.
But let's assume for a moment that you're right and scum are framing you in some way or form, what in your posting makes you town? The biggest thing you've done are your spat with Klick and Dunn, in which scenario i thought at first you were town, then your case on Dunnstral and he flipped town. After which all you've done is complain about scum framing you and town voting you over Gamma.

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lol good point

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Well vanillize is always unfun, at the very least im basically an IC now.

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T3 is in a PT with me after he neighbourised me with BCG's neighbouriser and seems very much like he is solving

Why do you bring this up?

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I'll say it's a lot easier to fool one person rather than... whatever many others in the thread right now. And if he is solving in a PT, why cant he solve in the main thread? (Disclaimer: i havent checked T3's ISO lately)

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Wheme and Ceph/tired person make sense as scum to me

What led you to this conclusion?
Do you not trust STD's read on Ceph?

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2096 is kinda weird after 2093

@T3:

What was your conclusion after posting 2137 and 2138?

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Also why did you neighborize jjh?

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ssbm_Kyouko
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Whemestar
Klick
KawaiiKame
Luka
Pookythemagicalbear


Cephrir
jjh927
Save the Dragons
Gamma Emerald
Dunnstral
SirCakez


Alisae
T3
Penguinpower

as is I have my preferences in this order for viable wagons at this point:

PP>dunn>alisae>jjh

and then if t3 was to become a flashwagon I would put that above dunn

Why would BCG give a neighborizer to their scumread?

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idk whemestar just looks unreadable to me.
Why do u want him to claim today when we already got confscum to eliminate?

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So currently 7:3, after today 7:2, after tonight 6:2. that gives us roughly and unfortunately 1 more miselim huh, also we're at evens which is annoying.

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So here's the thing.
Pooky was a 2-shot vig, obviously we know where the scum kill and vig shot went Night 1. And we know pooky killed STD, however we don't know if that was pooky's 2nd vig shot or the factional night kill, and if it was the vig shot, where did the factional night kill go?
I bet scum wants to find out the cause of that factional night kill going missing.

Other option is Pooky just did factional night kill instead of vig shot and died with 1 vig shot left.

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What we do get is that this is the only possible truth

No, the other possible truth is you're both scum and gambiting.
However even if you're not lying about the neighborhood that doesnt mean T3 or you are town (but i doubt you're both scum if said neighborhood indeed exists)

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Koba probably thought the benefits of getting a PT with town!jjh in D1's position were very high

He gave it to T3 not jjh, T3 neighborized jjh

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Presumably according to them anyway.

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What we do get is that this is the only possible truth

No, the other possible truth is you're both scum and gambiting.
However even if you're not lying about the neighborhood that doesnt mean T3 or you are town (but i doubt you're both scum if said neighborhood indeed exists)

You mean a highly counterclaimable scenario, got it

It's not counterclaimable if he gave it to kyouko who also died N1.

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However i admit it's purely speculation on my part, but i'm sorry i cant take you at your word that said neighborhood exists.

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How would scum know that

It's a gambit after all, and could predict it based off BCG's reads, alternatively whoever received could've also died before today. Either way it's not out of the question, but scum knows that it cannot be disproven mechanically with me vanillized and the tracker dead unless there's a follower or voyeur that saw it, or a PT cop or something.

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But fine, i know at least one of you 3 has to be town, I just rather it be said because it's something that scum could do, and i'm predisposed to doubt a lot of things right now because i was vanillized instead of killed which leads me to believe scum doesnt care about my solving or my reads.

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Did the vanillaise take place before or after you got a watcher result

After, however i'm not outing the result until we get more claims, it's pretty pointless to do so coz i could catch someone in a lie.

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And i'll do as Alisae said and just put my result on my last will i guess.

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But fine, i know at least one of you 3 has to be town, I just rather it be said because it's something that scum could do, and i'm predisposed to doubt a lot of things right now because i was vanillized instead of killed which leads me to believe scum doesnt care about my solving or my reads.

In the past when I've seen a basically confirmed town PR not be killed, barring weird mech reasons, it has almost only ever been because they have had extremely poor reads, yes.

I mean i've seen ICs not killed for having poor reads. And considering the vanillize was public guess scum would rather me be an IC than a Watcher or a dead player.

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From my perspective I thought it was pretty definitely Alisae but maybe scum might think it was me because I was trying to play like I was

Well scum certainly knew pooky got a shadow blessing

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Speaking of:

Diabolus Cult will have day talk. The Diabolus cult may continue discussing the game with their comrades after their death (they will not be added to spectator thread)

Pooky is still helping their team btw.

