TM 2023 | Mini Normal | Endgame

[Ydrasse]

Hi

[Ydrasse]

Hi

is that all u have to say?

Yea :D

[Ydrasse]

Hi

is that all u have to say?

Yea :D

how about teammates

No :(

[Ydrasse]

Hmmmmmmmmm
Much to think about
Very interesting
A lot to consider here

[Ydrasse]

epic pagetop

anyways to disclose i whined about this playerlist a little bit if only because i know it's going to be like, 50 people butting heads probably and posting 13073489 times and im going to be -_- about it when we hit page 300, and im here to talk now (and will probably be most active on weekends when im not playing video game)

i have one read but im letting it ferment

[Ydrasse]

i am pondering the situation as we speak

also though i think youre gonna be >:( about it koba i dont think that vote is going to get you what you want atm

[Ydrasse]

(and will probably be most active on weekends when im not playing video game

Oh, what are you playing? Let me judge your entertainment taste! (you can judge mine later if you want to)

i have a ghost hunting gang for phasmophobia and we find ghosts on the daily, sometimes dying in the process!

[Ydrasse]

both dunn and peta think that koba is town rn, cringey but town

[Ydrasse]

counterwagon

VOTE: aisa

[Ydrasse]

[Ydrasse]

Koba seems Somewhat Different from that game they were in 9 months ago when they were scum that I was also in. I can townread them now right?

counterwagon

VOTE: aisa

Now, now. Why do you slander my good name?

what are your thoughts so far?

[Ydrasse]

UNVOTE:

for reference i voted aisa because i thought their opening was a little stilted ie mirror someone's vote on them rather than post something wholly unique and the .1% thing in reference to me felt nervous to take much of a stance. i also thought that their reply to me in 94 wasn't as telling as i wanted but

Oh and I wanna know why mastina thinks I'm town
There are so many questions of that sort I could direct to various people that I'm almost feeling a bit of choice paralysis lol

felt like a towny thing to say, i guess it could be a copout but tonally i believe it

[Ydrasse]

i dont follow, what did mala twist?

[Ydrasse]

i dont follow, what did mala twist?

VOTE: Mastina

Cringe.

VOTE: Mala
omgus is cringe

also mastina regrettably town and confirms me as town

We aren’t playing this stupid game again.

This is exactly what scum!stina did in the mulitball game where she fucken slid under the claim of “beloved princess” before being shot by scum.

This is exactly the same damn opening, with the same damn pings that I got, but the difference between that game and this game?
I needed her alive bc I was the other scum team.

This time I’m town and I don’t need to trust anyone but myself.

i guess it follows then mala needs to clarify what she's seeing in mastina more
i get the gist of it but i wanna know if its anything more than seeing something similar

[Ydrasse]

viewtopic.php?t=89363

Here’s the game in question from prev ^

I also had another two games in similar realms that had the same type of scummy feeling.

Now look at Mastina first post of that game she was claiming beloved princess.

Here she is a bit more relaxed with “I’m a mason”.
Then we have the sort sort and wall list of reads that legitimately make zero sense
And then we have Mastina trying to pocket up on aisa in a very similar way to how she did it to Norwee that game.

Is my read 100% solid? No, but right now it’s something that I’m going to pressure and see where this leads.

mmm
i don't think that on a quick skim that you can compare the mastina/norwee dynamic to the mastina/aisa one as much due to familiarity between the former two, also i think there it looks like mastina invested a lot more into explaining the norwee reasoning and build a mini narrative compared to the read on aisa here which feels... stripped back in comparison, and less caring about how she's perceived

[Ydrasse]

(also i missed saying it but hi xof!)

[Ydrasse]

I think xofelf, mala, aisa and ydrasse are town

that seems like a very arbitrary list of 4 - can you ellaborate?

xofelf - I don't thiiink I've played with xof as scum? But this sounds like xof-town. The initial vote on me had the right level of spunk, and the subtle confidence in being able to read DGB were good signs imo.

Mala - The conviction behind mastina is unusual for mala as scum imo.

Aisa - I believe the reaction of RVS voting me with the exact same post would be more over-thought by scum. The talking about their reads feels very natural. I think mastina actually put it really well. Oh yes, and the unapologetic "I will sit back" type post was good.

Ydrasse - Maybe a slightly weaker read than the other three, but I liked the read progression on Aisa and idk the woe re: the likely exponentially increasing post count resonated with me. Bring back the slow pace of last TM's mini normal!

Dearest DeasVail,

I hope that this letter reaches you well on this fine Sunday evening!

Recently, my company has noticed that you have posted on the public gaming website "MafiaScum" that you see some value in the Ydrasse stock. And let it be known that my company, TownHunting Inc., has noticed in kind the caliber of your posting thus far, as small as it may be.

TownHunting Inc. sees merit in a mutual agreement of working together, in order to help the town sector grow in this trying environment. Please indicate via formal reply if this would be of interest to you.

Respectfully, Ydrasse.

