Blitz 3: Dead of Winter Mafia - Game Over

[Makoto Nanaya]

First

[Makoto Nanaya]

VOTE: Davesto to keep the daves balanced

[Makoto Nanaya]

Hi ranger.
Guess you can't tell us what constitutes a wagon, huh.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Also, you should play more fighting games.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Well we do have something to discuss now, namely the fact that there's 2 votes on TSB. I can only assume pisskop's motivation, but if it is due to not participating in RVS rather than being an RVS vote than we have something interesting. Personally I can see both side's point, which is why I want you two to fight it out for a bit so I can have more to go on.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Don't fight for too long though, we only have 3 days.

[Makoto Nanaya]

I think it could be a towny thing, but I want to wait. and see.

Because I didmn't get so great by rushing. OC.

Well with only 3 days, rushing is to be expected. We shall see where this leads.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Before i forget

UNVOTE: Davesto to keep the daves even.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Before i forget

UNVOTE: Davesto to keep the daves even.

This pings scum a bit. Are you concerned about balance like this often?

Only in RVS. Remember my reason for voting him in the first place.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Hence dumping a joke vote. I'm not allowed to take an opertunity to joke when I do that?

[Makoto Nanaya]

VOTE: No Lynch

Now that's an interesting vote to just drop in with. Wanna talk about it?

[Makoto Nanaya]

VOTE: No Lynch

Now that's an interesting vote to just drop in with. Wanna talk about it?

VOTE: A Royal Saint
VOTE: Davesaz
VOTE: Davsto
VOTE: Expedience
VOTE: Gameplay506
VOTE: Hiplop
VOTE: Klingoncelt
VOTE: Makato Nayaya
VOTE: Pisskop
VOTE: Ranger
VOTE: Scorpious
VOTE: The Jester
VOTE: The Silver Bard

UNVOTE:

Well then.
Post restriction?

[Makoto Nanaya]

@KlingonCelt -- Who do you think is scum and why?

Vote that person as many times as the post in the ISO you think explains it. If you disagree with the idea just Unvote.

Feel free to Unvote afterward if wanted/needed.

If more than one post Unvote between the groups please.

VOTE: Gameplay506

Yeah he could stand to do a thing. This early it could be RL things but into 48 hours left of day one and he still hasn't said anything I'd get suspicious.

[Makoto Nanaya]

be back in an hour ish. Gotta drive home.
Can someone look up who hasn't posted yet while I drive please?

Just the jester, if my count is correct.

[Makoto Nanaya]

I don't have any particularly strong feelings on expedience just yet. In my experience RVS debates are often TvT, though not always and other people's reaction to it can help with scumhunting. The person i'm concerned about right now is saint, his reasoning seems strange, though I may be reading it wrong.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Now that i understand ARS's read i can safely say it makes no sense, at leas not in a game with daytalk.
I think it's equally likely to be a town mistake as a scum push though, so no vote just yet.

[Makoto Nanaya]

I've got my eye on ranger for lack of reasoning with his reads, also he should post more.
Speaking of people who need to post more, Jester! He's had 1 post since his "I didn't get a role PM" post, and it was a joke. Not a good thing, guy.

[Makoto Nanaya]

I'll post my feelings on everyone a bit later when I have more time. To prove a point to bard about how annoying that was, it shall be in the form of one post per person.

Since I have a minute, l'll start with gameplay.

Play the dang game. Lurking isn't nessisarily alignment indictive, but it doesn't help town. That said, lurker lynches are for when we have no other leads, and he could always turn around and start posting.

Well that altslip didn't take any time at all.

[Makoto Nanaya]

The Jester

Not much to say really. If he has a big post oncoming then that would fix the only issue I have with him. Nullread until then.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Hiplop

Hasen't posted much, but he has some reads. Could stand to explain his reads more, but null leaning town.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Klingoncelt

Post restrictions are a pain. Gonna have a hell of a time reading him.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Davsto

Is pushing people he thinks are scum, which is good. I don't nessisarally agree with his logic, (or bringing a rule break in as evidence), but he seems to be trying. Townlean.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Ranger

Speaking of davsto's reads...
SHE flipped from Bard to Saint as a compromise, apparently because she was scum reading both and switched from top scumread to leading wagon. She shouldn't be voting without reason, especially not delibratly, and I don't think that particular vote swap makes a lot of sence. She should talk about her reasoning.
Scumlean until then.(and perhaps after.)

[Makoto Nanaya]

Running out of time for now, so the rest of you will have to wait.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Scorpious

Mostly null on him. He takes little pokes at people but I don't think it's enough. Should help out more or risk looking scummier as the game goes on.

Also, he ends sentences with 2 periods. Not really notible, but it bugs me.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Pisskop

His ego-based post restriction doesn't make him harder to read, which is nice. Seems to be putting in some work, but that PL request is a little concerning. Townlean for now.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Join me in a few hours when I go through the remaining players!

No later than 4 hours from now, to be presice.

[Makoto Nanaya]

VOTE: klingon

deadline coming, best lynch available i think.

Would you care to expand on the why it's the best lynch?

Echoing this request.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Rule against saying post restrictions publicly

Show me the rule. It refers to secondary wincons, not post restrictions.