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These were my reads going into the night btw:

jh927 - lean-town
Party Boat - Confirmed Scum
Alisae - lean-town
SirCakez - Town.
Klick - Dunno anymore.
Whemestar - lean-town
tired person - Town
Penguinpower - lean-scum
Katsuki - Town
T3 - lean-scum

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I've only been vocal about scumreading T3 and PP, however it's possible at least one of those is town.
The gladiate from D2 is still bugging my mind, specially now that i know Cid didn't give power to Gamma.

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Like i know balance isnt guaranteed although that's probably from the perspective of Cid potentially giving powers to scum.
But would really there be a scum ability that allows scum to kill 1 of 2 chosen townies during the day effectively getting 2 nights in a row with a shot that can eliminate one of two townies?
Somehow that feels off to me, which has caused me to get suspicious of Klick.

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Like sure we caught 2 scum during that night too, but that's... just kinda lucky considering we're uninformed.

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Why do you think Wheme is town?

Most of it is based off what other people like Alisae had said about him.

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I think it's entirely possible that this game contains bullshit

Do you think we're doing well? We only got 1 miselim left and we're at evens you know, despite having caught 2 scum N1...

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Well, do we not know that Gamma specifically did the gladiate? How would Klick getting the power from Cid mean that Gamma does the gladiate?

That's how he got caught, STD tracked him specifically to both Klick and Luka

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As for the other half, i just think it's more balanced if scum has to include a teammate in the gladiate, of course i guess that might just be me trying to outguess the mod.
Ugh

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I think it's entirely possible that this game contains bullshit

Do you think we're doing well? We only got 1 miselim left and we're at evens you know, despite having caught 2 scum N1...

I think Alisae should have revealed earlier based on the role PM

While i agree, day 2 we couldnt have eliminated Alisae and Day 3 we went onto Pooky, which if Pooky hadnt used vig shot it was probably the correct way to go either way.

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Well, do we not know that Gamma specifically did the gladiate? How would Klick getting the power from Cid mean that Gamma does the gladiate?

That's how he got caught, STD tracked him specifically to both Klick and Luka

Well yes, but did you not say that you're suspicious of Klick because you think he got the gladiate power?? Or am I misunderstanding something.

I did.
If scum has to put a teammate in the gladiate that means one of Klick or Luka would be scum and Luka flipped town.
But once again that's me outguessing the mod, and im probably still alive for doing stupid stuff like that.

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Ugh, this game is starting to get on my nerves i should probably stop playing so seriously.

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I was kinda hoping to be dead already

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It might be that pooky did use the vig kill on Alisae and it failed

Pooky wasnt multitasking so no.

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Please make sure wheme claims because he definitely needs to

I dont think he

needs

to, but i dont think there's a point in hiding anymore if he's town. Scum already know all PRs

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Do you have opinions on my play that back up your thoughts on the setup?

I thought your entrance to the game was a bit one dimmensional, and other than your case on kawaii I havent seen anything that jumps at me that says "wow so town". And literally the only reason i had for townreading you was "Why would scum eliminate a potential miselim in Kawaii like that"

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It might be that pooky did use the vig kill on Alisae and it failed

Pooky wasnt multitasking so no.

I just assume multitasking generally speaking but sure, if we go down that route then why do you think pooky didn't use both of his vig shots
Did he vig on n1 and then do the scum nightkill on n2 without using his vig?

Either that, or he used his 2nd vig shot on N2 and the scum factional kill went missing, which is looking likelier now that i think about it.

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Imagine this scenario, scum shoots the 2 people that got guilties, but one of them survives and uses that info to guilty more the other person. Scum has no reason to shoot me again and expect it to succeed so they vanillize me instead coz they dont know where the interference is.
Now that Alisae dropped all the PR'd players, scum knows.

There's 2 scenarios.
Whemestar is a roleblocker that blocked Gamma N2 making the factional kill.
Whemestar is a doctor that healed me N2.

And i'm gonna be very mad if it's the former and you'll know why later.

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Okay but is there any reason I'm scum

I feel like my interactions with Pooky on D1 are more clearing than the D2 nomination thing frankly

You're right, I forgot i townread you for that as well.

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I probably mentioned it somewhere and forgot coz i started doubting my entire reads

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Your spec is off

Also, new question

Why didn't pooky just claim the vig

He didnt know the nature of the guilty, coz i was very vague D2 and he just claimed VT instead.

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Once i had seem him visiting STD during N2, there was no way he could claim vig coz no Town Vig would've shot the person who caught scum Gamma.

