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Oh yeah, andunvoteif it's needed.CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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Having read the first 7 pages, here are my current opinions:
Moses le Fou: Not very scummy, except for this post:
That was a while back, but I don't think he's done anything else that's scummy.Moses le fou wrote:Can we just lynch QuestionMark already? I think at this point we're at a crossroads and need the info gathered from a lynch. Let's give QM time to RC in case he's a doc or cop, but beyond that, it doesn't feel like anybody has anything new to say.
mrfixij: The buddying with SL is kind of suspicious, and post 148 seems like trying to cast suspicion on someone without actually having a valid reason for suspecting them.
Panamon: Bad logic. Period.
Mastin: Probably the question on everyone's mind is what I have to say about my predecessor's posts. I personally think he was just a newbie, and his posts fit with that. I don't think anything he's done can be construed as a scumtell or a towntell.
orangepenguin: Might be a scumbuddy with mrfixij. Otherwise not very scummy.
Everyone Else: Not particularly scummy.
Remember, this is just my thoughts 7 pages in. I still have 5 more pages to read. I'll do that tomorrow.
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WeatheredClown: (0/5)
Crysnia: (1/5) springlullaby,
mrfixij: (0/5)
Alduskkel: (1/5) WeatheredClown
Moses le fou: (2/5) Battle Mage, orangepenguin,
Scheherazade: (0/5)
Battle Mage: (2/5) Scheherazade, Moses le fou,
springlullaby: (0/5)
orangepenguin: (2/5) Crysnia, mrfixij,
Not Voting: (1/9) Alduskkel,
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch!
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EBWOP: To clarify, I feel this is scummy because it shows an eagerness to lynch without giving much of a chance for QM to respond. Every townie counts.Alduskkel wrote:Moses le Fou: Not very scummy, except for this post:
That was a while back, but I don't think he's done anything else that's scummy.Moses le fou wrote:Can we just lynch QuestionMark already? I think at this point we're at a crossroads and need the info gathered from a lynch. Let's give QM time to RC in case he's a doc or cop, but beyond that, it doesn't feel like anybody has anything new to say.
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Oops, I meant mrfixij & Spring Lullaby. Post 150, just so you know.CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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Give me a chance, I still have 5 more pages to read. Plenty of time to pick up on scumtells.Battle Mage wrote:So, thus far, you dont find ANYONE very scummy?CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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I've finally finished reading, and it took me like 5 hours... here's what I have to show for it.
With regards to the argument between BM & Moses, I'm not really sure what to think. On the one hand Moses hasn't had the soundest logic, and I think BM makes some valid points against him. On the other hand, BM does seem more logical but I find his constant joking and friendliness to be somewhat akin to buddying up to all of us. And Moses does make some valid points against him. I'm kind of torn between who to believe, I'd like to hear more from them.
In the meantime, I think Crysnia is the most suspicious. She had bad reasoning for voting for Panamon: That he didn't vote, merely FoS'd. I hardly see that as a scumtell. (This was Post 40)
In Post 118, she casts suspicious on mrfixij because he's being "too helpful." Not only is this a fallacy ("too townie to be town"), but it also means that she's trying to get rid of a player she admits is helpful! That hardly seems productive.
As noted in Post 230, she only brings up the possible pairing of SL and mrfix after they attack her.
I think Crysnia has been behaving quite scummily, soVote: Crysnia.
Also,FoS: mrfixijfor reasons also listed in 230.
In any case, I'm not really sure what your case on BM is, Moses. Could you explain to me what you're trying to say?
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Okay, but the remaining 2 reasons still warrant a vote.CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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First of all:Crysnia wrote:Then obvious you really haven't read the past 12 pages.
I want no more of this talk, Crysnia. I put in a ton of time for this game.I wrote:I've finally finished reading, and it took me like 5 hours.
In any case, I did look at your posts again with a closer eye, and I think your reasons for voting for Panamon are reasonably solid. So I guessunvotesince the remaining reason isn't good enough to warrant a vote.
