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Post #63 (isolation #7) » Sat Feb 17, 2024 5:10 pm
Postby Aureal »
How's the hydra townie? I think trying to throw shade over Rat's joke is pretty sus actually. It can be harder for scum to pick up on jokes, that really seemed tone deaf.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 63, Aureal wrote:
How's the hydra townie? I think trying to throw shade over Rat's joke is pretty sus actually. It can be harder for scum to pick up on jokes, that really seemed tone deaf.
You should understand hydra dissonance lol
What does hydra dissonance have to do with anything? Am I not allowed to find something scummy unless all FOUR of them do it?
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 63, Aureal wrote:
How's the hydra townie? I think trying to throw shade over Rat's joke is pretty sus actually. It can be harder for scum to pick up on jokes, that really seemed tone deaf.
I fail to understand why you think I was trying to throw shade on Rat's joke just by asking them a question when I never even gave a read.
In post 63, Aureal wrote:
How's the hydra townie? I think trying to throw shade over Rat's joke is pretty sus actually. It can be harder for scum to pick up on jokes, that really seemed tone deaf.
I fail to understand why you think I was trying to throw shade on Rat's joke just by asking them a question when I never even gave a read.
I don't see how complaining about RVS banter is supposed to help on finding Kira
So instead you prefer to just talk about flavor? Just wanting to talk about flavor and not solving is scummy.
- A
This isn't a read, huh? You literally called it scummy. And, one would assume, my flavor banter too.
VOTE: CUDDLE TIME
This is not a read. This was asking a question and afterwards saying why just talking about flavor for a long time is scummy. I clearly said on 43 I didn't have any reads.
- A
*head explodes*
How can you say that a behavior about which you are complaining is scummy, and then promptly claim to have no reads?!?
You're introducing a new thought here about it going on for "a long time" to walk back the thought. Do you not actually think the flavor talk was going on for a long time?
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #82 (isolation #13) » Sat Feb 17, 2024 6:57 pm
Postby Aureal »
In post 80, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
This one doesn't want to like, be a dick about it by driving the point home but it just thinks trying to understand Adorable here is a futile effort and we're gonna wanna wait for the other heads to rear themselves.
And yet you're... voting with me?
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
How can you say that a behavior about which you are complaining is scummy, and then promptly claim to have no reads?!?
You're introducing a new thought here about it going on for "a long time" to walk back the thought. Do you not actually think the flavor talk was going on for a long time?
Are you for real? That post of mine was talking to RR about in general any player who just talks about flavor is a scummy playstyle. As in whenever I see a player who will just flavor talk for a long time I start to end up suspecting scums will be hiding in the flavor talk once when more hours pass by. I never thought that the flavor talk was going for a long time and I was already bored with just the short early flavor talk.
- A
If you didn't think it was going on too long, then why even bring it up? You're trying to have it like a bunch of different ways at once.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
How can you say that a behavior about which you are complaining is scummy, and then promptly claim to have no reads?!?
You're introducing a new thought here about it going on for "a long time" to walk back the thought. Do you not actually think the flavor talk was going on for a long time?
Are you for real? That post of mine was talking to RR about in general any player who just talks about flavor is a scummy playstyle. As in whenever I see a player who will just flavor talk for a long time I start to end up suspecting scums will be hiding in the flavor talk once when more hours pass by. I never thought that the flavor talk was going for a long time and I was already bored with just the short early flavor talk.
- A
If you didn't think it was going on too long, then why even bring it up? You're trying to have it like a bunch of different ways at once.
Can you be more specific on bringing what up?
- A
You brought up people talking about the flavor as a negative thing. But also saying you don't think it was a negative thing. Unless it goes on too long, which you don't think it did. So looks to me you were just talking just to talk, because 'ugh let's get out of rvs fluff' commentary tends to get townpoints.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #189 (isolation #18) » Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:22 am
Postby Aureal »
In post 107, Gimli wrote:
aureal and black/cuddle are towny, black's townread on aureal matches my impressions.