[marked important]

[Ydrasse]

Dearest DeasVail,

I hope that this letter reaches you well on this fine Sunday evening!

Recently, my company has noticed that you have posted on the public gaming website "MafiaScum" that you see some value in the Ydrasse stock. And let it be known that my company, TownHunting Inc., has noticed in kind the caliber of your posting thus far, as small as it may be.

TownHunting Inc. sees merit in a mutual agreement of working together, in order to help the town sector grow in this trying environment. Please indicate via formal reply if this would be of interest to you.

Respectfully, Ydrasse.

[marked important]

[URGENTT - ACTION REQURED]

Salutations!

The letter has found me on Monday morning, but has made such misery less miserable, and for that I thank you.

I suspect that our correspondence may not be private, but I see promise in TownHunting Inc. and do not see the publicity as a bad thing, necessarily. From little things, big things grow, and I see potential in this town sector.

Is there anyone else who you would like to include in TownHunting Inc.?

Sincerely,
DeasVail

Hello,

TownHunting Inc. is not currently interested in the privatization of our research for the sake of profit alone, as unusual as it may be; we here believe that there is a global benefit to finding the goodness of people should it make itself known.

Our research and development team feels some amount of comfort with the names that you have previously suggested, though they are still going through the rigorous process of quality assurance. While we see no fault currently with the suggestions, we are working nonstop to verify that we can reach the same conclusions.

That is, to say, we believe we agree beyond some personal doubts -- one of which, at least, was both brought to light and then tested and tempered down -- that can be rectified in time should they become more troublesome to correct.

Thank you,
Ydrasse.

[Ydrasse]

(normalspeak time)
i think i agree most with the mala read, it's not an unreasonable one for her to have and she doesnt feel very threatened or like, on edge i guess as if she was pretending to feel that strongly and then being challenged
wrt aisa and xof i've had shallow suspicions on both but their posts after their openings have been better, i don't think i stated the xof one but i thought that them saying that they'd be back later could be the nervous sort of thing a wolf posts when they want everyone to know they're present and here but also they might have just wanted to be here for the start and then slept so i can't put a lot of weight into that

[Ydrasse]

ydrasse capitalism arc?

yeah :)

[Ydrasse]

who do you think is wolfy currently, arko? your posts don't reflect it :<

[Ydrasse]

Ydra do you have like experience with xoffy?

some but not a lot, why do you ask?

[Ydrasse]

also @aisa i recognize that yes, mala could be faking a tunnel to avoid reads elsewhere or to make it seem like she’s invested in what she “believes” but i don’t get the sense she’s doing that and i also don’t think that it’s particularly beneficial this early on to do so? maybe i’m wrong but it feels as if digging down and yelling could cause more issues than it’s worth if she can just follow the vibe of the thread which is imo pretty loose and without super strong suspicions and blocks forming yet (arguably townhunters inc is the starts of one but meh)

[Ydrasse]

on a broader note to your other point though i feel as if this should (?) be recognizable as how i play town compared to wolf if you wanted to do any meta work though my ego is pleased a little regardless lol

[Ydrasse]

Ydra do you have like experience with xoffy?

some but not a lot, why do you ask?

It's because this is just how xoffy is in mafia games, particularly with the "popping in and not doing much" thing. Datisi was very adamant that I should ask you about it because he thinks you should know better. I don't really feel as strongly as he does about it, but I think there's a point there.

i can’t recall a game other than my first team mafia that i played with them?

[Ydrasse]

Ydra do you have like experience with xoffy?

some but not a lot, why do you ask?

It's because this is just how xoffy is in mafia games, particularly with the "popping in and not doing much" thing. Datisi was very adamant that I should ask you about it because he thinks you should know better. I don't really feel as strongly as he does about it, but I think there's a point there.

i just went and checked and there was also the large normal as well, but i’m a little confused about the adamancy of the stance i guess?

like it was something i didn’t even post in thread until expanding on what was a townread because i recognized it didn’t really hold weight but it was still on my mind at the beginning of the game.

did he expand on what me not knowing that about xof meant for like my alignment or do you have any other thoughts on it? the way you put it feels like “should know better” is an indictment of my play but i dunno on what direction it goes for either me or xof

[Ydrasse]

He has elaborated

He thinks given your experience with them in large 241 + the last TM, in which xof had similar posts (and that xofelf is kind of prodge-prone in general, sorry xoffy) you probably did know better, and you also noted something like that in your original post. He thinks that if town!ydrasse has that thought, they don't believe it and don't post it, but scum ydrasse would post it to show that they are thinking about the game and solving and stuff.

i'm uninterested in arguing this point because fmpov his assumption of me/what he thinks i act like is... fundamentally wrong which feels harsh to say but i often have mundane or uninteresting thoughts that i dont always share unless the moment feels right to do so. and also the fact that i wasn't even thinking about "does xof do this normally meta these games" undermines it. i don't think we get anything productive from exclusively this line

however it did ring some alarm bells because i feel like the strongest things i could remember about your posting were ones given by your team to you to post and i was worried that you were being coached but dunn read some and didn't come up with much to say about your slot other than liking a vote that you made on italiano so lol
(dunn thinks italiano is wolfy because of his concern about DGB without saying much among some other posts)
(i'm unsure if i agree but as suspicion was floated before about him might as well share)

[Ydrasse]

i love ignoring p-edits

[Ydrasse]

otherwise dunn likes mala, dv and koba, and leaned town on mastina

lld doesn't like aisa and wants them Dead Right Now Immediately which i also dont feel as if i 100% agree with but

Thoughts on Ydra.