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I would've still eliminated pooky D3 even if he had claimed vigging STD for any reason. Because that's not a town action.

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I think jjh has been very much talking like he's town today and yesterday and I'm inclined to trust his T3 read

I think Penguin/Wheme/tired person wins the game

The lazy in me wants to take this, and i probably want to become lazy coz i cant be arsed with this game anymore. I feel like I keep trying to figure out things but they end up being ideas too outlandish.
Losing 4 town in a row without any ability to stop it whatsoever didnt help.

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Anyway i'll wait until Wheme claims then Klick can claim and then i'll vote boat.

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Oh yeah i forgot Bingle, i should give him time to catch up too.

Also i cant believe people want to be uncooperative when we only have 1 miselim left, but that's life I guess, all i got left are conspirancy theories because i cant explain otherwise how my reads are wrong enough to be alive.

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VOTE: JJH

While i dont mind you expressing your scumread, why are you voting for someone outside of the confirmed scum. And even then, probably better to not rush the day.

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it gets used specifically in limbo as an I win button.

Well i would like to assume the mod would include a "cant be used in Xilo/whatever it's called nowadays" clause, but still taking away town agency in the elimination to force a town elimination for a day feels shitty.

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bingle are you scum?

Klick says no due to <kawaii meta reasons>

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That sounds... stupid. Do you think Bingle's gonna come and say "Yes i'm scum"?
I'm always confused why people ask these things.

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Ok fine, since everyone's mad at my conspirancy theories and attempts at solve i'll just continue trusting my gut reads from Night 3 and leave it at that.

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I'll be happy if i was right on something postgame and that's enough for me.

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As for the other half, i just think it's more balanced if scum has to include a teammate in the gladiate, of course i guess that might just be me trying to outguess the mod.
Ugh

There’s a strong non balance reason that’s likely true, btw.

If scum can limit the lik pool to two town players as a power once, it gets used specifically in limbo as an I win button. If scum can do it multiple times they legitimately autowin d1.

So, what, scum decided that they would risk sacrificing Klick just in order to get Luka limmed?

I mean, they dont need to sacrifice anyone if people keep arguing against the logic that one of the 2 had to be scum.

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As for the other half, i just think it's more balanced if scum has to include a teammate in the gladiate, of course i guess that might just be me trying to outguess the mod.
Ugh

There’s a strong non balance reason that’s likely true, btw.

If scum can limit the lik pool to two town players as a power once, it gets used specifically in limbo as an I win button. If scum can do it multiple times they legitimately autowin d1.

So, what, scum decided that they would risk sacrificing Klick just in order to get Luka limmed?

I mean, they dont need to sacrifice anyone if people keep arguing against the logic that one of the 2 had to be scum.

One of Klick/Luka had to go Day 2 no matter what, are scum really going to risk a deepwolf like Klick dying just to get Luka limmed?

I see your point, but Klick would have a higher chance of winning against Luka than say... Pooky or Gamma.

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Klick didn't try to keep himself alive

He didnt argue against Luka dying very hard either.

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I'm still mad a friggin Jailkeeper decided to get themselves elimmed instead.

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All of the important interactions are on the lengthy day 1 and all the mech started from Day 2.
Day 2 begins with a gladiate resulting in Klick and Luka being the only elminable people, the text from the mod indicated this was done by the Cult (scum faction) and Gamma said that this would indeed be a scum move, right after STD comes saying that he tracked Gamma to Klick and Luka, and then Gamma just went and "So how's the weather?" and "Kinda dislike that i wont be going to the spectator PT" or something, so basically he admitted to being scum caught.
The same day i claimed a mech guilty on Pooky but didnt specify what it was and Pooky said "nothing in my role PM indicates i could be guilty'd of something" and then says that he had the same role PM as dunn minus the character, effectively claiming VT.
Klick at some point mentions his PR is minor and doesnt mind going, then Luka wants to go instead, and Luka ends up getting eliminated and flips Jailkeeper.
Day 3, Everyone starts voting Gamma because he got banned, but i propose to go for Pooky first, after a few pages i full claim Watcher that saw Pooky visiting Kyouko N1 and STD N2, and then Pooky just starts arguing like scum disguising themselves, i also claim that redirection is imposible just in case, then we eliminate Pooky who indeed flips scum.
And that brings us to today.

The list submitted by Alisae is the list of people e gave Shadow blessings to, they are PRs but arent guaranteed to be town, all of them are flipped or claimed except Klick and Wheme as far as i remember.

