[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

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the point still stands that the goon is better placed to not take the traitor into lylo anyway.

Eeeeeh. You kind of have to assume people can lynch better than random to think mafia is a game at all, and that reduces the 66% number but increases the 50% number, I wouldn't be surprised if the actual numbers worked out pretty even.

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the traitor should just self-vote in lylo

my understanding of the rules is that a 1-1 endgame with a goon/townie would result in a tie, as neither team has achieved their win condition and can't improve upon the situation. so, the traitor doesn't really gain anything by self-voting in lylo. the point still stands that the goon is better placed to not take the traitor into lylo anyway.

Wait, if 1-1 is a tie, doesn't the mafia have to take the traitor with him or the best he can do is tie?

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11:2 is theoretically balanced in Mountainous Forum Mafia.

Based on what theory? town gets destroyed using random lynches in 11:2. You want like 15:2 to be remotely even.

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EV? (which Forum Mafia consistently does worse than)

The ev of 11:2 is like 23% chance town win. (I'm going off memory here, its definitely not 50%)

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just simulated it again quickly.

~23% was 10:2. 11:2 is more like 40%, but additions in 2 after that have really bad diminishing returns, takes 17:2 to make it even.

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I don't think anyone on MS will be able to intuit how balanced this setup is and that math needs to be run. Too many unusual elements. With that said, my intuition says this setup is massively scum sided.

3/16 is a little light in terms of pure numbers on the mafia team, but a doublekill is insanely powerful, the doctors collectively only add up to about a real doctors worth of power, and the tracker is highly gimped by both the fruit vendor and the fact that doctors will be trying to target people that die and failing to look different from mafia when successful 2/3rds of the time. The only way I see this being balanced is if the open nature of the setup makes 5 named townies have much more value than I anticipate.

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The fruit vendor is almost surely added town power.

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There's a 26.7% chance of a kill being blocked night 1.

Your math seems bad to me (so please go through it) but even assuming thats accurate that means that 3/4s of the time there are 2 kills. Do you understand how OP 2 kills are?

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I think it would functionally be higher than that. (kills aren't random so doc attempts wouldn't be either), still terrible for the town though.

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Mate, I've already reported you and now I see this.
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Hes already banned. Alt of an old banned user.

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I was wondering, would this game be aloud in normal?

Survivor/Rainbow Goo/Lightning rod/Bulletproof – 1
Mafia Goon – 1
Mafia Roleblocker – 2
Town Doctor – 1
Town Tracker – 1
Town Cop – 1
Town Vigilantie – 1
Vanilla Town – 1

If two players are Lightning rods, then they will target the player closes to them on the initial player list. If their is an even amount of space, then it will be randomly chosen.

This setup has 3 mafia and a survivor, it only has 9 players. What the fuck.

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My expectation for a 9 player setup would be 7 town and 2 mafia. 5 town, 3 mafia and a survivor is insane. What if they try and lynch the vig day 1? Town loses almost gauranteed.

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Ah, I'm sorry. I was thinking nexus I think. The lightning rod is on constantly? This setup is probably worse now not better because the rainbow goo element will actually happen.