Blitz 21 - Hope plus One ―kibou― [End]

[Mad King Ashnard]

I agree with the Talah maybe trying too hard thing but

VOTE: Scatter

[Mad King Ashnard]

Well that gives me pause.

Why are you attempting to form a counterwagon to Talah, you peasant?

VOTE: PhantomCobalt

[Mad King Ashnard]

VOTE: Plot

How did you garner a townread on that man?

[Mad King Ashnard]

I am the King of Daein you worthless peasant. You dare address me?

I could swat you like a fly.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Silence, peasant.

Answer me, fool. How did you garner a townread on that slot, Plotinus/Ether?

[Mad King Ashnard]

but yes this is RC.

I don't understand how Plot got a townread on that slot and I remember Plot inventing a Klingon townread in 1750 so I'm interested in finding out more about that.

[Mad King Ashnard]

OK, then Ether needs to explain it.

Plot's explanation makes little sense though.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Anti if you're going to STILL be paranoid about me as usual after you've tried to mislynch me in 2 games and succeeded once just tell the cop to investigate me n1.

Otherwise silence thee, heathen.

What I have is a townlean and what you're asking for is a fully fledged towncase with a bibliography.

You spoke of it like you had a fully fledged academic towncase with bibliography, fully cited with sources and abstract.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Find a time where I've ever tried to set someone up in that manner as scum.

I'll wait.

Or explain why I'd see that as tactically advantageous.

[Mad King Ashnard]

ok this might've been a mistake, i might have to bail

Your cowardice will not be tolerated. Either you have the strength to accept the consequences of your actions, or you are a weakling and must be culled. I wager you are the latter.
VOTE: Antihero

Oops

[Mad King Ashnard]

Raskol you gotta post from this account.

By the way, please keep our vote on Plotinus. I can explain why over skype.

[Mad King Ashnard]

VOTE: Plotinus

[Mad King Ashnard]

Yeah, sure.

But vote them.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Find a time where I've ever tried to set someone up in that manner as scum.

I'll wait.

Or explain why I'd see that as tactically advantageous.

I've done it as scum and won using that tactic so I don't see why another person wouldn't. In n1615 I was really really obsessed with everybody else's reads on my buddy and about his wagon and the speed of it and what did it mean when it was slow and what did it mean when his wagon was fast and I spent like 53 pages tunnelling him because i didn't know how to wagon drive yet. And then finally I got him lynched and then I lynched the people who townread him based on associatives and then I won.

And I know that you rely heavily on associatives as town, as do I (though I usually try not to give into the siren song of preflip associatives this early into day 1), and I don't see why you wouldn't incorporate that into your scumgame if possible.

I think my ability to read you isn't going to be improved by reading through your past games because you're spammy and because you're competent enough that it's going to be more subtle markers that I need to look for and I'm going to need to rely on experiential meta. And I don't see why I should bother when I can tell you and Rask apart and I'm confident I'll be able to read ask.

pedit: Anti, Ill miss you if you go but I'll understand if you need to.

Phantom, KT, Rask don't be a dicks to Anti because I have been looking forward to playing with him.

--P

So let me get this straight.

I've done it as scum and won using that tactic so I don't see why another person wouldn't. In n1615 I was really really obsessed with everybody else's reads on my buddy and about his wagon and the speed of it and what did it mean when it was slow and what did it mean when his wagon was fast and I spent like 53 pages tunnelling him because i didn't know how to wagon drive yet. And then finally I got him lynched and then I lynched the people who townread him based on associatives and then I won.

Okay, I'm glad that you've done things as scum. I've done lots of things as scum.

I do not push mislynches for mislynches sake. That's something that's consistent in my scum meta and it isn't something I'd switch to switch up my meta because it's optimal play pure and simple.

Further, I called you out for a bizarre read transition. You gave an inadequate answer and tried to turn it back on me. Particularly considering you already implied that you wanted to try to mislynch me in a future game after 1750 that gives me very bad feelings about your slot.

And I know that you rely heavily on associatives as town, as do I (though I usually try not to give into the siren song of preflip associatives this early into day 1), and I don't see why you wouldn't incorporate that into your scumgame if possible.

You don't see why?

Would I or wouldn't I, Plot? Am I doing it now?

Why did you vote the lead wagon when I tried to pressure you?

I think my ability to read you isn't going to be improved by reading through your past games because you're spammy and because you're competent enough that it's going to be more subtle markers that I need to look for and I'm going to need to rely on experiential meta. And I don't see why I should bother when I can tell you and Rask apart and I'm confident I'll be able to read ask.

Aka, you want to take advantage of the fact that Raskol is easily mislynched to try to push a lynch on me without having to try to explain why I'm scummy.

Yeah, that's absolutely not going to fly here Plot.

More votes here.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Wow I apparently do not remember how to do RVS at all.

PhantomCobalt is town, though, so there's that! I'm not really interested in the talah wagon. (Plotinus finds him vaguely scummy, I think.)

-Ether

This is an absolutely horrible post and remains so.

PC is town because he's jokey, what? Since when are all scum supernatural super serious?

Why did Plot back up that PC read as if he was the one who made it?

[Mad King Ashnard]

Why do I care so much that you had a weird position based on hugely insufficient evidence and were completely unable to back it up?

idk, sorry I forgot we were supposed to scumhunt in this game.

Substantiate or suffocate beneath Daein's might, heathen.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Nope. I have experience with Rask and I can read him. It is 100% not true that he is an easy mislynch. He was stupidlynched in his first newbie game because his IC didn't realise she had to explain what L-1 means to the newbies. I don't think he has any other completed games that I can talk about.

Why are you so frightened that I want to read you by your other head?

I'm not frightened at all. I'm vague amused by the fact that you came into this game trying to mudsling my slot considering that we left our last game where you were scum with you trying to assert that you would be able to mislynch me as scum. And then you did exactly what you did in my previous experience with you as scum and then started mudslinging my slot. You want to pick this fight, we'll pick this fight. Have at me, Plotty.

I'm not buying what you're selling, sirs and madames.

What are you asking?

I'm asking you to put the belgian waffle mix away and commit to something.

I voted Sakura because I wanted her to change her avatar. She refused, so I voted Talah who I have a scumlean on instead. It had nothing to do with you.

Why do you have a scumlean on Talah, and how do I know if the latter part is true?

I never said this. I don't bring past influences into games like that. All I felt when you vengekilled me was relief that I wouldn't have to read all of those pages after all.

If you're denying this I will literally deathtunnel you the rest of the game.
You said that you would have easily been able to mislynch me as scum, don't deny it. It's public knowledge that anyone can go into the 1750 thread and read.
I don't think my thought process here is at all out of whack. If you want to change my mind, go substantiate on one of your reads.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Is KT really your first priority to sort here, Ankamius?

[Mad King Ashnard]

RC paranoia is a thing, but it doesn't mean people are willing or able to lynch me in day phase, particularly not after I led a lynch on an uber strong scum PR.

