Blitz 21 - Hope plus One ―kibou― [End]

[Trebuchet MS]

VOTE: talah

~Spiffy

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Marquis we don't have an avatar pls fix

~Spiffy

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PhantomCobalt is town, though, so there's that! I'm not really interested in the talah wagon.

I don't get it why is PC town?

I like this.

I don't.

~Spiffy

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i thought i was going to hear from marquis.

now im sad.

I've spent more time trying and failing to align the gif capture box correctly than I have looking at the playerlist for this game, much less any of the posts other than Anti's.

Spiffeh and I have a hydra PT! In it is our Role PM! And our Role PM is town! Thank you pie. That is all you need to hear from me for now.

-Marquis

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WHOOPS

Some of you may now know my email account. If you are one of those lucky few please come forward now so I can vote you.

-Marquis

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I think hiplop is town.

I think Expedience could be town.

I don't really want to lynch either!

[Trebuchet Marquis]

[Trebuchet MS]

Now I think Expedience is town.

[Trebuchet Marquis]

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marquis how come? I feel like I'm smashing my head into a brickwall

That's mostly why!

[Trebuchet Marquis]

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Hey guys I'm here dw

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Well that gives me pause.

Why are you attempting to form a counterwagon to Talah, you peasant?

VOTE: PhantomCobalt

Ew

complains about a counterwagon to talah while simultaneously contributing to one!

~Spiffy

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Agree

Whether that was your intention is the question

~Spiffy

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Wow you have all the answers don't you

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

hiplop and Anti are town

~Spiffy

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talah scum claimed on the first page and I don't see my vote moving any time soon

~Spiffy

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See that L-1 didn't even phase me

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

I haven't read your posts

[Trebuchet MS]

~Spiffy

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Expedience is scum

~Spiffy

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Basically all that I noticed about talah was the serious conversation starting thing trying to move out of RVS and I don't find it scummy or see why that wagon is moving so fast.

good catch anti.

This is a scummy fucking post right here

hiplop you are on fucking point this game

~Spiffy

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The only acceptable wagons rn are talah and Expedience.

Phantom is town.

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Ank and Sakura are town too yay

Everyone keep obvtowning this is easy

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Ank and Sakura are town too yay

Everyone keep obvtowning this is easy

~Spiffy

Nice reasons you got there.

Ew what the fuck?

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Anti are you scum? You're a little too obsessed with me for my liking.

[Trebuchet Marquis]

[Trebuchet MS]

Get your hydra partner to explain the townreads he's throwing out completely unsubstantiated.

Other than his scumread on Expedience that I disagree with, there's not much there that I'm too concerned with at this stage. I think you're just going to have to deal with him having opinions.

Also, the specific brand of "substantiation" you seek is extremely overrated in this particular climate.

[Trebuchet Marquis]

[Trebuchet MS]

i meant :), not , sorry

[Trebuchet MS]

hey marquis

i have a new secret scumread

you wanna' guess who it is?

VOTE: anti

[Trebuchet MS]

low effort anti, low effort

[Trebuchet Marquis]

[Trebuchet MS]

I disagree with the Anti townreads. I see all his posts so far as just playing surface-level on like, the typical conversational town-Anti calling cards.

I know that didn't make any sense, but what I mean is I see him trying to subvert the typical scum-Anti lurker meta by trying to hand me a bunch of easy stock statements, barely alignment-indicative posts (for him, at least) instead.

[Trebuchet Marquis]

[Trebuchet MS]

Yeah after I made that post I thought I might be doing that thing where I give Anti too much credit as scum out of fear of incorrectly prematurely townreading him for the first time.

I don't remember seeing a scum!Anti capable of snarky or even independent thought - that's not meant to be a personal attack but something we've all taken to be inherently true up to now.

[Trebuchet Marquis]

[Trebuchet MS]

Like I want to scumread Anti for the purely selfish reason that I don't want to be wrong about a townread on him at any time. I think that might be tainting the actual perception here.

I still stand by my point that his ISO feels relatively devoid of life as compared to usual though.