Gun to head I would still call her null. Some of her posting feels quite natural. She's doing some scumhunting and while I don't always find her conclusions super solid I can easily see the world where her ISO is her actual thought process at this time.

But there is this one thing that bugs me:
I feel like the (look like I have thoughts) to (thoughts) ratio in her ISO is quite high. Mostly because (look like I have thoughts) is so high. She has a supremely easy to follow ISO at the moment because every little action and implication is made explicit. This is pro-town but perhaps something scum are even more incentivised to do than town?

UNVOTE:

for reference i voted aisa because i thought their opening was a little stilted ie mirror someone's vote on them rather than post something wholly unique and the .1% thing in reference to me felt nervous to take much of a stance. i also thought that their reply to me in 94 wasn't as telling as i wanted but

Oh and I wanna know why mastina thinks I'm town
There are so many questions of that sort I could direct to various people that I'm almost feeling a bit of choice paralysis lol

felt like a towny thing to say, i guess it could be a copout but tonally i believe it

The feeling started when she made this post.

Vote / question someone -> unvote after their reply
Is definitely a pattern I've seen from scum before

i think i agree most with the mala read, it's not an unreasonable one for her to have and she doesnt feel very threatened or like, on edge i guess as if she was pretending to feel that strongly and then being challenged

This is another thing that pinged me. Kinda agree with it, but at the same time am still wary of Mala because her read on mastina rings major "could be a scum tunnel" alarm bells. So Ydra comes across to me like she doesn't have this paranoia I am feeling, which in turn makes me wonder if this is just a sentence, packaged ready for consumption, rather than a read she actually has.

Any thoughts here from anyone who is more familiar with her?

VOTE: Kowahbunga

I'll bite. Why?

VOTE: kowah

Ali finally got to you?

UNVOTE: from RVS
VOTE: Shirou as a foreshadowing of things to come...

she doesn't like these posts because aisa says a lot about me (and this could be anyone i think this is me inserting my thoughts on the general idea beyond her pointing this out) without saying anything really strongly but it doesn't actually lead anywhere and it segues into a vote somewhere else with a vague promise which is the sort of thing of 'why not just do that now instead of talk about someone else'

this is from earlier though so idk how she feels about aisa's latest posts

[Ydrasse]

He has elaborated

He thinks given your experience with them in large 241 + the last TM, in which xof had similar posts (and that xofelf is kind of prodge-prone in general, sorry xoffy) you probably did know better, and you also noted something like that in your original post. He thinks that if town!ydrasse has that thought, they don't believe it and don't post it, but scum ydrasse would post it to show that they are thinking about the game and solving and stuff.

i'm uninterested in arguing this point because fmpov his assumption of me/what he thinks i act like is... fundamentally wrong which feels harsh to say but i often have mundane or uninteresting thoughts that i dont always share unless the moment feels right to do so. and also the fact that i wasn't even thinking about "does xof do this normally meta these games" undermines it. i don't think we get anything productive from exclusively this line

however it did ring some alarm bells because i feel like the strongest things i could remember about your posting were ones given by your team to you to post and i was worried that you were being coached but dunn read some and didn't come up with much to say about your slot other than liking a vote that you made on italiano so lol
(dunn thinks italiano is wolfy because of his concern about DGB without saying much among some other posts)
(i'm unsure if i agree but as suspicion was floated before about him might as well share)

Do you think i need coaching

i don't think you need it but it could still be a thing that's happening if he feels he knows a "better" or right thing to say. it weirded me out that his stances were like.. followed i guess? more? idk how to explain this, but the koba vote early on and then i thought the commentary about me was strange enough to talk to my team with

[Ydrasse]

I’m relatively surprised that Dunn likes me tbh.

he actually liked quite a few of your posts and i agree
\i'm agreeing more with the townreads than i am the scumreads

[Ydrasse]

He has elaborated

He thinks given your experience with them in large 241 + the last TM, in which xof had similar posts (and that xofelf is kind of prodge-prone in general, sorry xoffy) you probably did know better, and you also noted something like that in your original post. He thinks that if town!ydrasse has that thought, they don't believe it and don't post it, but scum ydrasse would post it to show that they are thinking about the game and solving and stuff.