I am usually good at strongarming lynches and sounding genuine and convincing and shit.

It's true though that thread temperature would have changed in response to that and it might have taken me a few day phases.

just one of a few things that Plot said on the topic.

Also.

No, but he's the easiest to sort right now.

He'll be the easiest to sort later as well.

Vote Scatterplot.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Nah. I'll sort that slot when I get around to it. I'm not at that point yet.

Why are you not at that point?

What specific rationale do you have to refuse to sort an actually potentially dangerous slot over someone who will likely eat a lynch as town and guaranteed will as scum?

Or I don't want to produce the evidence yet because my read on him is still a work in progress and if I provide the citations right now it's going to make it harder for me to realise if i'm wrong about him. Like clearly i'm trying to figure something out and before the cake's baked you're like hey why is the cake all soggy in the middle.

Wait so you can't share your reads now because they might be wrong later?

Durr better never sort someone this entire game then. Postie might be scum, yo.

oh, that. I could have mislynched you in that game when 8/12 people were suspicious of you, yes. Like if you look at the 12 living players ISOs and skim the tail end of them for what their reads are, their last opinion of of your hydra was that you were scummy, so yes, I did think that, with effort, I could have mislynched you in that game.

Well you're clearly trying in this one as well so let's do this.

Fight me.

about what though? I lost the thread. I have a townlean on Phantom and a scumlean on Talah and I don't know how to read you so I want to hear more from Rask and either I'll realise that he's town or I won't.

These are well substantiated positions that I can respect and see as a beacon of shining towniness.

Are you reading the thread? I literally just answered that when Wisdom asked me, in 82. Then in 85, I said that I was willing to vote Talah but I was tempted to votepark sakura until she changed her avatar. She said she wasn't going to and I don't have a read on sakura yet so I switched to Talah.

WHY.
WHY.
WHY.
WHY.
WHY.
WHY.
WHY.

I didn't remember it until you elaborated. I didn't say easily. I meant in that game. I'm not going to bring it into a different game. Like you think that I'm somehow mad at you for putting me out of my misery in Miller's Hollow and that now i'm trying to mislynch you. How do you differentiate what i'm doing from scumhunting?

PEDIT AND IN THAT QUOTE THAT YOU ARE QUOTING I WAS CLEARLY TALKING ABOUT IN THAT GAME BASED ON THE THREAD TEMPERATURE IN THAT GAME.

why would the thread temperature of that game carry over to this one?

I never said that it's a thread temperature thing at all.

Please continue to insert words into my mouth about my stances on things.

Also, there WERE a few people spouting scumreads on me when you started; namely Antihero and PC (although I'm not sure PC legit scumread me or was just voting)

[Mad King Ashnard]

And yes, I understand the Sakura vote, that was well explained albeit absolutely horrible.

I'm asking you to explain your reads, you're going NO I DONT EXPLAIN MY READS and I'm calling you scum for it.

Particularly given that I don't at all like you trying to spin my pushing for you to substantiate as "trying to set you up."

This isn't difficult to understand.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Don't spin this as being over last game.

In this game, he

1) made weird unsubstantiated reads
2) jumped to largest wagon under pressure
3) tried to spin me trying to sort his slot as me setting him up.

not in last game.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I'm not tunneling anyone.

They have given no explanations for their weird behaviour and until such time as they do I want them pressured.

[Mad King Ashnard]

No, this isn't anything to do with previous game.

I am calling him out because of inconsistencies in

this

game and will continue to vote him until such time as they are cleaned up.

[Mad King Ashnard]

{hiplop, Antihero}
{Scatterplot, Wisdom}
{Trebuchet MS}
{Mad King Ashnard, PhantomCobalt}
{Ankamius}
{Sakura Hana}
{KTthecreeper}
{talah}

explain this.

and Plot you know exactly why we're arguing.

[Mad King Ashnard]

in fact no.

VOTE: Ranger

[Mad King Ashnard]

If her reads list puts Plot in the top town bracket and puts me below the median it's either fabricated or comes from a complete fool.

Ranger is not known to be a complete fool, so fabricated.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Quit throwing out unexplained townreads.

[Mad King Ashnard]

It's not, and since we don't know it's pretty inappropriate for you to shut off my ability to force him to discuss with me.

[Mad King Ashnard]

That 'oh shit Plotty's under pressure let's rush the talah wagon down and kill RC tonight' that's going on is disturbing.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Heh heh heh.

I remember that phrase well.

So, you taught yourself how to try to discredit me, eh? How very happy that makes me.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I have no reason to discredit you. You are town, Plot is town, so stop helping scum by tunneling on town. That's all.

You? Prevent me from tunneling? Heh! Good.

If you possess the strength to do so, then so be it.

That process is the principle upon which my ideal world operates.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Well that gives me pause.

Why are you attempting to form a counterwagon to Talah, you peasant?

VOTE: PhantomCobalt

Ew

complains about a counterwagon to talah while simultaneously contributing to one!

~Spiffy

Agree or disagree that I'd get far more useful reactions from Phantom in that situation than just jumping on the Talah wagon?

[Mad King Ashnard]

Did I ever strike you as particularly interested in the Talah wagon this game?

[Mad King Ashnard]

Why aren't you townreading me you complete weapon?

[Mad King Ashnard]

Anti just admit that you are utterly incapable of reading me and move on from your life.

Don't try to mislynch me again.

[Mad King Ashnard]

No guilty to be had, I'm town.

Help me lynch Plot please.

VOTE: Scatterplot

[Mad King Ashnard]

No guilty to be had, I'm town.

Help me lynch Plot please.

VOTE: Scatterplot

zzz

You stop it.

You help me with my refundings.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Everyone need to stop misrepping my Plotinus push.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I think Ashnard getting paranoid that Plotinus can read Raskol means that we'll try to lynch them is completely ridiculous and just trying to poison the well.

This is exactly what it comes down to.

The crux of this is that there was a ridiculously early comment by the Plot hydra to the effect that 'well we're going to ignore RC and sort Raskol.'

And they're claiming to be able to sort Raskol, and on top of that are ALREADY CLAIMING TO BE SCUMREADING ME 8 fucking pages into one of the towniest games I've ever played.

Since we've already established and I've proven through prior thread context, Plot thinks that they are able to mislynch me.

On top of this, Plot at the very least would be more than concerned about leaving me alive as town and would seek a way to get rid of me after I made his scum team lose night in our last game.

It is no fucking coincidence that all this happened this early in the game.

It is no coincidence that there are a few people mudslinging my slot in ways that don't really make sense.

Plot is scum. We are not unvoting for the rest of the game, short of a cop inno.

If they decide to townread Raskol it's simply because they know the fallout from trying to lynch me is more than they can handle; nothing more.

Scum planned to try to mislynch me based on RC paranoia and trying to take advantage of Raskol being easily misread; I promise you.