[Trebuchet Marquis]

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ANTI OH MY GOD ARE YOU ACTUALLY SCUM

[Trebuchet MS]

ANTI OH MY GOD ARE YOU ACTUALLY SCUM

yep

vote's not moving

that's dumb

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Get your hydra partner to explain the townreads he's throwing out completely unsubstantiated.

Scum Sakura doesn't step on anyone's toes.
Scum Ank doesn't do anything.

They are town.

~Spiffy

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Well town Marquis does it too apparently

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

I KNOW THAT IS EXACTLY TRUE

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

He did shit all in Cougar's Den

That's literally why we lynched him

Like I'm pretty sure you said "you're not doing anything" as justification for it

So don't give me that

~Spiffy

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Sakura what does Mana have anything to do with it? He was town there.

~Spiffy

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Yeah Anti I'm sure that's EXACTLY what you were thinking lol

~Spiffy

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You need a timeout young man

~Spiffy

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lol it actually kind of sucks we're town otherwise all this playerlist drama might actually be entertaining for once

-m

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not sure how likely it is that a town sakura comes to my defense here tho

-m

[Trebuchet MS]

Then why did you give me shit for my scum!Ank analysis when I was clearly basing it off of Cougar's Den?

~Spiffy

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Because you went into it with the intention of scum reading me, that's why!!!

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Ok I need to read things now

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

First of all why wouldn't you be able to believe that?

Second I never said he was scum. He is conf biasing, something town can do as well.

Whether it was malicious remains to be seen.

~Spiffy

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It's funny because Town Spiffeh and Town Marquis both think Scum Anti Is Scum.

-m

[Trebuchet MS]

Oh never mind! Town Spiffeh is hedging and doesn't know yet. I think we'll talk about this maybe. Maybe!

-m

[Trebuchet MS]

Maybe this confirms us as town because I'm not dumb enough as scum to speak on the behalf of a hydra partner when it comes to reads in case of inconsistency!

It really should!

-m

[Trebuchet MS]

Also Sakura you should know I'm town by now what's the hold up?

~Spiffy

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You guys are annoying me js

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

I'm townreading Expedience now

Which is annoying because I have like no scum reads I'm confident in

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Like talah also reminds me of that one game we played where he was town

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

There's probably scum among Wisdom, RC hydra and KT because I can't get a read on them

Maybe Plotty too since I skipped like 75% of their posts

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Because Mana Khemia is a thing, you've seen how easily recognizable is anti scum via level of activity and engagement in general.
On another note your play this game is starting to feel really awkward.
Also your hydra partner isn't making things easy for you by trying to avoid hydra dissonance right after you guys do hydra dissonance feels like those trips could be alignment indicative of either of you trying to do damage control on what the other is doing and is taking the opposite effect.

Sakura I was like the last person to even identify Anti scum in that game so I don't know why you're acting like I know Anti-scum inside and out.

Don't buzzword at me. What posts come across as awkward.

~Spiffy

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hiplop why are you town reading me?

Because usually I have to twist your arm to get you to recognize town me and you go to great lengths to convince everyone I'm scum.

So your seemingly arbitrary town read makes me paranoid.

~Spiffy

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Wisdom you're not pointing to anyone

~Spiffy

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hiplop why is it that with every new scum read you say the same thing? (The whole "X is sooooo scummy omg")

It's starting to seem forced

~Spiffy

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The more I think about it, the more I think that town is in a much more dangerous position than we think.

Why would you say this ominously and not like

Go into detail or explain why

PEdit: Is that the only reason for this statement?

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

VOTE: Sakura Hana

I'm townreading almost everyone except Ranger (out of necessity), MKA, KT, and her. Between the latter two is where I'd be voting, but the two votes in succession earlier turn me off even if I'm townreading them.

-m

[Trebuchet MS]

the two votes in succession on KT last page*

[Trebuchet MS]

Her responses this game strongly remind me of the scum-Luna Fox in my mini normal recently: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

[Trebuchet MS]

Anti tbh you should also see I'm town by now

but ok

~Spiffy

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I'm disappointed we work so well together

~Spiffy

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Hey RC you're giving me a scum vibe.