Not really. You've pretty much only explained your vote for Panamon.Crysnia wrote:I've already addressed those two points.
I'm going to take a better look at Moses' accusations against BM and maybe I'll come to a firmer conclusion.CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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I've taken a close look at both BM and Moses' posts again, and there cases against each other, this is the conclusion I came to:
-Panamon bandwagoned on Mastin for no good reason except for a "scummy vibe."
Neutral, see below.
-Rule Breaking could be either a townie trying to hard to scumhunt or a scum trying to stir up chaos.
Neutral
There's this:
Buddying up? Maybe trying to get your scum buddy to help you out?Moses Le Fou wrote:Quick aside: Why isn't springlullaby backing me up on this? Didn't SL push on Schez basically because he has observed that he's only been tempted to break the rules when he's scum? Wasn't that the crux of SL's push against Schez?
+Scum to Moses Le Fou
Scummy statements like:
Oh yeah, I'm sure Moses doesn't believe his own arguments.Battle Mage wrote:You clearly dont even believe your own arguments.
+Scum to BM
And then there's this:
It was, in fact, acceptable at that stage in my opinion as it was still only page 2.Battle Mage wrote:Plus i think [Panamon's] reason was perfectly acceptable for a vote at this stage.
-Scum to BM
Overall I don't think Panamon himself has done anything scummy. But BM's response to accusations seems scummy.
To sum things up, BM has:
-Used Bad Logic, such as:
Not solely because of it, but also because Panamon's rule breaking too. And:Battle Mage wrote:You claim as part of the case against me that putting someone at L-2 is scummy, and yet you put me at L-2, SOLELY BECAUSE OF THIS.
Do you have any proof of this claim?Battle Mage wrote:Rulebreaking is not scummy. You can take this to just about any experienced player on site, and they will tell you the same thing.
-Cast suspicion on people without backing it up without evidence.
So, in conclusion, I don't think votes for Panamon were justified, but accusations against BM stirred up an interesting response which I think deserves a vote.Battle Mage wrote:Scheherazade is giving me bad vibes. Will carry on reading tomorrow probably.
Vote: Battle Mage
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That's a pretty good explanation, Moses. I see where you're coming from, even if I don't agree that L-2 is a particularly precarious place.
[impatient]Still waiting on BM; he's already posted in several other places just today. I wonder why he hasn't posted.[/impatient]CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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[impatient]O Battle Mage, Battle Mage! wherefore art thou Battle Mage?
-Spoken by Juliet (with slight modifications) in the playRomeo and Julietby Shakespeare
BM has been posting a lot in other places... possibly avoiding the game purposefully???
And if the rest of the players have anything new to say, then I'd like you to say it. Only 2 posts yesterday...[/impatient]CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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You seem awfully keen to get the day over with... possibly trying to get that nightkill ASAP? Maybe trying to cut off discussion?
FoS: Scheherazade
I think we at least owe it to BM to let him explain himself as best as he can. If the explanation doesn't satisfy us, then we lynch him, unless we find someone more scummy.
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WeatheredClown: (0/5)
Crysnia: (1/5) springlullaby,
mrfixij: (0/5)
Alduskkel: (1/5) WeatheredClown
Moses le fou: (2/5) Battle Mage, orangepenguin,
Scheherazade: (0/5)
Battle Mage: (3/5) Scheherazade, Moses le fou, Alduskkel,
springlullaby: (0/5)
orangepenguin: (2/5) Crysnia, mrfixij,
Not Voting: (0/9)
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Looks like you shotgunned my arguments.Unvote.
