Case against Wraith:
Introduction: The main thing that caught my attention on Wraith is how active he is but how much he seems to lurk. He is prompt in responding to questions and posts quite a lot (but very short posts, with little information). He had a brief period where he posted 2 long "scum-hunting" posts, but those were out of character for him, because people demanded it mostly. A town aligned player would use this active-ness to scum hunt and dig up cases on people, not lurk and read what other people are saying but not presenting any cases himself, but just sittin on the fence and using his defence of "oh i'm bad at recognizing scum"
Part 1: Early game tells:
Point 1: VERY early on admits he is bad at recognizing scum... This basically can be brought up again later to justify any votes on someone who he claimed was scummy but flips as town.
Point 2: Early on admits to having hosted a number of games elsewhere, but more importantly read through a few games here while waiting for his account to be validated... (Used this in response to a question regarding his bad scum reading)
Why is this relevent? He later asks (in seriousness) if we can no lynch.. If he'd read through a few games here he'd know that no lynch isn't a viable option. I don't know whether he's lying about having read through a few games here (he used that to answer a question about why is he bad at scum hunting) or whether his suggestion of a no lynch was to seem less scummy.. Either way it's a ludicrous request to make...
Point 3(IMPORTANT): In response to a question of what he would do as a cop at L-1:
Wraith wrote:2. Claim. If you die, you did nothing to help the town. You'll at least get the Doc to help you (there is a Doc in a game with a Cop) or force the scum to NK you.
Now, now, there's a doctor in the game???? SAYS WHO??? The only one who knows there's a doctor in the game (if there's a cop) is the mafia. It's been proven there is a roleblocker in the game because I was roleblocked last night. However, even if there's a cop in the game there's only a 50% chance there's a doctor. If there's both, there's a roleblocker for mafia, if there's only a cop, mafia have no roleblocker. This post implies Wraith KNOWS that there is a roleblocker in the game on day 1. Unless this was a HUGE slipup in wording, Wraith has to be scum.
Point 4: Said he would hammer me when asked, when it was well into day 1. Obviously, I don't think this is hugely important, but it is anti-town (just like my hammer was anti-town I know, no need to point out the hypocrisy in a lot of my accusations).
Everything Wraith seems to be doing is following the crowd. He follows the crowd in voting for me, then when 1 or 2 unvote he follows them in voting someone else.
Point 5: Wraith persists on questioning whether I claimed cop or not. As mafia you would want this clarified by me, so you know if I'm claiming cop or not. A small detail, but possibly scummy.
Point 6:
Wraith wrote:I do believe he and mallow are opposite alignments
Wraith was trying to push a mislynch on one of the two of u on day 1. He was trying to restrict the town to voting for one of us. When it was perfectly plausible that both of us were town. He justified this by saying, that mallow had attacked me and tried to bandwagon against me.. If anything if I turn town, that seemed to make him town as well for urging a mislynch not something a mafia would readily do (when there wasn't a real case against me just people not liking me for flaming them and being arrogant early!)
Point 7:
Wraith wrote:Ha, come to think of it, I might be wrong reading AGar as town based on the one post about No Lynch statistics. He may be scum trying to subtly lead us into a mislynch.
UGH What? Another stupid/meaningless post by wraith.. Of course we are going to lynch someone on day 1, agar pointing out that we have to lynch someone on day 1 is NOt scummy......
Point 8:
Wraith wrote:Speaking of misinterpretations, there's silver's comment on the earlier questions about the "extra vote hammer." Either you're not reading or you're digging for scumduggery, my bet's on the latter. Let's talk about that vote and that question. I initially voted DP because he was the scummiest player at the time. I said I would hammer if I had the extra vote because he was being a jerk at the time. I switched my vote because not only has DP stopped being a jerk (blatantly at least, he still jabs at people subtly, but don't we all?) but also because mallow has emerged as a scummier player. That answer your analysis?
Another example of his bandwagoning. You initially bandwagoned the vote on DP because I was the scummiest according to those leadin that bandwagon (mallow etc). You then switched your vote because a few other people had switched to mallow and he was now the scummiest according to those leading that bandwagon. Why did you not try to find any scum yourself at any point?
Point 9: I'll just use SB's arguement here:
silverbullet999 wrote:@Wraith
I have nothing useful to contribute at the moment, just maintaining my vote against mallow. I think Uite and NS make sound cases against him and further justify my suspicions.
