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No, I'm obviously planning to never read them at all. Is this a serious question, in which you're seriously attempting to portray this as a scumtell? (Even assuming that I hadn't got home at close to midnight.)
p-edit: actually, there's a reason I said my team asked for it. Just curious--is the little backhanded implication that it's oh-so-suspicious that I haven't read her games intentional? Because if it is, it seems like you're missing an epiphany that should be very, very obvious here.-
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Regfan reads ETL as town for her tone and attitude inthisgame right now, but not at all because of the meta. He finds her really different in those games, since her reads are better reasoned and easier to follow. There, she went through the thought process behind reads shifts, rather than doing random 180s like she does on serra.
Zar said earlier that he thought she was playing similarly to one of the games (where she was lynched--it involved Antihero somehow, and I'll get back to you on the specific game later).-
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I actually was asking people about their reads on ETL for a very specific reason. If anything, I think she's had a few towntells recently (although the story of my life with ETL this game seems to be cycling between "That post is so town! She'd never fake that!" and "That post is so scum! She could have definitely faked all the town stuff earlier!"). I'm still waffling between BPC and JF right now.-
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The thing is, I'm not really comfortable with JF and BPC, the only two lynch targets with even the slightest bit of momentum behind them, being both scum, particularly given that was what happened on D1 (and given there was almost no BPC suspicion yesterday, before he became lynchable). And I can see little things in their defence. As a result, I've been spending the bulk of my time trying to be 100% sure of the players I think are town and sorting people on the fringes so I can feel better about my picture of the game.
p-edit: What was the point of that question? (Not really, but Quilford wanted answers, so...sure?)-
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Oh, "they" = my teammates. They both have you as town but have grown unsure lately. (Regfan agreed with what I pointed out about blaming your read of me on Patrick, and Zar had you as really really town but lost confidence in it--he didn't like your JF unvote, I think, although it seemed to be for partnership-related reasons?). Zar didn't seem to have very much confidence, though (since he mislynched you in Westeros 107).-
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...was that in reaction to Patrick's most recent post?
(This is a serious, non-snarky question.)
Off the top of my head, it would mean ETL jumped on Patrick after Mara did as senseless distancing, knowing it was safe since people wouldn't follow her on the vote. It's...weird, but some people do shit like that as scum, and would fit with her dropping her Patrick suspicions completely today. I don't remember anything else for or against them being partners, because I wasn't looking out for it.-
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In post 1257, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Not willing to risk a counter claim right now
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If you don't give a clear answer in your next post, we're autolynching you.
Also:
In post 1207, JohnnyFarrar wrote:In post 1201, Mina wrote:JF, did you see any tells from ETL that indicate towniness? Which particular tells indicate scumminess rather than just confusing you (forgive me if you've mentioned some in your catchup).
Can't think if any right now, too late and lazy to think about it. Ask me again tomorrow
It's tomorrow.
(I'm going back to sleep. Urghhhhh. I'll see if my sanity is restored in the morning. Quilford, which two games?)-
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Why did those links made you feel good about Patrick? I clicked on the 2014 UK link first (not knowing the other link was the Scumdon game), and skimmed thinking that was going to be thetowngame until I got to the end. AAAAAAAH! Where did I get the impression I can read Patrick? ;____________________;
(I'll put as a disclaimer that Regfan also thinks that there are differences--maybe I'm just really awful at Mafia, because I didn't notice any of the stuff he did upon my skim--and that Fenchurch's ETL read is not faked, but I'd like to hear what you come up with as well.)
Quilford, you should go to bed and set your alarm for like a few hours before the lynch. I'll be around at deadline, so we can wait for you to come back before ending it. But if Johnny doesn't clarify his claim before the deadline, we lynch Johnny. That shit won't stand.-
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Apparently, it hasn't been taken.
*where I'd dramatically vote you if ETL still hadn't checked in*
There were like 3-4 people who could get away with softclaims and maybe be believed. You're not one of them. You don't get to give yourself ANY wiggle room to come out and go, "Hey, guys, I'm totally the real watcher" in LYLO.-
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In post 1296, Patrick wrote:Where's your head at Mina?
That I want to cry.
And I hated JF's not-counterclaim (although he didn't go anywhere with it, so...uh), but I can't even be sure of my motives because I'm thrilled for any excuse to believe at least one of my suspicions was right.
Also, I think you have a very real chance of being scum right now.-
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In post 1305, Patrick wrote:Mina wrote:Also, I think you have a very real chance of being scum right now.
I'm not some kind of unreadable machine.
It's not just "well, HE COULD BE SCUM, NO ONE KNOWS!"