And I can't explain why.

How does this make you feel?

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

hiplop how DARE you

HOW

DARE

YOU

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

srs though I don't remember you doing that in other games?

~Spiffy

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Hey guys Wisdom might be scum this game

~Spiffy

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Plotty that was cute

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

^ scumpost

~Spiffy

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VOTE: kt

-m

[Trebuchet MS]

Fully support the wagon now.

[Trebuchet MS]

Lol "absolutely scum"

~Spiffy

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I don't think this is anyone's town game, let alone yours.

... but that's like. town.

[Trebuchet MS]

EBWOP

So you're *still* scumpainting me while trying to present yourself as the bigger person cutting me some slack.

... but that's like. TOWN.

[Trebuchet MS]

The wagon on Plotty sucks they are town.

~Spiffy

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hiplop is back to town for me from his interactions with talah.

~Spiffy

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I'll laugh at anyone who tells me that post WASN'T atrociously timed.

RIGHT BEFORE THAT POST HE WAS READING THE THREAD ALL OVER AGAIN SO HE COULD GET A FIRMER FOOTING. If you don't have time you don't do that.

He replaces out when his wagon grows. He's scum.

~Spiffy

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Sakura you are very unnecessarily critical of me this game jsyk

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

If he's scum that invented (or used) an ear infection as a ways to avoid suspicion for his replacement, that's one the lowest of low things akin to strategic use of V/LA.

I have no doubt it's real.

I also think he's quite possibly truthful about it being an issue which deserves being replaced for.

I just found the WAY he replaced out to be indicative of scum, who don't want to let their slot be lynched even though they aren't going to be in it anymore.

basically

call it "too basic" but all I've seen from his playstyle is that sort of experience state

sorry, these are mine. forgot i was under this account.

[Trebuchet MS]

Hey guys we think RC is scum

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

I will not be moving out vote from Firebringer.

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

{Fire, MKA, [???]}

[Trebuchet MS]

actually I'd put Sakura in there, just not sure which slot

[Trebuchet MS]

^ Lol

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Wisdom why are you so unsure about yourself this game?

I feel like you are more confident and stubborn as town

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

FB is dying today sorry

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

You're fun RC

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

oh it's all about you. for sure.

-m

[Trebuchet MS]

you sound so titus right now in your "analysis" of how town and scum scumread you.

-m

[Trebuchet MS]

for the record, i wouldn't classify anything regarding our scumread recently as subtle. we're just not interested in lynching you because there's a more likely scum candidate with vote support, whose lynch was almost averted. we're content there for today.

-m

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That's not how town talk to people that they think are scum, Marquis.

well RC apparently i'm a special case too!

-m

[Trebuchet MS]

I'm actually also getting paranoid that you are scum trying to strongarm mislynches now. Either that or you're being dumb.

since when do you get paranoid over a townread you were just defending

-m

[Trebuchet MS]

Wisdom I just called you out on something last page lol

Don't get smart with me!

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

actually since when have you ever lacked confidence this much as town...

-m

pedit no, firebringer is scum. i think you're scum but i'm less confident there.

as of right now i would actually lynch wisdom or sakura over you though. i'll give you that at least

[Trebuchet MS]

i just realized that's 4 scumreads over 3 real scum.

which means i need to rethink things

ughhhhhhhhh

-m

[Trebuchet MS]

You're not

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Town will always react in the way you did.

Yes, Wisdom is sketchy as fuck this game.

We know.

When I townread him I'm town, when I say that he might be scum I'm sketchy as fuck.

Right.

his post was pretty obviously sarcastic, taking into account the context of his supposed scumread on us that we both know about.

the posts you're starting to attack - the points you're making now just feel more and more like scum throwing weak dirt

-m

[Trebuchet MS]

RC if you're the one I'm wrong on

VOTE: Wisdom

Spiffeh noticed it, I noticed it, and that makes this read the one with the stronger indicator in my book

[Trebuchet MS]

RC if you're the one I'm wrong on

VOTE: Wisdom

Spiffeh noticed it, I noticed it, and that makes this read the one with the stronger indicator in my book

(sorry for not consulting you first spiff, but i feel you wouldn't be opposed to this)

still reading expedience as town. but i am definitely open to a wisdom flashwagon.

