Blitz 21 - Hope plus One ―kibou― [End]

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VOTE: ankamius

tell me a story, lamb

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top tier obv im there

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VOTE: talah

why so aggressive

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You didn't give a reason and I'd usually associate that with a test but also I know sakura can tilt pretty easily when prompted.

So I'd prefer the reason on the sakura vote considering you gave none.

like this is a seriously bad, seriously scummy post.

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Plot, talk to us about your talah scumread?

mostly sheeping hiplop. I felt it was weird the way that talah acknowledges that wisdom is probably reaction testing sakura but then needs an explanation RIGHT NOW before sakura even has time to respond to wisdom's vote. If he thought the rvs naked vote was for reactions, which is a reasonable assumption, and he thought the purpose was to get reactions from sakura, then why was he getting in the way of that?

i have dinner on the stove.

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Hey I got more stuff here! btw <3

i could also do talah

page 4 guess: talah, sakura, mad king

meh, wrong, possibly wrong.

Sakura reaction to talaH is weird.

Got a weak gut townread on Wisdom, not sure whether he'd have RVS voted me with that kind of reasoning as scum but i'll roll with it for now.
Mad King also gives me some town feels.
Maybe hiplol because of his weird logic for talah-scum.

P-Edit: talah, i have no fricken idea, will have to wait until later because i've only played one game with talah recently, and then all i remember from him is like from years ago

She uses some weird meta defense, despite admitting not knowing her well, and continuously just "mehs" and ignores it mostly. This reads to me as a super awkward early interaction.

Is this the the type of play that won Antihero best town performance?

group award

Oh Might King, I think thoust are wrong. Surely Plot is the fairest! (I think that slow is hella town fwiw.) You're fighting them over semantics.

So my problem with talah is that talah got in the way of sakura and wisdom. and my problem with you is that you're getting in the way of me and phantom by being impatient and demanding answers NOW NOW NOW when I will explain my reads when i'm ready. I'm not going to lynch anybody based on unexplained reads, I'm not going to derail a wagon with unexplained reads, but i'm not going to explain reads that are still in progress.

YEP! For two people who don't know eachother they sure are talking to eachother INCREDIBLY strangely.

I wouldn't place hiplop so high, but I more or less like your reads.

i FLY HIGH LIKE PAPER GET HIGH LIKE PLANES

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There is a definitively weird association with sakura and talah, and I really REALLY think talah is scum.

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Basically all that I noticed about talah was the serious conversation starting thing trying to move out of RVS and I don't find it scummy or see why that wagon is moving so fast.

good catch anti.

This is a scummy fucking post right here

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No, Antihero, I am not implying some nebulous scum influence on talah's wagon. Nor am I implying that he is likely to be town due to this. I am simply stating that I don't support the wagon much and disagree with those who do.

for what reasons? you seem to be disagreeing just because and that makes me very suspicious of you?

weird untouchable reads are weird

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and that makes you think...he(?) is town?

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well isn't it more likely that it was scum scumslipping than assuming some personal issue contributing

marquis how come? I feel like I'm smashing my head into a brickwall

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No need for a hammer before talah gets the chance to post.

Where's the Talah hammer at tho.

^ this. unfortunately I think phantom is town ~_~

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you're tunneling

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plz stop being a minute faster than me wisdom

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Scatter why say Expedience's meta read is valid? You're stating the obvious.

this.....

might be scum

plot or ether remind me why you're townreading this again, plz.

Its a playstyle thing I fear

Sakura is so so so scummy holy shit

Phantom wagon is a steaming pile of dicks. Dude is VI not scum.

Talah might actually be scum.

Expedience is an awful wagon and you should feel ashamed.

Are scum really this brazen about chainsaw defending Scatterplot?

finally being reasonable. Talah fucked up and is obvious scum. I'll give you some credence on plot in the future but like really, talah is scum dont tunnel.

Spiffy is town, but he's wrong on sakura I think.

Well you're wrong on the second. I'm not really sure about Sakura yet.
The "meh" on me seems okayish at this stage but I do tend to try to get a read on her fairly quickly (at least historically) so that could be stalling so she can go either way depending on where I end up.

Also what's with your assertion that Sakura an I don't know each other? Is that the basis of your scumread on me?
We've played a bunch of games together, but only one semi-recently before this.