HPE is always hard to grasp but this game it seems to be a bit on edge like nervous?
klick entered the game with a comment I dislike and I tried several times to write out the reasoning but meh maybe later
Could you please elaborate on that reasoning? I don't understand why you dislike Klick's comment, I think he's correctly predicting that there's going to be hydra dissonance with that set of players (yes, I know that's what the next few pages are gonna be about). And that, as he said, he's talking about Drew's post being a non sequitur because there hadn't been hydra dissonance
yet
.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #190 (isolation #19) » Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:25 am
Postby Aureal »
In post 118, ActionDan wrote:
I might have found Aureal's aggression and questioning towny if it weren't for her being in the wrong at every turn. It sours me.
What on earth does that mean? What am I wrong about?
Slightly related but flavor discussion makes me itchy as I can see it being used as an avenue to communicate to Kira who their followers are. I haven't seen anything explicit yet though.
Are you kidding me, the hydra already clearly pledged their allegiance to me, the god of the new world of justice!
As many have said Klick's entrance is doodoo.
You explain this too please.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 63, Aureal wrote:
How's the hydra townie? I think trying to throw shade over Rat's joke is pretty sus actually. It can be harder for scum to pick up on jokes, that really seemed tone deaf.
I don't think it's that sus. I do agree that a large focus on flavor spec/setup spec is easy for scum to do to look like they're town and contributing. Granted it's quite early to be able to tell if Rat is scum doing this, but I do think it was definitely worth pointing out.
You don't...
think
your own slot's behavior is that sus?
*sigh*
Wow I can't even make up my mind which of these wagons is better, they're both so full of sussy behavior it's crazy.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
We've been opposite alignments for 4 games in a row, don't see a reason it would change now.
In post 8, CUDDLE TIME wrote:
Okay bye I'm going to play the marathon NewD3 now.
????
The first one totally sounds like something I would say, and I'm always town so maaaaaybe I could kinda see it being towny (but really that's probably just a personal quirk of mine). But I definitely disagree on the second, it feels somewhat pre-emptively defensive to need to announce that you're leaving to do something else.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #196 (isolation #23) » Sun Feb 18, 2024 9:52 am
Postby Aureal »
In post 129, ActionDan wrote:
Not really saying much when the chance of there being at least one scum in any 3 names is 16/21. That's higher than 75%
Huh?
You know what, I'm not even gonna try to work out what this math is, it doesn't even matter. There's a base 1/3 chance that any of your slots is scum, but categorizing them by behavior is going to shift those odds. It's something people do pretty commonly.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #197 (isolation #24) » Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:04 am
Postby Aureal »
In post 160, Klick wrote:
The big hydra is town
If you think their presence is net negative you should probably talk to and about other slots
Still not seeing it, sorry! I don't think it's a net negative or whatever and I don't care about 'hydra dissonance' (especially after actually having been in a hydra now, lol) or think they need to present a united front. Actually I might prefer it if they don't, even?? Trying to smash their individual thoughts together only seems like it'll muddle any chance of reading them on personality traits.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #198 (isolation #25) » Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:14 am
Postby Aureal »
In post 164, CUDDLE TIME wrote:
cs357 was a townie that scum!HPE pushed, so this "defense" of saying it's just something it likes to do and comparing the two situations feels like a scumclaim more than anything else.
lol
So, this was a game at least two of you were in with HPE? Meaning HPE would expect you to easily be able to reference its alignment there?
Okay honestly I have zero idea why anyone of any alignment would do that. "Hey guys look at this game where I was scum and doing what I'm doing here, so obviously I'm not scum here!"?? It's just asking for someone to do exactly what you're doing here in calling it out.
I guess HPE just honestly feels that's something it would do regardless of alignment?