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Now here's the thing, there were 2 deaths N1, Pooky was a scum 2-shot vig, so that makes sense, but only 1 death on N2, and i know Pooky was behind it.

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Then there's BCG who was an inventor and left in his last will that he gave out a neighborizer but not to who, jjh claims that T3 received said neighborizer and used it on him.

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Now as an aside on D1 there were
BCG claiming confidently that they could soul-read Kyouko, which was correct both were town.
STD claiming confidently that Cephrir (now tired person) is town based on some meta shenanigans i dont remember right now.
Klick claiming confidently due to meta that your (Bingle) slot is town based on one of your predecesor's (Kawaii) meta.

Pooky's interactions D1 can be summarized as:
Entering trying to flirt with me, then Cross busing with Gamma then saying im town coz of rejecting his flirting.
Cakez entering voting RVS then immediately switching to Pooky.
Pooky continuing to argue with Gamma, then switching to Cakez to "give Gamma some space(?)" something like that.
Now from here my memory of events is a bit hazy but.
Dont remember anything from Pooky standing out until Klick comes into play and sees that Pooky, STD and PP voting the same wagons together or something and seeing it as a unit, and mentioning that they were already independently scummy.
Then Pooky arguing that such a thing doesnt make them scum and well some big argument with Klick focusing on them voting together, while Klick mentions that wasnt even the major part of the reason to suspect them or something(?), i guess Klick can remember that better than me.
Then Dunn comes in and suspects Pooky for focusing on that single thing.
Then Pooky argues that this is how he scumhunts by focusing on the reasons people suspect him.
And from there i dont remember much from Pooky until his Dunn case, where he says that Dunn not doing anything to help his townread (Cakez) is indicative of scum Dunn. To which i counter saying that Dunn hadn't posted since before that wagon even appeared.
Then after a bit i realize Dunn was commiting Elitell and decide to vote him then, and Gamma mentions that Elitell works on Dunn.

There are a lot more things but that's what i remember from Pooky mostly.

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Well hopefully that helps

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I definitely suggest you read Day 1 when you have enough time, since it's pretty long, Day 2 and 3 are pretty short due to all the mech shenanigans that occured.

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So Bingle did u finish reading yet?

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So Bingle did u finish reading yet?

Waves hand noncommitally.

I’ve read the first 20 pages and about 60 overall but it’s likely I missed things. Is there anything specific you want my opinion on?

I was more curious about your reads and mech thoughts than anything, since you supposedly were gonna read it all.

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Always. Eliminate. Known. Scum. First

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Even if scum have any leftover factional abilities, doubt they are gonna be any more dangerous than what we've seen so far.

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Going for Unknown scum is probably even more dangerous.
This is just an extreme scenario but, assume on top of Pooky's vig granted by Cid, Scum also has another factional vig and could kill 2 townies tonight, if you miselim today we'd just straight up lose the game (well i guess probably not since we're at evens, but that's not the point).

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Like what else is scum even gonna do? Klick's PR is supposedly useless, i'm already vanillized, there's not much else that could be dangerous to scum PR wise at this point.

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Do we have a reason to believe scum have 4 factional abilities and each scum can use each only once?
If that is the case, and just in that assumption, Pooky never used his, so the Vanillize came from one of the remaining scum, you'd be hunting for the exact 1 scum that hasnt used one.
And even if pooky used his, you're in the same situation.
It's not worth the risk.

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Do we know Gamma is a goon? I thought the gladiate was a factional ability?
It's possible all of them are goons and all of them just can use factional abilities and only get actual PRs out of Cid.

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Like if it's a factional ability i dont see how it would be restricted to each scum only using one per game.
I can see the factional abilities being 1-Shot, I dont see how it precludes Boat from using another factional ability if the Gladiate was one.
Furthermore, assuming scum can have PRs outside of Cid's power we dont know if Boat has an actual PR, all we know is Gamma used a Gladiate, whether it was his PR or a factional ability is another thing.

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You're going on a lot of assumptions here to try to derail the elmination from Boat and that's very sus to me.

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Was looking into the wording, but i think you're putting too much enphasis into specific wording:

Ninja JOAT
Abilities: You can use one of the following abilities at night

Which reminded me that STD was a JOAT and not a tracker lol, so i guess he could've roleblocked the kill or bodyguarded me and just died from pooky + whoever killed me, or bodyguarded someone else.

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This ALSO reminds me, that i made an oof, i know that kyouko wasnt visited by BCG so she couldnt have received the neighborizer, woops, i guess i got too focused on pooky that i forgot.