I will continue telling you you're tunneling everytime you mention it.

That's exactly what the fuck everyone told me when I was nailing Shos into the ground last game or in any other manner of games where I've been right about a scumread that everyone else was townreading at the time.

They are scum.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Like I will lynch anyone who claims cop tomorrow who doesn't claim to have a report on that slot, and if no cop claims with a report on that slot we're lynching them automatically.

[Mad King Ashnard]

And I don't fucking like Wisdom either and I think it's nasty that they keep trying to pin this as a TvT.

This isn't TvT at all.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Do you want me to make a list of the different times they've tried to mudsling my slot?

Here, have one.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I'm kind of tired of figuring out what my reasons for everything are and being introspective. Maybe later.

Not the point again but this is another time they're refusing to explain reads.

I am not actually convinced that us/Ashnard is TvT. I think Ashnard getting paranoid that Plotinus can read Raskol means that we'll try to lynch them is completely ridiculous and just trying to poison the well.

What the fuck does this mean? I think that they're scum, I'm not paranoid about anyone trying to lynch me. you can't. This response doesn't even answer to the heart of the issue at all and is just a mudsling.

I know that you said you were only scumreading the Titus head in that game. If you're town and you're worried about that happening again, then you should know that Ether hasn't had a scumgame since 2009 and so she'll probably be pretty easy to read!

No, I only shot you over Talah because of Titus.

You were pretty effing far from a townread and I'm seeing the exact same shit in this game.

we're arguing because you're too impatient to let me do my own thing and want to get in my way. You also know very little about how I scumhunt or how I think, and you think that things you dont understand are scummy. You have played with me twice: my very worst town game that maybe i was dead in by the time you replaced in anyway but it was back in June so i don't really remember, and a scum game that I was barely present for, and you even know why I was barely present for that one but you make it out to be scummy that I don't remember large swathes of it.

I understand your motivations a lot better than I think you realize.

I could have mislynched you in that game when 8/12 people were suspicious of you, yes. Like if you look at the 12 living players ISOs and skim the tail end of them for what their reads are, their last opinion of of your hydra was that you were scummy, so yes, I did think that, with effort, I could have mislynched you in that game.

8 of the living players who were about to realize that I had just spent the entire day tunneling on a scum PR that would essentially be +1 scum. yeah.

Why the fuck do you care so much about the fact that Ether and I came to independent mild townleans on a slot that you either don't know how to read or don't want to pretend to put in the effort of trying to read?

This is implying that me asking for an explanation is scummy, fyi.

Why are you so frightened that I want to read you by your other head?

Why did I literally talk to Raskol about exactly this happening and how we're going to deal with it?

Rask don't be a dicks to Anti because I have been looking forward to playing with him.

We're playing with quotes from the character, and it was extremely obvious and Anti would have known that.

And I don't see why I should bother when I can tell you and Rask apart and I'm confident I'll be able to read ask.

Aka free license to claim a scumread on Rask later if it becomes opportune without having to worry about it being consistent.

And I know that you rely heavily on associatives as town, as do I (though I usually try not to give into the siren song of preflip associatives this early into day 1), and I don't see why you wouldn't incorporate that into your scumgame if possible.

Look at me going into associatives in my scumgame by ASKING WHY YOU HAVE A TOWNREAD ON SOMEONE.

Why do you care that I'm townreading the low hanging fruit and why is it relevant that my hydra partner (a different one, not Ether), townread a town player she knew well and had played dozens of games with in a different game?

1) I systematically don't push low hanging fruit.
If they get lynched later in the game that's their concern. This is true of both my town and my scum play.
I asked WHY.

Now i don't know if we want to vote talah or ashnard. I think i'll be able to read the other head of Ashnard more easily though so I think I'll wait for him to start posting and:

Aka for asking for an explanation of a read we became a top 2 scumread.


So yeah, pretty shitty mudslinging from that slot that again, doesn't make sense at all considering what we did was ask for information.

RC, this is TvT TvT TvT. The only thing you are achieving is scum latching on to your stubbornness in order to push town.

Like this:

I'm not scumreading either of the two people who jumped on.

I am scumreading Scatterplot.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Mod, do I have permission to quote a block of text from skype?

[Mad King Ashnard]

Oh and FYI here's a quote from 1750.

the Elsa head would be easy enough to read because she's a fairly new player

So literally the exact same logic is being used, except they didn't end up being able to push on us because we were obvtown until we ate into most of our towncred trying to figure out why Shos wasn't getting lynched.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I really dislike the fact that you're chainsaw voting one of the few people I could get on the Plot wagon.

First game that I've rolled town with you in the game. Maybe you rolled scum to make it even?

[Mad King Ashnard]

Hey look Scatterplot's getting votes.

Time to create a counterwagon on Phantom... the person that was given a townread for absolutely no reason by the aforementioned wagon?

Yeah...

[Mad King Ashnard]

Talah might actually be scum.

Expedience is an awful wagon and you should feel ashamed.

Are scum really this brazen about chainsaw defending Scatterplot?

[Mad King Ashnard]

If you're town and you get immediately lynched after Scatter then it's really your own damn fault tbh.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Ank and Sakura are town too yay

Everyone keep obvtowning this is easy

~Spiffy

Nice reasons you got there.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Don't you eww what the fuck me.

Why are Ank and Sakura obvtown?

[Mad King Ashnard]

Get your hydra partner to explain the townreads he's throwing out completely unsubstantiated.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Hello friends. The pace of this game is a little overwhelming for me but I will try to be involved.

Aside for scatterplot who I trust my partners judgement on I am finding

wisdom

to be a scummy character. I feel his attempt to label us vs scatterplot as TvT so readily is trying to stifle discussion and dismiss legitimate reasons as tunneling. He asks plenty of questions but takes few actual stances aside from handing out townreads like candy. He votes Phantom for as the third vote in his wagon with no reason given and hasn't said anything about him. I know Phantom from one of my games is a troll player and easily mislynched/policied so I really don't like running him up for no reason. Going for the easy wagon without reason or commitment, along with trying to silence actual discussions and exchanges is anti town play as far as I am concerned.

The talah wagon is garbage based entirely on her voting sakura, presumably based on wisdom saying "produces reactions when poked". Surely you can find something better this many posts in. Personally I like her latest catchup post.

---

[Mad King Ashnard]

That's 4 votes.

More until they start answering for their unexplained reads and for their deliberate refusal to claim a position on me.

[Mad King Ashnard]

The more I think about it, the more I think that town is in a much more dangerous position than we think.

Why would you say this ominously and not like

Go into detail or explain why

PEdit: Is that the only reason for this statement?

~Spiffy

Talah is town.
Expedience is town.
KTthecreeper is town.
RC is a player that tends to tunnel whatever he's focusing on to the exclusion of basically everyone else. It's safe to have him just tunnel Scatterplot to death and not mess with him since it will distract two of the strongest player slots.
Antihero gets treated exactly as he usually does when he's town and I'm easy to remove from the game solely by forcing me into apathy.