So you, sir, appear to be trying to reinforce a bad read with bad assumptions.

Bad strawman is bad. It is NOT contigent on you not knowing eachother. Your interactions are awful and she overreacted like sakura does trying to deflect your wagon. That is seriously different than the misrep here. Seriously.

I think sakura is trying not to atep on any toes, spiff. How do you think she isnt?

Anti/Spiffmarq/plot are all town I think. Talah is still scum

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Same feeling about you, actually lol. I think I'm right this time, honestly

I'm getting spifflop vibes, and especially marquis is super townie

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explain kt? I actually cant remember them even posting

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I also have a hard time reading spiff and gunned for his lynch incorrectly in like two games. Lazy spiff is different than active spiff, though. This is active, probably town spiffeh IMO

Talah I don't have much time now but when a large quantity of players buy into my point and you still can't read/understand it, and you have to result to insults, thats pretty low even for scum

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hiplop why is it that with every new scum read you say the same thing? (The whole "X is sooooo scummy omg")

It's starting to seem forced

~Spiffy

i do it everygame fuck off

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I point to the thing that is scummy and leave u to figure out why

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VOTE: PhantomCobalt

Just saw his posts on this page. There's no way this slot is town.

ew? This is the worst entrance into a game ever

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go back n look

I absolutely hate repeating my points so I say them once and then basically just go "FUCK YOU SCUM" over and over

like idk look at any game lol

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Like, what was I supposed to say other than talah i sstill scum when shes lurking like shit to avoid pressure?

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you've been basically invisible ank

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get wolf in here hes more honest

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Without going into detail about it and focusing solely on Talah instead is also trying to deal low blows.

Excuse me? That is NOT an insult. Scum = Mafia. I think you're lovely, you just happen to be unaligned.

Talah insulting me is VERY different

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Then pay more attention, because that wasn't the first time I have called PhantomCobalt scum, or even given reads on people that aren't him.

I expect better reads/play from you is all. you rock, please start rocking.

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Personal insults are lame

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Like I don't even want to talk to talah, seriously fuck this game and people being assholes

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Also I really don't think plotter is scum and I feel the KT wagon is sorta I'm bad spirits cuz he's replacing out

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(I left the last bit there as an example of the other drivel you're injecting into the thread.)

Aside from that all you'd said was "why so aggressive" and then directly quoted my Post 15 and said it was scummy. No reasoning.
So rather than explain why your associative tells are rock-solid, you're actually saying that I'm talking crap when I address the only reasoning you've provided.

Like holy fuck darn I'm having fun while playing a game? These people are my friends like this is hella pretentious and like honestly my contribution to this game has been pretty good. Shame its about you being scum but like holy fuck everyone can be wrong(I don't think I am but still no need to be a jerk)

IT WAS SCUMMY BECAUSE YOU WERE NERVOUW AND TWITCHY FROM LIKE NO PRESSURE. YOURE ON EDGE, YOURE STRAWMANNING ME AS A PLAYER. YOU ARE NOT A NEWB BUT ARE FALLING OVER CLASSIC NEWB SCUMTELLS.

You can't possibly tell me you didn't understand the point of my case. Seriously. That is absolute bollocks.

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I am still super sad that we probably aren't eating fish for dinner today.

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like, not only that but your pushes on ranger, plot and me are all awful OMGUS reads. I actually don't see where you get to your conclusions except pure unchecked revenge, reiterating the whole scared scum afraid to actually develop unique reads

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Well you're wrong on the second. I'm not really sure about Sakura yet.
The "meh" on me seems okayish at this stage but I do tend to try to get a read on her fairly quickly (at least historically) so that could be stalling so she can go either way depending on where I end up.

Also what's with your assertion that Sakura an I don't know each other? Is that the basis of your scumread on me?
We've played a bunch of games together, but only one semi-recently before this.

So you, sir, appear to be trying to reinforce a bad read with bad assumptions.

Bad strawman is bad. It is NOT contigent on you not knowing eachother. Your interactions are awful and she overreacted like sakura does trying to deflect your wagon. That is seriously different than the misrep here. Seriously.

Bad strawman is bad? You're going to need to explain that little doozy to me, since the only real indication of *why* you find me scummy is directly with regard to my association with Sakura.

