Mini Normal 2335: Rainbows (Day 4)

[Robbnva]

Sup

[Robbnva]

Are you scum?

[Robbnva]

No I’m not.

[Robbnva]

No I’m not.

Do you enjoy playing scum?

I hate playing as scum but I used to be better at playing scum. How about you?

[Robbnva]

This random voting doesn't help tells. I don't get the point of it since people also intentionally avoid building wagons randomly from it.

Wagons matter, pure randoms don't.

In reference to your previous post, ending the day killing nobody isn’t optimal but I don’t have an issue with people who think it is.

Random voting is just something that happens, it’s a way to get conversation going. Sometimes an early wagon can help develop reads.

[Robbnva]

VOTE: hu Tao

[Robbnva]

I’m sure you could but I don’t think no elimination is ever optimal. So you wouldn’t be able to convince me. I doubt you’d be able to convince many people. These discussions have been done to death and no elimination is rarely a good idea.

[Robbnva]

Well right. I was referring to no elimination on day one. There are times when it is helpful.

[Robbnva]

I feel the same way, actually. I still find it fun if I have the right mindset going into the game beforehand, but I tend to dread red PMs these days.

Yeah I get anxiety right before I open a role PM lol

[Robbnva]

VOTE: hu Tao

But why teddy bear?

"WHY ME" I found scum Bs and Gs

Honestly I don't feel like you have tried to engage yet, your content is been lacking so it is a good place to start.

[Robbnva]

I am actually more in favor of a quick elimination vs a no elimination. While you make good arguments, they are ones I have seen in the past and I still think eliminating somebody is better for the overall ability to find scum.

[Robbnva]

Fry me

And am I the only one you think this of? We are only a few pages in. If not why single me out?

yeah the old why me fry me, that was immediately what I was reminded of. BUt I haven't played mafia in like 4 years so maybe it is old school lol

You were the one who stood out to me the most, there are others who are attempting to enguage with others in a meaningful way. I am not a fan of Not Mafia, but we have a past and I always scum read them and they are one of the ones who could really push my buttons so for now I am just going to monitor from a distance.

[Robbnva]

regardless of the merits/demerits of the argument, rationalmadman's hyper-engaged early posting and apparent desire to position himself as a town thought leader is setting off some bells for me. reminds me of what i've tried to do in my own scumplay.

Where did I do that? I only expanded on it when asked.

every post you've made so far?

Everyone should try to lead Town btw. However they should earn it and not assume it. It is futile to play to not lead Town.

oh, okay.
VOTE: RationalMadman

they seem pretty town so far, why the vote?

[Robbnva]

regardless of the merits/demerits of the argument, rationalmadman's hyper-engaged early posting and apparent desire to position himself as a town thought leader is setting off some bells for me. reminds me of what i've tried to do in my own scumplay.

Where did I do that? I only expanded on it when asked.

every post you've made so far?

Everyone should try to lead Town btw. However they should earn it and not assume it. It is futile to play to not lead Town.

oh, okay.
VOTE: RationalMadman

they seem pretty town so far, why the vote?

evidently, i don't agree.

clearly, this is where you should have explained your rationale or something

[Robbnva]

Fry me

And am I the only one you think this of? We are only a few pages in. If not why single me out?

yeah the old why me fry me, that was immediately what I was reminded of. BUt I haven't played mafia in like 4 years so maybe it is old school lol

You were the one who stood out to me the most, there are others who are attempting to enguage with others in a meaningful way. I am not a fan of Not Mafia, but we have a past and I always scum read them and they are one of the ones who could really push my buttons so for now I am just going to monitor from a distance.

Anyone else?

not that immediately jumps out at me like you did for some reason. Eventually I will go back and re-read but so far, you are a good vote. Your only game related activity so far is to question the person voting you, you aren't doing anything to progress the game nor are you scum hunting.

[Robbnva]

I’m having deja vu of something I can’t talk about lol

That being said, the m-word

(meta)

tells me RM is likely town. This is familiar.

not a huge fan of meta, but I was notorious for being able to replicate my town play as scum. I do get town vibes from them as well though.

[Robbnva]

did you read all the posts you've quoted?

no I didn't

[Robbnva]

I think half is voting RM because half thinks RM is pretending to be townie

[Robbnva]

I question when someone makes a potential questionable move as you did. No need for me to force myself to fake scum hunting 4 pages in, I'm not scum.

is my vote questionable because I voted you or for another reason?

[Robbnva]

I question when someone makes a potential questionable move as you did. No need for me to force myself to fake scum hunting 4 pages in, I'm not scum.

is my vote questionable because I voted you or for another reason?

Vote since it was singling me out for things others are doing too

who are these others?

[Robbnva]

VOTE: hu Tao

Why?

Already answered here

[Robbnva]

I can't speak to current play, but these antics don't surprise me.

[Robbnva]

@kay, besides Black, who else do you think is worthy of a vote? I have a feeling black may end up replacing out due to inactivity.

[Robbnva]

I’m still in rvs, I haven’t decided yet who’s worthy, I need to see more.

We’re out of rvs now though so would be interested to see where you’re at now.

VOTE: T3

Why?

[Robbnva]

So vote someone else who is doing what you did as long as it’s not you? Helpful

[Robbnva]

You’re not making any.

[Robbnva]

Can’t even name names of others when asked.

[Robbnva]

I’m having deja vu of something I can’t talk about lol

That being said, the m-word

(meta)

tells me RM is likely town. This is familiar.

not a huge fan of meta, but I was notorious for being able to replicate my town play as scum. I do get town vibes from them as well though.

This seems like positioning so that you can't detach from both backing the Townread on me and also from discrediting it at the same time.

I mean if that’s how you feel I can’t change that but meta use has always been pretty unreliable. Good players can copy their town play as scum (at least back when I used to play). That’s not an opinion, just facts.

[Robbnva]

Later in the game, wagon analysis matters a lot. A lot of my theory though is based on 4 years ago. No idea what current trends are but quick wagons tend to make scum nervous because they don’t know if they should stay on or get off.

[Robbnva]

I am saying you are townie but discrediting your use of Meta. I openly admit that. People can act town or seem town while doing things I don’t agree with.

[Robbnva]

Off topic. I wish there was a way to click on the thread and go back to my last post or at least go to the very last post.

[Robbnva]

sorry, when I am posting from my phone I can get mixed up, plus I hadn't had my caffeine yet lol

why do you think asking me why I town read you, would cause me to go back on that read? I don't understand that logic.

I feel like your play so far has been pretty genuine, It's a little wifom but I also don't see scum talk about no lynching on day one because historically, that draws negative attention on them.

[Robbnva]

I am not town reading you just for that, your play overall just feels town to me. It's day 1 so reads aren't going to be that strong, anyway. I am also rusty and I am not really used to developing town reads, but I am trying to not fall back into my old habits. That is why I have essentially ignored NM and not going as aggressive on Hu Tao as I would have in the past.