i'm uninterested in arguing this point because fmpov his assumption of me/what he thinks i act like is... fundamentally wrong which feels harsh to say but i often have mundane or uninteresting thoughts that i dont always share unless the moment feels right to do so. and also the fact that i wasn't even thinking about "does xof do this normally meta these games" undermines it. i don't think we get anything productive from exclusively this line

however it did ring some alarm bells because i feel like the strongest things i could remember about your posting were ones given by your team to you to post and i was worried that you were being coached but dunn read some and didn't come up with much to say about your slot other than liking a vote that you made on italiano so lol
(dunn thinks italiano is wolfy because of his concern about DGB without saying much among some other posts)
(i'm unsure if i agree but as suspicion was floated before about him might as well share)

Do you think i need coaching

i don't think you need it but it could still be a thing that's happening if he feels he knows a "better" or right thing to say. it weirded me out that his stances were like.. followed i guess? more? idk how to explain this, but the koba vote early on and then i thought the commentary about me was strange enough to talk to my team with

You were talking about my posting as a whole being coached, not any specific instance. I'm not convinced you believe I as scum would need that kind of coaching after the last game we played together?

i said i thought you were being coached

"i feel like the strongest things i could remember about your posting were ones given by your team to you to post and i was worried that you were being coached"

but i did not indicate it was the whole of your posting. i think you are a competent wolf but that does not mean that you may not need additional help otherwise in games where there is benefit to let people who know more about others or have a firmer meta take the wheel. it is a team event and i'd expect people to help their team if they were wolves.

[Ydrasse]

dv is getting koba’d this game
classic experience

[Ydrasse]

skimmed a little at work
i think arko is a little towny
and that kowah is… either very towny new or very wolfy new which is like “thanks it says nothing” but the vibe towards koba is very ai i think and i invite other people to comment on that

i feel like as a defensive mechanism i’m not reading shirou or kobas posting thus far and it’s left me in a weird place where they’re both just null despite having said a lot. im going to be busy the next few days due to my brainworms regarding a video game but i’ll read their isos on breaks

also i don’t think ausuka ever replied to my last post towards her which i noticed so id like to know if that was intentional because it wasn’t productive or if there’s another reason

[Ydrasse]

i’ll vote after a vc. im ready to make my stand

[Ydrasse]

yeah, as much as I love her I could cut ydra head off this game and not regret it regardless of result so far I think

she feels similar to the dance game here

i don’t believe you believe this and if you do you’re going to have to give more depth than a throwaway statement

[Ydrasse]

viewtopic.php?p=13595015&f=56&t=90239&u ... #p13595015

my iso from that game shirou mentioned ^

[Ydrasse]

i think you’re either not reading my posts with much care or intentionally misrepresenting what i’ve done in that case

what is “noise”. i understand my posts aren’t the most organized but i feel i can distill my thoughts on the game from them easily if it’s a matter of actually understanding what i think and have shared

[Ydrasse]

im uninterested in that
as a whole i find this game unfun currently because i think the bits of suspicion towards me however light are bad and i’m annoyed i feel compelled to respond to them because duh.
i don’t believe you currently but i haven’t read your posts closely otherwise

i will not apologize for using more words than someone else would because that’s just how my brain works but i’ll attempt to make them clearer when im not on my phone at work posting

[Ydrasse]

i feel like as a defensive mechanism i’m not reading shirou or kobas posting thus far

actually the more I think about this the sadder It feels, not funny anymore I guess...

I thought at first it was about you feeling I was a hard read but is it about my vibes making the game "unfun"? It's fine to be honest if you think I'm being too much

the comment when it was made at the time had more to do with how you both can overtake games sometimes than it did specific vibes in this one

i was more frustrated after we spoke but that comment was silly, apologies it took on difference context after our posts

[Ydrasse]

is it any particular reason or the just *hand waves at the past page*
p-edit: i probably will looking at the vc but i want to organize my thoughts more in thread so italiano can respond if he wants rather than just fighting ghosts

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: kowah
i’ve reread italiano and while my head is… kind of in it my heart really isn’t. i don’t think that he’s done anything that egregious in his iso beyond being somewhat cagey (imo) and leaning more onto how he dislikes being treated in game but if it does happen a fair amount i understand wanting to snark more than contribute. i also don’t want to vote mala so.

[Ydrasse]

also i think im more likely wrong on italiano than mala being town because i’m having an easier time think of teams for him to be scum than her but it’s shaky ground

[Ydrasse]

dv, mala, mastina, xof
arko, dgb, koba
shirou, italiano
ausuka, aisa
kowah

~

you ever get the feeling you’re horribly wrong when you make a readslist or is it just me
also this is made without team input except for a few things they previously brought up, i’ll talk to them later about it

[Ydrasse]

question: does anyone like, have an actual townread on italiano at this point?
i feel as if recent memory is just everyone saying their teams find him weird or scummy or that they find him scummy themselves