So my problem with talah is that talah got in the way of sakura and wisdom. and my problem with you is that you're getting in the way of me and phantom by being impatient and demanding answers NOW NOW NOW when I will explain my reads when i'm ready. I'm not going to lynch anybody based on unexplained reads, I'm not going to derail a wagon with unexplained reads, but i'm not going to explain reads that are still in progress.

YEP! For two people who don't know eachother they sure are talking to eachother INCREDIBLY strangely.

I wouldn't place hiplop so high, but I more or less like your reads.

i FLY HIGH LIKE PAPER GET HIGH LIKE PLANES

(I left the last bit there as an example of the other drivel you're injecting into the thread.)

Aside from that all you'd said was "why so aggressive" and then directly quoted my Post 15 and said it was scummy. No reasoning.
So rather than explain why your associative tells are rock-solid, you're actually saying that

I'm

talking crap when I address the only reasoning you've provided.

Here's your case:
talah's aggressive
Post 15 is scummy
Sakura and talah's interactions are awkward
They're even MOAR awkward because they don't know each other

Then when I point out that we do in fact know each other...

You're strawmanning, I didn't say my case was about you knowing or not knowing each other!!!1

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You and Ranger both appear to be doing this thing where you cheerlead the talah-scum case, and anyone indicating that I might be scum, but fail to address me or attempt to get a read on me, directly.
You also both fail to do anything else to reinforce your own "cases".

For example:

{talah} - for butting in between wisdom and sakura, then sheeping wisdom (like everyone else said)?

If by that, you mean 13/17, then yes. Nothing I've seen from talah has changed my opinion of how bad that was.

This doesn't say anything about why those two posts are bad, just obliquely refers to them and moves on.
(Interestingly it leaves out post 15 which you yourself took umbrage with.)
However, seven out of eight of Rangers last posts refer to me being scum, and the only development of reasoning is (see below) which is also pretty terrible.

So you two are actually in my scumpile just because of how bad your arguments are.

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You? Impact. Me? Impact. Antihero? Impact. Wisdom? Impact. Scatterplot? Impact. Trebuchet? Impact. Mad King Ashnard? Impact. Heck, even PhantomCobalt has had an impact, albeit a negative one. And while Sakura Hana is contestable, to me Sakura has had impact.

Ankamius, KTthecreeper, and talah all have not.

When did "impact" become a thing that only Town are capable of - therefore blanket town-reads are handed out on that basis?
This extremely poor reasoning. Also your latest readslist moving everyone else "up" only appears to serve to work around Mad King's issue with them being in a tier *below* Scatterplot.
What you've in fact done is picked out two others as "scum" and moved them down and then adjusted your townlist to be more palatable for RC - who incidentally I'm now leaning town based on this appeasement.

VOTE: Ranger

Happy to lynch hiplop
Open to lynching Scatterplot

3 scum reads are the 3 people.pushing your death. How convenient?

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Who is scum outside of the people who pushed you and the replaced out guy?

Is that all your reads? That's pretty fucking scummy if so

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Talah donyou normally scum read replacements? Irrelevant to you being scum that'd a terrible stance I think. In this game it furthers me read on you. Oppurtimistic as hell

Yeah I'm not sure what to make of the scatter/KT wagons tbh. Honestly I think both might be a compilation of scum and town with scum ready to jump to whichever got the largest

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I literally don't care about "classic" scumtells. I think they're pointless and especially when buzzwords get thrown around I tend to question the validity of the underlying read.

Incidentally if I *had* rolled scum I *would* be newbscum because I've played almost no scum games.

But if you're just taking an independent tell and applying it to me knowing almost nothing about my play then I think that's really wrong and/or scummy. There was *certainly* scum on my wagon. And I don't think I should need to condone my own flip to prove that's where I'm coming from.

Oh. My. God.

That is NOT what is happening. Seriously. Fucking iggzhsjjjstsyshjoamstusyayahab. Stop ficking misrepping me

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Spiff my policy is to treat all replaces as null.

And I would be okay with sakura, ank.

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Really.
If he's scum that invented (or used) an ear infection as a ways to avoid suspicion for his replacement, that's one the lowest of low things akin to strategic use of V/LA.
The fact that any of you is even treating it as such is upsetting.