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #199 (isolation #26) » Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:15 am
Postby Aureal »
In post 167, T-Bone wrote:
For what it's worth if I was just reading dragon I'd probably have a small town lean because he engaged with my criticism instead of deflecting. I'm deciding, and I'm probably not going to decide right now, whether that's because the slot is actually town or dragon realizes how obviously scummy black is and is quickly covering up for it. I suppose that could be true regardless of their alignment. What I read as dragon's genuine attempt to engage with the game quickly turned into an uphill battle for dragon to counter everything black was posting. I'm always going to read dissonance as scummy because it's not something that serves any purpose for the town but easy to kick up the game with if you're scum. I believe scum will always do the easy things when it serves them. I think when you're a hydra you have to be held to a higher standard than an individual player because presumably you can plan out your posts in general, discuss your reads, and be helpful if you're town. It's a higher burden sure, but when the other side of that coin is easy nonsense you can do as scum I think it's a fair burden to ask a hydra slot to meet.
Note to self: never hydra in a game that has T-Bone in it
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 218, Hu Tao wrote:
My big question about this is why does it matter if they are follower or Kira? Even if they are follower and not Kira, voting them off is still good (just want to say this is from your point of view not mine, I don't have a read on hpe currently but I'll check after this)
Because HPE might let it slip that ActionDan is Kira
This train of thought confuses me. Clearly you think HPE has likely
already
let it slip. So I don't understand what more there would be to gain here. We're not going to get confirmation of HPE being follower or not. And you saying to all of us that you think Dan could be Kira to HPE's follower, if true surely just makes them that much more careful to try not to look like that. I don't know why you would say it if you're only just thinking it's a possibility, so this doesn't feel like a real thought that you have and that distresses me.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 218, Hu Tao wrote:
My big question about this is why does it matter if they are follower or Kira? Even if they are follower and not Kira, voting them off is still good (just want to say this is from your point of view not mine, I don't have a read on hpe currently but I'll check after this)
Because HPE might let it slip that ActionDan is Kira
This train of thought confuses me. Clearly you think HPE has likely
already
let it slip. So I don't understand what more there would be to gain here. We're not going to get confirmation of HPE being follower or not. And you saying to all of us that you think Dan could be Kira to HPE's follower, if true surely just makes them that much more careful to try not to look like that. I don't know why you would say it if you're only just thinking it's a possibility, so this doesn't feel like a real thought that you have and that distresses me.
The post you quoted is mostly me trying to answer Hu Tao with as little information as possible. Because several people at this point want to extract everything they can out of my reasoning before neither HPE nor ActionDan give an adequate response.
Okay... fine...
I'm totally lost with whatever is going on here with you guys.
VOTE: ActionDan
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #244 (isolation #34) » Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:17 pm
Postby Aureal »
In post 240, Gimli wrote:
I changed my mind I think klick is town
klick, aureal, cuddle is my townpile
Wow, that was fast, wanna explain?
You weren't kidding about it being easier to look town in this setup, though. Here I am: Kira, the god of the new world, and several people are already racing to townread me. Maybe Enchant sent out too many follower PMs.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 238, Gimli wrote:
considering the amount of heat the hydra is getting for being a hydra, it's unlikely that that's kira
I don't agree with that reasoning at all, but I am starting to get something of a townread on
some
of the heads so I guess they can at least be more nullish for now.
yeah okay
say you're a follower and cuddle is kira, you wouldn't go 'put it to e-1 and I'll hammer cause hydra', right? you wouldn't appeal to that being reasonable in the thread.
and we had hu tao, tbone and... fuck I forgot who else. but regardless that makes the pool of followers in a cuddle!kira world much more strict than every other slot in the game right now
Eh, okay, I see what you mean.
