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[countdown]0.00[/countdown][/countdown][/countdown]In post 15, talah wrote:You didn't give a reason and I'd usually associate that with a test but also I know sakura can tilt pretty easily when prompted.
So I'd prefer the reason on the sakura vote considering you gave none.
like this is a seriously bad, seriously scummy post.third best scummer of all time-
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In post 82, Scatterplot wrote:
mostly sheeping hiplop. I felt it was weird the way that talah acknowledges that wisdom is probably reaction testing sakura but then needs an explanation RIGHT NOW before sakura even has time to respond to wisdom's vote. If he thought the rvs naked vote was for reactions, which is a reasonable assumption, and he thought the purpose was to get reactions from sakura, then why was he getting in the way of that?In post 80, Wisdom wrote:Plot, talk to us about your talah scumread?
i have dinner on the stove.
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Hey I got more stuff here! btw <3
In post 83, Antihero wrote:i could also do talah
In post 89, Sakura Hana wrote:In post 84, Antihero wrote:page 4 guess: talah, sakura, mad king
meh, wrong, possibly wrong.
Sakura reaction to talaH is weird.In post 46, Sakura Hana wrote:Got a weak gut townread on Wisdom, not sure whether he'd have RVS voted me with that kind of reasoning as scum but i'll roll with it for now.
Mad King also gives me some town feels.
Maybe hiplol because of his weird logic for talah-scum.
P-Edit: talah, i have no fricken idea, will have to wait until later because i've only played one game with talah recently, and then all i remember from him is like from years ago
She uses some weird meta defense, despite admitting not knowing her well, and continuously just "mehs" and ignores it mostly. This reads to me as a super awkward early interaction.
In post 99, PhantomCobalt wrote:Is this the the type of play that won Antihero best town performance?
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Oh Might King, I think thoust are wrong. Surely Plot is the fairest! (I think that slow is hella town fwiw.) You're fighting them over semantics.
YEP! For two people who don't know eachother they sure are talking to eachother INCREDIBLY strangely.In post 148, Scatterplot wrote:So my problem with talah is that talah got in the way of sakura and wisdom. and my problem with you is that you're getting in the way of me and phantom by being impatient and demanding answers NOW NOW NOW when I will explain my reads when i'm ready. I'm not going to lynch anybody based on unexplained reads, I'm not going to derail a wagon with unexplained reads, but i'm not going to explain reads that are still in progress.In post 155, Wisdom wrote:I wouldn't place hiplop so high, but I more or less like your reads.
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In post 162, Expedience wrote:Basically all that I noticed about talah was the serious conversation starting thing trying to move out of RVS and I don't find it scummy or see why that wagon is moving so fast.
good catch anti.
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In post 172, Expedience wrote:No, Antihero, I am not implying some nebulous scum influence on talah's wagon. Nor am I implying that he is likely to be town due to this. I am simply stating that I don't support the wagon much and disagree with those who do.
for what reasons? you seem to be disagreeing just because and that makes me very suspicious of you?
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In post 187, Wisdom wrote:No need for a hammer before talah gets the chance to post.
In post 186, PhantomCobalt wrote:Where's the Talah hammer at tho.
^ this. unfortunately I think phantom is town ~_~third best scummer of all time-
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In post 235, Antihero wrote:In post 233, PhantomCobalt wrote:Scatter why say Expedience's meta read is valid? You're stating the obvious.
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might be scum
plot or ether remind me why you're townreading this again, plz.
Its a playstyle thing I fear
Sakura is so so so scummy holy shit
Phantom wagon is a steaming pile of dicks. Dude is VI not scum.
In post 329, Mad King Ashnard wrote:Talah might actually be scum.
Expedience is an awful wagon and you should feel ashamed.
Are scum really this brazen about chainsaw defending Scatterplot?
finally being reasonable. Talah fucked up and is obvious scum. I'll give you some credence on plot in the future but like really, talah is scum dont tunnel.
Spiffy is town, but he's wrong on sakura I think.In post 354, talah wrote:Well you're wrong on the second. I'm not really sure about Sakura yet.