It's always better to attempt to contribute something rather than nothing. Right now your just backing the arguments Uite and NS made, this gives you the perfect defense if their investigation ends up lynching him and he flips town. me no likie.
Part 2: His reaction to pressure
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Point 1: He get's very sensitive and defensive... Here's a "lolworthy" example:
Wraith wrote:@silver: Why wouldn't it? Would YOU appreciate being accused of being scum?
@Beefster: If I wasn't already voting for a scummier player I'd probably vote for DP, not only because he also seems scummy to me but also because he's accusing me of scum, probably in retaliation for voting for him earlier in the day.
Point 2(Important): You then go onto try to explain that I am voting for you ONLY as revenge for you voting for me earlier... Um if I wanted to get back at anyone it would be those who started the bandwagon on me mallow/quadz etc. (well i guess i did get back at mallow heh)... You just joined in the bandwagon.. THe fact YOU tried to justify someone else's vote and explain it makes no sense. Why are you explaining my vote? I'm the only one who can explain it, and let me tell you it's because you read like scum. You still read like scum. And you probably are Scum.
Point 3: Now Wraith gets a few votes I think and how does he react??? A long post of him "scum-hunting" ! Yay! NOT. He basically just attacks someone who is already prestented as a possible scum (mallow) and reiterates the arguements everyone has used. There is nothing pro-town about his long post. He has just made it to try get suspicion of him. The entire thing seems FAKE AND FORCED.
Wraith wrote:DavidParker: leaning pro-town, but he seems hell-bent on hunting for scum that aren't there
OH trust me, the Scum IS THERE.
Point 4: His idea of "scum-hunting" is seeing the obvious and showing the obvious to his comrades??? There's a quote somewhere for this.. He also admits to playing stupider than he actually is.. That is a COMMON scum ploy from so many games I've played in.. Oh I found the quote:
Wraith wrote:And to reply to one of DP's earlier comments: of course it's beneficial to me to play stupider than I actually am initially. Yeah, I still am not the best scumhunter, but my scumdar wasn't made in 1942. I can see the obvious, and I can show the obvious to my comrades.
Point 5: More of Wraith not dealing well with people voting for him...
Wraith wrote:I'm rather annoyed that the people who are voting for me are:
1. Ignoring major scumtells on mallow (early lynch, BW<<<<this just flashes red to me)
2. Insisting that my defense of myself is scummy. We're at the tipping point here, and apparently attempting to keep myself from getting killed is a scumtell.
3. Believing DP's case over mine. His entire case is based around the vague ambiguity that I am trying to blend in as town too much. I've pointed out several scumtells that mallow has slipped up with. The only case DP has against me is that I'm defending myself against lynch.
They can choose whose case to believe whenever they want...
Part 3: His scum buddy!
Alright, no real points to be made, but will quote some stuff possibly. As thor stated, there is an obvious scum buddy: Nobody_Special! Although, not entirely convinced it would be him if Wraith is scum, there is one post by NS to distance himself from Wraith, but that was around when Wraith was L-2..
His Random vote is for nobody special. Obvious not really a tell in any way or shape of form. But who knows, sometimes random votes start an early bandwagon that gets people to L-1, its happened in other games, and then usually that person doesnt even get lynched. Also, some early game discussion between the two regarding his avatar, not sure if there's any messages to be read in that!
Now the main reasoning to believe this scum-pairing: Well, for starters, all of Wraith's scum lists, show NS in a pro-town reading. But with no reasoning or justification behind it. He sometimes justifies other reads of his but never this one...
Wraith wrote:1. mallowgeno: scumdar shooting sparks
2. silverbullet: pro-town, scumhunter extraordinaire
3. quadz08: It's a toss-up, but doing that analysis (especially with mallow's vote against him) I'm inclined to think he was a townie who fell for buddying
4. Uite: pro-town, scumhunter
5. DavidParker: leaning pro-town, but he seems hell-bent on hunting for scum that aren't there
6. AGar: neutral. I think he needs to participate some more
7. Beefster: Leaning pro-town, need more posts to decide
8: NS: Leaning pro-town
Is also "careful" about it by saying leaning pro-town rather than the uite "protown scumhunter". The main thing bringing doubt to this pairing for me is when NS went "on the attacK 'against Wraith for a very brief time in day 1. I still forsee a possible quadz pairing with him.
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