I guess there's something to this line of thought, but I don't think it's
significantly
less likely, there's still plenty of people not pressing them. Heck, T-Bone in particular I can somehow totally imagine saying that as a bold attempt to get people to
not
vote the hydra because it makes the wagon look really bad. And he could always just refuse to do so after the grace period if somehow people did actually run them up, he knew the hammer didn't unlock for 24 hours. Although given the rest of his posting with regard to them that might be a little harder to work around.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 218, Hu Tao wrote:
My big question about this is why does it matter if they are follower or Kira? Even if they are follower and not Kira, voting them off is still good (just want to say this is from your point of view not mine, I don't have a read on hpe currently but I'll check after this)
Because HPE might let it slip that ActionDan is Kira
This train of thought confuses me. Clearly you think HPE has likely
already
let it slip. So I don't understand what more there would be to gain here. We're not going to get confirmation of HPE being follower or not. And you saying to all of us that you think Dan could be Kira to HPE's follower, if true surely just makes them that much more careful to try not to look like that. I don't know why you would say it if you're only just thinking it's a possibility, so this doesn't feel like a real thought that you have and that distresses me.
The post you quoted is mostly me trying to answer Hu Tao with as little information as possible. Because several people at this point want to extract everything they can out of my reasoning before neither HPE nor ActionDan give an adequate response.
Okay... fine...
I'm totally lost with whatever is going on here with you guys.
VOTE: ActionDan
You were questioning me but quickly dropped it. Kinda sus
Who are you talking to here?
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #280 (isolation #37) » Mon Feb 19, 2024 10:59 am
Postby Aureal »
In post 254, Klick wrote:
That post is the main reason I scumread HPE and I think it's a red herring
lol, yeah
I really don't think a follower comes in and decides "hey I'm gonna risk the game straightaway by promptly going up to Kira and obviously acting like a follower of him". Huge, huge risk and little to no benefit for it. Heck, even if nobody
else
ever notices it somehow, just tipping Kira off as to who a follower could be could make Kira act scummier and draw more attention to themself.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 254, Klick wrote:
That post is the main reason I scumread HPE and I think it's a red herring
Aureal and Drew had a similar exchange in Reunion Mafia, and were both Town there.
Obviously, neither of them are HPE, so if this is something you think is coming from it as scum specifically, it could still hold significance. But I don't think the behavior is scummy in a vacuum.
Oh yeah, that was funny. XD It actually occurred to me that last morning as we were waiting for the final night's results that Drew might've been reading that interaction as me being their traitor. Of course, this is a very different setup, so I think it might be less likely to just happen than a game where there was no reason for town to think there was a traitor-like role.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 254, Klick wrote:
That post is the main reason I scumread HPE and I think it's a red herring
lol, yeah
I really don't think a follower comes in and decides "hey I'm gonna risk the game straightaway by promptly going up to Kira and obviously acting like a follower of him". Huge, huge risk and little to no benefit for it. Heck, even if nobody
else
ever notices it somehow, just tipping Kira off as to who a follower could be could make Kira act scummier and draw more attention to themself.
No no, maybe the followers SHOULD tell us who Kira is, let them cook
Yeah, that's been my thought too so it's giving me great confusion over what Klick is doing. I don't think we ever should waste an elimination on someone we're confident is a follower, not Kira.
So that made me think about it more and now I'm not sure HPE isn't Kira either.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
Are you able to expand a bit? Any specific posts that seem off?
- Thomith
Thomith, I didn't want to quite your big post, but Re: my reads
My read of Dan wasn't clear, I meant he has a style(similar to Bell actually) to his posting that I find scummy, but I am seeing that just is who he is, so my snap read is scum.....but I want to make sure it isn't just a style thing.
Aureal just seems to obvTown, sometimes early and sometimes later(similar to Alianna), her posting style so far shows me signs of that, go check out pico blitz that just ended if you want to see scumAureal
Bone, so far seemed identical to me as the Blitz game that also just ended, maybe calling his reads as sometimes head scratchy wasn't exactly right, but he kinda does his own thing, which I can really appreciate(trying to not let it influence my read too much, as I am very much the same as him)
Ah, people trying to meta-read me. Somehow this keeps happening, even though I keep telling people it's a bad idea (as if it wasn't obvious).