[Robbnva]

man I forget how slow games on this site can be. Some sites have 48 hour days which is too fast but 2 weeks is definitely too slow.

[Robbnva]

no but you can certainly look though all my accounts and find games. you can find a list of my alts in the ban thread

[Robbnva]

I can help with the alt list. I was banned 4 years ago and can't remember what games I was town and which ones I were scum.

RobCapone
Beck
Derpy Hooves
Jake from State Farm
Riblet
WoodyWoodpecker
Chumba
TwoFace
Cedrick
Gustavo
Wimpy
Doughboy
HopOnMyJoystick

P.edit - Well I am not going to either

[Robbnva]

So this guy has 13 other accounts and Robbvna and doesn't know how long games go here or anything about the site's norms?

That's just unrealistic.

What's also unrealistic is Halfasleep suspecting me because I try hard. That's not a scumtell and she even admits I am a nullread while still staying on me.

It’s been four years. I know how long games last, usually though games i used to play wouldn’t be as stagnant as this one is. I would post a lot and generate a lot of activity. It just wasn’t good activity. I was known as a toxic player and I’m on a short leash so I’m not reverting back to how I used to play.

Spoiler: Robbnva

man I forget how slow games on this site can be. Some sites have 48 hour days which is too fast but 2 weeks is definitely too slow.

Then help to end it faster.

I’m voting my top scum read. The “why me and not somebody else who is doing what I did” and refusing to even name who those people are should be enough to warrant more pressure. I can’t make others vote him without being aggressive, but I’m not being aggressive anymore because that turns toxic fast.

I’ll add that the person I’m voting is still just existing and not trying to have meaningful interactions and can’t even be bothered to find a scum game of mine which they want to see for some reason.

They are happy doing nothing and that is scummy.

[Robbnva]

Was trying to find a post where somebody else confirmed my scum and town game is the same and found this.

Here ya go Hu. An old scum game.
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72911&hilit=+Pisskopfor

[Robbnva]

We don’t have an updated vc but right now only a couple people are voting and I don’t think many of those are serious. We have a lot of people who just aren’t engaged in the game.

At some point we need to wagon somebody, obviously I’d prefer it be on hu but until a somewhat serious wagon forms, the game will remain in its current state.

[Robbnva]

Just curious. Why did you respond to a question meant for someone else? Not AI, just genuine curiosity

[Robbnva]

Nobody can be bothered to dig through 14 accounts where your latest has 7.7k characters worth. That's just ridiculous to demand.

Well I wasn’t demanding anyone do it. Hu was the one expecting me to do it and I certainly wasn’t going to help her meta dive me, especially when I’m not a fan of meta anyway.

[Robbnva]

@halfasleep: why does [you as scum] apply to rational? rational has a very noticeably distinct playstyle.

155 seems fabricated. It really feels like she's deciding the read direction first and then finding evidence to support it rather than looking at behavior and then deciding what alignment it indicates
this argument doesn't feel like an argument a townie makes

So why not vote half? Or me? Since you scum read me also.

[Robbnva]

Mod, can we get prods on Jackson Virgo and KayJayQue?

Jackson hasn't posted on over 48 hours and KayJay is 7 minutes away from being 48 hours.

[Robbnva]

My apologies. I’ll try and remember going forward. Just a force of habit.

[Robbnva]

Who else is being replaced? We’ve already had one replacement.

[Robbnva]

I just looked at the role PM again and realized that the link to the game was in the title

The mod sent everyone a separate message where they bcc’d everyone saying the game started.

[Robbnva]

I think N_M is just going to troll all game, idk what to make of it.

You’re starting to see why I used to have issues with them

[Robbnva]

I am seeing Black as scummy on entrance, feel she's voting T3 because either it's a bus and she hopes others react by disliking the wagon and turning it on someone or because T3 has lurked overall and is an easy target (she is the second vote on him, not first).

Wagons are good

Wagons are bad

[Robbnva]

@halfasleep: why does [you as scum] apply to rational? rational has a very noticeably distinct playstyle.

155 seems fabricated. It really feels like she's deciding the read direction first and then finding evidence to support it rather than looking at behavior and then deciding what alignment it indicates
this argument doesn't feel like an argument a townie makes

So why not vote half? Or me? Since you scum read me also.

What's the point of this kind of question?

To better understand why you aren't voting anyone yet, especially when you have 2 scum reads. I am not sure if you realized it yet but part of the game is to find scum, the other is to eliminate them. You really aren't doing either rn.

[Robbnva]

VOTE: halfasleep

okayge

This vote would have looked better had you voted them before anyone else had, not it doesn't look as good

[Robbnva]

sad attempt at omgus + i wasnt even scumreading you originally

no it isn't + you said you had a red check on me and the only way that can be interpreted is as a scum read. If you meant something else, I feel like you would have clarified it by now.

[Robbnva]

In all fairness that was his first post of the game and it was probably a joke

sure, probably was but even as a joke, he could have voted me. When he did have a scum read, he didn't vote them either. Just trying to find out why they aren't voting their scum reads.

[Robbnva]

I guess it makes sense to interpret it as a scumread though since it came on page 5 which was the tail end of RVS

we were well out of RVS by page 5

[Robbnva]

If they did, don’t care. I’m just trying to understand the motive behind not voting a scum read if you have one.

[Robbnva]

mod I think half should have 4 votes but your counter shows (3)

[Robbnva]

Black may be a double voter cause he is on there twice lol

[Robbnva]

We have a black and a blackstar so we are fine

Haha didn’t notice that. Thanks

[Robbnva]

We have a black and a blackstar so we are fine

Haha didn’t notice that. Thanks

Trying to decide if this is a townslip or a lie. Surely scum would be keeping tabs on the different players

For me it’s neither. I’m not a super observant person sometimes.

(Mod edit: fixed quotes)

[Robbnva]

Shit

mod can you fix that post? I’ve put my response inside the quotes by accident

[Robbnva]

i have clarified it by now. in fact, i clarified it in the very third post i made.

honestly I thought that post, was more of a snarky response to RM, than you actually clarifying anything.

the question you keep repeating about me not

repeating

voting my scumreads is nonsensical, and I do not intend to dignify it beyond simply stating that having scumread does not necessarily imply that I should or would vote.

What is nonsensical about asking why you aren't voting your scum reads? Even if you only have one, that is the point of this game.

Serious question, have you played mafia before?

If you were town, you would know your voice and your vote are your only two weapons, and you really haven't been using either of those. Voting half after others, doesn't hold the same weight because you could very easily be scum piling on, or on the flip side could be a distance/bus situation. Only time will tell.

why I should vote a joke scumread is even more whimsical.

even if you weren't serious about your scum read on me, your scumread of half was serious was it not? Which makes my question valid, why would you not put a vote down on your scumread?

