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[SleepyKrew]

...
I could see scum jason making this play
But that would require jason to be scum
:/

[SleepyKrew]

I'm blocking jason tonight. I'll save you from dying trying to save me!

okay not really

OKAY NOT REALLY

[SleepyKrew]

Hey pieguy why did you 180 on Boon?
(Pretty sure you covered this somewhere already so a link is fine)

[SleepyKrew]

I don't recall town reading Boon recently? our Boon town read was primarily mastin's.

(on phone right now so can't talk in depth)

Weren't you saying you thought Boon/Mala was town/scum?

[SleepyKrew]

If STD was serious when he said he was going to block me...

THERES YER PROBLEM

[SleepyKrew]

so you thought STD and Thor were putting on some theatre for us D1?

[SleepyKrew]

You're explaining why you considered STD scum a possibility
You're not explaining why you decided that possibility was more likely than STD being town

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I'm just having a REALLY hard time believing that jason is this bad

[SleepyKrew]

Wouldn't it have made more sense for scum Jason to say that STD blocked him?

That would require us to believe that STD is an idiot

[SleepyKrew]

I did NOT consider STD scum until the flip of Bin as town with the no kill and claimed RB on someone town

You're explaining why you considered STD scum a possibility
You're not explaining why you decided that possibility was more likely than STD being town

[SleepyKrew]

Okay someone else point me to it please

[SleepyKrew]

Yup that still doesn't answer it ^_^

[SleepyKrew]

I ISO'd him less than 12 hours ago and I don't get it...

Maybe we're just dumb

[SleepyKrew]

gtfo

Am I missing something

[SleepyKrew]

It's kinda dumb to assume it didn't for no reason.

[SleepyKrew]

pieguy I'm incredibly disappointed in you

[SleepyKrew]

I disagree.

[SleepyKrew]

I disagree that Mala claiming to target me is a good reason to townread me.

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SK - You really are fucking dense... I am explaining why he is scum... but not why he isn't town? How the fuck does that even work. If I am saying why I thought he was scum, that surely explains why I thought he was not more likely to be town.

Yup, I'm the one that has trouble understanding English

Now that you've explained that you came up with your idiotic theory after the Bins flip (not gonna waste time explaining why it was idiotic), we go back to figuring out if you're idiot town or scum. And I really don't fucking know.

[SleepyKrew]

There are three different things I want to respond to in that post
But it'll just make you angry. sigh

Why'd you unvote?

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k

jason's town and we're not lynching him today

I want an explanation for this and for why I'm scum

[SleepyKrew]

actually no don't elaborate on why you're scumreading me

[SleepyKrew]

oh right jason has to be town because of balance
What's this about an unclaimed PR?
Anyway like I said earlier claiming to have been blocked would require us to believe that STD is an idiot but it's irrelevant because balance. I just want STD to know he's not an idiot.

[SleepyKrew]

dammit pieguy once again you have shown me the light

[SleepyKrew]

do you think Boon would play scum predictably or logically

[SleepyKrew]

White knighting and buddying are both things and they're both actual terms and they're different please don't try to be haughty and smart when actually you have no clue what you're talking about

[SleepyKrew]

Then leave the site

[SleepyKrew]

Hi Zach why did that swap happen?

[SleepyKrew]

STD did not block you please stop

[SleepyKrew]

So Zach what are your reads?

[SleepyKrew]

How does Boon scum not push for a Jason mislynch here?

do you think Boon would play scum predictably or logically

[SleepyKrew]

Still think you're town because setup spec
I can see that jason was getting frustrated so I don't think you're lying about why the swap happened.

[SleepyKrew]

Zach, so you swapped in to defend yourself better than Jason was? It seems like a survivalistic move to me.

HOLY SHIT
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Egg

[SleepyKrew]

P sure safeclaims are explicitly non-Normal.

That Egg post is terrible and opportunistic and scummy and awful. I'll explain later today/tomorrow.

[SleepyKrew]

Oh Tammy can explain instead. That'd be best for everyone.

[SleepyKrew]

Get your uncooked raw egg words out of my mouth

[SleepyKrew]

Okay let me know when you address my point (which I've barely even made) instead of whatever it is you're pretending to think I said.

[SleepyKrew]

What was wrong with that post?

[SleepyKrew]

Yes I have been and am continuing to refuse to explain; that's definitely what's happening.

Rest of that paragraph is lol too; don't pretend you haven't been reading all of a sudden.

TWO SEMICOLONS
today was a good day

[SleepyKrew]

I haven't answered yet!

[SleepyKrew]

Why not?

Busy and/or lazy. Pick one.