I've got both my eyes on you though, Battle Mage. Maybe even that seekrit third one I seekritly have. But you wouldn't know about that, it's a seekrit. And I'm definetly not telling you about my fourth eye... oh wait.[/b]CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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One thing though:
Well evidently in Moses' eyes it is a scumtell, thus to him he wasn't doing that solely because your predecessor put someone at L-2.Battle Mage wrote:
Which you acknowledged, as did i, was a null-tell.Alduskel wrote: To sum things up, BM has:
-Used Bad Logic, such as:
Not solely because of it, but also because Panamon's rule breaking too.Battle Mage wrote:You claim as part of the case against me that putting someone at L-2 is scummy, and yet you put me at L-2, SOLELY BECAUSE OF THIS.
In other words it may be a null-tell to us but it's a scum-tell to Moses, thus he was not doing it solely because of Panamon putting Mastin at L-2.CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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If I didn't see them, why do you expect Scheherazade to see them?Battle Mage wrote:
I find it very hard to believe that you didnt manage to spot the flaws in Alduskkel's case. Why did you not mention them at the time?Scheherazade wrote:Let's just lynch him, then, and see what happens.
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@mrfixij: What have I done to warrant your suspicions?
If I seem shallow with my vote, it's because my arguments keep getting shot down.
I'll post more tomorrow; I'm quite tired now and can't seem to compose a good post.CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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I guess I'll make a post anyway.
Here are where my suspicions lie (in no particular order):
Moses le fou. His original case on BM seems to hinge on two things.That Panamon encouraged rule breaking and that he put Mastin at L-2 for no real reason.
On the subject of the rule breaking, see this quote from me:
As for the bad vote, it was on Page 2. Can one expect a super great vote on Page 2? No. Furthermore L-2 is not a precarious position, as it's easy to unvote if you see the person hit L-1. 2 votes don't instantly happen.I wrote:Rule Breaking could be either a townie trying to hard to scumhunt or a scum trying to stir up chaos.
In other words, I think his original case on BM holds no water.
BM: See posts 333 and 336.
Crysnia: Wants to off a player she herself says is helpful. Counter productive, unless you're scum. (Post 118)CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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I was tired and forgot about you.Scheherazade wrote:@Alduskkel: What, I'm not suspicious any more? I'm hurt.
FoS: Scheherazadefor being too eager to lynch.
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Hmm, I looked at the first 2 pages again and I noticed that before Panamon voted for Mastin the Random Voting Stage was pretty much over.
@Moses: Why is Rule Breaking scummy? It could be a townie trying way too hard to scumhunt.
@BM:
Why do you expect Scheherazade to pick up these things when a fair amount of other people didn't either? Shouldn't you be accusing them too?Battle Mage wrote:
I find it very hard to believe that you didnt manage to spot the flaws in Alduskkel's case. Why did you not mention them at the time?Scheherazade wrote:Let's just lynch him, then, and see what happens.
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It's only fair that you should know that buddying up to me won't work.Battle Mage wrote:That said, it takes a very good player to be able to acknowledge so readily when they are wrong. Serious kudos to you.
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I'm considering voting for him again. But once again I will wait for him to respond. And I'd like to hear from Moses, too.CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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Possibly, but I consider it a nulltell.springlullaby wrote:Not that it was addressed to me, rulebreaking is a possible scumtell in my books because scum generally feel more under pressure to perform and prove that they are town.
What is the case on Crysnia?Spring Lullaby wrote:I feel really comfortable with my Crysnia vote and I think people should consider it.CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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Ouch man, I hope you get better.WeatheredClown wrote:sorry for my extended absence.. I got a flu shot.. but it gave me the flu.CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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I'd like these questions answered before BM is hammered.I wrote:@Moses: Why is Rule Breaking scummy? It could be a townie trying way too hard to scumhunt.I wrote:What is the case on Crysnia?CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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Does that mean if one of us is scum, the other isn't? Just wondering.mrfixij wrote:I am becoming increasingly confident that between BM and Ald, one is scum.CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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I'll be more firm once my questions are answered.WeatheredClown wrote:Honestly.. one of my strongest suspects is still Alduskkel.. who I admire for having put 5 hours into pouring through the thread (which resulted in a very long email) but then has had very little to say since then other than flinging about fingers of suspicion. What I would like to see is how we could start bringing the group to a consensus, but we all still seem entirely fragmented and unable to make progress.