Striking out my earlier question because I see that while you are newer to this site, you do have mafia experience, so you are well aware of aspect of the game where you vote your scum reads.

VOTE: awesomeming327

Feel good this will flip red.

[Robbnva]

You switch from me because others weren't voting me. Strange of Black to raise the issue and you suddenly join and vote.

I am voting halfasleep that's a sure scumread now.

Who is this directed to?

[Robbnva]

Prod dodge. I’ll pronounce less active on weekends as I have more time to play when I’m at work.

I skimmed the last couple of pages. Not sure what to make of the cop claim. Im not sure I agree with the people saying there can’t be a cop in this setup, because you can easily look at past normal games and see there has been cops in normal setups. Even if it’s not used much, it’s an approved role and still possible. Some sort of mafia cop is also a possibility. That claim will resolve itself at some point though.

I’m still leaning toward awesome/half as scum together based on the reluctance to vote half until others did. I think awesome is a good compromise lynch with a high chance of a red flip.

I need to really dive into what’s been said while I’ve been away. It’s good to know I was right though. More pressure on someone equals more activity. This is why we use our voice and our vote. Town awesome should definitely be aware of that but chose to abstain from both most of the game.

[Robbnva]

Probably be less active on weekends is what I meant to say.

[Robbnva]

Probably be less active on weekends is what I meant to say.

How did your first statement mess up so hard

Fat fingers, phone keyboard and shitty autocorrect I guess? I honestly have no clue. Another reason why I play more during the work week. Actual computer.

[Robbnva]

Is godfather possible in simple normal?

No. Only complex normal games.

[Robbnva]

pourquoi?

[Robbnva]

I was one of the first real votes of the game and pressured hu for quite a while. I then eventually switched to awesome and pressured them. So that’s not true at all.

Awesome was 4th vote on half, he didn’t vote him when he first scum read him and somehow you give him a pass for that. If half is town, that’s a bad vote. If half is scum, that’s a great spot for a bus vote.


Either way awesome didn’t want to vote half until others did and he doesn’t have a good reason for that.

[Robbnva]

Actually it seems I was the first real vote

[Robbnva]

[quote=RationalMadman post_id=14180146 post_num=449 time=1715483770 user_id=22424]
[quote=Robbnva post_id=14180113 post_num=447 time=1715478998 user_id=13986]
I was one of the first real votes of the game and pressured hu for quite a while. I then eventually switched to awesome and pressured them. So that’s not true at all.

Awesome was 4th vote on half, he didn’t vote him when he first scum read him and somehow you give him a pass for that. If half is town, that’s a bad vote. If half is scum, that’s a great spot for a bus vote.


Either way awesome didn’t want to vote half until others did and he doesn’t have a good reason for that.
[/quote]

A sole vote doesn't pressure when it takes 7 to eliminate.

Even 2 votes is nothing. Only at 4 is it actual pressure.
[/quote]

I never said I was good at convincing others, but I’ve always been using both my voice and my vote and that’s all I can really do.

[Robbnva]

Well that post got messed up.

[Robbnva]

I was one of the first real votes of the game and pressured hu for quite a while. I then eventually switched to awesome and pressured them. So that’s not true at all.

Awesome was 4th vote on half, he didn’t vote him when he first scum read him and somehow you give him a pass for that. If half is town, that’s a bad vote. If half is scum, that’s a great spot for a bus vote.

Awesome is not pressured until votes.

Nobody until much later in the game can truly terrify and pressure someone with a sole vote on them. Awesomeming voted HA when it went from a silly 3 person vote with NM as third, to an actual wagon where she soon was e-1.

He didn't have a single reason to bus there. He didn't need to do it at all. HU and Black were votes that more likely were reluctant busses.

The thing about distancing/busing is you have to do it at a point where it doesn’t look obvious. So their refusal to join until 3 other people voted them, makes a good place for a distance/bus vote. I’ve been out of the game for 4 years and even I know this. Seems your judgement is less than trustworthy if you won’t even consider that possibility. He scum read half but avoided voting him until others did. That’s a huge red flag. He doesn’t get town points for it even if half flips scum.

[Robbnva]

I have a red check on robbnva

Does this mean awesomeming has to vote you to make the read real?

He should have. Absolutely.

[Robbnva]

bahh
UNVOTE:

that was a very very very.... fast claim
but whatever for now

I don’t see how town makes this post? If he legit scum read him, he’d question the claim but the bahh implies something else. It’s just a weird post to make from town. It’s something I could see from scum trying to emulate town though.

We really don’t know much until we see what half really is. We aren’t limming half though. That’s why I think an awesome lynch would actually be helpful to the game. If I’m wrong and he’s town, it’s an acceptable loss cause he’s still not contributing to the game.

[Robbnva]

Hey Robb just a heads up that we don't use the "L" word anymore. I like "fade" but others seem to like "lim" or "elim"

Thanks. I did know that but Brian fart. I’ll be careful going forward

[Robbnva]

Brain*

[Robbnva]

Agree with that last point by black.

[Robbnva]

I would support a rational lynch if others do. They are back to a null read to me and we really won’t be able to work together. I’d still rather an awesome or hu lynch though.

[Robbnva]

I would support a rational lynch if others do. They are back to a null read to me and we really won’t be able to work together. I’d still rather an awesome or hu lynch though.

go ahead, then vote Black off. I am pretty sure that's Scum. After Black, you are high on the list of potential scum as is HA, depending how later claims and progression go regarding her cop claim.

You’ve proven your judgement can be trusted. So I’m voting who I think is scum or you as a compromise.

[Robbnva]

when someone is e-1 they have to claim. There is nothing coordinated about knowing that.

False. You don’t automatically claim when an e-1. You claim when someone not voting asks for it and intend to hammer.

[Robbnva]

Robb suddenly wanting to vote me is not at all Towny btw, robb basically goes back and forth on his reads relentlessly, yet he can't justify why he himself didn't vote HA.

Robb/Black/HA can literally be the team.

Except I don’t suddenly want to vote you off and I haven’t gone back and forth on my reads. My sc reads have remained the same and you’ve made me doubt my read on you. I realize talking about NL isn’t strong enough compared to everything else you’ve e said recently.

[Robbnva]

Those are identical. If I am e-1 I claim no matter what on any site/format of this game.

That’s what you do but that’s not what players are supposed to do. Unless things have changed that much here, that’s not what people used to do.

For full clarity state your reads including townreads.

Said as if I’ve hidden my reads.

Scum are still awesome and Hu

You were slight town but I’ve moved you into the category with NM. Can’t work with either and if a wagon forms I’ll hammer without a claim.

Most everyone else is null or useless. I’ve got a couple town reads but that’s based on yours and half’s alignments.

[Robbnva]

I’ve talked my way out of lim multiple times at e-1

Sometimes as pr, some as scum, some as vt.