[Ydrasse]

mmmmm

[Ydrasse]

ausuka you can have italianos spot on my reads list

[Ydrasse]

ausuka you can have italianos spot on my reads list

Isn't that basically the same spot

well fine stay where u are if u want

[Ydrasse]

ausuka you can have italianos spot on my reads list

Isn't that basically the same spot

well fine stay where u are if u want

If you were town you'd put me at the top of your readslist just saying

i think if i was a wolf and you were town i would do that because i’d be worried about making you feel bad but because i’m town i’m an asshole who doesn’t think youve been towny much at all until this page

[Ydrasse]

I’m town btw

[Ydrasse]

why are you so tense

[Ydrasse]

i don’t know if you know this but me saying “im town btw” is, in fact, also a joke
for the post preceding it i recognized it was a joke but found it a good place to put a sincere thought
so again don’t understand why you’re acting so tense not just here but like all game

[Ydrasse]

like christ we are not actually picking someone to kill in real life here lol

[Ydrasse]

????
you are being on edge for reasons i don’t get and i’m trying to offer some levity
if you genuinely think it is a good reason to scumread me that i did not reciprocate a joke go build your case and vote me (good luck with that though lol)

[Ydrasse]

otherwise these comments which continue the train of “you should know better” “town ydrasse wouldn’t engage with me like this” and so on are worthless shade and a waste of posting

[Ydrasse]

okay so are you gonna do anything about it or just keep saying it?

[Ydrasse]

mutual sentiment

[Ydrasse]

this wagon won't bear fruit so i suggest elsewhere atm
return to it later if you want but not rn

[Ydrasse]

this wagon won't bear fruit so i suggest elsewhere atm
return to it later if you want but not rn

going to reiterate this and hope people think for more than 2 seconds about the implications

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: arko
im running out of people i’m okay with killing today

[Ydrasse]

i spoke to my team about italiano some
some think he’s wolfy some think he’s town
the more i think about it though the impression of this game i get is that like a lot of people or teams are saying he’s weird or wolfy but it’s like no one is actually willing to vote him or even build up a wagon which like i think part of that could be that our game has some fairly quiet slots but on the other hand why is no wagon taking off. i kind of think the mafia might be reticent to start a wagon on their own or wagon together

[Ydrasse]

i also think that kowahs posting was sufficient enough, tone feels like they’re a righteous townie crusading in their solve lol

[Ydrasse]

evil has won today

~

im not inspired to join the italiano wagon (yet) but i think building wagons at this point beyond 3 votes would own

[Ydrasse]

i think arko is a player better read under pressure

[Ydrasse]

what does "look like i have thoughts" even mean in comparison to just having them
is it presentation or the way i talk because i literally dont. get it.

@dv i dont think itll make them more likely to post but i have an idea of what id expect from town arko vs scum based on skimming their other games

[Ydrasse]

your tone disarms me so arko

can you read at least the last few pages and see how you feel about what's been said if not the entire two days worth? i think right now there's a small mounting wagon on you (im on it ftr), and italiano who has a larger one.

[Ydrasse]

i thought someone else did

[Ydrasse]

I am a liar and a fraud italiano's wagon isnt that big

[Ydrasse]

UNVOTE:

[Ydrasse]

I like the Shirou and Kowah votes on Koba and I feel a lot better about both of them than I did previously. I would say that I'm sympathetic to the Koba wagon and particularly resonate with skepticism of the Koba townreads and Shiro's bothered-ness by this, and Koba is probably the slot I've agonised over the most, but I don't feel personally able to join in on that, at least not right now.

Ydrasse, I'd be particularly interested to know what direction you're wanting to move in at the moment, particularly why the hestitation on Italiano and why the unvote on Arko when you did, as the post before you unvoted was not actually very reassuring to me.

i thought that arko saying “i feel like scum is winning in some capacity” was something scum!arko wouldn’t feel comfortable saying. i don’t think he’d be that cheeky even if his reads are pretty mild. the same thing happened before where right before his readslist he posted something that i thought was towny for the slot (on mobile but if you want i’ll grab it later)

the italiano reasoning is partially me waffling and partially a “secret” reason. if that wagon happens i wouldn’t be mad if it happened but if there are other options for now i kind of prefer them. it’s selfish play on my part

as for where to go i’m… kind of lost lol. a lot of the townreads i had feel like ones that haven’t been maintained. the koba/shirou fight is something i’ve been reading but i genuinely don’t know if it’s t/s or t/t(im the hedgelord today). i don’t think this is s/s it doesn’t have those vibes and feels a little too ego fueled lol.

i think this is going to end up the type of day where i wagon with the people i townread most more than i trust my own reads (alternatively i’ll talk more with my team for who they think i should kill but the things i’ve asked about have been fleeting and not as much big picture but thus far most of our townreads have lined up) so like i think that you’re town if you have a pressing reason to kill someone i’ll wagon with you unless/until i get the willies from other ppl joining

i think the other people i’d trust the most to wagon with are xof, aisa (a recent development) and kowah atm which feels like a random bunch to me but it is what it is

[Ydrasse]

shirou is getting koba’d

(if i had to make a choice here i think shirou is making “better” posts because they feel like are genuinely annoyed and genuinely scumread koba being koba in a towny way but i also think this is just how koba would act as either alignment.) (i’ll convene with my team on this after work)