I've also been suspicious of myfixitj off and on for the entire game, so I should perhaps be a little bit weary persuing votes for my two lead suspects (Alduskkel and BM) since those are also his.
Also, you don't have to disagree with mrfixij on everything. It's okay to agree with him on some things. If mrfixij said that cancer was bad would you disagree with him?CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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I see what you're saying.
Hmm, I'm going to look at the accusations on BM one more time and his defense and then I will come to a decision.CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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Hmm, doesn't this give you an excuse to stay out of the spotlight early on?orangepenguin wrote:From my perspective, I am not doing anything different. My meta is basically "quiet day 1 and 2, yet comes out full force late in the game", or something like that.CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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Well, admitting one is wrong doesn't exempt them from the fact they did something scummy. Otherwise if the scum ever did something scummy and someone called them on it and they just said they were wrong then and that they realize their mistake, and that they won't make it in the future, then scum would never be caught because they could always just say they were wrong then.
Or whatever.
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Huh? Where did I say WC was scummy? All I'm saying is that if you could explain away everything by saying you were wrong then scum would never be caught. Like so:Battle Mage wrote:
This post makes no sense. You still haven't explained why WC was scummy. You seem to be tying yourself up in knots.Alduskkel wrote:Well, admitting one is wrong doesn't exempt them from the fact they did something scummy. Otherwise if the scum ever did something scummy and someone called them on it and they just said they were wrong then and that they realize their mistake, and that they won't make it in the future, then scum would never be caught because they could always just say they were wrong then.
Or whatever.
I'll come to a conclusion soon. Within the day, I think, unless lightning strikes this game.FoS: Alduskkel
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That's a quote from Moses, fool.CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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What don't you understand?Battle Mage wrote:argh ffs!
I knew it was Moses when i made my original response. You responding for him has blown my mind. I don't understand why you felt the need to answer for him, or how your comments make any sense. 0.o
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And now, my decision.
First of all, Moses has said that Panamon was trying to stir up chaos by getting Scheherazade to break the rules. Only problem is that it wasn't against the rules at the time. Plus, we're not talking about some experienced player who knows that even though talking about ongoing games wasn't against the rules it still isn't cool. No, we're talking about someone with a grand total of 12 posts. I don't see how we can expect Panamon to know everything about how the game works. It's why he was in this newbie game in the first place-- to learn. I highly doubt Panamon was trying to get Scheherazade modkilled.
Second of all, I still don't think L-2 is a precarious place. 2 votes donotjust instantly pop up, and if you check the game as much as I do (and I check it several times a day) then if you see votes piling up too fast you can just unvote. Granted, a scummy vibe at that stage in the game (already out of the Random Voting Stage) isn't spectacular evidence. It isn't evidence at all. But, again, I'm not so sure Panamon knew better. Maybe Panamon just wanted to apply pressure to someone who he felt was acting scummy. I'm not Panamon though, so I don't know. But I can guess.
In conclusion, I'm going to side with BM on this one. I know I originally supported Moses, but I've changed my mind. I could also change it again. As such, I'd like Moses' response to this post. I think he should have considered his case a bit better and maybe looked at it through different points of view. So I guess I willVote: Moses le fou.CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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I suppose that all I really have done is shotgunned your argument, and the fact that you're wrong (in my eyes) doesn't make you scum... I mean if that did then I'd be scum for making a faulty case against BM.Unvote.
Here are some things that I noted earlier:
-WC rode the vibe of the town. He got caught, and apologized for doing it. Backtracking scum, maybe.
-orangepenguin is essentially giving an excuse to stay out of the spotlight early on. I, naturally, do not like that.
-Scheherazade seems eager to get to night.
-Crysnia accused mrfixij of being scummy because he's "too helpful." That's the fallacy of "too townie to be town," if you ask me.
-mrfixij might be linked with SL. See also: Post 230.