There is no reason to claim right away. I’ll say if it’s close to deadline then that’s different but that doesn’t apply here.


That’s actually why I’m unsure of half’s claim. If town he claimed too early. We had time for discussion and looking at how the wagon formed. If scum then claiming a pr and having crumbs ready is something I’d expect to happen.

[Robbnva]

Half wagon.

Blackstar - no reason. Never mentioned them prior.

Random - no reason but you were suspicious of half because he was suspicious of you.

Not mafia - no reason


Awesome - hadn’t voted them until now despite scum reading them. Seemed to genuinely not like their play so not voting until a wagon forms just seems off to me.


Note for later black votes somebody else and doesn’t join half wagon.

Hu votes half and hu only scum read half because half scum read them first.


Black puts half at e- 1 for agreeing with Hu. That’s a weird 180 that I hadn’t noticed earlier.

Need to revalue some things.

[Robbnva]

That's not the reason I voted. Her gut reads were terrible. And didn't make sense

You were one of their scum reads though so on the surface it looks omgusy

[Robbnva]

That's not the reason I voted. Her gut reads were terrible. And didn't make sense

He also lied about why I did it and called me 'random' as some kind of freudian slip of assuming I randomvoted. Maybe it's a towntell that he called me Random.

Honestly my mind went blank on your name. Random = Rational. My apologies.

[Robbnva]

And I didn’t lie. On the surface that’s what it looks like. Half was pushing you before you scum read them. If you’re town, y’all rattle too easily.

[Robbnva]

Just cause somebody scum reads you, doesn’t mean you need to scum read them back.

[Robbnva]

The top part he’s defending his actions from my accusations.

I thought he had 2 scum reads (me/half) but they didn’t vote either of us. I thought it was weird they aren’t voting any of their scum reads. Turns out his scum read was a joke.

They finally vote half after others do and that was suspicious to me.

I don’t understand why someone would have a scum read but not want to vote them.

[Robbnva]

Scum read on me was a joke*

[Robbnva]

My apologies to half and anyone else I forget their gender or name. I need to slow down and review my messages before posting if they are longer. I type as soon as the words come to me and I can’t remember everything. It’s something I need to work on.

[Robbnva]

The top part he’s defending his actions from my accusations.

I thought he had 2 scum reads (me/half) but they didn’t vote either of us. I thought it was weird they aren’t voting any of their scum reads. Turns out his scum read was a joke.

They finally vote half after others do and that was suspicious to me.

I don’t understand why someone would have a scum read but not want to vote them.

Let's say i'm scumreading someone who's widely TR'd

what good is that gonna do for anyone to push it?

That’s not what happened here but hypothetically, I’d still say you should post them if you think they are scum. People could have bad reads. I trust myself over anyone. I know there were people who would form town blocks and all that stuff but I never could do it. I’m skeptical of everyone

[Robbnva]

Just cause somebody scum reads you, doesn’t mean you need to scum read them back.

You scum read me right away and when did I scum read you?

I didn’t scum read you right away. And idk when you scum read me. I didn’t know you did.

When I voted you, you had just made another useless post. I found it suspicious because you weren’t trying to play. The way you defended yourself , by trying to know why I voted you and not any of the others doing the same. I asked who they were and you refused to answer. I don’t see any of your posts as a player trying to find scum. So I felt you were probably scum.

[Robbnva]

Sorry guys. Have an audit at work today so have been busy. Will read up these past few pages eventually. I’ll skim later but if anyone wants to give me an dltr summary. I’d appreciate it.

[Robbnva]

TLDR*

[Robbnva]

Whole bunch of nothing really

charles is acting trollish

i'm being dumb

i think it's a whole bunch of towny nothing though

so I didn't miss much. that's good

[Robbnva]

Remind me. What was the town slip?

[Robbnva]

i think Kay's frozen scum

also +1 to the black townread

This here rob

Huh?

[Robbnva]

Gypyx thought Kay was in the game

But Roden said blackstar town slipped. That’s what I was asking about. I don’t remember that.

[Robbnva]

Personally I feel something was off with Blackstar claiming they never got a link to the game when I got a message where I was bcc’d on saying the game started and had a link. Black claims to have never received that message.

I forgot about that til now. Not sure what to make think about that.

[Robbnva]

There has been over 800 posts in the game and you’ve only made 12 of those. You’ve contributed almost nothing to the game.

You’re also not currently voting anyone nor are you actively trying to find scum. Your only vote came on half and only after others voted them. You didn’t feel like voting them before others did for some reason, despite you scum reading them.

you’re reaction to the cop claim was also not very towny imo.


People can’t make a stronger case on you because you have avoided this game. You have not made any useful contributions to the game and you aren’t looking for scum.


Some may say this is a policy lynch and maybe so but I always scum read people who don’t play toward a town win condition and you haven’t been playing towards a town win condition. I doubt you even make a case showing how you’re playing towards one.


Best case you’re scum. Worse case we get rid of dead weight and I can focus on actual scum.

[Robbnva]

bahh
UNVOTE:

that was a very very very.... fast claim
but whatever for now

I don’t see how town makes this post? If he legit scum read him, he’d question the claim but the bahh implies something else. It’s just a weird post to make from town. It’s something I could see from scum trying to emulate town though.

We really don’t know much until we see what half really is. We aren’t limming half though. That’s why I think an awesome lynch would actually be helpful to the game. If I’m wrong and he’s town, it’s an acceptable loss cause he’s still not contributing to the game.

Quoting my earlier analysis of awesome’s reaction. This was part of case against awesome. Not surprised awesome ignored it

[Robbnva]

Ugh. I keep using the wrong L word. I’m sorry. I need to work on removing it from my vocab

[Robbnva]

Ugh. I keep using the wrong L word. I’m sorry. I need to work on removing it from my vocab

I personally use Execute as it's (imo) more distinct, it should be able to avoid making a slip by virtue of inattention

Yeah. I just need to slow down and check my posts before posting.

[Robbnva]

Just realized that's e-2 on awesome. Which is basically e-1 with not mafia here

E-3 I think.

[Robbnva]

Oh my bad. E-2

[Robbnva]

You were trying to get votes on HT earlier when you thought random was going nowhere.

Now HT looks to be going nowhere. Join us on awesome?

[Robbnva]

You were trying to get votes on HT earlier when you thought random was going nowhere.

Now HT looks to be going nowhere. Join us on awesome?

Why Awesome and not Charles or Not_Mafia. What differentiates these slots to you?

Not mafia and I have a history and I’ve mentioned that I’m basically going to ignore them. If somebody started a wagon on them, I’d definitely join but being useless for NM, especially early game is par for the course.

I think Charles has been pretty useless and would be ok with their lynch as well.

