Newbie 615: Game over!

[Natirasha]

Vote: Natirasha

Yes, I just put myself on L-1.

[Natirasha]

Vote: Natirasha

[Natirasha]

Um. Can I just ask WTF? Are we REALLY at L-1? Can any of you speak as to why the heck we are at L-1?

Because I believe tradition trumps safety.

[Natirasha]

Um. Can I just ask WTF? Are we REALLY at L-1? Can any of you speak as to why the heck we are at L-1?

Because I believe tradition trumps safety.

Yes, because all newbie games have to begin with someone at L-1, on the first page(!)

No, because I vote myself day one. You haven't seen my wiki, have you?

[Natirasha]

Because. I pride myself on doing that.

unvote

, by the way.

[Natirasha]

Would you have hammered yourself if you had been on L-1?

Yes.

[Natirasha]

I'm willing to accept that you pride yourself on being "anti-town" and that doesn't necessarily mean you're scum in any given game, but why?

Because it makes me a much harder player to get a good read on, and I like player eccentrically. It's fun.

Why do you make a point to go against what people generally consider to be good townie play?

Because I don't like how everyone expects a townie to play exactly that way. I like acting and generally going against what is considered normal.

Is it because you think the common wisdom is wrong on what constitutes good townie play? If so, how?

No, I'm just a rebel. The common belief is correct, but I have yet to see a reason to use it.

Do you have some elaborate scheme by which your bizarre behavior is supposed to elicit scumtells?

No, although I have found that acting this way does drag the most attention from scum. They think I'm an easy target not realized that no sane scum would act as scummy as I do.

Do you just like the attention and screwing with people?

This is exactly it.

Are you trying to establish a persona that gives you cover for those times when you are scum?

This is an auxillary reason.

And if it's one of the last two why shouldn't we just lynch you now, since you have higher priorities than actually helping the town lynch scum and win this game?

No, I help lynch scum and want to win, I just take a much more Jester-ish approach to it. Plus...

[Natirasha]

Would you have hammered yourself if you had been on L-1?

Yes.

Do I have to explain why that would be bad for your chances of winning, regardless of your alignement?

No, but as a counter-argument: Jester.

[Natirasha]

I just want to say that Natirasha's actions, regardless of alignment, are ridiculous in the scope of a newbie game and isn't helping to teach newbies at all. Are you supposed to be an IC in this game?

I am not an IC for this game.

Don't worry, my IC games will be much more...mediocre, but as I'm not ICing right now...

[Natirasha]

Well...I will when I IC, which will be every game after this one.

[Natirasha]

unvote

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[Natirasha]

vote: Reidra

. Why am I voting the player who defended me?

Alright, confirming that I got my role PM and I'm good to go.

I've been reading over the thread while waiting for my role PM, and here are my baseline thoughts on

Natirasha

, who seems to have decided to make himself the star of the thread:

Why shouldn't I? I moved us out of the random stage quickly.

Someone who plays anti-town is never really going to be good for town, no matter what their alignment is -- scum, town, or (in other games) third-party. I feel like it goes entirely against the spirit of the game

To quote myself, "It's really just a facade. Winning the normal way seems hollow to me, so I do this to make the winning more fun."

, and I'm really not fond of it whatsoever. If he ends up being lined up as the most likely lynch candidate, I wouldn't have any qualms with that at all, because his playstyle will only hurt us in the long run.

If people ever look at other games where I am town, they would see that day two I do come a bit down-to-earth, and do help out. In fact, I found I am a rather good scumhunter, since scum are attracted to me like flies. And before you ask, I can tell the difference between people logically voting for me and scum voting for me.

That said

, I'm pretty sure Nati is town, just crazy town.

Breadcrumb+you want to lynch town?

I get that "too scummy for scum" vibe off his posts.

WIFOM.

I doubt scum would draw as much attention to themselves as he has, though his defense of "it's what I always do" and admitting that he's used it as a cover-up while playing as scum in the past does strike me as worrying.

Fair enough.

But having seen people lynched D1 for simple reason of eccentric/bad townie play, and nearly every single one of them flipping town...

...yeah.

Actually, this is the case a lot.