That's everyone I either have seen town posts from or (in Scatterplot's case) are more likely town via putting the pieces together.

I'm getting a very bad feeling that scum are taking control of the game and the kickback on me after I started going after Sakura only makes that feeling worse.

Why are you assuming that I'm town?

You've literally never seen me as town, and in plenty of my scum games I've deathtunneled people like this (1655, 184).

Why do you think I'm town, Ank?

[Mad King Ashnard]

I forgot about 1721 because I'm still bitter about everyone ignoring the fact that I caught scum early D2.

Two lynches and can't be bothered to touch someone I'm positive is scum.

Sigh.

[Mad King Ashnard]

K if you guys keep trying to push Scatterplot counterwagons I'm going to take it as a scumclaim so don't cry if you get lynched later if you're hard defending scum.

cut that shit out.

[Mad King Ashnard]

K that's absolutely enough out of you. we'll lynch you tomorrow.

If you're town, you deserve it for literally being a fucking mafia traitor right now.

[Mad King Ashnard]

RC what are your reads outside of Scatterplot?

Who are voting them? Probably town.

Who are pushing counterwagons? (Ank,Wisd,etc)? Probably scum or just craven curs.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Jesus christ we're letting scum push a weaker player to the point that they replace out.

What the eff is going on with town here? What are these awful wagons?

[Mad King Ashnard]

VOTE: Trebuchet MS

This is absolutely scum.

[Mad King Ashnard]

VOTE: Talah

tbh I was pretty convinced that Talah was scum on the first page so I just wanted to force a counterwagon and see who would jump on.

Scatter's not really competing with Talah at this point so I've lost interest in the whole thing so let's just get back to this.

I'll look at the Scatter votes later.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I'm not a huge fan of the KT wagon and I don't want to force two wagons that could potentially be town to counter each other.

Why did the Talah wagon break apart, exactly?

[Mad King Ashnard]

I'm concerned about the fact that Scatter only took wing right around when KT started getting pressured though.

It's interesting and makes me wonder about the KT wagon, but again I think KT is the kind of player who would be scummy as fuck as either alignment.

Let's wait for the replacement to figure that out.

[Mad King Ashnard]

No one has anything to say about me retracting my scumread on Plot?

[Mad King Ashnard]

I don't want to do any preflip associatives until we've lynched Talah.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Hey Sakura, can you please walk me through your vote changes?

I don't really follow any of your vote changes this game.

:S

pedit:

You dare challenge the Mad King?

[Mad King Ashnard]

ok.

Thanks Sakura!

[Mad King Ashnard]

That argument really doesn't make sense.

You're arguing that because in a previous game I scumread you when you were town (aka read you wrong) that I should be able to read you better than to be able to scumread you when you are (you claim) town.

This doesn't grok.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I think Sakura is scum right now.

I'm still deciding where I stand on Talah post-replace; I think he's still scum but that was a weird replace out.

This doesn't at all feel like his town game though.

I want to lynch Wisdom for calling everyone town with 0 substantiation. Am I alone on this?

[Mad King Ashnard]

alright expedience

you've got the conn

Indeed I do.

Talah is flailing under pressure. All of his reads are OMGUS trash and most of his defense has consisted of firing back questions and casting doubt at his accusers. On the other hand, the replacing out makes me think most of the frustration was probably genuine. I don't have problems with 15.

Ktthecreeper's posts on page 22 and 23 looked super fake, like he was trying to appear town but had no idea what he was doing (e.g. 546). I don't think he replaced out strategically. 560 and 569 are scummy.

He could be just a VI though so let's hear from Firebringer. Appeal to emotion for me.

VOTE: Firebringer

That's L-1.

alright expedience

you've got the conn

Indeed I do.

Talah is flailing under pressure. All of his reads are OMGUS trash and most of his defense has consisted of firing back questions and casting doubt at his accusers. On the other hand, the replacing out makes me think most of the frustration was probably genuine. I don't have problems with 15.

Ktthecreeper's posts on page 22 and 23 looked super fake, like he was trying to appear town but had no idea what he was doing (e.g. 546). I don't think he replaced out strategically. 560 and 569 are scummy.

He could be just a VI though so let's hear from Firebringer. Appeal to emotion for me.

VOTE: Firebringer

That's L-1.

LITERALLY THE WORST POST IN THIS ENTIRE GAME, CONGRATULATIONS.

VOTE: Expedience

[Mad King Ashnard]

Nope, not happening.

You think Expedience is scum, you vote him with me now.

[Mad King Ashnard]

we are not an easy target to mislynch

Pfft I could have if I wanted to.

not liking rc with every passing exaggerated attack on kt's critics

Can you just stop sharing your read on me because you can't read me and you should know that by now.

No, I will lynch FB, then Ank, then I'll see if I still think the third is Expedience.

If this is your attitude and Expedience flips scum I will personally ensure you get lynched tomorrow.

[Mad King Ashnard]

He's been exaggerating about everything since the beginning

This should not be news to anyone. Least of all Anti who has played several games with me.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Oh look scum are getting scared and it's not even day two yet.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Hey, Sakura.

Help us vote up Expedience please!

[Mad King Ashnard]

I'll get right on that for you.

[Mad King Ashnard]

So...{Ankamius, Firebringer} with one of {Sakura Hana, Expedience, Mad King Ashnard}.
Right now I'd guess Expedience.

Sakura Hana could be scum being random, but I'm not sure.
Mad King Ashnard could be scum being stubborn, though I lean against it.
Thus, Expedience. Who actually looked...surprisingly competent (more than I'm used to from him, sorry no offense meant, buddy), and joined the Firebringer wagon at optimal bussing point.

I'm not 100% on whether either KT or Talah were scum, but I'm 100% on thinking that Expedience is scum.

Can I persuade you to follow me?

[Mad King Ashnard]

Remember when I called BBT d1 but could never articulate it or get him lynched until he basically gave up?

This is sort of like that.

I am, right now, going to *try* to put what I have into words, but I'm not sure if it'll do justice.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I thought Talah probably *was* scum so I wanted to force a counterwagon to that wagon in order to see who jumped where.

Talah wagon died and I had a bunch of votes to analyze later once we get some flips so I decided to go back to Talah to figure out what was going on around those wagons.

Talah's replace out gave me odd feelings and I'm not sure if he's scum anymore and I get weird feelings about the two wagons so I want to push elsewhere atm.

Yeah and i also remember you trying to get me or one of my scummates in Marquis normal lynched and never worked towards trying to get us lynched which we abused to our advantage.

People generally can't be convinced.I feel.

That said, I'm going to try this.

[Mad King Ashnard]

That said, I'm not necessarily townreading Scatterplot.
I just picked the wagon for fun because he said he could mislynch me and because I had strong arguments I could use.
I'm townreading him simply by PoE because I have so many other scumspects, but if my scumreads flipped town I might look back into them.