Awesome has been inactive and scummy. Looks like fake scum hunting. Waiting for approval from others and a terrible reaction to their scum read claiming a PR.

[Robbnva]

You were trying to get votes on HT earlier when you thought awesome was going nowhere.

Now HT looks to be going nowhere. Join us on awesome?

Random

Corrected

[Robbnva]

i think it's funny how the strongest evidence anyone's come up for me is "this guy doesn't vote his scumreads"

this reads as scum annoyed they're getting caught for the wrong reasons

Agree with this.

[Robbnva]

• 1. HA if fakeclaiming
  2. NM if HA is real both contingent on other.
  3. Black
  4. Robbnva
  5. GB
  Joint 7. HT/Gypyx
  8. T3
  9. Charles
  10. LK
  11. Awesimeming
  12. Roden

I am the most obv town in the game

[Robbnva]

having awesome at 2nd most townie, there is something wrong here. Based on content, you can't say awesome has done anything to warrant a town read because they have done nothing this game. They have 12 posts out of 960 and they didn't push/vote their scum read until a wagon was forming. Also their reaction to their only scum read claiming town PR doesn't fit how a normal person would react.

[Robbnva]

• 1. HA if fakeclaiming
  2. NM if HA is real both contingent on other.
  3. Black
  4. Robbnva
  5. GB
  Joint 7. HT/Gypyx
  8. T3
  9. Charles
  10. LK
  11. Awesimeming
  12. Roden

I am the most obv town in the game

To who?

should be obvious to everyone, clearly you don't agree but you have lied about me on at least 2 occasions so you are either scum or really bad town. Town generally shouldn't intentionally lie. There are exceptions but this isn't one of them

[Robbnva]

why is the awesome wagon falling apart?

[Robbnva]

Awesomeming never posts a lot especially not on DP1s.

Metadive him a bit and stick to ISOs.

When he is Scum he tunnels and aggravates others more. When he is Town he does things like suddenly voting HA there and disengaging if it goes wrong and just not caring.

He never tryhards ever. Show me I am wrong.

I am not really a fan of meta since it can be manipulated,

plus they only have one completed game and in that game they were town and they voted at least 6 different people and even had some content in some of their posts.

So comparing that game to this game, meta says Awesome is probably scum here.


So now that I lowered myself to using meta and meta suggests their play doesn't match their only completed town game.

Are you ready to vote Awesome?

[Robbnva]

Robb calling me a liar, pushing on awesomeming instead of me, that's shady as fuck.

why is that shady? As much as I hate it, town lie all the time. (or did back when I used to play, can't speak to current site meta)

[Robbnva]

This was me typing, seeming like a quote:

I wanted a fast NoElim and will advocate that, annoying or not, every DP1 of a 13 person normal game I am in as that's just straight up optimal.

I want Black or Robb over GB. Black Vs Robb has 1 scum in it, I am telling you.

Well it isn't me. can't speak for black but it looks like you could be lining up mis-eliminations.

[Robbnva]

could not tell the lies in a timely manner yet had the time to post other things, despite me directly asking him to state the lies immediately.

nobody asked me to point them out, plus I already called you out on them when they happened, so who is the shady one? You

[Robbnva]

This was me typing, seeming like a quote:

I wanted a fast NoElim and will advocate that, annoying or not, every DP1 of a 13 person normal game I am in as that's just straight up optimal.

I want Black or Robb over GB. Black Vs Robb has 1 scum in it, I am telling you.

Well it isn't me. can't speak for black but it looks like you could be lining up mis-eliminations.

This is an idiotic thing someone one day came up with that idk how it caught on.

Scum don't need to line anything up as they can make up new reads in a new DP easily. Town are more concerned with outing reads for others to consider later if they, the Townie, are dead. If I am Scum I don't need to line anything up at all, if anything that limits me being able to easily kill you or Black, based on what you're saying.

Scum do sometimes state false reads to vote in the future. My point is it's a nulltell leaning to towntell. It's not a scumtell.

If GB flips Scum was I still lining up miselims under your theory?

this is a tactic I have seen on this site and used in the past, so it isn't idiotic at all.

Nothing you have posted so far has appeared townie, I gave you a town read early on because of the whole NL thing but in reality that isn't very AI.

[Robbnva]

State them right now.

I actually missed this post.

Lie 1 and included where I pointed out your lie right after you said it.

quote=RationalMadman post_id=14180108 time=1715478555 user_id=22424]
Meanwhile you've pressured nobody at all and just been a wordy bystander yet scumread him for being that despite him not being it.
[/quote]

I was one of the first real votes of the game and pressured hu for quite a while. I then eventually switched to awesome and pressured them. So that’s not true at all.

Lie 2 and me calling it out.

Robb suddenly wanting to vote me is not at all Towny btw, robb basically goes back and forth on his reads relentlessly

Except I don’t suddenly want to vote you off and I haven’t gone back and forth on my reads. My sc reads have remained the same

mic drop

[Robbnva]

Meanwhile you've pressured nobody at all and just been a wordy bystander yet scumread him for being that despite him not being it.

my post got messed up, here is the first lie you told

[Robbnva]

Whose the liar now

Still you. missing a post =/= intentionally lying twice like you did

[Robbnva]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: robnnva

Gaslighting liar caught.

now that I proved you did lie and I caught you twice, you should unvote and apologize for accusing me of gaslighting.

[Robbnva]

That's straight up caught red handed slipping.

missing a post isn't caught red handed.

I caught you red handed lying twice though. Are you going to admit your mistake and unvote me, or are you going to keep gaslighting me?

[Robbnva]

what rational does next may not tell me much about his alignment but it will tell me everything about them as a person.

[Robbnva]

I'm sure you can do better than imitating madman's style of namecall

I am not name calling anyone

[Robbnva]

That's straight up caught red handed slipping.

missing a post isn't caught red handed.

I caught you red handed lying twice though. Are you going to admit your mistake and unvote me, or are you going to keep gaslighting me?

I'm sure you can do better than imitating madman's style of namecall

like, reminder here but this is supposed to be a newbie friendly environnement, a simple normal, there's quite a few slots here that are new to the hobby and this is a very poor showing

I am curious why you directed this at me and not Rational? Rational is the one being aggressive, I would dare even say borderline toxic.

[Robbnva]

having come off being banned for 4 years for being agressive/toxic, I am very sensitive to these kinds of accusations. I don't feel like I have been toxic or agressive until I matched Rational's aggressiveness.

Accusing me of gaslighting him because I missed a post he made is ridiculous. If anyone is guilty of gaslighting, it is rational.

[Robbnva]

I won't continue engaging with rational though, if he chooses not to admit his mistakes and apologize, that is their right I guess, but it lets me know what kind of person they are and I will deal with that in my own way.

