Newbie Mafia 17 - GAME OVER -

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We're starting, cool.

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Vote: gslamm

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Mathcam

I feel obliged to encourage everyone to read the first day of Newbie 12. It's important.

Ah, the infamous cop-claims-doc game. I read through all the Newbie games before joining, so I was actually considering what to do, since the cop from that game is in this game.

The problem I see is that there's no way other than an investigation to know if Stimpy will be scum or town. If he's cop again, even that's useless. Also, if he's town, being up front about investigating him probably isn't advantageous. Several rounds of "wine in front of me" later, I'm still nowhere near a good Stimpy strategy. Anyone else have any ideas? (The above is all going on the assumption that Stimpy will continue his posting style from the previous two games he's been in.)

At the very least, since there are two mafia, we know that at least one of them is going to be catchable in a more traditional way.

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Ok, then I'll retract my assumption. I don't like assuming people will sabotage games anyway, it's more that I noticed because it was such a big issue for that game. I'll certainly give Stimpy the benefit of the doubt (playing style-wise). It's good you mentioned it, Cam, otherwise that could have unduly influenced this game.

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I'll trust Yoko to address whether Stimpy's showing up or not. I do hope he does.

I did see the second vote on gslamm, and was debating it a bit. On one hand, we didn't have any information to justify a bandwagon against anyone, so why the second vote? On the other hand, without a second vote somewhere along the line, we aren't going to generate any conversation, which means no chance of getting the scum. So I kept my vote there to see the response. Believe me, I would have been the first to unvote if it came to a third vote going on. I know a speed lynch would be detrimental to our attempts to catch the mafia.

I'm looking at the gslamm/Jaguar dynamic now. I agree with gslamm that it is odd that Jaguar would jump to his defense. I also find it very odd that he should have a distinctly negative reaction to his defender. So my vote will stay where it is right now.

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Good to see we have everyone here.

And I see I have two votes on me. I'm pro-town. If there's any suspicions people have of me they want me to address, though, ask away. As of now, the only reason I can see for the current bandwagon against me, such as it is, is that people keep rolling 6 on their dice. Please keep track of the vote numbers and unvote me if this bandwagon gets any worse -- lynching me would be bad, but lynching me quickly because of funny runs of probability from random.org would be far worse.

To Stimpy: throwing that second vote on randomly when we already have good discussion? That wasn't suspicious at

all

.

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Um...anyone want to jump in here? Is everyone other than me a "weekend-away" person?

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Jaguar: I saw your post on the preview with respect to the defending gslamm/accusing Morpheus issue before posting, and debated changing my wording. I decided against it because accusing Morpheus had the effect of also defending gslamm. The question in my mind is which end was really the intent of the post -- if defending gslamm was a by-product of the argument, or the cause of it. I'll let it slide for now, as I could see reasons for what you did from both a town and a scum perspective. (That is, I can't tell one way or the other right now.)

I'm not going near the Stimpy-wagon until either a cop fingers him or he posts enough that I can evaluate whether or not he's scummy. I can't tell much of anything from three short posts. I will ask this, though -- could you explain the reason for your FOS on me, Stimpy? It's not because it's pointing at me that I ask, it's that I like to have explanations for FOSes in general.

Flying Dutchman is really flying low -- hasn't posted in this game in over three days, and has posted elsewhere on the board in the interim. What gives?

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Sorry to hear about the flood, Stimpy. Hope there was minimal impact on health and property in your area, and that everything will be back to normal soon...(although by your post I assume you're able to get to work now, which is positive).

And now for normal game conversation...

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I concur with wanting a real defense from gslamm, mostly for Mathcam's second reason (which I pointed out before). I just can't figure out why a townie would be that aggressive towards someone defending him, especially since it wasn't even a direct defense. I can think of several reasons why a scum would do that, though, whether Jaguar were also scum or not.

My other suspicions are:

Flying Dutchman: Had the second post of the game, nothing since, although he has been around this site. It's been four days, why the disappearance?

Morpheus: Second vote on gslamm (not Morpheus), and quick unvote...then nothing. That one's been three days since the last contribution to this game, and I think he's been around too.

Mod - are Flying Dutchman and Morpheus still playing? I don't want a lynch until I can get a confirmation about if they're lurking or not.

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Double-posting to add:

The reason for my vote on Jag was well explained and Jag and Yaw have both indicated that it made sense. I have since removed this vote due to Jag's explanation.

No, it wasn't. What was well-explained was Jaguar's behaviour. What you haven't explained yet, and dodged in your last post, was

your

reaction to Jaguar's behaviour. I still want to hear an explanation about that.

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Ok, read over the thread again. Note to self -- original Morpheus vote was for gslamm, not

me

. Why I stated that Mathcam mistook his first vote as being for himself I'll never know. I'll also make a note to myself that I shouldn't be so anal about irrelevant details in the future.

I still want to hear an explanation of gslamm's reaction to Jaguar's vote on Morpheus. Reading over the thread again, I'm seeing this as less scummy on the part of Jaguar, which makes the reaction to it by voting stranger in my mind.

Regarding Stimpy -- Mathcam starts out by bringing up the issue of Stimpy's play in past games, then states he spoke with Stimpy and expects he will play better in this game. Then Cam jumps on gslamm for voting for Stimpy due to posting style, even though Stimpy has been better in this game. So far, so good. But then we get this:

Stimpy - Much more active and coherent in this game than in hsi others. Because he's mafia? Maybe.

Excuse me? Stimpy's played in two prior games, in one of which he was scum. His being scum did not influence his coherency in past games, why would it do so here? The logical explanation for Stimpy being better in this game is Cam's chat with him after Newbie 12. So now that Cam urged Stimpy to be more coherent, and Stimpy responded, he's scum because of it? Something's very strange and inconsistent here.

(Incidentally, I do find Stimpy suspicious on the second reading, but that's because of his vote on me being for

personal reasons

, rather than because he suspected me of being scum. It has nothing to do with his coherency. I also don't find him as suspicious at the moment as gslamm, who I see becoming increasingly erratic.)

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No, Morpheus, gslamm isn't one away from a lynch. It was at two votes before Jaguar voted for him at the end of the last page, and Flying Dutchman cast the fourth vote. Looks like gslamm's lynched.

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Bah! Go town!!!

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Way to go, town!

So it was Cam and Stimpy, eh? That certainly puts Cam's comments about Stimpy on day 1 in a different light.

I followed the game after dying, and there's one thing I still don't understand. FD, why did you quick lynch gslamm, especially

after

saying you didn't think he was scum?