The "meh" on me seems okayish at this stage but I do tend to try to get a read on her fairly quickly (at least historically) so that could be stalling so she can go either way depending on where I end up.
Also what's with your assertion that Sakura an I don't know each other? Is that the basis of your scumread on me?
We've played a bunch of games together, but only one semi-recently before this.
So you, sir, appear to be trying to reinforce a bad read with bad assumptions.
Bad strawman is bad. It is NOT contigent on you not knowing eachother. Your interactions are awful and she overreacted like sakura does trying to deflect your wagon. That is seriously different than the misrep here. Seriously.
I think sakura is trying not to atep on any toes, spiff. How do you think she isnt?
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I also have a hard time reading spiff and gunned for his lynch incorrectly in like two games. Lazy spiff is different than active spiff, though. This is active, probably town spiffeh IMO
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In post 503, Trebuchet MS wrote:hiplop why is it that with every new scum read you say the same thing? (The whole "X is sooooo scummy omg")
It's starting to seem forced
~Spiffy
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In post 488, Ankamius wrote:VOTE: PhantomCobalt
Just saw his posts on this page. There's no way this slot is town.
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In post 494, Sakura Hana wrote:Without going into detail about it and focusing solely on Talah instead is also trying to deal low blows.
Excuse me? That is NOT an insult. Scum = Mafia. I think you're lovely, you just happen to be unaligned.
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In post 530, Ankamius wrote:Then pay more attention, because that wasn't the first time I have called PhantomCobalt scum, or even given reads on people that aren't him.
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talah wrote:(I left the last bit there as an example of the other drivel you're injecting into the thread.)
Aside from that all you'd said was "why so aggressive" and then directly quoted my Post 15 and said it was scummy. No reasoning.
So rather than explain why your associative tells are rock-solid, you're actually saying that I'm talking crap when I address the only reasoning you've provided.
Like holy fuck darn I'm having fun while playing a game? These people are my friends like this is hella pretentious and like honestly my contribution to this game has been pretty good. Shame its about you being scum but like holy fuck everyone can be wrong(I don't think I am but still no need to be a jerk)
IT WAS SCUMMY BECAUSE YOU WERE NERVOUW AND TWITCHY FROM LIKE NO PRESSURE. YOURE ON EDGE, YOURE STRAWMANNING ME AS A PLAYER. YOU ARE NOT A NEWB BUT ARE FALLING OVER CLASSIC NEWB SCUMTELLS.
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In post 464, talah wrote:In post 451, hiplop wrote:In post 354, talah wrote:Well you're wrong on the second. I'm not really sure about Sakura yet.
The "meh" on me seems okayish at this stage but I do tend to try to get a read on her fairly quickly (at least historically) so that could be stalling so she can go either way depending on where I end up.
Also what's with your assertion that Sakura an I don't know each other? Is that the basis of your scumread on me?
We've played a bunch of games together, but only one semi-recently before this.
So you, sir, appear to be trying to reinforce a bad read with bad assumptions.
Bad strawman is bad. It is NOT contigent on you not knowing eachother. Your interactions are awful and she overreacted like sakura does trying to deflect your wagon. That is seriously different than the misrep here. Seriously.
Bad strawman is bad? You're going to need to explain that little doozy to me, since the only real indication of *why* you find me scummy is directly with regard to my association with Sakura.
In post 163, hiplop wrote:In post 148, Scatterplot wrote:So my problem with talah is that talah got in the way of sakura and wisdom. and my problem with you is that you're getting in the way of me and phantom by being impatient and demanding answers NOW NOW NOW when I will explain my reads when i'm ready. I'm not going to lynch anybody based on unexplained reads, I'm not going to derail a wagon with unexplained reads, but i'm not going to explain reads that are still in progress.YEP! For two people who don't know eachother they sure are talking to eachother INCREDIBLY strangely.In post 155, Wisdom wrote:I wouldn't place hiplop so high, but I more or less like your reads.
i FLY HIGH LIKE PAPER GET HIGH LIKE PLANES
(I left the last bit there as an example of the other drivel you're injecting into the thread.)
