Newbie 615: Game over!

[yellowbounder]

Excellent. Let us begin.

Vote: massive

No capital letters; that is a bad thing.

[yellowbounder]

Hello everyone, glad to be in the game, make sure you have fun.

The random voting stage is mainly there to get discussion started. The sooner we're out of it, the better.

So let's see... Natirasha was online on wednesday, but didn't confirm? She probably wanted more time to talk with her scumpartner.

Vote: Natirasha

Placing a vote based on when someone was online is really bad logic. Quite a few people hide their presence on the "online" list, so there could just have been someone else. The scum don't suddenly stop talking when they've confirmed, they stop talking when

the day starts

.

Vote: Natirasha

Yes, I just put myself on L-1.

Yes, we noticed. This isn't scummy, but it's certainly not good for the town. If this is an attempt at controversy to push us out of random voting, it's risky controversy.

[yellowbounder]

Um. Can I just ask WTF? Are we REALLY at L-1? Can any of you speak as to why the heck we are at L-1?

Because I believe tradition trumps safety.

Yes, because all newbie games have to begin with someone at L-1, on the first page(!)

[yellowbounder]

Um. Can I just ask WTF? Are we REALLY at L-1? Can any of you speak as to why the heck we are at L-1?

Because I believe tradition trumps safety.

Yes, because all newbie games have to begin with someone at L-1, on the first page(!)

No, because I vote myself day one. You haven't seen my wiki, have you?

This is

not

helping.

[yellowbounder]

Um. Can I just ask WTF? Are we REALLY at L-1? Can any of you speak as to why the heck we are at L-1?

Because I believe tradition trumps safety.

Yes, because all newbie games have to begin with someone at L-1, on the first page(!)

No, because I vote myself day one. You haven't seen my wiki, have you?

This sort of behavior is not pro-town, and meta gaming in this fashion is really irritating. Claiming that you always act scummy is not a defense for acting scummy.

And although this level of anti-town behavior would normally merit a vote, this would mean hammering you, and it's far too early in the day for that.

FoS: Natirasha

[yellowbounder]

This is also a great time for a

MOD: VOTECOUNT?

[yellowbounder]

We have two possibilities here. Natirasha is town, but being silly and messing with our heads. This will mean that she could likely over shadow the scum with her antics, since acting in an anti town way really doesn't help.

Or Natirasha is scum, and is hiding behind this as a defense, (which she has already stated, she would do if scum).

We have someone where it is impossible to get a read on, because she's always scummy. This is bad play. It doesn't matter whether it's a ploy or not, if you don't go after someone who reeks of scum because they say they always do it, that defies the point.

If I was to say, let's find and lynch the cop, and then say that I always said that, it wouldn't make my statement any less scummy.

Vote: Natirasha

That's L-1.

By the way, hammering yourself, regardless of alignment, is not very good for your team, whether mafia or town.

[yellowbounder]

Would you have hammered yourself if you had been on L-1?

Yes.

Do I have to explain why that would be bad for your chances of winning, regardless of your alignement?

No, but as a counter-argument: Jester.

This is a newbie game. There are no Jesters. That is not a counter-argument to your behavior. Jester is a rare role anyway.

[yellowbounder]

Would you have hammered yourself if you had been on L-1?

Yes.

Do I have to explain why that would be bad for your chances of winning, regardless of your alignement?

Because it makes me a much harder player to get a good read on, and I like player eccentrically. It's fun.

You are aware of the fact that most of the time, being unreadable isn't an advantage? Whenever you are town, you want your fellow pro-town players to know that you are town, making it less likely you are lynched, and therefore more likely scum is lynched.

No, although I have found that acting this way does drag the most attention from scum. They think I'm an easy target not realized that no sane scum would act as scummy as I do.

The problem is that scummy behaviour draws attention from all players. Scum sees an easy target, town sees likely scum. Everyone has reasons to be on your wagon, making it more difficult, not easier, to recognize the scum.

Sigh.

Unvote

. Even though you act, knowingly and on purpose, against the best interest of the town, you aren't acting in the interest of scum either. Hopefully, there will be better chances to discern your alignement later. Besides, I don't want to risk a lynch before everyone has had the chance to talk.

Also, I agree with all of this.