-SL might be linked with mrfixij
-I don't really understand Battle Mage's vote for Moses. Pretty OMGUSy, if you ask me.
-Moses le fou seems relatively pro-town at the moment, but I don't like his arguments against Panamon (now BM).
Do you have proof that Panamon is experienced? All evidence points towards that he isn't.Moses le fou wrote:I brought up the modkill as a best-case scenario for scum-Panamon. And while this is a newbie game, that doesn't mean that this is everybody's first game. It's simply more likely their first game on the site. I know that I've played a few times IRL as well as over a year on another site.
[inflation of ego]-Alduskkel is obviously the most pro-town player and should be worshipped like the God of Gods that He so obviously is.[/inflation of ego]
I think my main problem is that everyone (maybe even me) has done something or another that is kind of scummy, so it's kind of hard to decide on who to vote for.
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Hmmm, I retract my suspicions of OP and Crysnia. Crysnia for reasons I already stated in my brief argument with her, and OP because looking at his posts they actually seem content filled, if a bit infrequent. I think he has been contributing a reasonable amount to discussion.
I still want to hear how BM's vote on Moses is not OMGUS.
Looking at WC's posts, I'm not so sure that he has been riding the vibe of the town. He's given his own reasons for things. I find it interesting that he crumbled so easily. Also, care to tell us how you went from Post 319 to Post 355?CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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Yes.Scheherazade wrote:Now, why did you vote for Moses le fou? Were you confusing what you consider a poor argument for a scum tell?
Way to dodge the question without answering it, BM. Try to answer questions. Speaking of which, you have not addressed my question of how your vote for Moses was not OMGUS. I await that answer.Battle Mage wrote:
Ugh i really dislike this. Using your bs as a defence does not sit well with me.Moses le fou wrote:Now, I'm still not sure why you're voting me. You've only explained why you think my argument is wrong. I fail to see how being wrong makes me scummy?
To change the subject, I'm really curious as to WC's answer to these accusations:
And I find it interesting how BM's case on me solely consists of my wishywashiness. He hasn't noted anything other than that. Have I done anything else that's scummy? If not, you can hardly bring a case against me.I wrote:Looking at WC's posts, I'm not so sure that he has been riding the vibe of the town. He's given his own reasons for things. I find it interesting that he crumbled so easily. Also, care to tell us how you went from Post 319 to Post 355?CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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Way to dodge the question without answering it, BM. Try to answer questions. Speaking of which, you have not addressed my question of how your vote for Moses was not OMGUS. I await that answer.Battle Mage wrote:
Ugh i really dislike this. Using your bs as a defence does not sit well with me.Moses le fou wrote:Now, I'm still not sure why you're voting me. You've only explained why you think my argument is wrong. I fail to see how being wrong makes me scummy?
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(fixed the quote tags) How is that "freaking out"?Battle Mage wrote:Moses wrote:Battle Mage wrote:
lol.Moses le fou wrote: And great. . . now I'm at L-2. Honestly, I'd be more worried about getting lynched if it weren't for the feeling that all this conversation about L-2 should keep scum from jumping on. But still, I'm worried.
Alduskkel, I have to know: is this a pressure vote or are you voting so I get lynched?FoS: Moses le fouMaybe i was a little hasty to unvote you...
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You completely freaked out at being as L-2. Over-defensive.Moses le fou wrote:What's so funny?
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What?Battle Mage wrote:AtoE
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Explain again, please.I wrote:BM, even if Moses' case is faulty (which it is) how does that constitute a scumtell?CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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I didn't find it, but I guess that you mean that Moses is scummy because he is pursuing a bad case against you and won't admit that it's bad. Am I correct?CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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Hmm, how is this Appeal to Emotion? If I said something like "if you kill me, you'll just being getting one step closer to doom," or "you won't get anywhere by lynching me," then that would be appeal to emotion. All I was saying in that quote was that I didn't think you had enough evidence on me to constitute a vote.Battle Mage wrote:
AtoE. The case lies within-wishiwashiness to the extent of yours is a significant scumtell. Everything about you atm gives me bad vibes.Alduskkel wrote:And I find it interesting how BM's case on me solely consists of my wishywashiness. He hasn't noted anything other than that. Have I done anything else that's scummy? If not, you can hardly bring a case against me.CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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I don't see where you're getting this lack of confidence thing.Battle Mage wrote:You also use rhetorical question, which you then answer yourself. It isn't the most confident response.