[Mad King Ashnard]

yes, absolutely.

[Mad King Ashnard]

My current state is that Expedience is definitely scum, Trebuchet is probably scum, and Talah is probably scum as well.

I've loathed the KT wagon most of this game. I'm going to figure out Oceanwind now that we have a replacement.

Look screw this I'm not post by post analysis.

There's a few things that really bother me.

1) Firebringer vote. He talks about how PC is obvious scum with Plot the whole game, then randomly decides to bring Firebringer to L-1 as a 'let's hear from Firebringer!' vote. And appeal to emotion, wtf? This is way out of place for where Town!Expedience is claiming to be at this point in time.

2) Talah read. He soft defended Talah literally the whole game, saying shit like 'oh maybe Talah's the one getting reactions you Talah voting b-bakas!', then finally after the replace he says something that implies that Talah could be scum but immediately switches back to townreading him because the frustration looked genuine on the replace out? I don't know, I don't like it. I 'think' they're scum together but not 100%.

3) The Plot vote in general. Of all the votes on the wagon, he felt the most 'trying to push counterwagon-y' of them. He did support the wagon more than others to his credit but I felt like his reasoning was forced and disingenuous and I just feel like the Plot wagon should have had a scum on it at least, and Expedience is sort of the most likely to be scum.

4) Just gut. The way he talks, way he feels, I think he's scum.

Oh and.

Damn. Scatterplot / PC are both scum, aren't they. This is almost too fucking easy.

This post is just sickeningly scummy.

VOTE: Scatterplot

I like this vote.

Ranger is town, and so are you and Plot. Now stop tunneling and look at Sakura and talah. And maybe KT.

Please explain why you think Scatterplot is town. I saw that shitty townread on PC and became instantly suspicious of them, their defensive backtracking on their stance only convinced me further. Throwing townreads at someone playing non-seriously is so easy for scum to do.

I think this is jokier than Cobalt would be as scum!

This is mostly WIFOM, the meta aspect of it is largely unverifiable. In fact I have a specific and recent counterexample:

PC, are you sure you're not a werewolf? Can you double check your role card real quick?

Oh noes, I've been exposed.

This is PhantomCobalt after being specifically called out as his real scum role along with his partner.

Basically all that I noticed about talah was the serious conversation starting thing trying to move out of RVS and I don't find it scummy or see why that wagon is moving so fast.

Basically all that I noticed about talah was the serious conversation starting thing trying to move out of RVS and I don't find it scummy or see why that wagon is moving so fast.

Actually yeah now that I've said this, the unvote in 17 is weird. I still want to hear more from them since I can hardly know from 3 posts.

Are you unsure about your reads, Scatterplot? There are a lot of question marks there.

r see why that wagon is moving so fast.

oh boy...

...

No, Antihero, I am not implying some nebulous scum influence on talah's wagon. Nor am I implying that he is likely to be town due to this. I am simply stating that I don't support the wagon much and disagree with those who do.

No, Antihero, I am not implying some nebulous scum influence on talah's wagon. Nor am I implying that he is likely to be town due to this. I am simply stating that I don't support the wagon much and disagree with those who do.

for what reasons? you seem to be disagreeing just because and that makes me very suspicious of you?

weird untouchable reads are weird

Because he has made three vaguely scummy posts and now has several votes on him and people wanting him dead.

Throwing townreads at someone playing non-seriously is so easy for scum to do.

Sure it is, but why is it impossible that a townie gut-townread a player for playing non-seriously?

Because I consider that unlikely, and the way they responded to and defended the read while downgrading it to a read of lesser significance. Also how their actual explanation for the read seems to be more based on tone than gut.

Why is it impossible that a townie was drunk and accidentally "scumslipped" in the thread?

Basically all that I noticed about talah was the serious conversation starting thing trying to move out of RVS and I don't find it scummy or see why that wagon is moving so fast.

Because talah understood I was voting Sakura to poke her for reactions yet not only felt the need to mention it, he asked me why I was voting her on top of that.

I see that and when I first read it I thought he was just trying to move out of RVS. However, 17 makes me think he genuinely wanted to know (or wanted to look like he wanted to know) why you voted Sakura.

My suspicion is that he is the one playing us all for reactions. Again, I want to hear more from him.

Because I consider that unlikely, and the way they responded to and defended the read while downgrading it to a read of lesser significance. Also how their actual explanation for the read seems to be more based on tone than gut.

It's not unlikely at all. I've townread people based on tone lots of times.

Good for you then. Scatterplot was professing to know that PC had a jokey tone as town but I have specific evidence to disprove this. Therefore I think the townread is more likely to be fabricated.

I think your "read defense" issues are just you not being familiar with Plotinus.

So you're saying that Plotinus usually is overdefensive and backtracks as town and that this is a null tell for them? I don't like meta and am dubious of your claim.

Maybe I would like to hear from Ether then.

Why did Plot back up that PC read as if he was the one who made it?

Also seconding this so fucking much. I got confused and thought it was just one person talking until I reread through their ISO.

Why do scum lie about meta reads, Expedience? It's something that can be cross-checked. If Ether indicated that she has had experience with scum-Cobalt, and he was more serious, then that's true, regardless of Ether's alignment.

I think that Scatterplot carelessly threw out a townread at PhantomCobalt and then used meta to justify it afterwards. If they came out originally saying that they thought PhantomCobalt was town from meta then I think they would put more thought into their stance beforehand and it wouldn't be so full of holes, but they had to be pushed to provide reasoning.

@Ank can you really be wrong with a tell, though?

Sakura and I have extensive experience with each other. Just going by statistics, the odds of me being right over you are pretty high.

Ok, I understand.

Damn. Scatterplot / PC are both scum, aren't they. This is almost too fucking easy.

Third scum is probably Trebuchet or Sakura imo. I haven't decided which of those arguments is TvT yet.

The way Trebuchet backed down from Anti in 376 looks bad, as does the constant shit-flinging between Wisdom and Sakura (out of which Wisdom emerges the more reasonable-looking).

alright expedience

you've got the conn

Indeed I do.

Talah is flailing under pressure. All of his reads are OMGUS trash and most of his defense has consisted of firing back questions and casting doubt at his accusers. On the other hand, the replacing out makes me think most of the frustration was probably genuine. I don't have problems with 15.

Ktthecreeper's posts on page 22 and 23 looked super fake, like he was trying to appear town but had no idea what he was doing (e.g. 546). I don't think he replaced out strategically. 560 and 569 are scummy.

He could be just a VI though so let's hear from Firebringer. Appeal to emotion for me.

VOTE: Firebringer

That's L-1.

Expedience's odd behaviour WRT the Talah wagon is just one reason to scumread him.

Talah could be town and Expedience scum.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I do think that Scatter is (at least) slightly more likely to be town than scum.