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This ALSO reminds me, that i made an oof, i know that kyouko wasnt visited by BCG so she couldnt have received the neighborizer, woops, i guess i got too focused on pooky that i forgot.

what? did i miss where you said that she did?

I didnt specifically said that she did, but when we were discussing T3 who was BCG's scumread, receiving the neighborizer i theorized that such a thing was very unlikely and that i would think he'd give it to kyouko who was his top townread, but now i remember that if he did i would've seen him visiting kyouko.

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Ok i guess it's time for night then
VOTE: Party Boat

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I guess Whemestar is the only unclaimed one left.

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Member when I promised to read over the night phase? Well, about that……



Zoidberg noises.

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Member when I promised to read over the night phase? Well, about that……



Zoidberg noises.

If it makes you feel any better I had both the ability and the intention to devote yesterday to reading and just… didn’t.

No, that makes it worse.

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Everyone’s a VT unless your scum who’s going to claim a VT or if you get a power from Ali so why would we ever claim what our powers do because it literally does not matter what they do it only matters if we have them or not.

And scum already knows u have power coz Ali leaked all of the powers e gave so...

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As someone once said:
It takes minutes to paraphrase your role pm, but crafting a fake role PM takes an eternity.

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Everyone’s a VT unless your scum who’s going to claim a VT or if you get a power from Ali so why would we ever claim what our powers do because it literally does not matter what they do it only matters if we have them or not.

And scum already knows u have power coz Ali leaked all of the powers e gave so...

So why would I tell them what my power does?

Personally i dont care what your power does if it hasnt found scum...

If you're town

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It's doesn't look like it's been useful for anything either way.

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Well I guess the best i can do is trust Ali made a good judgment on your alignment because we dont necessarily have the elminations to spare and scum will probably kill you if you're town so.
VOTE: jjh

[Sakura Hana]

You're going on a lot of assumptions here to try to derail the elmination from Boat and that's very sus to me.

[Sakura Hana]

You see Sakura I also thought of voting Jjh but then I thought that T3 is prob scum and then I don’t think scum t3 neighborizes scum jjh ya know

Why do you think they are telling the truth about using the neighborizer.

[Sakura Hana]

Don't forget Pooky is a scum matermind and is still helping them out i dont trust any claims i cant confirm right now.

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah that’s a possibility but what else would scum use it for

Or they dont use it at all, and try to play it like that, or he did use it on a partner, like there's a lot of explanations.
Sure it's also possible he neighborized jjh coz he figured it'd be easier to fool one person specially when jjh comes into the thread saying "t3 neighborized me and he's solving in the hood so he's town". However Klick flipped town, and Klick had a strong meta argument for Kawaii that became Bingle, and Bingle seems to know jjh well enough to think this is his scum game, on top of that, i dont have any good feels of how jjh tried to derail the elimination from boat yday.
I do scumread T3 independently of jjh.

[Sakura Hana]

What doesn't?

[Sakura Hana]

Well it's looking like it's gonna be impossible to eliminate either jjh or T3 today huh

[Sakura Hana]

Oh yeah, we're at evens
VOTE: No Elimination

[Sakura Hana]

Oh yeah, we're at evens
VOTE: No Elimination

Is there any value to limming someone today and then no limming tomorrow? Because there are 8 alive and not 6.

I don't really wanna discuss my reasoning right now coz otherwise the point of no limming becomes moot.

[Sakura Hana]

Going for Unknown scum is probably even more dangerous.
This is just an extreme scenario but, assume on top of Pooky's vig granted by Cid, Scum also has another factional vig and could kill 2 townies tonight, if you miselim today we'd just straight up lose the game (well i guess probably not since we're at evens, but that's not the point).

Why did you consider this a viable argument in the last day phase

It's what happens when you try to outguess the mod. Anything is possible, it's better to go for known scum specially when we dont know what scum can or cant do at night.

[Sakura Hana]

If you'd told me you wanted to no lim in this day phase then I'd have been in strong support of limming party boat

It's only something that i decided today, i didnt even know if we would've been able to No Lim so i confirmed that with the mod first.

[Sakura Hana]

This does however, create the 4th consecutive day of nothing mattering

Sorry, maybe i should have taken a little longer and didnt think that through.

[Sakura Hana]

I can still talk and scumhunt, but i'm still no limming today.
I'll just say i dont have a solid reason for scumreading you T3, it's just kinda, it feels kinda off you know, your posting i mean. And Alisae installed into my head the fact that you cant be trusted ever, which has made me very wary of like everything.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm explicitly fine with Wheme not claiming, btw.

me too

[Sakura Hana]

whemestar should never claim here.

i'm fine with voting either t3 or penguin. no limming when we have a confirmed town is a bad idea since all it does is get rid of the confirmed town. in fact our highest ev play here is to just sheep sakura on whomever she thinks is scum, since that guarantees we're not sheeping scum.