Personally, I feel like the people who are pushing hard for a Natirasha lynch should be looked into more -- if Natirasha is town and acting like Scummy McScum, it'd be an easy way for the real scum to get a townie lynch.

Quite true, but scum is almost always on my bandwagon. It really narrows down the candidates.

Since pretty much all discussion so far has centered on Nati though, I don't have much else to add or a real case to make yet. I'm just throwing my thoughts out here, since I'm joining late and I have them.

Hi gaiz~

I'd think that Yellowbounder has posted enough to get up some sort of opinion.

Also, Reidra hasn't posted in a while.

[Natirasha]

MichaelSableheart makes me laugh.

I strongly disagree with you there. Take a look at post #11, #13, the first part of #19, and my reply to yellowbounder in #26. Even before you started acting like a complete idiot "because you always do", we were having a discussion that was taking us out of the random voting stage. Your actions smothered that discussion, and instead focussed the discussion on what is essentially a null tell, but one which draws votes from all players. In other words, a discussion that is much less likely to generate usefull information.

Meh.

Except in the case of an SK or some neutral roles, mafia is a team game. When you are making it more difficult for yourself to win, you're hurting not only yourself, but your entire team.

Meh.

If you're such a good scumhunter, use those powers day 1. Scum can be caught on day 1 too, so there is no reason whatsoever to wait.

I have. If you look, I have singled out Reidra.

First of all, don't point breadcrumbs out in thread! Breadcrumbing is done when a player wants to make information available, but not known. They want to keep it secret for now. Pointing them out completely works against their purpose.

Scum can breadcrumb, too.

Secondly, breadcrumb of what? The game has a daystart, remember?

Scum know who town are. He is breadcrumbing he knows town. Hence, he is scum.

Third. DON'T FISH. Speculation on power roles only helps scum finding them.

Where at all did I fish?

Point 1 is WIFOM exactly because point 2 is WIFOM. Calling one WIFOM, but agreeing with the other is total madness.

No, there is a difference between "logic" and "WIFOM". The first is WIFOM, the second is logic.

[Natirasha]

Why would scum breadcrumb that they know who the town are? Breadcrumbing, as I believe, is the purposeful leaving of clues to later clear, or identify yourself.

Scum bread crumbing at this Day would not be very good for them, or indeed very good for them at all. Ever.

I don't understand.

Absalutely don't.
Maybe you're crazy.

Something's not right.
Circumspect of what you belive it is
Unknown, really.
Magic ponies!

Newb scum/bad scum can accidentally breadcrumb. And not all breadcrumbing is like that.

[Natirasha]

unvote, vote: DuckOfDeath

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Look, you really want someone dead. It's the sixth page, we don't need them dead on this page. Anyways, I can't counter my meta--although, it is my meta and I wrote my wiki, so....

[Natirasha]

I was willing to give vendetta the benefit of the doubt for being newby, but post 149 I don't like.

people you are playing so so so wrong.

Um...no.

sad, there is some scum trying to lynch me instead of lynching anti town; but there is some very confused townie doing so.

You are being scummy, and for the record, anti-town=/=scummy. I'm a living example of this.

Is not about how good the scum is playing, is about how such a bad bad players are in the town side. Man....

So, you've pretty much stopped defending yourself and just insult the other players? Not a good way to avoid being lynched.

Vote: Vendetta

L-1.

[Natirasha]

massive: you are either scum or clueless. No offense.

we have not scum discovered yet. i proposed to lynch someone we KNOW will do his best to sink the town. He openly confimed that.
But you prefer to go after the shadows of some hypothetical scummy actions/positions... from me!?!?!??!!?.

As i see you are having such a hard time understanding such a simple concept, i will explain it again. One last time, then go ahead, lynch me, better to die than stay among such an illogical company. -ain't talking about you, but about you all-

IF HE IS GOING TO PLAY AGAINST THE TOWN, I RATHER WANT HIM DEAD THAN TO KILL SOME GUY I AM NOT CONSISTENTLY SUSPICIOUS ABOUT.

IF NAT IS EVEN THE DOCTOR? HE WILL CURE NO ONE, CAUSE HE PLAYS ANTI TOWN. IF HE IS THE POLICE? HE WILL GIVE US WRONG REPORTS ON WHO TO LYNCH, WHICH IS THE PERFECT WAY TO LOSE THE GAME. SO I WANT TO LYNCH HIM, SO WHATEVER THING HE IS, HE WILL MAKE US NO HARM.