Somehow I don't think scum!Scatterplot would so casually admit that they were planning to just ignore me the rest of the game.

Which I don't like, but I'll forget about it for now.

Also, my scumread on Expedience is not predicated on any read for Scatterplot.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I am concerned about Ank townreading me as well, considering I've taken several games off him as scum where he townread me for much of the game.

It feels a bit iffy.

[Mad King Ashnard]

You're referring to which with the second? cuz we've played 3 at least.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Postie said something along those lines, Ank.

*cough*

Share? :\

[Mad King Ashnard]

This mysterious meta read about how I push people as town and scum.

At the very least, commit to share it after the game?

[Mad King Ashnard]

That's why I had bad feelings against Plot at the beginning to be honest.

[Mad King Ashnard]

My interpretation right now is that Talah/Expedience is actually a correct scumteam and that Ocean is hard pushing counterwagons to himself/Expedience because he knows that Expedience's fall will immediately lead to his own. The Firebringer vote plays into that interpretation.

That said, if Expedience flips town I will obviously reevaluate.

[Mad King Ashnard]

{Exped, Talah??, Trebuchet MS}

[Mad King Ashnard]

Did I just call it or did I just call it?

[Mad King Ashnard]

Town: {Scatterplot, Antihero, Mad King Ashnard, hiplop}
Nulltown: {Ranger, Trebuchet MS, Sakura Hana}
Ugh I don't fucking know: {Ankamius, Expedience, Firebringer, PhantomCobalt, OceanWind}


None of the latter five have done anything to make me feel confident I'm looking at scum, and in all of the cases I find myself wondering if it's just the playstyle I'm disliking. OceanWind is a special case in that talah felt town but Ocean's aggressiveness against Scatterplot made me question that.
I also worry my trio of nulltown could actually be scum and wish they did town things so I can stop worrying.

you better revote expedience.

[Mad King Ashnard]

No fucking way.

We're not letting scum strongarm the lynch here; lynch Expedience.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I would also suggest copping RC for safety, since he looks confident enough this game to push mislynch after mislynch and get away with it.

This is incredibly scummy so yes.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Feels like he's trying to doubtcast me based on paranoia of my scum play.

The other half is that, well, I simply don't like the Firebringer wagon all that much.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Scum constantly try to subtly doubtcast my slot and talk about how I could be scum. It's literally an every game thing.

Town who think I'm likely to be scum are usually far more direct about trying to get something out of me.

[Mad King Ashnard]

It's really easy to say "Oh RC should be copped very scary" as scum.

Town will always react in the way you did.

[Mad King Ashnard]

That's not how town talk to people that they think are scum, Marquis.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Then vote me.

I'm not following scum onto a town lynch and maybe my flip will make people realize that scum are walking all the fuck over town right now.

Martin's flaking atm, think he's busy with IRL stuff.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Yes, Wisdom is sketchy as fuck this game.

We know.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Firebringer, go put forth some effort and make a good readslist like you did in 562.

When I townread him I'm town, when I say that he might be scum I'm sketchy as fuck.

Right.

I didn't call you town.

I said that's the general town reaction; that it's a safe action because no one is going to react negatively to doubtcasting on someone who didn't lose a game as scum in all of 2015.

I have disliked your slot this entire game and made no secret of it.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Ehh.

I'm going to reread you guys first.

No.
You were scum when you asked that, and I ended up agreeing with your shit. Instead of what I should of done and tunneled you.

So pissed about that.

Umm, sorry?

:S

[Mad King Ashnard]

VOTE: Wisdom

I can do this.

I want OceanWind or Expe copped tonight.

If that's not happening, cop me so that I can lead on them.

[Mad King Ashnard]

what in the actual fuck?

[Mad King Ashnard]

Oh god there's so many pages. See you in an hour or two.

[Mad King Ashnard]

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[Mad King Ashnard]

What the magnificently detailed

F

was that last post ranger?!

[Mad King Ashnard]

firebringer make a read list or promise based on our shared love for Annie that you're town in this game so I can look at other slots.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I think that KT was town and that Firebringer is scum's designated counterwagon.

I might be wrong on that in which case I should probably be cop checked to avoid being a mislynch, but I just didn't get bad feelings about KT and the way it popped up as a counterwagon to other wagons on scummy people just leaves me with real bad feels.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Anti, you've scumread and tried to lynch me

twice

at town.

You aren't qualified to pass judgement on my alignment.

[Mad King Ashnard]

idk I'm just used to Firebringer being somewhat useless unless hard pushed to do otherwise in most of his games.

[Mad King Ashnard]

yo

[Mad King Ashnard]

I'm going to lynch Firebringer today because even if he flips town like I expect him to his flip will be far more informative.

VOTE: Firebringer

[Mad King Ashnard]

Sakura's actually probably more likely to flip scum, but Firebringer's townflip will make a point to town that I think town needs to see.

And if he's scum, well, I've been wrong this whole game anyway and I need a slap in the face.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Oh look who is scum's designated counterwagon today.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Raskol hasn't really shared thoughts with me in a while and I don't think he's even caught up atm.

We thought we were going to be NKed so neither of us read much overnight.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Anti, the only games you play with me are the ones where you're deathtunneling me to stupid degree which keeps me alive unnecessarily.

I eat a lot of NKs no matter how accurate my reads are. I was N1ed last time I played this setup with all 3 of my scumreads wrong because they were afraid I'd catch on.

Trust me. I wouldn't be surprised if we were doc saved.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Oh and for the record, I would have bussed the shit out of KT if I had him on my team after seeing him in 1740.

There's no way I would defend that if it was my scumpartner.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Sakura, will you vote Wisdom with me?

[Mad King Ashnard]

Trebuchet, explain your Wisdom townread.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I will selfvote to avoid outing PRs conditional on Wisdom being cop checked tonight.

[Mad King Ashnard]

VOTE: Wisdom

This is scum.

Cop checks it if we don't lynch it today.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I have never once, in the history of my scum play, stuck out my neck even slightly to defend my partners.

You can check every single game I've ever played to verify.

I certainly would not stick my neck out defending KT who I detest and have little respect for, nor Firebringer who I'm pissed off as fuck with.

Your case holds no water, you were equally complacent in pushing the lynch away from KT. Goodbye.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Oh, and I lynched Firebringer for exactly the reason I said.

I was fairly sure the scumteam was Talah/Expedience and Firebringer was a gigantic distraction luring town's focus and making it impossible for me to get what I wanted done.

I lynched Firebringer to get rid of said distraction and because Sakura wasn't particularly a scumread. I'm happy with the result.

yeah yeah, that's what I say as scum too after trying to save my buddies

Cite a game where I defend my scumbuddy at all when they get under pressure.

You have my wiki. go.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Literally THE SOLE EXCEPTION to that rule is in 1739x, where I was considered confirmed scum and was pushing on someone that I believed was going to flip scum (and was right).