[SleepyKrew]

I pick lazy

You don't know my life

[SleepyKrew]

You picked wrong

[SleepyKrew]

Do you plan on answering? It takes the same effort as your last few posts.

Nah man I wanna actually put thought into it and type it out on my laptop instead of just spew words from my phone

(not that spewing words from my phone isn't fun)

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I'm being a bit spiteful but I'm also super fucking tired

[SleepyKrew]

I do not feel well.

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I really hope I don't have to explain why I did each and every one of those things as town
Some of them should be really obvious and I'm kinda annoyed that pie isn't (visibly) considering them and it's rubbing me the wrong way but like, pie

cannot

be scum.

[SleepyKrew]

I will return today.

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UNVOTE:
ugh
need to process

[SleepyKrew]

3 days
Alright
Today will be gear-kicking day

[SleepyKrew]

wtf zach

[SleepyKrew]

how the fuck should I know
I'll give you my best shitty guess later today though

[SleepyKrew]

Uggghhhh I fell asleep unexpectedly yesterday
TODAY
I SWEAR ON QUILFORD'S EVER BEATING HEART

[SleepyKrew]

so if I start talking, will you unvote, TH? lmao rofl xD
like I said I was gonna and it's not even late yet and we've still got 38 hours
Am I remembering wrong or did someone vote me as a deadline compromise back when we still had over 3 days
good times

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jesus christ man are you not reading my words

[SleepyKrew]

If someone claims a power role today we're fucking lynching them

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oh hey real quick because I'm not sure if I'm going to still push Egg or not (gotta weigh my mislynches yknow?)
the opportunism thing was because you took a development and jumped on it as an added reason to call Zach's slot scum without thinking about why it could also be town
I guess that's confbias too but I mean you did it as soon as the development developed (iirc the development was Zach explaining the swap)

[SleepyKrew]

Looking back at D1 I regain confidence that sthar is not scum (interactions with Thor)

[SleepyKrew]

Egg
Delta
Boon

One of you three
I'm willing to risk the game on the others being town.

PEDIT: I can understand why jason town would get more frustrated and emotional than if he was just lying scum.

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all these townies running around and pushing me

one or two players

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I'm not in jason's head. I don't know how he thinks. So whatever, the swap is null and not town. Unless you can give an actual good reason for why it's scummy? Not a reason it

could

be scummy, but a reason why it could be scummy and why that possibility is more likely.
While you're at it, explain why town would only have one power role.

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It was survivalistic as fuck.

How is switching Zach in supposed to help the slot survive

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Fair... Still though. I don't get where the frustration comes from as town.

"I thought I made a good move"
"Fuck it didn't work out"
"Fuck they think I'm dumb"
"Fuck they think I'm scum"

You really don't see how that could be frustrating after doing what you think is the right move and thinking you solved the game overnight?

[SleepyKrew]

Someone tell me if the following statement is false:
The Mala wagon was stalling until Egg joined.

[SleepyKrew]

Yup leaning Egg town
Nothing would make me happier than the Boon/Mala obv buddy interactions actually being obvious buddy interactions.

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The yup above was not in answer to me previous question. I'd still like someone else to weigh in on that.

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I'm not even sure if I want to figure out which of Delta/Boon to call the last scum. Can we just lynch them both?

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stfu pie my switch to thor was townie as hell
(don't actually stfu but it'd be great if you voted Not Me)

PEDIT: lol @ comparing me to Nacho
I could maybe understand that being a viable scum strategy at LYLO. This is not LYLO.

[SleepyKrew]

Also to say that my lurking has been part of a scum strategy is to implicitly say that I've been lying about being busy and not feeling well
fuck you

[SleepyKrew]

Yeah I shirked my duties as Title Fairy for a few days just so I could have an alibi for when I got called out for lurking in this game

[SleepyKrew]

I'm legitimately angry.

[SleepyKrew]

VOTE: Boonskies

fuck the police

[SleepyKrew]

I wish I could actually be good at reading people
Then I could develop a certain swagger to the way I present reads and votes that'd just make people trust me
And then SleepyKrew-led lynches would flip scum 70% of the time
And I could be confident as town! Good god I want to be confident.

[SleepyKrew]

I'm typing a lot of words here because I'm incredibly pissed off at pieguy rn but I don't want to directly rage at her
and hopefully this just lets me cool off a bit

[SleepyKrew]

back in the 90s I was in a very famous teeeeeeeeeeeveeeee show

[SleepyKrew]

Your scumread on me comes from shit.

[SleepyKrew]

If we lose this game I swear to god

[SleepyKrew]

I'll make my avatar a butt

[SleepyKrew]

don't hold me to that
avatar bets are illegal

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You're at least somewhat familiar with my scum meta right?