I'm aware this sounds extremely crazy, and I should probably preface this (mostly for the sake of Quilford's sanity) by saying I have the support of...um, exactly zero members of my team on this right now. Which I probably shouldn't admit since this dilutes all the pressure, but still, FUCK MY TEAMMATES, THEY SMELL BAD. But saying this out loud probably doesn't hurt. I feel as though every step of the way, you've been the voice of "let's not think about this alternate theory, let's stick to the track even when things don't perfectly fit." And your posts are very reasonable, but have been kind of milquetoast in tone today, and generally don't say anything too controversial or far from the beaten track. And I'm worried, because I recognize that in my own scum play to an extent, in that I can fake having "good" (meaning saying the same stuff other people are seeing, regardless of accuracy) reads, but often, the lynch options are all weaker players who show flashes of towniness, and I won't entertain the option of the "generic" protown player being scum. "Boy, uh, this game is really hard! Oh, well. Let's just vote this easy target anyway. I'm sure he's definitely scum!" In particular, the most recent post I asked Molla about gave me those vibes really, really strongly. The opinions on it were all pretty conventional, and I can't pin anything concrete on it, but felt almost like you were glossing over the reasoning and just going immediately back to the conventional suspects.
I'm not sure who can be Johnny's partner, because literally everyone attacks him at some point, and now he and ETL are at each other's throats way too hard now. I just feel like it's a repeat of Alch, but I have no courage to vote anyone else, so...blah. I want to crawl under a rock.
I also don't like how your opinions on BPC and on BBmolla sort of followed the crowd and you backed away from pretty strong town reads on them (e.g., it feels like you downplayed how much you liked BPC on D1 when the tide turned against him on D2--yes, I know his D2 posting was pretty scummy). The thing is, I know I personally could fake stuff like annoyance at a town player claiming tracker really easily. 311 which we loved I realized is mostly related to emotions experienced as town indifferentgames. And it's not all that hard for a competent scum player to fake convincing scum reads on players everyone else suspects.
Patrick, what other reads does Fenchurch have this game?-
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In post 1318, BBmolla wrote:I'm a sucker for etls "lynch me" stuff cause I'm in the same place
I was waiting for one person to point this out...
...except it doesn't actually make any sense coming from your position in the game, especially since you know it's a null tell for you.
Why the fuck wouldn't you care, especially if 1) your top suspect is the alternate lynch, and 2) you think Quilford has a chance of being scum, meaning lynching you loses the game?-
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Okay, um, I ISO'd Molla and Patrick together. They don't interact much, except for Molla raging at ETL for joining Patrick's wagon. Patrick's thought process does look really town at points of D1. So I'm only KIND of having a breakdown, not COMPLETLEY having one.
Didn't ISO ETL/Johnny, because I'm late, but Molla probably works better as a partner to serra/Johnny, except Johnny's side about attacking his play and not wanting him in LYLO feels more opportunistic scum attacking town than scumbuddy distancing. Molla and ETL seem to be at each other's throats a lot.
I haven't picked up on any of those little tells I did with BPC, sadly.
I should have left for my grandmother's over an hour ago. Fuck. So this post is kind of incoherent.
Where is Brian Skies, anyway?
Patrick, what's CES's read on Molla, given he correctly suspected him in Westeros 108? Did Fenchurch mention Quilford at all?-
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I mean, ask CES about the game where he quickhammered a cop who'd softclaimed VT earlier, so anything's possible...
(Pretty pissed off at ETL if she's town right now even if she's a VT for not checking in, since it might be what costs us the game.)
I wish Molla didn't look so scummy right now.
Can someone who can ISO tell me whether Molla/JF or Molla/ETL is more likely?-
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In post 1360, Patrick wrote:Was the concern about lynching Johnny without an ETL check-in that ETL might then claim watcher tomorrow?
ETL apparently being online but not posting doesn't look good, though I'm not sure what the benefit would be as scum, given that she could use her vote to try and save herself.
Yep, and it's also bad because we need to know 100% that Brian is the watcher, and she didn't react to his claim.-
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In post 1388, Patrick wrote:And now ETL shows up on the online list. What the actual fuck
...okay, I'm a fucking moron.
Well, I'm pretty sure it's Molla-ETL if it's not JF.-
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V/LA until Saturday
I'm ridiculously swamped, and it's now become chronologically impossible to finish even 10% of what I need to do in time because I wasted my days off. So...if you see me posting in this game, please tell me to stop andhide in my closetdo shit instead. I should probably have said V/LA for like a week, to be honest.-
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<V/LA breaking>
In post 1473, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:However, that does tell me that his partner is definitely on the wagon.
Why can't it be BBmolla? (He was on your wagon by the end.)
Also, what will it take for me to convince you that Quilford is town? (I'm not sure it's necessary to sway you in order to win the game, but it's worth a try if it means this will be over more quickly and with fewer arguments.)
p-edit: Actually, ETL, it was the opposite: we were GOING to lynch you because you hadn't claimed (better you be lynched and flip watcher, damning Brian Skies, than you not show up and counterclaim Brian Skies and LYLO).
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Do you have a strong reason for believing the scum would be on JF's wagon in particular (other than Quilford being scum)? I'd thought that was your point.
Also, can you summarize why your teammates think Quilford is scum?
p-edit: It's backwards. Once we figured out you weren't the watcher if town, we realized we could just lynch whichever of you or Johnny was scummier regardless of whether you checked in. Because even if we mislynched JF, no one would believe a counterclaim from you the next day.-
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In post 1479, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:p-edit: I suppose it could be. I'm having a hard time feeling that over quil.
Do you still have a townread on Molla?-
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