As for talking in the third person, I would only be doing that if I started referring to myself as Alduskkel, whereas I have been referring to myself with terms such as "I,""myself," and "me."
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Errr, this is embarrassing. English is my first language. I just forgot about third person. >.>
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Wait, how is me talking in the third person scummy? I don't see how I'm "appealing" to other players.CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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On the argument between mrfixij and Crysnia:
First let me say that the basic core of Mafia is an Uninformed Majority vs. an Informed Minority. The town's goal is to become Informed as to who the scum are. The mafia's goal is to be in the majority. mrfixij is suggesting that if a town lynch yields more information than a scum lynch, it is better. Information is more important than a scum lynch. mrfixij isn't saying that a town lynch is always better than a scum lynch; he's merely saying that in some cases it is better.
I think Mastin was just a newbie. His posts reek of it, and this IS a newbie game. I'm not saying we should give everyone except the ICs a free pass because they're newbies, I'm just saying that Mastin seems more newbish than anything.Crysnia wrote:How do you feel about voting for Battle Mage or Alduskkel?
(both were subbed in for players that were acting like scum before they left)
But if you do think Mastin was acting scummy then please tell me why.
Also, Crysnia, don't get tunnel vision on me and BM. There are other available lynches, though I'm not yet decided on which to go with.
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I'd still like an answer to this, WC.Alduskkel wrote:Looking at WC's posts, I'm not so sure that he has been riding the vibe of the town. He's given his own reasons for things. I find it interesting that he crumbled so easily. Also, care to tell us how you went from Post 319 to Post 355?CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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I'd still like an answer to this, WC.Alduskkel wrote:Looking at WC's posts, I'm not so sure that he has been riding the vibe of the town. He's given his own reasons for things. I find it interesting that he crumbled so easily. Also, care to tell us how you went from Post 319 to Post 355?CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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vollkan wrote:WeatheredClown, Crysnia, Scheherazade, and orangepenguin have been prodded.
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Yeah I know... I've just had some bad experiences with deadlines lately.
One guy got lynched with 2 votes in a 17 player game (don't ask).
Another time we failed to lynch someone and then the scum got a free night kill. To add injury to injury, the night kill was me.
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I'm getting tired of waiting; its been 8 days since he last posted. Holidays only excuse one so far. If he (or his successor as it may be) can answer my accusations then I will withdraw my vote.
Again, here are my accusations:
The crumbling is a scumtell because that in itself is riding the vibe of the town; you're going with the flow. And posts 319 and 355 makes it seem like WC was opportunistically voting for BM. But I can't explain why WC later unvoted... BM would be a pretty good lynch for the scum if he's pro-town because they could just say, "Well, BM was acting suspicious to everyone so it's not a scumtell that I voted for him."I wrote:Looking at WC's posts, I'm not so sure that he has been riding the vibe of the town. He's given his own reasons for things. I find it interesting that he crumbled so easily. Also, care to tell us how you went from Post 319 to Post 355?
In any case, maybe my vote will get him to talk more.