[yellowbounder]

unvote[

I wouldn't want to lynch anyone too rashly, though. Hate to not get any info out of day 1.

DuckOfDeath, not to be too harsh here, but you haven't really posted anything all day, except one line posts. There's not going to be any info if people, including you, don't speak enough.

[yellowbounder]

I am not a fan of "too scummy for scum". The whole concept strays into WIFOM territory, and that's not very good.

[yellowbounder]

vote DuckOfDeath

On page two, you hop onto Natirasha's bandwagon without any explanation of WHY you do, and then immediately back off when it nears actually lynching someone. Can you give any explanation as to either (a) why you would vote someone when you apparently did not want them lynched or (b) why you would jump off of the bandwagon simply because more people voted?

I'd disagree, voting doesn't automatically mean you want them lynched. It just means you're displeased, or you think they have some explaining to do.

If voting indicated a desire for lynching, the first few posts of Day 1 would indicate a bloodthirstiness across the entire town.

To prove my point:

Unvote: Natirasha, Vote: massive

[yellowbounder]

Hey michel!! Van harte gefeliciteerd met je verjaardag!

What he said.

[yellowbounder]

Why would I vote for Natirasha? I do not have any reason to believe that he is scum, just someone playing poorly.

Do you believe I should vote for him? Why?

So what's the difference between playing scummy, and playing poorly? You cannot let someone get away with dripping scum, just because they tend to that a lot. Each case should be judged on its own merits, and Natirasha is not acting, or was not acting, in a protown manner.

[yellowbounder]

Also, Reidra hasn't posted in a while.

I'd agree with that. Reidra, can you post please?

[yellowbounder]

I don't hate the idea of a Reidra lynch. But I would like to hear more from Reidra first.

Redira has made

ONE

post, and we're already ready to lynch her!? COME ON!

unvote, vote: massive

[yellowbounder]

It has occurred to me that everyone's been talking about preventing a lynch that is too early. But think, for a brief second. A mafia trying to end the day early by hammering, would reveal himself and, really, you don't want to do that, regardless of the advantage you may gain.

A protown person will not hammer someone so early in the day either, so I think we may be getting a little over anxious here.

So, I think I'll resume where I was previously. Reactions are important, always.

unvote, vote: Natirasha

[yellowbounder]

Why would scum breadcrumb that they know who the town are? Breadcrumbing, as I believe, is the purposeful leaving of clues to later clear, or identify yourself.

Scum bread crumbing at this Day would not be very good for them, or indeed very good for them at all. Ever.

I don't understand.

Absalutely don't.
Maybe you're crazy.

Something's not right.
Circumspect of what you belive it is
Unknown, really.
Magic ponies!

[yellowbounder]

The contradiction isn't in voting but not lynching. The contradiction is in wanting info out of day 1, but not really doing much to get it.

I am here to learn. How am I supposed to get information?


What exactly is bread crumbing?

Breadcrumb.

Asking questions is a good way to get information. So here are some of mine:

1) Right now, who do you think are the scum?
2) Who seems the most pro-town in your eyes?
3) How have you acted in a protown way, so far?

[yellowbounder]

No, I think we're operating on different meanings of breadcrumb here.

There's a scumtell, scummy behaviour, not pro-town behaviour, but this is from behaviour and isn't purposeful (unless you're weird).

[yellowbounder]

1] I don't really know what to look for, but Erratus Apathos and vendetta seem a little off. I think it is way too hard to tell on the first day.

Then why are you voting for me?

[yellowbounder]

No good reason.

unvote

Why are you voting for Natirasha?

I think we'll gain valuable information from putting someone at L-1 (not just from him, but from everyone), and there's no better target at the moment.

[yellowbounder]

Well, first place in my list is scum, i'm with you there. But i think in day one is pretty much impossible to get it right about finding scum. If anyone has a good/strong case against someone for being scum, i'm more than ready to vote. But even if i saw some suspicious posting, i saw nothing even remotely conclusive yet. That's why i'm still voting nat. Show me scum. and i will change my vote.

SHOW ME THE SCUMMMYYYY!!!!!

If everyone voted on CONCLUSIVE evidence of being scum, then we wouldn't vote at all. Nothing in a mafia game is conclusive, except the alignment of dead people, and what the mod says is true.