I doubt scum are going to shoot the person they vanillized, clearly they had no issue making me vanilla in public which means im not a threat to them only my role was.

[Sakura Hana]

They still got Wheme's role to deal with, if i die over that then that's fine lol.
As for who i want to kill, im not confident in anyone right now, i'd say T3 but even that's a long shot.

[Sakura Hana]

I have a hard time reading games i'm not a part of. But now that you mention it, i've been using Anything Upick as a base which is the only game of yours and jjh i remember.

[Sakura Hana]

Fair warning, now that Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth is out, my time for mafia is gonna be reduced, i'll still at least read and post once a day tho

[Sakura Hana]

I was tempted to hammer T3 and go into night to have more time but that wouldnt be a good reason to hammer.
There's a good point about dueling wagons on D1 making PP likely scum.
I guess the 2 possible worlds are JJH/Wheme and T3/PP, is what people are getting at?
I'll try to think about it in my sleep i guess.

[Sakura Hana]

I believe, that wheme resolves itself so T3 it is.
VOTE: T3

[Sakura Hana]

If this flips town then we really need to no lim tomorrow btw.

[Sakura Hana]

Although im a bit scared of what else the scum may have that may cause an instant loss, ugh.

[Sakura Hana]

No, I said I would vote you if it wasn't the e-1 vote.

Well now it's not.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok
VOTE: PP

[Sakura Hana]

UNVOTE:
Hmm is this something Gamma says to a partner?

VOTE: T3
how about we just kill this, I feel like he's reacting to all the wrong things and in all the wrong ways

[Sakura Hana]

Across Ceph's posting, he only ever voted, Pooky, Gamma and T3.
Moreover:

STD won't give away whatever magic keys he has to reading me, I don't have a clue how he does it but I have to admit his accuracy has been remarkable thus far

Ceph is good at efforting and trying hard as scum

He feels more relaxed here and open with his thoughts

He also gets annoyed or tilted easily on here (Sorry babe) and he has had personal frustration leak into the game to a point where he was sassing gamma and later apologized for it. I don't think scum cephrir does that. But town cephrir can be more biting because he's not worried about drawing negative attention to himself.

My natural inclination is to scumread cephrir. The fact I can townread him so easily makes me just think he's really town here

Ugh now I'm nostalgic for the days when people were actually scared of me

Would this be a scum Ceph's reaction to STD's read on him?

[Sakura Hana]

Ceph got pretty frustrated with Gamma, doesnt look like partners.
I'm happy binning TP as town.

[Sakura Hana]

I guess T3 could still be scum then.
So it's 2 out of T3/jjh/Wheme.

[Sakura Hana]

And since Wheme self resolves anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

I voted PP earlier partly out of frustration.
But there's some true to the story that it seemed like Pooky didnt care if PP got elimmed instead of Dunn.
realistically if the last 2 scum are in jjh/Wheme/T3 then we auto win. The only other potential scum candidate is PP, but im less certain on that.
Cakez and TP are cleared based on associations with flipped scum, TP doubly so due to STD's meta assesment of Ceph.
Bingle is cleared via Kawaii's meta.
Anyone has any objections to this?

[Sakura Hana]

We only got 1 miselim left, so if we can figure out 1 town out of wheme/T3/PP/jjh, then that helps.
This is why i didnt want to analyze things there was a real chance scum would shoot a town!wheme due to being the last town PR.
But since we're going this route i might as well do the homework.

[Sakura Hana]

Me claiming probably makes me town but I don’t want to claim as it helps scum

I'm not going to argue you over it, but think about the consequences.
If you don't claim today and we eliminate town today and i get NK'd, then you're going to have to claim tomorrow on melo and no way to verify whether your claim is truthful or not, and no 2nd chances coz you cant miselim anymore.
Unless your claim is something that will undoubtedly show you as town remember that there's the chance that people wont buy your claim on melo, and scum will definitely do whatever to discredit you for the reasons i outlined earlier.

Moreover assuming i'm not making a mistake on the people im clearing if your claim does verify you as town, this game is basically autowin and your role is probably useless past that point anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

Regardless today's elimination should be within jjh/T3/PP, unless anyone has any objections to my prior post.