[Robbnva]

I won't continue engaging with rational though, if he chooses not to admit his mistakes and apologize, that is their right I guess, but it lets me know what kind of person they are and I will deal with that in my own way.

can somebody please respond to rational and show him the post where I admit I missed his post asking me for examples, and also show him the post where I for a 2nd time, pointed out his lies. The first time being right after he made them of course.

[Robbnva]

I am not going to de-rail the awesome wagon, but Rational is scum also. Town would have saw my mistake of missing a post, and would have seen I had twice called out their lies and backed down/apologized. He comes back to the thread straight from his mafia forum and double down.

if me missing one post is a scum slip, he missed multiple so that makes it even more of a scum slip by the same logic

[Robbnva]

i think the Rational / rob argument is TvT

with this i'm expecting scum to sit more on the sidelines, hoping that town will keep on eating itself

There is no more Rob v rational anymore.

They have shown who they are as a person and didn’t apologize. I won’t name call but people who refuse to be accountable are generally toxic people irl and if I engage here, I could revert to being toxic and I can’t afford to do that.

[Robbnva]

awesome was at e-2 and should be the lynch today. If not them, HT or Rational would be acceptable but don't think anyone wil go for Rational today.

[Robbnva]

should be the elimination today*

[Robbnva]

well if one ever forms, I will join, regardless what day that it is.

[Robbnva]

looks like awesome is at E-3

[Robbnva]

my apologies to everyone including Rational for using the G word. I forgot that was added to the rules of the site and even though it was directed to me first, there is no excuse to break site rues. I also apologize for using the L word again. Playing mafia for 20 years, that word is a hard one to stop using but I will try even harder going forward.

[Robbnva]

would be great if we could consolidate

pick 2 wagons you wanna go for

LK/Rational

Could compromise on ming I suppose

I would support a Rational lynch but that doesn't seem to be happening today. Awesome/ming is the largest wagon right now and deadline is approaching so all aboard?

[Robbnva]

I will ask everyone to please ensure one of rational and myself do not arrive at MELO or ELO because if somehow both of are town, mafia will win.

[Robbnva]

MEOL and EOL I think is the correct way

[Robbnva]

I think they don't use that anymore because of the L word.

Mis Eliminate Or Lose or Eliminate or Lose.

either way, rational and I being there together if both are town, is auto town lose. Though I don't think they are town and that thought process will only change if there is actually a cop with an innocent on them. And in that instance, they probably wouldn't be alive at that point.

[Robbnva]

I think they don't use that anymore because of the L word.

Mis Eliminate Or Lose or Eliminate or Lose.

either way, rational and I being there together if both are town, is auto town lose. Though I don't think they are town and that thought process will only change if there is actually a cop with an innocent on them. And in that instance, they probably wouldn't be alive at that point.

Actually people use MELo and ELo

as in MisEliminate and LOse and Eliminate or LOse

acronyms are weird

well mylo and lylo were technically wrong also

[Robbnva]

I get busy for 2 days and then I'm 20 pages behind smh

you didn't miss much except a fight between rational and I.

Awesome is at E-3 I believe.

Awesome' s only new contribution to the game was " I can't believe the biggest case for me was I didn't vote a scum read"

which to me sounds like "I can't believe I got caught for that"

[Robbnva]

rational tried to argue this is awesome's town meta but Awesome's only completed game as town is different than his play here so the meta defense didn't really support rational's claim.

[Robbnva]

I am not really a fan of meta since it can be manipulated,

plus they only have one completed game and in that game they were town and they voted at least 6 different people and even had some content in some of their posts.

Here is my summary one Awesome's one completed game

[Robbnva]

you didn't miss much except a fight between rational and I.

I've been filtering out like 50% of what RMM has saying

I do very much agree that people are townreading RMM for his personality though

Good idea. I’ve now filtered out 100% of what they say now. Even better idea.

[Robbnva]

VOTE: Awesome

E-1

Vote count was incorrect. You just hammered.

just kidding:lol:

[Robbnva]

Aww man. How do you do the other spoilers?

[Robbnva]

Code: Select all

[spoiler=][/spoiler]

Like that

[spoiler*][/spoiler]

That’s what I used and it made the black bar over the text.

[Robbnva]

I use mafblack and see that clearly.

[Robbnva]

Is it worth speculating why two people replaced out of the same slot or nah?

[Robbnva]

Is it worth speculating why two people replaced out of the same slot or nah?

Well one replaced out because they were banned so that's 1 less to the count

but even if the above wasn't true nah, let's preserve game integrity

Forgot about the ban. lol

[Robbnva]

I mean I can’t blame vigging NM.

VOTE: half

[Robbnva]

Town investigative role just died.

[Robbnva]

I mean I’ve been out of it for 4 years but I don’t feel that’s balanced. It was already unlikely of just a cop but now with a gunsmith and cop? I’d have to check and see if that’s ever been done before. I’ve gone through normal reviews before.

[Robbnva]

^that

[Robbnva]

I can't believe that would pass review. I know vig is considered a negative utility but still, that seems hard to balance

[Robbnva]

I agree with that lol

[Robbnva]

i mean i did try to gently steer the thread away from that misconception without outright saying it. no one was paying me any mind at that point, though.

where did you do that? which post?

[Robbnva]

well that isn't much. You could also be odd night mafia cop. I don't know much about "Simple" setups but town having ungated vig, ungated gunsmith, and odd night cop seems more than simple.

I still need to look over the completed games and review previous simple mafia setups to see what kind of setups have been run

[Robbnva]

VOTE: black

Just my gut

[Robbnva]

I do yeah. Because first as it was growing he voted awesome for being the worst vote on the half wagon and it kept growing. Being e-1 isn’t a guarantee for a lynch and if it does, why not be on it for town cred. I don’t think he really scum read half since he was looking on the wagon for scum originally.

[Robbnva]

awesomeming, black, jacksonvirgo probably town

rationalmadman, hu tao, robbnva maybe scum

I’m leaning to both black/jackson slots as possible scum. Black makes more sense. I haven’t really paid attention to the other player that much.

[Robbnva]

anyway i'm a town cop. didn't expect to be made to claim over literally nothing but here we are.

my crumbs are here:

evidently

, i don't agree.

and here:

fair enough lol.

c

an't

o

verly

p

ick fault in that

How in the balls is “evidently” a crumb? Also the cop crumb is a bruh moment

This is the only mention of half. Could see this coming from either alignment

[Robbnva]

I don’t have much to add right now. Waiting on input from Charles and Psych.

[Robbnva]

I don’t have much to add right now. Waiting on input from Charles and Psych.

Not happening with charles i think bud, sorry

Not feeling optimistic we’ll get input from either tbh.

[Robbnva]

Robbnva, Roden, Gypyx are my current preferred pool of eliminations for today.

Can you explain these scumreads?

Ming wagoneers who seem to have coordinated a push against you in the night or specifically Gyphx and Roden who saw town rob go on your and thought they would have more support if they piled on.