Aside from that all you'd said was "why so aggressive" and then directly quoted my Post 15 and said it was scummy. No reasoning.
So rather than explain why your associative tells are rock-solid, you're actually saying thatI'mtalking crap when I address the only reasoning you've provided.
Here's your case:
talah's aggressive
Post 15 is scummy
Sakura and talah's interactions are awkward
They're even MOAR awkward because they don't know each other
Then when I point out that we do in fact know each other...
You're strawmanning, I didn't say my case was about you knowing or not knowing each other!!!1
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You and Ranger both appear to be doing this thing where you cheerlead the talah-scum case, and anyone indicating that I might be scum, but fail to address me or attempt to get a read on me, directly.
You also both fail to do anything else to reinforce your own "cases".
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In post 455, Ranger wrote:
If by that, you mean 13/17, then yes. Nothing I've seen from talah has changed my opinion of how bad that was.{talah} - for butting in between wisdom and sakura, then sheeping wisdom (like everyone else said)?
This doesn't say anything about why those two posts are bad, just obliquely refers to them and moves on.
(Interestingly it leaves out post 15 which you yourself took umbrage with.)
However, seven out of eight of Rangers last posts refer to me being scum, and the only development of reasoning is (see below) which is also pretty terrible.
So you two are actually in my scumpile just because of how bad your arguments are.
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In post 463, Ranger wrote:You? Impact. Me? Impact. Antihero? Impact. Wisdom? Impact. Scatterplot? Impact. Trebuchet? Impact. Mad King Ashnard? Impact. Heck, even PhantomCobalt has had an impact, albeit a negative one. And while Sakura Hana is contestable, to me Sakura has had impact.
Ankamius, KTthecreeper, and talah all have not.
When did "impact" become a thing that only Town are capable of - therefore blanket town-reads are handed out on that basis?
This extremely poor reasoning. Also your latest readslist moving everyone else "up" only appears to serve to work around Mad King's issue with them being in a tier *below* Scatterplot.
What you've in fact done is picked out two others as "scum" and moved them down and then adjusted your townlist to be more palatable for RC - who incidentally I'm now leaning town based on this appeasement.
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Open to lynching Scatterplot
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Talah donyou normally scum read replacements? Irrelevant to you being scum that'd a terrible stance I think. In this game it furthers me read on you. Oppurtimistic as hell
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In post 592, talah wrote:I literally don't care about "classic" scumtells. I think they're pointless and especially when buzzwords get thrown around I tend to question the validity of the underlying read.
Incidentally if I *had* rolled scum I *would* be newbscum because I've played almost no scum games.
But if you're just taking an independent tell and applying it to me knowing almost nothing about my play then I think that's really wrong and/or scummy. There was *certainly* scum on my wagon. And I don't think I should need to condone my own flip to prove that's where I'm coming from.
Oh. My. God.
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In post 610, Sakura Hana wrote:Really.
If he's scum that invented (or used) an ear infection as a ways to avoid suspicion for his replacement, that's one the lowest of low things akin to strategic use of V/LA.
The fact that any of you is even treating it as such is upsetting.
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In post 644, Mad King Ashnard wrote:No one has anything to say about me retracting my scumread on Plot?
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YOU ARE SCUM. THAT IS 99.99999999999999% OF MY READ ON YOU
STOP TRYING TO FUCKING SPIN IT INTO A POLICY LYNCH. IT IS NOT. YOU'RE SCUM AND ARE TRYING TO STRAWMAN EVERYONES CASE BY PULLING THIS SHIT. SERIOUSLY. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOU AS A PERSON/FISH, YOU'RE JUST SCUMthird best scummer of all time-
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In post 679, talah wrote:In post 667, hiplop wrote:Which makes you all the more likely to trip over the things I caught you on.
We've never played a game together I don't even understand what you're talking about
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In post 706, Firebringer wrote:I don't plan to read will anyone catch me up?
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