Are you actually trying to use that silly game as some sort of baseline for what you think I'd do as scum, Drew? I never understood your insistence that I (or Alianna for that matter) have some sort of town-tell, so excuse me if I don't just take your word for it that this is a real read.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 284, Aureal wrote:
I don't think we ever should waste an elimination on someone we're confident is a follower, not Kira.
This is mega sus
If we are convinced someone is a follower then we take them out. One less person to use the Real Name ability thing
In post 2, Enchant wrote:
Kira Followers
Knows which player is Kira, but not each other. At Night can use ability and learn Real Name of living target. If learned Real Name is different from Visible Name of target, it means they are fellow Kira Follower or Detective.
-Black
Oh right, that's a thing. I guess I didn't pay that much attention because it doesn't even really seem like a very useful thing? It's not like they can pass Kira a note saying "hey that person's got a fake name, nuke 'em". That was a major plot point in the show- Misa found out L's name with the eyes but got caught before Light could get the information from her.
I guess they could just out themself and post in the game thread? But like, that would have a 50% chance of backfiring and getting the other follower killed and then both of them are outted and that's a lot of info to try to work backwards to find Kira with. At most I could see them try to push a wagon on the target, which depending on the circumstances could be really obviously a result of a night action.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 251, Hu Tao wrote:
You were questioning me but quickly dropped it. Kinda sus
Who are you talking to here?
You. Were you not suspect of me?
I was questioning you?? Are you seriously trying to turn 229 into some sort of gotcha? That feels incredibly bad faith- it's obviously not something about which I expect a response from you. That you felt the need to do it anyway with an obvious "ask yourself" answer and then come at me for not responding to your pointless response (and yes, I
am
asking myself ) is pretty WTF
VOTE: Hu Tao
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #291 (isolation #43) » Mon Feb 19, 2024 12:40 pm
Postby Aureal »
Yeah, I think a lot of how Kira faction approaches using their actions is going to depend on their thread position. Like, Kira might not even want to make nightkills I think, unless they think they've got a good bead on who the detective is early on. Would've been interesting to see how this plays out in practice the first time around but obviously it kinda went sideways right from the start. XD
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #294 (isolation #44) » Mon Feb 19, 2024 3:49 pm
Postby Aureal »
In post 292, Doctor Drew wrote:
Just because you don't think you have a town tell, doesn't mean you don't, so despite your efforts here lol.....you are town.
Do you think I am faking my reads?
Maybe? I've certainly seen you express confident reads like this as town before, but at the same time it's not that hard to fake when you're just making a read with no reasoning, lol. I'm not really sure
why
you would at this point though so I guess I lean towards no. Even if you needing to ask if I think you're faking makes me feel like you're a little concerned about how you look or something, it's a bit weird.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 251, Hu Tao wrote:
You were questioning me but quickly dropped it. Kinda sus
Who are you talking to here?
You. Were you not suspect of me?
I was questioning you?? Are you seriously trying to turn 229 into some sort of gotcha? That feels incredibly bad faith- it's obviously not something about which I expect a response from you. That you felt the need to do it anyway with an obvious "ask yourself" answer and then come at me for not responding to your pointless response (and yes, I
am
asking myself ) is pretty WTF
VOTE: Hu Tao
Who said anything about a gotcha? You seem overly defensive
Wow, I am totally not surprised by this response. Okay never mind, I'm surprised in that it literally does not contain the phrase 'OMGUS' but otherwise it's exactly what I expected. If you actually understood how I operate and were being genuine here you'd totally understand that I'm gonna bite back when I sense someone making a bad push at me, not wag your finger about defensiveness.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #339 (isolation #46) » Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:19 am
Postby Aureal »
In post 316, Klick wrote:
Beyond that, ActionDan was a complete vibe check as someone I wasn't townreading, and I wanted to see what kind of response I'd get. I don't have anything solid to back up my read on ActionDan being Kira, it was sort of just a backwards gut read of 'if HPE is a Follower who feels about right as their Kira'.