Given half flipped scum. What’s your opinion on my opinion that black was trying to start a counter wagon, by voting somebody who was voting half, and then gave up that idea and joined the half wagon late for no apparent reason. Essentially doing a 180 for no apparent reason.

Can you see scum black doing that to distance/bus from half? Or you just blindly accept black is town?


Can you also point me to where you explain why town seems to be one of your biggest town reads?


My gut plus half’s reads still says you/black are probably last scum and your defense of black today doesn’t really do much to weaken that.

[Robbnva]

If gyphx/roden are scum, that would be a bad play for both to vote black like that. Imo.

[Robbnva]

Day one greedy was scum reading black so I definitely would love to read an explanation on how that 180 happened.

[Robbnva]

My gut plus half’s reads still says you/black are probably last scum and your defense of black today doesn’t really do much to weaken that

Your gut is wrong, and HA's reads don't implicate me at all. It feels like you're trying to force this for some reason

His reads plus the way you tried to vote somebody on their wagon and doing a 180 for no reason contributed to my gut read. By all means you can try and justify your behavior and I’ll consider it but I just can’t see how town you would do that. Town don’t just do a 180 for no reason

[Robbnva]

VOTE: awesomeming

This is the worst vote on the halfasleep wagon

VOTE: halfasleep

e-1

Between these two posts there is no reasoning given for the 180. Feel free to point out what I’ve missed.

[Robbnva]

Day one greedy was scum reading black so I definitely would love to read an explanation on how that 180 happened.

Very annoyed scum player who thought I would be with them on the black wagon today.

Huh?

If you are town, you don’t know if the “very annoyed scum player” is actually scum or not and that alone doesn’t warrant a 180. So you have no actual reason for doing a 180?


Honestly this all just makes it seem like you and black and scum together but you can’t really afford to lose them so you have to do a 180 go try and save them.


Just my opinion.

If you both can better justify your 180s, I’ll consider what you have to say but neither of you have and not sure if you can.

[Robbnva]

My gut plus half’s reads still says you/black are probably last scum and your defense of black today doesn’t really do much to weaken that

Your gut is wrong, and HA's reads don't implicate me at all. It feels like you're trying to force this for some reason

His reads plus the way you tried to vote somebody on their wagon and doing a 180 for no reason contributed to my gut read. By all means you can try and justify your behavior and I’ll consider it but I just can’t see how town you would do that. Town don’t just do a 180 for no reason

I have 2 reasons for my 180. One pretty explicitly stated and another predictable based on my other opinions in the game. If you are town and can find these without me saying it might actually help you read me. If you ask me again I will directly provide them.

The one you just stated is the one I assume you mean and that’s not nearly a good enough reason.

If you’ve explained your 180 in other posts, please direct me to the post number but I don’t really see anything that doesn’t look like you distancing from your partner now you’re against the ropes.

[Robbnva]

What is your mafia experience?

[Robbnva]

Thanks black, I don’t really find that convincing, especially if you knew that half was going to be fake claiming.

I had to check the wiki and scum probably have day talk so I don’t see a reason to do a 180, unless it’s for distancing reasons.

Maybe others will agree with you. I’m good with my vote.

[Robbnva]

What is your mafia experience?

Games on an old guild forum. 2 newbies here under a name I can't seem to find. Other party or more casual social deduction games like TOS or BotC

So you’re aware of the concepts of budding/distancing then correct?

[Robbnva]

If you both can better justify your 180s, I’ll consider what you have to say but neither of you have and not sure if you can.

Do you actually think town can't have fluid reads? I'm having an extremely hard time believing that

Not really.

I do think towns reads can change if there is adequate justification for them to change. I just haven’t seen adequate justification from either of you though.

[Robbnva]

I had to check the wiki and scum probably have day talk so I don’t see a reason to do a 180, unless it’s for distancing reasons.

How could you check the wiki and still not come away with a definitive answer?

Because Wikipedia isn’t a reliable source of information for anything. I never trust wiki 100% even if it’s the site wiki.

[Robbnva]

What is your mafia experience?

Games on an old guild forum. 2 newbies here under a name I can't seem to find. Other party or more casual social deduction games like TOS or BotC

So you’re aware of the concepts of budding/distancing then correct?

I sure am.

What i'm not buying is seeing how fake the pressure was on the first HA wagon and any good player thinking they needed to, then and there, give up on HA's slot in the game over many better alternatives.

If they discussed fake claiming, you can’t see a world where black scum puts their partner at e-1 for town cred?

[Robbnva]

The wiki does not explictly state what the default for a simple normal would be and it's never specified as daytalk. If the unspoken default is daytalk then i'd be very surprised given the tiny amounts I can remember about this place when I did my newbies a decade ago

The wiki for normal games say day talk is active.

Would imagine it still allows for simple but that’s part of why I said probably

“ Mafia universally has Daytalk in all circumstances.”

[Robbnva]

I do think towns reads can change if there is adequate justification for them to change. I just haven’t seen adequate justification from either of you though.

Then you must not be familiar with me or players that play similarly to me. My reads are very fluid, especially D1

I’m not familiar with you at all. I have trouble believing people can just do a 180 for no reason. I’ve always been like that though.

[Robbnva]

Robb ignoring a very provable fact that a) townies play fluid and b) some townies play more fluid than others seems very bad faith to me

Not ignoring. Having trouble believing

[Robbnva]

What i'm not buying is seeing how fake the pressure was on the first HA wagon and any good player thinking they needed to, then and there, give up on HA's slot in the game over many better alternatives.

If they discussed fake claiming, you can’t see a world where black scum puts their partner at e-1 for town cred?

On a wagon that's going somewhere sure. On my actual scum partner who might panic and throw away their slot, or that N_M might instantly hammer, and whos wagon was very deconstructable? Not really. It was all risk no reward.
[/quote]

are you saying half is your actual scum partner or am I just misreading/misunderstanding?


And half’s wagon wasn’t deconstructable imo. Had they not fake claimed they probably would have been the lim

[Robbnva]

I do think towns reads can change if there is adequate justification for them to change. I just haven’t seen adequate justification from either of you though.

Then you must not be familiar with me or players that play similarly to me. My reads are very fluid, especially D1

I’m not familiar with you at all. I have trouble believing people can just do a 180 for no good reason. I’ve always been like that though.

You keep repeating "for no reason" even though I have shown you my reasons. And if you've always been like this then surely you've been wrong about fluid townies in the past, so if that's true then why would you not learn from that and realize "ok maybe this is NAI"?

Fixed my post. When somebody doesn’t have a good reason, I eliminate that as an actual reason I. My mind.

[Robbnva]

Robb ignoring a very provable fact that a) townies play fluid and b) some townies play more fluid than others seems very bad faith to me

Not ignoring. Having trouble believing


I have to run for now. Be back later.