Someone tell me if the following statement is false:
The Mala wagon was stalling until Egg joined.

Would I have made this post as scum? Absolutely not (though obviously now that I noticed that gap in my scumgame, I'm gonna try to fill it). I'd be appealing to emotion and calling everyone scummy instead of trying to DECREASE my mislynch pool. Hell, I'd probably even call you scummy and try to dismantle your case. I would've started fighting you tooth and nail from the instant you called me scum. There's no way in hell I just randomly remembered that Mala's wagon was stuck at 3 votes for a few VCs before Egg voted her. And there's no way in hell I would've actually gone back and checked that and brought it up if I was scum in this situation. I don't do that kind of legwork as scum.

This is probably the most self-meta I've ever done and I hope I never have to do it again.

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I'm turning off my laptop now. I'll be checking in on my phone until I pass out.
PS I probably wouldn't have stayed up tonight as scum either.

[SleepyKrew]

I'm trying to respond to pieguy but my fingers are just typing gibberish
and yeah TH, I'm a VT

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-your town read on Egg came after it became obvious I wasn't letting Egg get lynched today. before that, you were perfectly fine with lynching him. just like how you were soft pushing for jason until it became obvious he wasn't getting lynched, either. I don't really see you legitimately trying to reduce the lynch pool here - you're only eliminating people after it becomes obvious they won't get lynched

okay whatever I wasn't here for a chunk of the day so I wasn't here for when you declared Egg town (or maybe I was and just didn't care idk)
Does that make the reason I did it for less real? Do you think I'd actually try to find that solid of a reason to townread Egg instead of just sheeping someone?

-furthermore, you appear to be scum reading Boon now. you've now called jason, Egg, and Boon scum in this day phase, as well as DW. where in here are you trying to reduce the lynch pool or otherwise not calling everyone scummy?

the part where I'm reducing the lynchpool is when I come into today going "these are the three people I'd consider lynching" and by the end of the day it's "these are people I'd consider lynching look at how much smaller the number of people is"
I could very easily have put up resistance to jason townreads from setup spec. I didn't. I found my own reason to townread Egg.

(I'm saying I'd bet the game on all of {you, Zach, DW} being town and that it doesn't matter who specifically we lynch if we get one more town read and can all agree on said town reads, since there's only 3 people left. this is different from trying to spread suspicion around on multiple people at the same time)

HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I'M DOING

you still took me arguing with sthar and did this whole "fuck you for scum reading me for lurking" in response to it. how the fuck is that not ATE? it actually reminded me a lot of what Mala did when I was pushing her - cherry pick one thing and start ATE'ing in response to it so that people read you as town

am I scum ATEing or am I TOWN THAT IS ACTUALLY MAD?
you're confbiasing so fucking hard here
Why on earth would someone get mad about being implicitly accused of lying about business and health, in more than just this thread too, so they could get away with lurking?
I'm mad at your other reasons for scumreading me because they're wrong. I'm furious about this one because IT'S OUT OF GAME BULLSHIT

I also don't really think you're incapable of rereading the thread to get fake reads as scum (and I don't think this is strictly true, either; I remember it looked like you reread on at least one occasion in Quickness). so, meh.

hahahaha I highly doubt I reread anything in Quickness
but you know what I definitely wouldn't have thought to do as scum? Go through and color code past VCs for flipped players and then again for flipped players + my townreads. Not without posting it in the thread so get some credit for it. But that's what I did and that's how I got my Egg townread

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I hope that's comprehensible
Also damn my scumgame's gonna improve loads after this game if I remember this shit

[SleepyKrew]

PREEMPTIVE STRIKE:
No I did not save my best scumgame for Team Mafia. If I had noticed any of this stuff before this game, I would've used it at the first possible opportunity as scum. I've just never thought about my own meta this much.

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I'd also be antagonizing TH and Zach more as scum probably
eww god never let me self-meta again please

oh right btw EGG
I can never remember what a toxx clause is.

[SleepyKrew]

I'm hanging out with two people from Gestalt, a Captain, an Indecider, and maaaaaybe a TM mod tonight. Hopefully someone drunkenly spills ^_^

(this is a JOKE)

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I'd also be antagonizing TH and Zach more as scum probably
eww god never let me self-meta again please

oh right btw EGG
I can never remember what a toxx clause is.

"If I'm scum, I'll X". It's a form of trust tells.

Except it's entirely up to you whether you want to believe me or not? I could be lying about my scum meta, or I could be scum but subverting it. This is nowhere close to a trust tell.

@pie I see you but I probably won't respond for a long time

[SleepyKrew]

This game
happened

I had fun while I was here and I'm disappointed in myself I didn't put in a good enough effort to stick around.
Thanks for modding, Nexus!