I think both feel really awkward here compared to what I'd expect from them as town but that's 100% vibes and 0% logic. I like vibes though
Yay, I figured out what Klick was doing~
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
Will elaborate on this later but I wanna see if anyone else is seeing what I'm seeing first
- Dragon
The sudden turn on Klick is a little jarring, yes, and I don't agree with it. But I'm pretty sure Rat is the type of player as town who makes bold plays so I can easily see this being genuine. And I'm not entirely clear where Gimli comes in, I guess you're thinking Rat is trying to force some sort of distance between their reads here but also feeling like they're taking direction from Gimli? I can kinda see how you might think that but I've been feeling pretty good about Rat and Gimli so far, this doesn't feel like anything but a normal question to me without me trying to force your framework of suspicion upon it.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #346 (isolation #48) » Tue Feb 20, 2024 8:59 am
Postby Aureal »
In post 324, Radical Rat wrote:
I thought the push on HPE was weak, and expressed as much, but what stuck out to me was your insistence on it being a red herring, and your supposition that Action Dan was Kira based on basically nothing. I wanted to wait and see how things developed, and then they just got worse.
Your reaction to HPE claiming a shitpost seemed to indicate you thought it WAS signaling Kira, but that doesn't quite align with your red herring claim earlier. I thought perhaps you might have been a Follower either misdirecting to protect Gimli, perhaps assuming HPE was the other partner and being worried someone else would interpret that as a signal, or potentially Dan's Follower, trying to do a reverse psychology, which would explain why you never actually voted Dan.
But then Gimli's suggestion that Kira won't look scummy combined with you being absent from his PoE pool due to "investigative depth" that doesn't exist, with you yourself describing your reads as vibe-based, made all of the pieces Klick into place.
You jumped at HPE because, as Kira, you're looking for these signals, and having seen something that you think looks like a signal but directed towards someone else, you tried to push that narrative. No matter whether it lands on Gimli or Dan, it's not you. Gimli's oddities would put him as a strong Follower candidate, and then Dragon immediately jumping on me as soon as I suggested I thought you were Kira... well I think he's overplayed the hand now.
So I suppose to answer your question, Klick, what I'm looking for... is justice.
I am a little surprised you don't see the play Klick was making with the suspicion of ActionDan, but I'm pretty sure I get it now and I'm on basically the same page as Klick. Dan could well be Kira, I've got poor vibes about him too, but I think Klick was less concerned initially about whether that was actually the case than about what reactions he would get by acting like he thought it was. I'm seeing enough "investigative depth" here from Klick, I don't think it's weird Gimli would too and leave him out of his PoE. Mine was about the same.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #352 (isolation #49) » Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:07 am
Postby Aureal »
In post 326, Radical Rat wrote:
Gimli and Dan, in the event that you are actually a Follower instead.
If I'm to suppose I'm completely wrong and you're actually Town, then I'm kind of back to square one. Absent confounding evidence though, I'd be happy to just lim You > Gimli > Dan.
We're not actually gonna get flips though, so there's a good chance we wouldn't know until postgame whether Klick is town or follower.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #353 (isolation #50) » Tue Feb 20, 2024 9:18 am
Postby Aureal »
In post 348, CUDDLE TIME wrote:
Reading Aureal's post: yes, jarring is exactly the word to describe that pivot.
- Dragon
And so was yours, lol
I'll consider your case later, my brain is breaking down at this point since I've been sitting here trying to figure out what people are thinking for way too long, it's giving me a headache and I need lunch and my initial feelings are that we're all just town getting jumpy because things feel too easy.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 348, CUDDLE TIME wrote:
Reading Aureal's post: yes, jarring is exactly the word to describe that pivot.