[Ydrasse]

also this is how i imagined this player list going when i saw the rand lol

[Ydrasse]

you have to respect my impies

[Ydrasse]

feeling horrid
returning tomorrow

[Ydrasse]

feeling less horrid today and done with being the worst ghost hunter in the world hello

[Ydrasse]

epic pagetop

[Ydrasse]

Votecount 1.14

Ausuka (4):

ItalianoVD, Shirou, Aisa, DrippingGoofball

ItalianoVD (3):

Ausuka, DeasVail, DkKoba

DkKoba (2):

mastina, Kowahbunga

Shirou (1):

Malakittens

DeasVail (1):

xofelf

Not Voting (2): Arko, Ydrasse

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2023-04-26 08:34:25)

Mod Notes

VOTE: arko

good chance at flipping scum.

I'd be down for a Mastina & a KOBA wagon as well.

VOTE: arko

good chance at flipping scum.

I'd be down for a Mastina & a KOBA wagon as well.

I can actually get on board with this.

VOTE: Arko

Italiano FEELS very scum to me but I think I need some time to stew on that. Arko on the other hand feels classically like scum trying to keep up with the game but not really succeeding. The content posts, particularly 650 make it seem like Arko has pretended to be up to date with the game, but on more closely inspecting Arko's post, much more likely is that he's just looked at a few vote counts and random posts in isolation and developed ~content~ from there. He comments on me as a wagon, which I realised was because xofelf was voting me, but actually reading the game would reveal that xofelf... didn't actually think I was scum. Multiple times he references something along the lines of "needing more work from both sides of the wagon" which I'm not sure is much more than just empty words.
I think town in this position wouldn't... pretend to have real game-relevant thoughts to the degree that Arko has here.

Wait... Arko only has 14 posts? I knew it was low, but not like that. he also hasn't posted since Thursday. Feels a little something that in 341 he calls Kowahbunga out for being V/LA but posting elsewhere on site and in that same post promises to come back after doing stuff and we don't see him for 2 days. There's more apologies in this iso than content, which like, i know i can be guilty of sometimes but i find it harder to get away with doing that here in Team Mafia where I have teammates. Like if it's just me, I can justify posting less to the point of prodging most of the time, but my team needs me so here I am. Maybe Arko's team dynamics is different but it feels a type of way.
Gonna poke some at the updated list:

Xof- Felt towny but is just as here as I was 2 hours ago. AKA gone for 2 days and I was sleeping.

Before that post Arko hadn't been on site since post 341 and came back in post 504/623, with big content in 650. I had had 7 post between 341 and 504, a fair bit of few with content so saying I wasn't here at all is just provably incorrect.

Shirou is there I guess. Imma say town but could change easily.

By Shirou is there, is the implication that Shirou doesn't post??? cuz buddy, have i got some news for you. Shirou currently has the most posts with over 200 in this thread, 6 of which were on the page Arko was popping in on as he did his update read. Again, provably false.

The only real content before he gets into the wagons, is the "thoughts" shared from teammates, of which there is one about Koba and nothing else. The rest of the update is just blanket statement of change, but not what prompted the change. But also, there being *little* that changed feels funky.
But the wagon thoughts are just.. not at all looked into.
Mala's wagon has a comment about the amount of votes not really making it a wagon(which the most recent votecount before the post had only 1 vote on Mala), but *most* of the people who had votes only had 1, so why that comment here? And my vote on DV was from RVS which 5 seconds checking could have cleared up. The only strong opinion was about Italiano votes. Like yeah it looks like this post took them an hour from the initial "i'm here and reading" but I'm not really sure what that time was spent on because there's so much little here.

Last thing Arko said before dipping for 2 more days was a probably would iso Ausuka, but there was tons of time and he wasn't particularly worried. I dislike this more than I currently dislike Italiano(he's on a bit of an upswing here) so,
VOTE: Arko

But I also would really like some mastina and Aisa posts. I'm not sure what to think about mastina and would like more from her, and Aisa has had good thoughts presented in a way I like reading so I just want more of that.

It's the second time Aisa tries to wagon me but I'm still ok with her slot

so uh, I just passed out for half an hour. Well close to, 1:53 to 2:18.

But wanted to say, not confident in Aisa town.

Something's wrong with me rn, badly wrong, so can't finish rn, sorry.

Will do this tho

VOTE: Arko

Would prefer to be better read, not happy with the woagn, but...
...idk, can't excist right now.

i know that arko is a "low info" slot by virtue of his posts but it's kind of fascinating that the ausuka wagon pops up and then we have the arko one like, competing with it like this and then the italiano one is kind of there (and disintegrates a little bit because dv leaves the wagon)

[Ydrasse]

okay so like i'm going to cat out of the bag, i'm in the neighborhood with mastina and italiano and dgb. i think that everyone is in a neighborhood this game so like Whatever. sorry mastina please don't yell at me for sharing this but i feel atp the info is needed

in the neighborhood italiano said that he wanted to trust it to be all town so he could block together which understandable everyone wants a masonry

but then italiano made this list soon after:

Alright so I'm given my readslist. Obviously subject to change, but this is where my head is currently.