This

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No one has anything to say about me retracting my scumread on Plot?

it confuses me lol

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yea talah should burn. Scummy and condescending and gah

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yeah actually mad king can you clarify whether you DON'T scumread plot or you just see talah as worse?

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YOU ARE SCUM. THAT IS 99.99999999999999% OF MY READ ON YOU

STOP TRYING TO FUCKING SPIN IT INTO A POLICY LYNCH. IT IS NOT. YOU'RE SCUM AND ARE TRYING TO STRAWMAN EVERYONES CASE BY PULLING THIS SHIT. SERIOUSLY. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOU AS A PERSON/FISH, YOU'RE JUST SCUM

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LIKE DO YOU REALLY THINK I CAUGHT YOU POST 1 BECAUSE OF YOUR ATTITUDE EVEN THOUGH IDK YOU? NO!!!!!!

LIKEIOJDSDFJKNSDFKSKNJ.BDFSDFGKDFGKLFGD

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you still think shes town after all this ank?

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he scumread you and NOW its a policy lynch on top of it

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Which makes you all the more likely to trip over the things I caught you on.

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gee almost like you'd be having difficulties playing as scum

example: this whole fucking game and getting caught in your first post

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Which makes you all the more likely to trip over the things I caught you on.

We've never played a game together I don't even understand what you're talking about

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WHY DO YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT OTHER GAMES

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alright expedience

you've got the conn

?

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I feel like people might move over fwiw (plot for example was on it earlier? )

btw what does conn mean

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I thought you meant to say conch ala lord of the flies

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talah! don't leave

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Im sorry if I upset you

its just you're scum

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talah is scum, basically. Replaced out right before getting lynched

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was scum far far before she replaced out

just read the game its pretty obvious

pedit: plot vote talah plz and thanx

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love you plot but idk what you're talking about

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its probably because its 5am and I haven't slept
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pedit: why? I really don't think so :/

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I don't plan to read will anyone catch me up?

10/10 attitude :\

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Both of the leading wagons are likely town.

yea...This is awful

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I prefer expedience as scum over firebringer, i think...but neither are really pinging me as scummy

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I've played with expedience before but I can't remember which game. I'm going to do some research but I'm sorta behind and fuck I don't like either leading wagon >_<

ocean does look MUCH MUCH better than talah though :\

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Anti convince me.on firebringer? I honestly have never been able to read the guy

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Yea, his "I don't scumhubt" pissed me off but I'm not sure if he just bothers me or if he's scum

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that's horseshit, btw. i know firebringer knows how to scumhunt and will do it as town even if he eventually falls into apathy. ppl don't replace into games and then immediately become apathetic though.

Honestly dude I think you might be giving him too much credit. Many games with me he has replaced in and done absolutely nothing, refusing to read the game

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sdfklajlkfdjalskghlasdfk

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Ocean, I just re-read your case and I actually agree. I have this weird read on the plotinus hydra where I think plot is town but ether is scum. I need more time to figure out if plot is playing me I think

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explain why sakura is your biggest questionmark, but also your top scumread?

Why don't we lynch oceanwind? I feel we might have given her a classic free pass cuz talah replaced out? I like her recent catch up but I still feel MUCH more comfortable there than firebringer

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offtopic: why do you do it alphabetically?

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Ank is like my strongest town read this game

~Spiffy

...what

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Town: {Scatterplot, Antihero, Mad King Ashnard, hiplop}
Nulltown: {Ranger, Trebuchet MS, Sakura Hana}
Ugh I don't fucking know: {Ankamius, Expedience, Firebringer, PhantomCobalt, OceanWind}


None of the latter five have done anything to make me feel confident I'm looking at scum, and in all of the cases I find myself wondering if it's just the playstyle I'm disliking. OceanWind is a special case in that talah felt town but Ocean's aggressiveness against Scatterplot made me question that.
I also worry my trio of nulltown could actually be scum and wish they did town things so I can stop worrying.

this is a pre shitty reads list fwiw

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Thanks hip!

I initially read those bottom 5 as "scum reads" and didn't think anything bad of it

Realizing those were more null reads is...interesting? I see what spiff is saying tbh. I'm not sure it makes you scum though

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if you convince me youre town and actually want to do something...