IF YOU KNOW ABOUT SOMEONE BEING SCUM, THAN SHARE THE INFORMATION AND I WILL VOTE THAT OTHER ONE. MEANWHILE, I STAY PUT ON KICKING FROM THE GAME THOSE WHO TRY TO RUIN IT.

in fact i don't even understand why in the learning process beggining they put such a player, that makes no rational decisions and is decided to go against his role -eventually-. I guess is for learning an obvious lesson, that you will learn through my lynching. Not funny for me, though.

Now you all go and lynch me. Go show the world what a sharp bunch of minds you are.

PROTIP: READ OTHER GAMES! MY ANTI-TOWN IS A JOKE! YELLING AT PEOPLE WILL NOT GET THEM TO NOT VOTE YOU. IN FACT, ANTAGONIZING THEM WILL MAKE THEM WANT TO VOTE YOU EVEN MORE.

[Natirasha]

nat thanks for the pro tip.

Anytime, anytime.

i'm not screaming.

CAPS LOCK IS NOT CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL IN MAFIA. It's screaming.

Of course i want to win. If i'm lynched maybe they will reread my post. If they react, i can still win even if i die. i'm not trying to drive anyone mad.

I never said that your driving anyone mad. You are, however, not helping the case for you to live.

you are so kind to offer me the advise of reading other games. My advice to you is to at least read the thread of the game you are in. In this thread, i already explained i've readed games and your wiki.

Ok. And I read this thread, TYVM.

You are antitown, and you are proud of being so. I don't know if you changed anything there, and i'm almost sure most of the guys here talking about you, defending you, have not readed it, even when i asked, begged them to do so.

I'm sure you can find a finished game or two to prove that I pride myself in being anti-town AND I actually a townie AND I actually was hurting the town, not just saying I'm anti-town.

your anti town is not a joke, and your statistic proved it very well.

My anti-town is a joke and my statistic is coincidental.

and if they vote me or ayone just for antagonizing and not for reasoning, they are terrible players. I really hope not.

It's called a "policy lynch". You are doing the exact same to me.

[Natirasha]

ok massive, nobody is that stupid. You HAVE to be scum.

Seriously, that's not the way to get people to not want to kill you.

[Natirasha]

It's like arguing with a brick wall, except more annoying.

[Natirasha]

unvote, vote: vendetta

Although...

[Natirasha]

I called that.

So...um...where were we?

[Natirasha]

Natirasha

: In your vote for vendetta, what's the "although" all about?

It meant I had a few thoughts about the outcome of the lynch would be. I had a feeling that vendetta was going to end up as a townie.

[Natirasha]

Natirasha, if you had the feeling he was going to end up townie, why did you hammer? What where your opinions on his attempted self-hammer?

I thought day was over. And, yes, I admit, I hammered someone I thought was town. He was being annoying, though, and I allowed a policy lynch take place.

[Natirasha]

I thought day was over.

And the fact that the mod posted a votecount saying that vendetta wasn't lynched didn't tell you otherwise?

No, I meant that the day was over as in, we weren't going to have any more information come out today.

And, yes, I admit, I hammered someone I thought was town.

The main argument against vendetta, at least from my point of view, was that he was trying to lynch anti-town rather then scum. What made you think doing the same was a good idea?[/quote] The main point for me lynching him was his litty hissy-fit at the end.

[Natirasha]

Wait Michel, are y ou saying that you think Nat is scum, or are you voting Nat for playing anti-town by voting for someone who was playing anti-town. This makes no sense to me.

Seems like you are just feeling around to start some kind of bandwagon.

vote MichelSableheart

This. If your voting me simply because of that, that's not really scummy, it's anti-town. If it's anti-town, then your being very hypocritical.

[Natirasha]

I DON'T PLAY AN ANTI-TOWN GAME THAT IS A JOKE. SEE ME ON SCUMCHAT IF YOU WANT MORE INFORMATION.

No, seriously, I don't.

[Natirasha]

EBWOP:By the scumchat remark, I mean the reason I don't play anti-town. Not game-related at all.