In fact, under the rules, a post restriction

can't

be a wincon because the act of following the restriction would break the rules, but not following it would also break the rules.(For not playing to your wincon)
It's a paradox that is only broken by makeing a PR a role, not a secondary wincon.

[Makoto Nanaya]

davesas

You are a little hard for me to read at this point. there is some strange things in your ISO that could be scum or style, and i don't know you well enough (or at all) to know the difference. Townlean.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Expedience

Was the Pro-RVS side of the debate early on. That fight seemed TvT to me, so i had him as a townlean. More recently however he's been pushing KC because of her post restriction, using evidence I don't really see. I don't like it, but it may just be headstrong town. Null for now.

[Makoto Nanaya]

The Silver Bard

The other half of the early game RVS debate, I've liked his posting since. He seems to be trying to solve the game. Town on him, and i'll get into my opinions of his ARS push on ARS's post.

[Makoto Nanaya]

A Royal Saint

This guy, his logic for pushing Bard was not that good. Apparently he still believes it but moved to hs "third scumspect", lurker Gameplay. Suffice to say I Really don't like his push, but the possibility that he's just overconfident in his reads is enough for me to want more information first. Scumlean and save for D2 on. Bard pushed back hard which is good for information gathering, but i'm not quite comfortable with lynching him just yet.

I think that's everyone. Feel free to berate me if I missed someone. Gameplay earned a little more of a scumlean for his non-post earlier today, he should read in the next hour or so and finally post some thoughts.
Ranger is the person I'm most interested in right now. followed by Saint then gameplay. Jester posted earlier and voted for me, all i can say is i hope these posts have cleared up your concerns.

[Makoto Nanaya]

But, why are you not putting down a vote?

Because i forgot it was blitz.
VOTE: Ranger

[Makoto Nanaya]

I'm gonna be unavailable for the next ~4 hours, if things happen in that time than i will react when i get back.

[Makoto Nanaya]

She forgot the why

Well with a post restriction...

[Makoto Nanaya]

So first things first, gameplay is probably town. If I had to guess, the scum are trying to force us into a second D1 with that No kill.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Voice? We have a message?

[Makoto Nanaya]

Yeah i don't have much experience with lynchproof roles so i kinda assumed. It may actually be best to try again and see what happens.

[Makoto Nanaya]

That said, we probably shouldn't quicklynch, so no vote just yet.

[Makoto Nanaya]

But, why are you not putting down a vote?

Because i forgot it was blitz.
VOTE: Ranger

VOTE: Makoto Nanaya

You claim not to have experience with roles. However you are experienced enough to play multiple kinds of mafia. You agree with the strategy that gameplay is probably scum but say you don't want a quick lynch. There haven't even been enough people for a quick lynch. I feel that you are trying to stall for a better option rather than hunt or ask questions. This does not compute.

Gameplay also needs to get online and explain.

You automatically assume that because i have experence, i know every role and their uses in setup balance? The quicklynch comment was mostly preemptive. And yes gameplay stop lurking for 5 seconds.

[Makoto Nanaya]

@Makoto, what do you think of Ranger now?

Same as i did before, given he hasn't posted anything yet today.

[Makoto Nanaya]

VOTE: A Royal Saint.

Nothing has changed my opinion.

I can't find myself forming townreads this game for some reason (outside gameplay, who is town), except by proxy of my scumreads: A Royal Saint, Makoto, The Silver Bard, and hiplop all are figures of interest to me.

can you explain your reasoning on all 5 of these names?

[Makoto Nanaya]

@mod: I haven't voted yet either, and the deadline is expired.

I did it again guys.

SO GOOD AT THIS.

[Makoto Nanaya]

More post restrictions?

WHY

[Makoto Nanaya]

@Makato

What is your overall mafia experience?

fair amount of livechat, a little bit off site and a handful of games as peptobislawl, my main.

[Makoto Nanaya]

I'm probably gonna be asleep when the lynch happens so I'll put my vote on VOTE: Hiplop, of the 3 leading wagons his posts have been the most unhelpful to town in my opinion. If something big happens overnight and I don't move my vote, that's why.

[Makoto Nanaya]

VOTE: Mako

This a cop result? Watcher? What's up?

[Makoto Nanaya]

Right, time for fun facts!
1. I didn't register that "mako" was me until the vote count.
2. I'm a vanilla town (with a secondary wincon)
3. I'm probably getting lynched today anyway because VT is not worth saving
4. You should Lynch pisskop after my flip.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Hey I don't care if I die, my flip gets pisskop dead to rights.

[Makoto Nanaya]

I need honesty here, because my role is affected by the presence of others.

So just to be clear, you're saying your guilty or whatever this is may be complete bogus.

[Makoto Nanaya]

I dont believe I said that at all.

Then what the bloody blue hell are you saying?

[Makoto Nanaya]

Well I would like a claim from pisskop before this goes down just to see what the hell he is.
Look into davesaz and ranger on top of pisskop for me please.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Is that ereon?

I have no idea what you're referring to.
So probably not.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Well I've pretty well said everything i wanted too. The only defence left is posthumous.

See you tommorow, pisskop.

[Makoto Nanaya]

Pisskop, if your town, I hope you have a good defence. You're gonna need it. Other than him, Davesaz needs some eyes his way.

Seeya in dead thread.