[Sakura Hana]

I kind of find it hard to find this interaction as SvS

I can see that this is obviously not going to work so I'll stop. I mean, not that I was really trying very hard. the above concern they will actually go through is very not founded though, there are so many of you just desperate to do anything to keep this unpleasant person around which is odd but whatever.

VOTE: pooky

Who are you calling unpleasant???

I find it hard to believe you can't piece this together so I think this is probably you starting shit

I can see that this is obviously not going to work so I'll stop. I mean, not that I was really trying very hard. the above concern they will actually go through is very not founded though, there are so many of you just desperate to do anything to keep this unpleasant person around which is odd but whatever.

VOTE: pooky

Who are you calling unpleasant???

I find it hard to believe you can't piece this together so I think this is probably you starting shit

Based on the vote I thought you meant pooky but I quickly thought it might have been BCG
KEEP IN MIND: I made in a mod error in my last completed game I ran because someone ranted about shit that had zero consequence on their night action in the NA submission PM! So

yes

, I really do need this shit clarified!

Sorry, I was annoyed when I wrote that post

[Sakura Hana]

I'm just in the space where there are so few roles townWheme could have that CAN'T potentially fuck scum here that I'm happy with the threat being its own payoff.

Fine, guess you'll deal with that tomorrow.

[Sakura Hana]

I guess i'm done, out of the 3, T3's the closest to lim i guess
VOTE: T3

[Sakura Hana]

Process of Elimination shouldnt fail here, i think there's a lot more worlds were Ceph's interactions with flipped scum make him town than not.
Only outlier is Cakez, as i dont know how hard would Pooky hard bus his team and Cakez likes busing, but then it'd mean Pooky literally cross bused with 2 teammates.

[Sakura Hana]

Across Ceph's posting, he only ever voted, Pooky, Gamma and T3.

I don't think Ceph ever voted me - didn't he also vote BCG at one point??

I meant jjh, woops

[Sakura Hana]

Across Ceph's posting, he only ever voted, Pooky, Gamma and T3.

I don't think Ceph ever voted me - didn't he also vote BCG at one point??

I meant jjh, woops

Usually scum exclusively or almost exclusively voting all their partners is more indicative of TMI than anything else

That would mean TP+jjh scum, which doesnt seem likely.

[Sakura Hana]

Ceph's emotion felt genuine but on balance it's only a little +town

Doubtful

[Sakura Hana]

If that emotion is genuine, then that's town frustration. That's not the type of emotion you feel with a partner. If it's with a partner it's scum teather and fake.

[Sakura Hana]

Anyway, i'll just say that i'll trust any assesment from T3/PP/jjh less than from Bingle, Cakez, TP.
If anything any objections provided by the former 3 will be met with a lot more scrutiny coz it could very well be scum trying to insert more suspects into the pool to avoid town obtaining autowin path.

For now back to the Yakuza rabbit hole i go.

[Sakura Hana]

wait i misread wheme's softclaim.

which one?

[Sakura Hana]

jjh and t3 claiming to be neighbors when both are scum makes me smile

me too

[Sakura Hana]

Wheme's soft seems to imply he redirected BCG to T3, so T3 did get a neighborizer.
Now the question is whether he used it on JJH or they are both just scum, since scum knew where the neighborizer was, there's no danger of counterclaim.

[Sakura Hana]

With the knowledge that T3 did indeed receive that neighborhood courtesy of Wheme's redirection i find it harder to justify neighborizing a partner making jjh less likely scum, of course it could also be some sort of mastermind plan by Pooky, so if at all i'd prefer to ignore the neighborhood entirely, but Wheme's and T3's flips make that harder. But overall i'm not sure his play matches what i remember from Anything Upick.
SirCakez is a hard sort for me because if he's scum that means Pooky crossbussed with 2 teammates early on, however i know this is possible for SirCakez to do, and apparently it's something Pooky is capable of doing as well. It's just a matter of in that gamestate if that's really what happened.
jjh i've had gut scum pings throughout majority of the game, i specially disliked the "T3 is solving in the neighborhood so he's town", however my issue here is that may have been T3's goal, coz as it's usually said, it's easier to fool 1 person than... however many townies alive were at the time.
PP i've had the opposite, i've had gut town pings, but the play seems more scummy than towny.
TP is someone i have a hard time placing by play, but by predecesor i find it hard to believe Gamma vs Ceph was SvS and T3 seemed interested in dismantling that notion so im inclined to believe i'm right on this.
Bingle i'm not sure how to read so i'm just placing him as town because of the Kawaii meta that Klick provided us.