[Trebuchet MS]

anti

wisdom is scum

i'm reaching out, you'd better reach right back

[Trebuchet MS]

But Marquis I want FB dead first

(Anti how do you like that hydra dissonance?)

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Jk Wisdom is scum fr fr

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

It's ok Wisdom better luck next time.

Also I'll be here for the next hour catching up if anyone wants to chat!!!

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

np babe

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Btw guys this isn't a town!Wisdom reaction

So no one try to act like it is when they see it

He should be wagoned pls and thx

PEdit: FB shush you're scum too

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

That's what I'm saying

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

I am your godfather.

scum claim

get him

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

And he said "your godfather" because Wisdom is his buddy

man I'm good

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Im sorry if I upset you

its just you're scum

LOL

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Ank is like my strongest town read this game

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

I am now doubting FB being scum because Wisdom and RC are scum and I don't think he would be the third

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

I mean I'll condense on FB if need be

I should have read this game sooner so that's kinda on me

Wisdom's reaction to our pressure is really terrible though why aren't we flashwagoning him

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

I DIDN'T GET THERE YET ANTI GOD

STOP SPOILING IT FOR ME

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

hippy thoughts on Wisdom?

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

good boy

you know what to do

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Town Wisdom pushes his own agenda so hard

Here he doesn't even HAVE A FIRM FUCKING SCUM READ

LYNCH HIM PLEASE

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Wisdom I get you have to resort to this behavior to discredit us as much as possible but it's starting to piss me off



~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Also town Firebringer knows I'm town here

So he can be scum

w/e Anti let me finish reading and we'll see

~Spiff

[Trebuchet MS]

"How are you town?"

What the fuck kind of question is that

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

I need more Sakura in my life

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Wisdom that avatar is so much better please keep it

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Plotty what do you think of Wisdom?

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Oh wtf PhantomCobalt is in this game


PEdit: Sakura is town

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Oh shit Ranger is in this game too

She's probably scum omg

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Will people please stop spamming the thread and voting on a whim? We have nine hours left for deadline. Join one of the leading wagons (hint: Firebringer is the right choice here).

Step back and re-evaluate tomorrow.

Yeah you're right commenting on recent events is definitely not the right move here let's just tunnel vision and waste the rest of our day

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

You tunnel all the time mate.
Hypocritical if you ask me.

Yeah but I'm cool

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

If Firebringer is scum, I want to look more at Trebuchet MS. Could be inside knowledge treating that replace out as scummy.

This is awful

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

OceanWind is definitely town

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

No

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

I like his push on Scatterplot even though I disagree

The way he keeps prodding people to look over his Ether case looks really town

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

He wasn't even town in those games.

You

were town in those games.

---

I partly just want to replace out of this game because I'm not sure how I'm going to simultaneously re-read the thread while keeping up with these inane posting. If all you are going to do is spam, spam, spam, just let me know, I'm out of here. There's no way I'll be able to catch up with the thread.

Like, do any of guys not

get

the value of not using every minute of the dayphase making dumb one-liners that lead nowhere? The last game I played, town won a perfect victory. You know how many pages the game was? Twenty-three.

This is one of the towniest (if incorrect) posts this game imo

Spiff quote this and vote Sakura imo, I don't want to align with RC/Rask anymore after reconsideration and would rather join this wagon with ank also im on mobile in the snow

i kind of like fire's latest posting :/

--P

yeah me too

Ew why do people like FB's posting

I do not at all

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

k bye

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Marquis I don't want to vote Sakura she's town

I want to vote Firebringer who only gives a shit about looking town now that he has a chance of actually surviving

His posts are still shit I don't know what everyone's seeing.