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this is more the town firebringer I remember. I'm not the right person to read that slot though lol

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why are we townreading the slot that has crumbled under pressure TWICE

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VOTE: sakura

Prefer this to the two big wagons, think it has the best shot of actually forming into something. Sakura has been scummy as hell all game

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But actually, Firebringer's selfhammer makes me think that Sakura is probably town anyway?

it read to me he was sacrificing himself to the potential counterwagon forming on sakura. Not sure where you came to this conclusion at all sakura...

Ethers play today is REALLY worrying to me FWIW.

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I didn't talk about wagonning you but scumreading you, yes!

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so many replacements

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sakura is scum i think

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sakura is scum i think

i know

but... you know we have to work through the fourth mafia goon here

I'm working on it anti!

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...interesting ^

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Ranger I've liked you t he rest of the game but you saying ether's random townread is bad, I have to say this sakura one is no different.

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I would be swayed onto ank. I really do think sakura is scum though. I will relook though.

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Still think talah-slot is scum fwiw. Giving gorkyboy a chance though

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I'm with you except for a few. Why is gorkington so high?

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I'm with you except for a few. Why is gorkington so high?

why you softpushing me.
push me.
i want investment.
give me motivation raraaaaarara.

Talah scumclaimed page one. I am trying to shake that. You are fine, its your replacees that sucked/werescum,my

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I just am struggling to find more reads. Everyone I scumread freaks out and replaces out :\

I honestly do think this is town gork. I'm just struggling over early talah.

I think I'm okay with ank. He hasn't done much

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u've played with town me before

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bye marquis

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I really don't like scatterplot anymore, guys. Seem to be buddying RC pretty fucking hard

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VOTE: scatterplot

Also lets titus have a chance to do her thing

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I won a spelling bee in 7th grade;

I NEVER MISSPELL!

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^ lol

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?

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i think ur wrong on this one

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do me do me!!!

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am I just being a tunneling idiot?

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goddammit i think I am :/

gonna have to reevaluate some things...

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to stop a wagon forming on you

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sorry guys I had super busy day and ill get to this in a few hours

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Scatter > ank > phantom

I'm still a bit behind (saturday night partyin!) but that is my stance from skimming last few pages

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this is horrible please dont do this spiffeh. I think you're town but all this does is let scum slip through the crakcs

Town:
Antihero because duh.
Hiplop because of tone, mainly.
Gork because the attack on me is blatantly town.

Rest:
Wisdom and Scatterplot are question marks; I have a spotty read accuracy on Wisdom and I've never played with either head of Scatterplot before; neither slot has given me any alignment impressions either way.
Ranger is down to null. The attack on me is either town who is just deathtunneling all game or scum who is using it as an excuse to not do anything. It's nearly impossible to tell and the fact that there's very little in her ISO when you remove me from it doesn't help anything.
Expedience is leaning town; his vote on Firebringer at the end of the day doesn't look like bussing and he was hesitant to join the Sakura/Titus wagon for a lot of day 2. It's an awkward scum agenda to take when he's this consistently under pressure. The reason he's not straight town is because of the last second Titus vote.
Spiffeh read is on hold until he can quantify his read on me. My paranoia on him is mainly from how vague he is with defending me and I'm well aware that this is a blind spot of mine. I have no idea what the differences between his town and scum game are otherwise, so.
PhantomCobalt is null-scum. I can't shake that I was onto something with him despite being wrong on Sakura. The read itself feel very distant, but then again I can't even remember anything he's done in a really long time.

this readslist is bad af man. Why do you not have a SINGLE scumread? There are 6 reads here that you can safely jump to without looking bad. This is like, super scum reads list???

Spiff please explain this ank read it makes no sense to me at all :/ paranois me..

I think wisdom is right re: expedience. He is a noob. He felt this way in our last game together.

man wisdom youre so arrogant. it's obvious talah was the nk n1 because scum didn't want to eventually deal with me replacing in

this made me laugh out loud. Good job.

PC is town I think. He is a bit of a troll but very likely town. I don't support that lynch at all.

I will however VOTE: ankamius I hated that readslist.

Town-wisdom anti, ranger
less-town- gorkington, spiffeh, Expedience, PC
scum- plothydra ankamius

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that first quote is supposed to have spiffeh listing off the possible lynches for today

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worst comes to worse I'll do scatterplot too.