Do you see anyone disputing the fact that townies play fluid sometimes? That I typically play fluid on D1 as shown in almost every game I've played? That should be an indicator that you're probably wrong about townies not doing 180s

I’ve played mafia nearly 20 years now. If I don’t believe town has fluid reads by now, I’m not sure that opinion will ever change. Reads change because of something. I rely on facts/evidence to change my read and also believe others have a good enough reason to change theirs.


If I don’t find their reasons believable then I have trouble believing the person. I’m kind of stubborn like that.

[Robbnva]

The idea that Robb has near 8000 posts and is claiming to have never seen a townie lie about or change day 1 reads very quickly is pretty insane.

I mean it’s been a while since I’ve last played but I generally don’t accept that town lies and usually scum read those people. Depending on the lie I’ve even blacklisted players. There are very few reasons where it’s acceptable for town to lie none of which are applicable here.

I honestly can’t remember what I’ve done in the past when people have changed their reads, but I’m pretty sure I’m consistent in that if there isn’t a good reason for it, I’ll be suspicious of it.

The reasons provided aren’t convincing to me but i’m just one player so you don’t need me to agree with you.

[Robbnva]

I rely on facts/evidence to change my read and also believe others have a good enough reason to change theirs.

You are scumreading me because I don't play like you. If you don't understand the flaw in your logic then I can't help you find me as town

That’s not true.

I’m scum reading you because you look the most suspicious on the half wagon. You putting him at e-1 despite looking for scum on their wagon stands out as suspicious to me.

[Robbnva]

I rely on facts/evidence to change my read and also believe others have a good enough reason to change theirs.

You are scumreading me because I don't play like you. If you don't understand the flaw in your logic then I can't help you find me as town

That’s not true.

I’m scum reading you because you look the most suspicious on the half wagon. You putting him at e-1 despite looking for scum on their wagon stands out as suspicious to me.

From what I see black is not the person to look at. She feels like she wanted to get info out of HA like me so put her in e-1. I feel greedy could die for their play being inconsistent from my pov.

Unvote: Charles

Vote: Greedy

I’m sticking with my gut and keeping my vote on black but greedy isn’t doing much to help themselves not look like black’s partner so I support the vote.

[Robbnva]

I mean it’s been a while since I’ve last played but I generally don’t accept that town lies and usually scum read those people

Now you are accusing me of lying? Wtf?

Huh? I wasn’t even responding to you.

Greedy mentioned something about townies lying and that’s what I was responding to.

[Robbnva]

I rely on facts/evidence to change my read and also believe others have a good enough reason to change theirs.

You are scumreading me because I don't play like you. If you don't understand the flaw in your logic then I can't help you find me as town

That’s not true.

I’m scum reading you because you look the most suspicious on the half wagon. You putting him at e-1 despite looking for scum on their wagon stands out as suspicious to me.

HA's pronouns are she/her

And yeah. This just boils down to you thinking "surely a townie doesn't change their reads so easily" because you don't change your reads easily as town. Your gut feeling is based on the assumptions that townies don't play fluid, and it's an incorrect assumption

My apology at forgetting people’s pronouns. I’m sorry I just don’t have them memorized and when I post on my phone I can’t see them.

I’ll try and keep from using gender specific pronouns going forward.

[Robbnva]

If you want to know Robb's thought process then you should probably ask Robb

Robbs probably scum who asked the question to try and reinforce the anti black POV of the game they felt I had.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Robbnva

What question did I ask?

[Robbnva]

I’m sticking with my gut and keeping my vote on black but greedy isn’t doing much to help themselves not look like black’s partner so I support the vote.

Why was scum GreedyBanger so set on cansandraing the Ming wagon day 1? Was it for towncred to cash in here and then die? Is it in scum Greedybangers interest to tie myself to my partner this closely on day 3 down a scum already.

Maybe I just don't like obviously scum led wagons.

What does cansandraing mean? I dont understand what you’re asking me.

[Robbnva]

The ISO drop down list at the bottom of the page lists everyone's pronouns

But when I’m in my mobile that isn’t available to me when I’m quoting somebody.

I’ll figure out a way to prevent these issues going forward. I promise it’s not intentional at all and more just me not remembering.

[Robbnva]

What sparked that realization?

It having been pointed out to me that the list wasnt exhaustive and thinking more about what this Black wagon could be.

What do you think Robbs goals where in bringing up that reads list to me Roden.

What reads list did I bring up to you?

[Robbnva]

If you want to know Robb's thought process then you should probably ask Robb

Robbs probably scum who asked the question to try and reinforce the anti black POV of the game they felt I had.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Robbnva

What question did I ask?

Maybe it wasnt brought up in the form of a question but you resurfaced 252 at a time where it would have been convenient for the scum team SO CLEARLY trying to kill Black to have myself and black question each other.

Im confused.

[Robbnva]

What sparked that realization?

It having been pointed out to me that the list wasnt exhaustive and thinking more about what this Black wagon could be.

What do you think Robbs goals where in bringing up that reads list to me Roden.

What reads list did I bring up to you?

252

I didn’t bring that up to you specifically though. So I’m confused

[Robbnva]

I’m sticking with my gut and keeping my vote on black but greedy isn’t doing much to help themselves not look like black’s partner so I support the vote.

Why was scum GreedyBanger so set on cansandraing the Ming wagon day 1? Was it for towncred to cash in here and then die? Is it in scum Greedybangers interest to tie myself to my partner this closely on day 3 down a scum already.

Maybe I just don't like obviously scum led wagons.

What does cansandraing mean? I dont understand what you’re asking me.

Casandra is a mythological figure of someone who could tell the future, but nobody would believe her.

Oh ok.

The short answer is I have no clue. I’d need to go back and re-read your day one posts. I’ll have to do that tomorrow when I’m on my laptop.

[Robbnva]

What sparked that realization?

It having been pointed out to me that the list wasnt exhaustive and thinking more about what this Black wagon could be.

What do you think Robbs goals where in bringing up that reads list to me Roden.

What reads list did I bring up to you?

252

I didn’t bring that up to you specifically though. So I’m confused

So I provide the theory where you used 252 to imply to myself and black that either of us look pretty bad due to a confscum's reads list and your response to this was that you couldn't have done this because you didn't address it specifically?

I quoted 252 to explain why I had the reads that I had. They were meant for everyone, not specifically you or black. I wasn’t talking to either of you at the time.

[Robbnva]

I’ll try and find time this day phase to reread you/black/roden/gypx

[Robbnva]

I’m not worried about what you’re accusing me of.

You said I brought up the reads list to you and black, which is just not true. Im not expecting you to believe me, I’ll leave that up to each individual player.

Im also not going to try and wow you, or anyone for that matter. So keep waiting for that.

[Robbnva]

The only time I’ve ever wowed anyone in a game of mafia was the unvote heard around the world (humble brag)