I don't defend my partners. I bus them or I ignore them.

My style isn't exactly a secret to anyone who knows me and I didn't change it for this game to defend KT.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Confirmed town for 1739x*

as a result of my BD and BG claims.

Never in another game have I defended someone who was even slightly scumread.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Wisdom, Trebuchet.

I'm awaiting.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Stay pls, the people harassing you are scum not misinformed town.

There's a way to deal with scum.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Cop checks Wisdom.

I don't want to risk any PRs being outted today because that's an invitation to disaster.

VOTE: MKA

[Mad King Ashnard]

if cop claims to have done anything but check Wisdom, you lynch him.
If cop does not claim with a report, you lynch him.

If Wisdom claims cop, you do not wait for a CC. you lynch him.
If Wisdom claims doc, you do not wati for a CC, you lynch him.

You only allow him to live conditional on an UNCCED cop having INNOED him.

[Mad King Ashnard]

yep, happy to oblige if you're going to insist on being this obstructive

Fuck off Anti.

You can't read shit.

If you were going to be NON OBSTRUCTIVE you would fucking blanket townread every game because you have
SCUMREAD ME EVERY FUCKING GAME and still not learned that you can't read me.

Your reads are generally fucking terrible and you should stick to sheeping your hydra partner.

[Mad King Ashnard]

k no more getting mad.

just lynch me. I don't like this lobby and I'm in too many games and Raskol isn't posting anymore.

Cop checks Wisdom. He is scum. Don't let him worm his way out for any reason.

[Mad King Ashnard]

then don't join a game without a hydra partner and start tunneling me when we've established you have no ability to read me.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Marquis pls stop

Sakura and RC are quite clearly the remaining scum, stop trying to lynch town

if you don't lynch this after me I'm never playing with any of you again.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I am not unvoting Wisdom for the duration of this game no matter what happens short of an uncced cop inno on him.

[Mad King Ashnard]

VOTE: Wisdom

[Mad King Ashnard]

call me scum.

I'm still perfectly happy with me getting quicklynched before PRs get outed and trading 1 for 1 with wisdom.

I'm not going to fucking argue with you of all people.

[Mad King Ashnard]

No.

At least 1 scum is in the pool of generally townread people, I can feel it.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I'm tired of you being 0 for 3 on reading me and still thinking that your read means something.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Like, this has gone way too far. I don't dislike you at all nor do I disrespect your play as a whole.
I'm just frustrated because this happens every single game with you and I just wanna smash my head against a wall rather than deal with you.
I haven't lost a scum game this year. Cop WILL check me at some point this game if they haven't already.

Forget about trying to read my slot unless LyLo comes with no report on me. Okay?

[Mad King Ashnard]

I play to keep myself alive as scum.

I hard bussed EPM in 184 on d2 when I lost my other partner d1 with a gunsmith and a JoAT alive.

That's not me, man, and I bet TTH would know it.

[Mad King Ashnard]

idk I just don't see a way to get through to you.

I've tried, it's never worked.

[Mad King Ashnard]

People pushing Sakura aren't scum because of that push, they're scum independently.

I'm not sure she's town.

But I've had a gut feeling that some of the major town leaders (someone in Wisdom/Trebuchet/yourself) is scum for a long time and it's a part of my reluctance to wagon FB.

I still feel that way today.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Scum was on the FB wagon.

I guarantee it.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Or ocunteroffer: I noticed the Scatterplot wagon got a few extra votes when the FB wagon started.

Let me take al ook there.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Hey, maybe Talah's still scum?

[Mad King Ashnard]

One vote.

For a nameless wretch like you, one blow is more than enough.

VOTE: Gorkington

[Mad King Ashnard]

VOTE: Wisdom

[Mad King Ashnard]

Pls just keep your read on me to yourself.

You don't want to embarass yourself too badly like in Arson mafia.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Gut feelings that end up nearly always being right.

[Mad King Ashnard]

tbh I haven't even really considered Anti scum.

I should get around to that.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Maybe it's not my fault, maybe I'm just really bad at hope + 1.

Or maybe I'm onto something.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Hello friends. Can someone sum up the rationale behind the Sakura/Titus wagon?

[Mad King Ashnard]

Thanks guys, in making me realize that i should have not stopped my hiatus.
You're all jerks and i hate you all, i'm never coming back, good bye

@Mod: Replace me out

jesus christ

[Mad King Ashnard]

VOTE: Spiffeh

Something just occurred to me.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Rereading.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Yeah, this is correct.

[Mad King Ashnard]

#1 wisdom, #2 Ankamius. Expedience and spiffeh I'm unsure about, deferring to RC for the spiffeh thing. Rest look town.

-R

[Mad King Ashnard]

IDK I don't like him jumping around everywhere without any reasons ever given. He's spent a lot of the game trying to cast doubt on everybody else's reads + defending people which is either buddying or just anti-discussion but definitely isn't effort spent explaining or advancing his own votes. I think him hopping off FB in a jokey manner in 1015 and then voting sakura is sketchy af. Mostly I just don't like him though

-R

[Mad King Ashnard]

If wisdom's scum there's scum in trebuchet/talah.

[Mad King Ashnard]

If wisdom's scum there's scum in trebuchet/talah.

[Mad King Ashnard]

if wisdom's town*

[Mad King Ashnard]

Alright.

I'll follow here after what happened day one..

But if this flips town we're doing things my way tomorrow.

VOTE: Titus

[Mad King Ashnard]

can we just help wisdom bus please.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I don't mean to toot my own horn but I'm basically the best busser of all time.
That bussing prowess comes with an unmatched ability to detect bussing.
We lynch Sakura today. Cop checks wisdom. easy win.

[Mad King Ashnard]

the man wants to bus the man can bus.

[Mad King Ashnard]

All I see between Sakura and Wisdom.
I'm an expert in the field of partner bussing. You were in 184, correct, where I bussed both my partners and won?
I support the man's bussing endeavours, that's all that I'm saying.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I'll paint you in yellow and slap a folding stop sign on your side.

[Mad King Ashnard]

When I realized that Wisdom was confscum and that they obviously decided overnight that they were going to bus the Sakura slot.

Why do you think she got upset and bailed? No one wants to be bussed on D2.

[Mad King Ashnard]

You realize that pollution is responsible for a wide variety of health issues?
You realize that traffic around the globe is lowering productivity and wasting people's time?
You realize that investment in public transit around the world isn't keeping up with inflation?

Support public transit today. Join a bus, stop a town lynch, save a game.

[Mad King Ashnard]

lol little miss thrown under the bus isn't even returning FoS at Wisdom.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I think Wisdom thinks that her buddy is Wisdom, though I'm no expert.
Wisdom is basically playing me in 1739x, except he's not

pretending

to be the bus driver.

[Mad King Ashnard]

You can't read me when you know my alignment

this is literally confirmed scum by the way.