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hat's the reason it's not a case! I'm not trying to lynch him.

If i were trying to lynch him i would be voting him and telling people to sheep me.

plot why do you have to be so scummy here?

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phantom is a troll Wisdom, thats why I townread him.

And I called yu out for the

exact same thing

as ank, wisdom. Rest of your posts make you townie, anks DO NOT.

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Scum can troll too, man.

I don't think anyone is going to come into the day saying "I should have bussed my partner"

Plot even mentioned how trolly he is and how he got mislynched for essentially the same thing in her game :\

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Wow I can't believe my turbobus on KT slot actually worked

Was a vi anyway

?

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In the game I ICed, he wasn't just trolling. He was also getting reads out of his trolling and sharing them freely. That's what's missing here.

I think that's L-1. I'd be willing to hammer that at some point but I'm not done ISOing people; this is the first day this day phase that i'm alert enough to participate and i'd kind of like some more time.

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This is so fucking scum. Seriously. Complete tone change on the slot. Oppurtunistic as fuck

I'm fine with the lynch cuz I could be wrong (trolling hard to read) but I really think we're hanging the wrong person today

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VOTE: scatterplot

better?

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this is

NOT

town plotinus or ether.

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This is so fucking scum. Seriously. Complete tone change on the slot. Oppurtunistic as fuck

could also be that she sees the writing on the wall and is changing her tune to not be left off the wagon

Yeah, that is why I AM open to the pc lynch. I could be wrong there.

Either way I think this is scatterscum

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idk what that is plot

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*insert joke about the school spiffeh goes to that I forget*

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weirdo

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so u guys dont wanna join plot wagon?

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rabble rabble

intent to hammer

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will hammer before I go out in 55 minutes

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ya I have to go so

VOTE: PC

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I think that is an antihero/ankamius clear

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and before anyone asks, i was convinced after the d2 flip that ranger was the cop with an inno on sakura and wis and i built my d3 reads around that

you and wis have a pt? or?

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im lost about what you mean there

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im stupid lol sorry

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I'm pretty sure it is scatterplot?

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I'd say Ankamius is for sure clear. That strange read by spiffeh makes sense now.The other very well may have been RC because he doesnt really do a clear for anyone else? Really drives home that hes got info on ank, but no anyone else.

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Scatterplot could still be scum, who knows, I sure don't.Expedience could still be scum, who knows, I sure don't.But during twilight, and over the night, I realized why Ankamius was town. By the time I realized it, obviously, thread locked so I couldn't exactly say, "welp I'm an idiot", but...welp I'm an idiot, Ankamius is town.

this rubs me the wrong way. Like, it just doesn't come off sincere at all?

pedit: lol okay then...?

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So your case is essentially I was wrong about firebringer...?

Feel free to look up any meta of me with firebringer where I say I can't read the guy at all. I can't. His posting style messes with my brain.

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ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? I WAS ON FUCKING SPLATTERPLOT ALL FUCKING DAY?

I FUCKING BEGGED THESE PEOPLE TO SWITCH TO HER AND YOU'RE SAYING I WAS TRYING TO ENSURE IT WASN'T SCATTER? FUCK THAT SERIOUSLY. READ THAT FUCKING INTERACTION AGAIN

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YOU CAN'T SAY "I'VE BEEN PURSUING TOWN ALL GAME"

WHEN MY TWO FUCKING BIGGEST SCUMREADS ARE STILL ALIVE.

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In the game I ICed, he wasn't just trolling. He was also getting reads out of his trolling and sharing them freely. That's what's missing here.

I think that's L-1. I'd be willing to hammer that at some point but I'm not done ISOing people; this is the first day this day phase that i'm alert enough to participate and i'd kind of like some more time.

--P

This is so fucking scum. Seriously. Complete tone change on the slot. Oppurtunistic as fuck

I'm fine with the lynch cuz I could be wrong (trolling hard to read) but I really think we're hanging the wrong person today

HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU POSSIBLY THINK THAT WISDOM?

SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK?

[hiplop]

this is

NOT

town plotinus or ether.

VOTE: scatterplot

better?

In the game I ICed, he wasn't just trolling. He was also getting reads out of his trolling and sharing them freely. That's what's missing here.