So with that in mind
jjh > PP > Cakez > TP > Bingle

Scummiest to Towniest is where i stand right now.

[Sakura Hana]

Not. Helping.

[Sakura Hana]

Regardless it's probably just jjh anyway.
VOTE: jjh

[Sakura Hana]

PP outside of my read on you, do you have any thoughts on the other 4 reads i presented?

[Sakura Hana]

You still think PP is scummy despite EOD yesterday?

i dunno anything anymore, all i know is that TP and Bingle are most likely not scum, any of the other 3 could be, but im more positive on jjh than you or PP, if all of you think PP is very unlikely to be scum then we can just bin him as town together with TP and Bingle and it becomes a you vs jjh with 1 miselim remaining, a.k.a autowin.

[Sakura Hana]

Anyway back to Yakuza for me.

[Sakura Hana]

i blame bingle, klick, and sakura.

You still think PP is scummy despite EOD yesterday?

i dunno anything anymore, all i know is that TP and Bingle are most likely not scum, any of the other 3 could be, but im more positive on jjh than you or PP,

if all of you think PP is very unlikely to be scum then we can just bin him as town together with TP and Bingle and it becomes a you vs jjh with 1 miselim remaining, a.k.a autowin.

So why are you blaming me again?

[Sakura Hana]

I literally said it was jjh vs SC.

[Sakura Hana]

Anyway, thanks for the game firepup.

[Sakura Hana]

On another note, this game felt like it took forever.

[Sakura Hana]

wait what

bingle didn't write that will? that is so annoying

I also did warn you guys about the possibility of scum being able to mess up with Last Wills.
Funny for all PP complained about "blaming me" he didnt read anything i wrote in thread lol.

[Sakura Hana]

My only fault was not updating last will on the last day, figured it was obvious i didnt update it since it still had jjh alive, and even then, should've just read what i said in thread which is 100% guaranteed to be me.

[Sakura Hana]

Lack of meta experience with Pooky didnt help, all that busing in Day 1 threw me off guard almost clearing Cakez for the majority of the game, but when it came to it, he and PP were the weakest in terms of clearance, cant believe you guys elimmed TP, i was expecting it to be a 1v1 between PP and SC lol.
Nevertheless, well played Scum team, your busing paid off.

[Sakura Hana]

Also, update your will next time.

What does it matter? Not only was it obvious i didnt update it, you cant tell it's me since scum could mess up with it. Thread info is 100% guaranteed to be me. But yeah, that was my bad i do admit.

[Sakura Hana]

I didn't think that scum would be able to modify the will as that seems like a bastard ability to me

Playing your hand like this is unnecessary

I mean im likely dead tonight anyway so i dont see a reason to delay the information further.

It's called a last will

I get it, but i didnt wanna risk scum having an ability that messes with last wills. Idk STD enough to know if his last will is something he'd write or it's something scum put in themselves.

[Sakura Hana]

I did foresee that, like, why wouldnt scum have an ability to mess with an in-game mechanic, specially when said in-game mechanic is pretty strong.

[Sakura Hana]

Anyway, in-game thread information = 100% guaranteed to be from the person.
Last Wills are posted by the mod, the last will isnt necessarily something that the dead person wrote, just like when someone uses some sort of messenger ability in a game, anything that isn't posted by the actual person you cant ever 100% be certain it was written by them.
Don't think it's a bastard mechanic because the mod never implied the last wills were always written by the person that died? (may need to double check that)

[Sakura Hana]

Don't think it's a bastard mechanic because the mod never implied the last wills were always written by the person that died? (may need to double check that)

I mean it says:

Bingle left a last will:

Oh right.
Then yeah moderator lies coz Bingle didnt leave it
But anyway, when game has special mechanics always expect scum to have some ability to mess up with said mechanics.

[Sakura Hana]

My will was not tampered with

I know it wasnt, i saw the night actions already. But at the time i thought it could've been and that's what prompted me to make that post before. Even before that i did have a gut feeling scum had to have SOMETHING considering how strong last wills are.

[Sakura Hana]

My thoughts at the time were:
"Certainly the mod wouldnt let a cop be able to put all their results in a last will in case they get shot before they get to say anything and not give scum something to interfere with that would he"

[Sakura Hana]

Other than that, scum did play well D1 and mostly got obliterated by night actions, specially Pooky and Cakez, im not sure i would've caught Pooky without Night results lol.

[Sakura Hana]

For what it's word, i think this is probably the best i've played in mafia so far, I just happened to get outplayed anyway XD

[Sakura Hana]

lol scum thought i was a cop.