Cops can be scum, scum could lie, townspeople could be wrong; the point of a mafia game is to try to work out who's contributing, who's trying, who's scummy, not just voting when the scum goes "Let's lynch the cop!".

unvote, vote: massive

I don't like your vagueness.

[yellowbounder]

Vote: Natirasha

- Being very disruptive and getting attention on himself for no particular reason.
- promises to lurk on day 2, that will be helpful...
- prides himself on being anti-town

You'll need to unvote massive first, otherwise doesn't count.

[yellowbounder]

I don't like your vagueness.

I think you'll find the irony delicious in that I have no way to defend myself against your vague reasoning for voting me.

Ah, crap, confused the two of you.

unvote

[yellowbounder]

yellowbounder

: Who, exactly, did you confuse me with? *ponder*

My post was about vendetta, and I ended up voting you. Similar names in some ways.

[yellowbounder]

Well, first place in my list is scum, i'm with you there. But i think in day one is pretty much impossible to get it right about finding scum. If anyone has a good/strong case against someone for being scum, i'm more than ready to vote. But even if i saw some suspicious posting, i saw nothing even remotely conclusive yet. That's why i'm still voting nat. Show me scum. and i will change my vote.

SHOW ME THE SCUMMMYYYY!!!!!

If everyone voted on CONCLUSIVE evidence of being scum, then we wouldn't vote at all. Nothing in a mafia game is conclusive, except the alignment of dead people, and what the mod says is true.

Cops can be scum, scum could lie, townspeople could be wrong; the point of a mafia game is to try to work out who's contributing, who's trying, who's scummy, not just voting when the scum goes "Let's lynch the cop!".

unvote, vote: massive

I don't like your vagueness.

HERE.

[yellowbounder]

unvote, vote: DuckOfDeath

.


Look, you really want someone dead. It's the sixth page, we don't need them dead on this page. Anyways, I can't counter my meta--although, it is my meta and I wrote my wiki, so....

Lynching people, even if they're town, will provide valuable information for the town to dissect.

Do you have any better people you think we should lynch Natirasha?

[yellowbounder]

Is there a difference between anti-town and scum though?

Scum want to lynch townies, to blend in, to lurk, to cause infighting. None of these are pro-town.

Actually, speaking of lurking, it's still just a couple of people in this game. Where has everyone else gone?

[yellowbounder]

great for you explaining me life, how to behave and reason, etc etc, and letting other players make bad, bad, terrible judging. I'm glad you are so willing to help me understand the game.

..or is it that i'm the one trying to lynch you?

Give me a break, you want me lynched, lynch me, but do not treat me like a child. You make your case, and so they prefered to vote the lynching of the coherent guy instead of lynching the one that has already said it loud and clear that was playing against town. Great, they are not willing to think, is easier to react, to follow the accusing finger. Sheep minds, ok.
But go talk them, not me. I already figured out reasoning is not a good strategy in this game. YOu have to talk, talk, talk, find "evidence" of strange behavior, and point fingers. Luckily, the idiots will follow the finger.
Oh yes, they love it.

I thought reasoning and evidence went hand in hand.

Also, I believe it's common practise for a person at L-1 to claim. Do so, or you'll just get lynched quicker.

[yellowbounder]

He already has, yellowbounder.

Second, if i'm lynched, you townies should feel ashamed for playing this bad. When it will be revealed i'm a

vanilla townie

, look who voted me. Look who where the ones systematically incriminating me. At least my lynching will be of some use. But for that to happen you should start thinking!!!!!!

Vanilla's generally the scum claim of choice, isn't it, since there's no one who can contest it.

[yellowbounder]

bleed bleed bleed

[yellowbounder]

I've sent in the kill of yellowbounder. I didn't want to kill firechicago (lurkers are way too useful mislynch targets), nor anyone on the vendetta wagon. Erratus Apathos had been voting you almost throughout the day, so his kill would have focussed attention on you too much. Yellowbounder, OTOH, has been playing rather pro-town without drawing an awful lot of attention to himself. There is the risk that he's the doc protection, but I hope I have drawn that myself.

Yay, I was pro-town!

Nice work there, didn't really see you as scum.