I'm not sure how that post is going with the majority, BM. Inconsistent, yes, but if you mean he's being inconsistent by moving around his vote then I'm more guilty of that than anyone, most likely.Battle Mage wrote:
what happened to this ^ ??WeatheredClown wrote:
Ok... I'll admit to riding on the vibe of the town.Battle Mage wrote:
Now you see, this is the thing i am having trouble with. When i speak to you, i want YOUR opinion, not the opinion of the majority. The majority is bound to be affected by scum, whereas if you are town, your opinion is something we can work with. I really hate these generalisations, because it sounds like you aren't playing the game for yourself, and are instead riding on the vibe of the town.WeatheredClown wrote:
admittedly, I'm not as wordy as you guys are.. which is not to say that I don't participate to the conversation, and attempt to participate meaningfully. I do however tend to make posts surrounding other posts that I either agree with or disagree with and the posts should be read in the context of the posts around them.Battle Mage wrote:Just read through Weathered Clown's posts in isolation. Quite amusing really. The only negative comment he makes about either of my precursors is that "Panamon seems a bit shady" on page 1. He fails to elaborate any more, merely choosing to repeat that Panamon is his top suspect, and anyone replacing him will have a tough job on their hands.
Perhaps you might like to elaborate on why you are voting for me, or why you were suspicious of Panamon, because so far you've been remarkably quiet on this, for someone who casts an L-1 vote.
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Given that as my M.O., I wouldn't be surprised if a filter of just my posts would not be as useful as a reading of my posts as part of the larger conversation.
I do admit that I made my comment about an uphill battle based on the state of the game when your predecessor subbed in, rather than when you subbed in, because I felt like the overall impression by most players was that you were inheriting a scum role.
The votes seem to bear this out as continuing to be the prevailing sentiment.
I'm still interested to hear why you think Panamon was scummy enough for me to warrant being at -1 atm.
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Honestly.. one of my strongest suspects is still Alduskkel.. who I admire for having put 5 hours into pouring through the thread (which resulted in a very long email) but then has had very little to say since then other than flinging about fingers of suspicion. What I would like to see is how we could start bringing the group to a consensus, but we all still seem entirely fragmented and unable to make progress.
I've also been suspicious of myfixitj off and on for the entire game, so I should perhaps be a little bit weary persuing votes for my two lead suspects (Alduskkel and BM) since those are also his.
You have some serious inconsistency issues. You always end up back at the default point-going with the majority.
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I suppose that answers my accusations, WC.
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I'm not sure why people are voting for BM... is it because of what Panamon did or because of what BM has done?
If it is because of what Panamon did then I'd like to say that Panamon hasn't done anything scummy in my opinion. Supposedly, Panamon encouraged rule breaking to add chaos to the game; however the rule broken wasn't even a rule at the time. So that's a null tell. Also, Panamon voted for Mastin based on a scummy vibe, and some people say that isn't enough evidence to constitute a vote. But Panamon was about as newbie as you can get and can we expect a complete newbie to know what constitutes a good vote? I'm sure a lot of you know what makes a good vote now, but did you then?
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In Panamon's case, yes.Crysnia wrote:So in your defense of Panamon/BM, you are stating that voting for someone based on a scummy vibe is an acceptable thing?CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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Why? I was leaning more towards an anti-pairing of Moses and BM.mrfixij wrote:Let the record show that I hereby suggest an anti-pairing between BM and WC. If BM is town, WC is most likely scum, and vice-versa.CLICK HERE FOR THE ALDUSKKEL APPRECIATION PAGE
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Yeah, I've noticed that scum really like to bus in newbie games. Almost to the point that scum might look more pro-town by not bussing their partner. After all, what Mafia would be so obvious as to look connected to another Mafia?
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That post was directed at BM.
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WeatheredClown: (2/5) Battle Mage, mrfixij,
Crysnia: (1/5) springlullaby,
mrfixij: (0/5)
Alduskkel: (0/5)
Moses le fou: (0/5)
Scheherazade: (0/5)
Battle Mage: (3/5) Scheherazade, Moses le fou, WeatheredClown,
springlullaby: (0/5)
orangepenguin: (1/5) Crysnia,
Not Voting: (2/9) Alduskkel, orangepenguin,
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So are people voting for BM because of something Panamon has done or something BM has done/is doing.