[Trebuchet MS]

VOTE: Firebringer

Sorry if you don't agree Marquis but I think this is the place to be

[Trebuchet MS]

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

VOTE: Sakura

Spiff please trust me here

[Trebuchet MS]

ANTI I'M REALLY REALLY REALLY TOWN THIS TIME PROMISE

[Trebuchet MS]

a sakura scumlynch

anti seriously

-m

[Trebuchet MS]

Gorkington why are you playing with my emotions

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Also fuck everyone who said the replace out wasn't scummy (not really).

It was scummy as fuck

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

VOTE: sakura

[Trebuchet MS]

Also Sakura checking in close to deadline but not hammering is scummy af

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

gj Marquis

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Damn, I should've stayed on talah.

Oh well, today im gonna go against the people voting the obvious scum counterwagon

Vote: Wisdom

yeah this is scum. opportunistic as heck.

[Trebuchet MS]

But actually, Firebringer's selfhammer makes me think that Sakura is probably town anyway?

balls in your court marquis

[Trebuchet MS]

hi gork we're town please help lynch scum

[Trebuchet MS]

Sakura Hana (4) - Wisdom, hiplop, Ankamius, Trebuchet MS

if there's scum on this it'd be ank. wisdom's concession near day-end was town as fuck, and hiplop was a strong townread during day 1.

[Trebuchet MS]

nvm i got him and mka/rc confused. now remembering that rc was the one to switch over i'm not as strong on that read, but coming from wisdom it reminded me of some recent townplays from him.

[Trebuchet MS]

kkk

:squint:

[Trebuchet MS]

spiff.
you're a close second right now.
~
:c

Ew go away

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Yeah pls don't flashlynch

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Oh and Ank is still obvtown for whoever said he might be scum

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Yeah I think RC is scum too

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Sakura is this your way of distancing with flipped scum?

I'm having trouble believing it

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

I would lynch RC over you tbh

Also the same argument could be applied to you about me

Wisdom and I are town so start looking elsewhere

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Sakura Hana (4) - Wisdom, hiplop, Ankamius, Trebuchet MS

Sakura all four of these players are town (if these are the four you're talking about).

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

Marquis convinced me

Interactions with Firebringer don't look like scum buddies. FB tried to attach himself to Wisdom.

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

I wanna vote RC I think Sakura might be town

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

What Gork

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

For what? lol

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

You're still scum if that's what you were wondering

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

You're still scum if that's what you were wondering

~Spiffy

This was at RC, not Wisdom

~Spiffy

[Trebuchet MS]

oh no a trust tell

[Trebuchet MS]

But actually, Firebringer's selfhammer makes me think that Sakura is probably town anyway?

it read to me he was sacrificing himself to the potential counterwagon forming on sakura. Not sure where you came to this conclusion at all sakura...

Ethers play today is REALLY worrying to me FWIW.

i actually read it as depriving me of the chance to hammer as it was instantly after anti's callout to me; with the amount of time left no way sakura would have actually gone through :/

but yeah scatterplot is my most preferred lynch here. but again i'm just feeling vindictive toward sakura's decisions here

[Trebuchet MS]

like, spiffeh disagrees - to what extent i'm not sure - but scatterplot is by far my strongest scumread for how they entered today and in hindsight how they treated the kt/fire situation

[Trebuchet MS]

(up until this page sakura was my largest scumread, and call me a sucker for AtE or whatever, but again dumb town trust tells)

[Trebuchet MS]

It's RC, marquis. Ether was a little worrying but she's not scum.

rc-hydra is on the same level as ank right now for me. they're both null to nullscum, somewhere in there.

the only slot worse off than that is scatterplot, though.

[Trebuchet MS]

VOTE: scatterplot

anti

anti

please

[Trebuchet MS]

VC

[Trebuchet MS]

sorry habit

[Trebuchet MS]

tbh i'm thinking just line lynching the expedience wagon would be a p good strategy

Expedience (3) - Scatterplot

let's start there ^

[Trebuchet MS]

scatterplot and ank

scatterplot and ank

scatterplot and ank

say it with me now

[Trebuchet MS]

or scatterplot and {phantom/maybe even ranger} i'm not picky

[Trebuchet MS]

he did that to me too but that's town!wisdom for you unfortunately :/