Aisa
Malakittens
Shirou
Ydrasse
DkKoba

Mastina
DeasVail

Kowahbunga

Xofelf

Arko

DrippingGoofball

Ausuka

green

- strong townlean

blue

- medium townlean

yellow

- weak townlean

white

- null

orange

- weak scumlean

pink

- medium scumlean

red

- strong scumlean

which is like. idk. i have had a lot of mixed feelings about this since then because like. i feel like if you have the sentiment of "hope this is town we can bloc together" you dont call another person in there useless if you wanna foster trust (but then he apologizes so maybe frustration)? i see like one moment in his iso where he's asking about mastina and dgb and he wants my response to these reads and my opinion and i assumed those were the ones he cared about but i don't feel like he's been... occupied with solving those two as much as he should if he wants it to be all town neighborhood?


he's on the defensive most of the game but it just feels like a big ? to me so idk. i do feel some consistence in that he wants it to be town that i think is towny when he posts 891 which also is like, he is still following up on stuff and not letting it go when he asks me questions. but also the explanation of the reads is kind of questionable to me even if i don't inherently disagree with some conclusions (shirou is probably the biggest point here because it's like YEAH not a wolf unless super skilled wolf but he doesn't show any curiosity towards his like, ability as a player which i feel is the natural progression of that thought). i dont have a strong conclusion but i feel like this is probably the time to share this

also i think mastina is town because of something she did in the neighborhood as well so i agree with him on that even if his read isn't as strong as mine i think. (it doesn't help mastina has honed in on me town a lot lol)

[Ydrasse]

i know that arko is a "low info" slot by virtue of his posts but it's kind of fascinating that the ausuka wagon pops up and then we have the arko one like, competing with it like this and then the italiano one is kind of there (and disintegrates a little bit because dv leaves the wagon)

Fascinating is a fascinating word to use here but I'm not sure what you're trying to say?

i've been trying to word this properly for a moment but fascinating is the best word that comes to mind because i feel like this is the first point in the game that there's an actual choice to make between wagons rather than just throwing a vote down on a 2-person one and then nothing happens

for you i'm going off of 864 because it has direct reference to your reads and the people voting you but from your pov as i understand it you seem fairly lukewarm on most of the people voting arko rn or no stance, including on arko himself. does like a wagon suddenly popping up to oppose yours (assuming youre town) help strengthen your read on any of these people?

for me i feel as if that wagon is the "stronger" one in that i've had or had (!) townreads on everyone on it thus far but i've also thought that arko was sounding a little towny at some point, but i'm still inclined to join it because of the people on it and my arko read being tonal more than anything (also i think it was DV who made a good point? about his reads looking like they're based on just vcs more than him thinking about the game). the only other thing is that i know that it is not the preferred one for some ppl because arko may not be with us much longer but >_>

[Ydrasse]

im being trolled

[Ydrasse]

.

[Ydrasse]

to be fair i dont think that he was calling them town so much as he said he WANTED them to be town but i don't think that he has put in i guess as much work as he could have to reach those conclusions? : ?

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: italianovd
yeah after last page i feel like italiano literally isn’t reading the thread and is just looking for stuff to talk about that makes him look solvey

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: italianovd
yeah after last page i feel like italiano literally isn’t reading the thread and is just looking for stuff to talk about that makes him look solvey

for new page

[Ydrasse]

what do you think of italiano literallt ignoring the posts i made about the arko wagon and his behavior in the neighborhood and thread and then copying the arko post content wise without acknowledging mine whatsoever

[Ydrasse]

my issue with it is that like

idk if italiano is town how do i resolve that
it was a few posts above him
it was a long set of posts for me with quotes for each vote
i talked about him and said his name and etc

and it was like very soon after he posted his stuff, if he got peditted or something whatever i could maybe buy that but he doesn’t follow up or try to engage when i spoke about the thing he wanted commentary on and i literallt said i’m being trolled and he replied and like idk to me if someone said that i’d read back and try to figure out why but

if he’s just being careless town i don’t know how i’m supposed to distinguish that from being a wolf trying to look busy and it makes me feel like he’s just saying stuff

i feel like i’m beating a dead horse but my god

[Ydrasse]

like there’s a difference btwn not acting how you expect town to normally and being the equivalent of that tuxedo mask gif

[Ydrasse]

thinking about when freedom joined a game instantly fumbled the wolfslot and left the game

[Ydrasse]

i get lead poisoning whenever i click on this thread (it is because i have a gun Because i am mafia shooting people)

wrt mastina my goodwill has burned out at this point, i'm waiting on her to speak and i get that she's been going through it irl but she needs to contribute something more, my townread can't really go farther than what she gave in the neighborhood