I think that's L-1. I'd be willing to hammer that at some point but I'm not done ISOing people; this is the first day this day phase that i'm alert enough to participate and i'd kind of like some more time.

--P

This is so fucking scum. Seriously. Complete tone change on the slot. Oppurtunistic as fuck

I'm fine with the lynch cuz I could be wrong (trolling hard to read) but I really think we're hanging the wrong person today

Scum can troll too, man.

I don't think anyone is going to come into the day saying "I should have bussed my partner"

Plot even mentioned how trolly he is and how he got mislynched for essentially the same thing in her game :\

phantom is a troll Wisdom, thats why I townread him.

And I called yu out for the

exact same thing

as ank, wisdom. Rest of your posts make you townie, anks DO NOT.

hat's the reason it's not a case! I'm not trying to lynch him.

If i were trying to lynch him i would be voting him and telling people to sheep me.

plot why do you have to be so scummy here?

so u guys dont wanna join plot wagon?

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I'm fine with the lynch cuz I could be wrong (trolling hard to read) but I really think we're hanging the wrong person today

Nah, they're both scum.

mmmmmmmmmmmmm

i don't think i'd buy a pr claim from him anyway

Ok idrc

no, phantom is still scum

hammered for these fucking posts when you gave me the fucking thumbs up to do it.

fuckj that nonsense seriously get outta here

[hiplop]

are you fucking scum wisdom?

[hiplop]

mmmmmmmmmmmmm

i don't think i'd buy a pr claim from him anyway

I'm fine with the lynch cuz I could be wrong (trolling hard to read) but I really think we're hanging the wrong person today

Nah, they're both scum.

Ok idrc

Hammer at will.

Scatterplot next and gg

honestly? regardless of alignment you fucking misrepresenting me and that fucking pisses me off

[hiplop]

I HAD TO FUCKING GO FOR THE NIGHT. LOOK AT THE FUCKING GAME.

THIS REEKS OF FUCKING SCUM THEATRE.

Its fucking wisdom/plot

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It does not matter if anyone gave you the OK to hammer. It matters that you hastily hammered him before he even had the chance to claim. And it wasn't even deadline.

IM SORRY BUT SERIOUSLY FUCK THIS. I HAD TO GO AND PEOPLE FUCKING ASKED ME TO DROP THE FUCKING HAMMER.

THIS IS FUCKING SCUM WISDOM. HE RAN OUT OF SCUMREADS AFTER BUSSING HIS FUCKING PARTNER SO HE HAS TO SET UP MY LYNCH FOR FUCKING TOMORROW

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wisdom you know this about me:

I fucking hate the meta on this site that you have to wait until the very last fucking hour to end the day. Someone else was gonna hammer anyway and I wanted to be the one to do it. like fuck

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VOTE: scatterplot

bus your fucking partner wis.

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I solved this fucking game.

[hiplop]

A little pressure and hiplop became a different person. What do you know

BECAUSE YOU FUCKING MISREPPED ME.

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I had to go for the weekend, wasn't sure if I'd have any internet connection. Everyone said to go ahead so I did.

I'd do that regardless of alignment. No one was biting on my scatterlynch so I gave up.

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Yeah, now that you mention it, hiplop's rush on Phantom could be to make sure he was lynched and not Scatterplot.

^ this is a fucking misrep.

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I FUCKING WANTED SCATTER DEAD.

YOU ARE STRAIGHT UP BOLD FUCKING FACED LYING.

[hiplop]

...and then I continued on scatter until it was obvious that wouldn't happen

fuck off and bus your partner plz

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(wisdom, I'm sorry I like you as a guy/player. I just am mad that I was wrong about you and that you're misrepping me. Sorry for the rage)

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VOTE: scatterplot

bus your fucking partner wis.

^

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please actually read my posts.

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ranger is probably town but goofed up and said I have only been on town when my two biggest scumreads are fucking alive?

wis jumped on that and revealed him as scum.

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its wisdom/scatter.

Look at this scum theatre.

Wisdom tunnels all game on scatter, randomly drops the read in favour of me. He keeps delaying actually going through on scatterplot. SCATTER COMES IN AND AWFULLY DECLARES WISDOM CONF-TOWN. There is nothing there showing a wisdom cop inno at all. These guys are vying for endgame ans its really obvious.