[Mad King Ashnard]

You're driving that bus over Titus like you're not getting paid 12$ an hour.

I appreciate the enthusiasm though, it's a huge improvement over the TTC drivers near here who don't give a shit about their jobs.

[Mad King Ashnard]

*burps*

Let's help

Wisdom

bus.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Look if you're actually town we'll lynch Wisdom tomorrow.

NBD right?

And hey, if you're scum...

WE'RE LYNCHING WISDOM TOMORROW ANYWAY.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I think he's gone off the deep end.

-R

[Mad King Ashnard]

VOTE: Wisdom

[Mad King Ashnard]

VOTE: Titus

no we not doing that.

always support the bus.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Titus pls you're literally my favourite person on this entire site since Postie utterly betrayed my trust and became my mortal foe.

but you always help the bus. it's just good manners.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Titus pls you're literally my favourite person on this entire site since Postie utterly betrayed my trust and became my mortal foe.

but you always help the bus. it's just good manners.

note that both statements may or may not be true.

[Mad King Ashnard]

oh shit post numbers 1664 reminds me of Postie I'm super triggered now.

brb puking and crying over the unquenchable sorrow.

[Mad King Ashnard]

[Mad King Ashnard]

guys it's not my fault
i think about the horrible betrayal and heartbreak that was 558 and i can't function anymore
i need to take a permanent break from mafia until the end of this post when i can post again
everyone has hurt me badly

[Mad King Ashnard]

Personality stability over time
-Stability of temperaments during infancy
--Temperament
---Individual differences that emerge very early in life, are heritable, and involved behaviours are linked with emotionality
---As assessed by caregivers, temperament factors includive activity level, smiling and laughter, fear, distress to limitations, soothability, and duration of irienting
--Research points to the following conclusions
---Stable individual differences emerge early in life, where they can be assessed by observers
---For most temperament variables, there are moderate levels of stabillity over time during the first year of life
---Stability of temperament is higher over short intervals of time than over long intervals of time
---Levels of stability of temperament increases as infants mature.

Personality Stbaility over Time
-Stability during Childhood
--Longitudinal Study
---Investigation of same group of individuals over time
--Block and Block Longitudinal Study
---Study of 100 children assessed at 3,4,5,7,11.
--One study using Block and Block Longitudinal Study: Individual differences in activity level
---Activity level assessed in two ways
----Using actometer and independent assessments of behaviour and personality provided by teachers
---Stability Coefficients:
----Correlations between same measures obtained at two different points in time (test-retest reliability)

Personality Stability over time
-Stability during childhood (continued)
--Validity coefficients:
---Coefficients between different measures of the same trait at the same time
---Actometer measurements of activity level had positive validity coefficients with teach measurements of activity level
-Thus, activity level in childhood can be validly assessed with measures

Stability during childhood continues
-Activity level measurements are all positiively correlated with measures of activity level taken at later ages
-Activity level shows moderate stability during childhood
-Size of correlations decreases as the time interval between different testings increases

Personality Stability over time
-Stability of childhood agression
--Individual differences in aggression emerge early in life by 3 years
--Individuals retain rank order stability on aggression over many years
--Stability coefficients decline as interval between two times of measurement increases.


Personality stability over time
-Across different self-report measures of personality conducted by different investigators, voer different time intervals (3-30 years) broad personality traits show moderate-high levels of stability
-Average correlatinos across traits, scales, and time intervals is about +.65
-Stability also found via spouse-peer report.
Personality consistency tends to increase in stepwise fashion with increasing age-Personality appears to become more and more set in plaster as people age.

-Big Five personality factors show a consistent mean level stability over time
-Especially post 50, very little change in average level
-Small but consistent changes, especiall yduring the 20s.
--Openness, Extraversion, Neuroticism decline with age until 50.
--Conscientiousness, agreeableness show gradual increase with time.

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Changes in self-esteem from adolescence to adulthood
-Transition from early adolescence to early adulthood appears to be harder on women than on men, in terms of the criterion of self-esteem
-Females tend to decrease in self-esteem, males tend to increase in self-esteem.
-Appears to be a coherent set of personality variables linked with changes in self-esteem over time for each sex.

Personality Change
-Autonomy, Dominance, Leadership, and Ambition
--Longitudinal study of male managerial candidates, first when men were in their 20s and then follwed them up periodically over a 20-year span, when men were in their 40s
--Steep decline in ambition--steepest during first eight years, but continued to drop over next 12 years.
--Supplementary interviews suggested that men became more realistic about limited possibiliites for promotion in a company
--But note that autonomy, leadership motivation, achievement, and dominance increased over time.

Sensation Seeking
-INcreases with age from childhood to adolescence
-Peaks in late adolescence around ages 18-20
-Falls more or less continuouosly with age after the 20s

Personality Coherence over Time

-Alcoholism and emotional disturbance
--In a longitudinal study of men, high neuroticism predicted the later development of alcoholism and emotional disturbacne
--Alcoholic men had lower impulse control scores than men with emotional disturbance.
Adult outcomes of children with temper tantrums:
-longitudinal study spanning 40 years.
-Men who, as children, had frequent/severe temper tantrums achieved lower levels of education, lower occupational status at their first job, changed jobs ffrequentl, and had erratic word patters.
-If in the military, men who had tempre tantrums as children achieved lower military rank than their peers.

[Mad King Ashnard]

[Mad King Ashnard]

[Mad King Ashnard]

you think it's nonsense now
i'll take 5 shots and start posting again tonight and we'll see what happens.
better get a lynch before that happens or you'll have absolutely no hope of any sort of dialogue for the rest of this game.

[Mad King Ashnard]

I want it understood that, just as Wisdom is confirmed scum, Spiffeh has my full and utmost confidence as town and I could not conceive of a universe where he was one of those deceitful, foul mafiosi.

This is important.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Plot you were morally obliged to replace me out from 558 and save me from the pain and heartbreak of that LyLo.

I hold you responsible for my lost soul.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Spiffeh has my full and utmost confidence as town and I could not conceive of a universe where he was one of those deceitful, foul mafiosi.

What the fuck weren't you all over me like 3 pages ago?

I've always had covert feelings for you. I thought if I scumread you you'd pay more attention to me.

Notice me, Spiffeh senpai!

[Mad King Ashnard]

I want it understood that, just as Wisdom is confirmed scum, Spiffeh has my full and utmost confidence as town and I could not conceive of a universe where he was one of those deceitful, foul mafiosi.

This is important.

[Mad King Ashnard]

*ahem*

[Mad King Ashnard]

don't cry me argentinaaaaa

the truth is I never left you

all through my wild days

my mad existence

I kept my promise

you kept your distance

[Mad King Ashnard]

y u dont is hammering thai tuss

[Mad King Ashnard]

cheet the shitposting has barely even started.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Titus stop bullying me.

[Mad King Ashnard]

Still no hammer.

The time may have come to up the shitposting ante.