- Dragon
And so was yours, lol
I'll consider your case later, my brain is breaking down at this point since I've been sitting here trying to figure out what people are thinking for way too long, it's giving me a headache and I need lunch and my initial feelings are that we're all just town getting jumpy because things feel too easy.
Understandable, have a good lunch.
Who are the obvious scum in the scenario where the game is "too easy"? I don't really see any "obvious" scum other than HPE who I don't think is Kira.
- Dragon
I did not have a good lunch: word of advice, don't make nachos using stale chips. My stomach is not alright.
Hu Tao and Dan as well are my 'game is easy' PoE. HPE seems more likely to be a follower than Kira yeah, but I'm not ruling it out as a "hide in plain sight" attempt.
Do you think Rat is lying here when they act like flipping Gimli after Klick is fine with them?
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #383 (isolation #52) » Wed Feb 21, 2024 10:56 am
Postby Aureal »
Ooof, I was thinking the same as Gimli about HPE seeming removed from things like it's trying to not get any more attention. But that gripe feels uncomfortably real.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #385 (isolation #53) » Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:27 am
Postby Aureal »
I have definitely complained like that as town when people scumread me for what feels like would be bad play as scum. It's especially obnoxious to me of course, not having even had any proper scumgames that I could even try to point them towards to supplement my argument that really, I wouldn't just be lazy and meme most of day one if I had finally gotten a red PM.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 385, Aureal wrote:
I have definitely complained like that as town when people scumread me for what feels like would be bad play as scum. It's especially obnoxious to me of course, not having even had any proper scumgames that I could even try to point them towards to supplement my argument that really, I wouldn't just be lazy and meme most of day one if I had finally gotten a red PM.
I don't understand why it was called out in the first place, I think there is too much confidence floating around here so far this game
By 'it' you mean HPE; you're saying you don't understand why anyone has a scumread on it? Because I feel like there's been quite a bit of explanation from numerous people.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
In post 377, Aureal wrote:
Do you think Rat is lying here when they act like flipping Gimli after Klick is fine with them?
Well, I actually think Rat kinda HAS to lie here about that if Gimli is indeed Kira, so as not to look obvious as a follower. I will note though that I'm having some doubts on Rat's being scum because they did feel somewhat convinced of the push on Klick (though I'm aware tht there are players out there who are quite good as scum and can fake this kind of conviction). I will also note that I don't have a ton of conviction in Gimli being Kira, I am just not really sure who else to vote.
I mean, look at this:
In post 375, Enchant wrote:
HighPrincessErinys (2): ActionDan, Gimli
Hu Tao (1): Aureal
Aureal (1): Hu Tao
Klick (1): Radical Rat
Gimli (1): CUDDLE TIME
This VC kinda sucks tbh. I would really like to build a wagon on someone so we can start to see how people react to real pressure. In fact I'd probably be down to wagon almost anyone except Klick or Willow right now (oh hi Willow! Good that you managed to get in the game!), so that I could gather hopefully alignment-indicative reactions to those wagons.
It feels like you're really reaching for something here, and I don't like it.
If you want a wagon so much, why aren't you building one? You're vanity wagoning someone whom you admit you don't actually have much of a scumread on while there are other options you're open to who actually have votes.
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance
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Post #425 (isolation #56) » Thu Feb 22, 2024 9:53 am
Postby Aureal »
In post 417, Little Will o' Wisp wrote:
This game has so much information packed into 17 pages it's making my head spin. Sorry, I don't have time to detangle it right now.
However, it wouldn't hurt to give an ordered list based on feels.
From town to scum: Cuddle, Klick, Erinys, Gimli, Aureal, Tao, Dan, Rat, Drew.
Welcome! Can you explain what the feels are based on? Did you skim the whole game, read a few pages, or what?
"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
-furtiveglance