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and they are doubtcasting the guy with the fucking innocent (ank)

[hiplop]

gorky is right in that even if ank wasn't the clear he is conftown becase scumank probably doesn't shoot spiff

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(But he is pretty obviously the clear)

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Oh and Ank is still obvtown for whoever said he might be scum

~Spiffy

day 2...

[hiplop]

wait

if you were scumAnk

and it looked like someone got a inno on you but didn't (I guess it was on wisdom, actually. I looked back and marquis seems awful sure wis is town), you would TOTALLY shoot that cop to clear you, right?

[hiplop]

wait

if you were scumAnk

and it looked like someone got a inno on you but didn't (I guess it was on wisdom, actually. I looked back and marquis seems awful sure wis is town), you would TOTALLY shoot that cop to clear you, right?

I literally won Graveyard Shift mafia doing this ^

[hiplop]

I think you're unfortunately right.

Spiffehs tendancy to be make sweeping bold claims makes this a bit hard but I think its n1 wis, n2 ashnard n3 dead

[hiplop]

Ashnard was the person Spiffeh found the most suspicious going into Night 2. It seems clear that there was hydra dissonance on Ankamius on Day 2, because Spiffeh taking over is where the townread on Ankamius solidified--not overnight. So why would he check someone he was townreading instead of his top scumread?

-Ether

this is still scum because who the fuck cops their top townread?

ether is way too good for that shit

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ebwop: scumread

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cops n vig's are for the question marks

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I'm trying to figure this game out. I get pinned for this in every lategame gorky :\

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hippy. i dont like how scattered youre being.

I thought I figured it all out. Wis/Scatter

But apparently I was wrong. That fucking sucks and makes me mad.

pedit: I get mad. you know that.

pedit: See? right there. I can't read firebringer.

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like idk man, look at any game with me as firebringer and you'll see the resentment to play with him cuz while I think hes an alright guy I think hes a borderline troll that is just so hard to read cuz he barely plays

[hiplop]

im just sayin'. and im trying not to let it influence me too much because iirc hippylove gave me scumvibes for similar reasons. im just falafeled at some of the reactions youve had. in particular the way you flailed at people scumreading you earlier. q.q

I know. I got this in inorganic chemistry, Hitchcock, villains, clue. Its like the go-to way to get me lynched is my fliphipflopping votes/scattery view of things

pedit: OF COURSE IT IS SKETCHY. But its the truth? Like I'd come up with some actual reason if I was scum but guess what? I just can't play with him because to me he is a troll.

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literally every time he replaces in

let me see

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@gorky weird example but its hard to remember this sorta thing in specific games

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7389924

ISO us that game. I make it pretty clear I can't read him. Mollie thought she caught him as scum and I

completely

let her do her thing there. I just can't do it. At all. Ever.

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Anyways: the thing about firebringer is dude plays WAY too many games at once and doesn't seem to care much about dying as town. As scum he tries to fabricate that.

that was me as scum trying to mislynch him while admitting I couldn't read him.

Its a personality thing

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Ank may very well be trying to tie himself to me.

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VOTE: ranger

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I figured scum shot at me n1

[hiplop]

I was fucked from pretty early on. all the potential mislynches replaced out and made me look hella bad

[hiplop]

@RC I sent in your nightkill and like within minutes after deadline sent a pm to pie being like "FUCK SPIFFEH IS THE COP NOOOO"

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this game was so hard

Ranger Anti Gork were all so town it was impossible to ever lead a lynch on them. The two possible mislynches came out as CONFIRMED DOCTORS and the final person was cop cleared. Seriously I just gave up

[hiplop]

It had more to do with you flailing and falling apart the minute you were suspected (and PRs). Stop complaining about the replace outs. You still got Titus lynched and it's not like you would have been in a better position if I was in the game. Nothing about my replace out was alignment-indicative. If I as scum genuinely couldn't keep up with the game despite my sincerest effort, then I'd replace out. I don't buy into the "spam thread and induce apathy" thing some people do. I'm morally opposed to any replace out that could be alignment-indicative and don't condone strategic replacing out.

bullshit. I was gone regardless. The entire game crumbled on my back and there was nothing i could do