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WC: Generally good reasoning, except in his latest post (which I will go into more detail soon). One thing though: when he said he had been using other people's summaries of the situations, I took his word for it. But I scanned over his posts again, and I don't think he's been doing that. So I'd have to say he crumbled a little too easy under BM's accusations. After all, crumbling is much easier than defending yourself and bringing yourself to the spotlight. Also, in his latest post he said:
That's ridiculous. We use logic to figure out, "Hmm, is such-and-such-an-action something a Mafia would do?WeatheredClown wrote:the first day isn't actually based on logic
Why is this bad? Accusations and logical fallacies are a key part of Mafia (the game, that is).WeatheredClown wrote:Looking back and just reading his posts it seems like everything he [mrfixij] says is about misuse of FoS or PBP or accusing people of OMGUS, scum pairs, or quoting every logical fallacy on the wiki.
I don't get how mrfixij is doing that. Could you quote some examples?WeatheredClown wrote:I feel like you're [mrfixij] using arguments that will be much more valid in a few days (and therefore look reasonable now) to sew confusion and disharmony.
This is pure WIFOM.WeatheredClown wrote:PS. i suspect mrfixitj (and have since early on) and he and battlemage are both voting for me.. I doubt scum would be so obvious as to vote together on one person.. therefore, under this hypothesis, battle mage would be innocent. We'll see how that plays out.
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And his vote on mrfixij was OMGUSy.mrfixij wrote:Consider this. WC claims to be riding the vibe of town. Riding the vibe. This indicates some kind of distancing from town, as if she is not a part of it, but instead trying to find what it is that town is collectively feeling and becoming part of it. I consider this to be a soft scumclaim. Especially with the slightly scummy exchange between WC and Crysania (another high-pri suspect of mine) and the momentum shift which became evident when WC voted for BM. In fact, I'm going to take the initiative and undo that momentum swing.
In conclusion, WeatheredClown has been avoiding the spotlight and (recently) been using bad logic. However, his earlier play was good. He's been acting pretty scummy though.
Crysnia: Bad logic, really. She said she is suspicious of mrfixij because he's too helpful... only Mafia should want to eliminate helpful players. And yes, I know, Crysnia has already defended this point, but it hasn't swayed me. I also don't like her unnecessary roleclaim in posts 313 and 343.
When she and mrfixij were arguing Crysnia twisted mrfixij's when she said that he said that it was better to lynch a Pro-Town person than a Mafia. And it is sometimes better to lynch a Pro-Town person if that gives tons of useful information, such as who the scum are. If lynching a Pro-Town person means figuring out who both scum are, so be it. If lynching a Mafia doesn't give any clues as to who the other is, then it isn't as good as lynching the Pro-Town person.
WIFOM, but generally scum prefer to hang in the background and tack on votes. On the other hand, a scum might pursue a townie rabidly for the sake of being able to say, "What scum would pursue a townie so hard? That would be just stupid." But this really is getting WIFOMy, so I'll cut that train of thought off.Crysnia wrote:But I do believe that the mislynch should result in the lynching of the person who pushed the hardest to lynch someone innocent.
I'm going to go ahead and suggest a minor anti-pairing between Crysnia and mrfixij. They've had some heated arguments, and I find it somewhat unlikely that they share the same alignment. But this isn't absolute; I'm just saying that it is fairly likely.
mrfixij: Good logic, though his case on Scheherazade was weak, as he admitted. I'm getting a town read.
orangepenguin: Other than the excuse to stay quiet early on, he seems like a good and logical player. More posts from him would be nice.
@mrfixij:
Why do you think this is so?mrfixij wrote:Let the record show that I hereby suggest an anti-pairing between BM and WC. If BM is town, WC is most likely scum, and vice-versa.
Mod, please prod Scheherazade (last post was 12 days ago, and though he said he was V/LA, even allowing that he should have posted 7 days ago) and SL (last post was 6 days ago). Optionally, please prod BM (last post was 2 days ago) and OP (last post was 3 days ago).
All that said...
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Regular FoS: Crysnia
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