1280 feels like a crackpot theory that comes from town more often than not but it's immediately undercut by 1281 as a way to walk it back or not commit if it doesn't take off so erm. that's awkward and not in a funny way

freedom needs to post more or die as well, have to actually be able to read a slot to solve it
(im still greatly annoyed that italiano decided the best thing to do was "scum up his slot" because that like, just doesn't work and makes it harder after YOU'RE dead to find wolves imo)

[Ydrasse]

i'd like mala to explain where she's at gamewise as well bc looking through recent isoposts she hasn't given a lot of depth to her reads and i wanna understand

[Ydrasse]

i don't even know who i wanna group up with to talk about reads with atp other than my team which eventually
no one feels egregiously towny to me to trust them

i feel obligated to try and sort through the koba/shirou/ausuka trio because i feel like they're eating up a lot of this game's bandwidth but it's a tiresome task to even start so like, wave hand at the ausuka wagon. if you're town please defend yourself but i get why you wouldn't want to and if you die and you're town thank you for your service but i can't make heads or tails of that knot of posters. i guess this is like, me asking you three to explain what is... going on there or what you think in a more concise place because i dont have the brainpower lately to read through that many posts

ill do the vcs later for more guidance but this is about as much as i have in mind for this game atm

[Ydrasse]

mala was interfered with?

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: mastina

okay so let me lay this out: my townread on mastina was premature and ill-explained because it was not a real one from the start.
in the neighborhood she opened by it wanting to be a masonry, etc. she stated that she believed that her role made it a masonry as it was an investigative and she thought that it was meant to clear/check people in her hood. the basis of my townread in the neighborhood was that "oh, she REALLY does trust us if she's outing that!" because i wanted to let it slide for role-related reasons (as in, /my/ role.)

mastina "checked" malakittens. mastina

straight up claimed to be a rolecop in the neighborhood.

her claim came after mala posted her role in the main thread. i also know for a fact that mastina did something last night, so she has taken some form of night action. this information comes from my role, and i will not explain further unless it is necessary. i'm prone to believe that mastina is actually a roleblocker of some kind.

mala's action not going off while mastina is claiming to have visited her sure is uh. something. i somewhat feel as if the rolecop was tailored to mala posting her role in thread, as mastina previously claimed her role would

check players to check their alignment

in the neighborhood which, semantics i guess if she thinks roles are heavily tailored to alignment or something, but this feels more like an opportunity taken to work with given information. however, i feel with the roles given out thus far rolecop (my role + the two fruit folk) that a simple rolecop would be a deeply... inelegant take on the setup? i feel like this comes down to speculating on the setup some, but it feels oddly slotted in to have a role that just gives us that kind of information as town. (or at least, compared to my role? frankly i am unsure of the power balances, etc). i also feel like her trying to make the neighborhood a masonry from the start and the strong reads on me is a pocket. i've spoken to my team about this for a while now throughout the game and from the get-go and this is kind of the culmination of it.

i'm genuinely sorry if you're town and i've outted your role mastina but this feels like it's a wolf gambit. i also had the thought that perhaps she was coordinating with someone in mala's neighborhood to get information such as the roleclaim (which i do think is possible beyond mala just sharing her role in thread because mastina seems to be in and out of this game, attention wise for reasons she's stated).

so yeah. do with this information what you will but it feels like wolf shenanigans.

[Ydrasse]

she announced she was checking malakittens unless we had better ideas, i didn't say anything in response, she thought mala would be a more valuable target to investigate than koba (she brought up freedom as well but thought it'd be a waste to investigate him)

[Ydrasse]

dgb would be the only other person who would know her target, presumably

[Ydrasse]

mmm
VOTE: kowah

i want either kowah or freedom, right now i don't know if there's enough info to actually go after mastina despite the night actions being ?, if it were like anyone else i'd think that the loud part was a lie but i can believe mastina may not have noticed + mala corroborated it, also since we know the loud part blah blah, can deal with that later if more role blockery happens

kowah and freedom's posting today is like on the same level to me tbh but i want to push a wagon to be bigger

shirou is my top townread atm, dv and xof feel good too

i feel like this is the kind of game that gets solved through night actions more than dayplay or it's easier that way which is ~_~

[Ydrasse]

DGB trolling w/ F3 hammer was really funny btw

i was very angry about this and then peta @'d me with "sorry for the loss" and i was even madder but then town won so i was not mad

[Ydrasse]

GG fun game while i was alive but i was glad to die to not face the pages of wallposting

i agree that this setup was not really what i expected for a normal game in team mafia and i think that it should have been less complex, it felt like to me it was a celebration of complexity being added as something you could warn for/advertise/etc in normal queue but i was really 'meh' when it unfolded as it did, not because i think it's a "bad" setup but because i don't think it's in the spirit of what it should be for this event. i don't think i would have joined this having known what it would unfold into. despite my complaining thank you for designing it and running it, it is really appreciated.

however it did make me feel big brained when i guessed that it was non-multitasking and mastina was a wolf from her very first neighborhood posts. Neurons Activated