Camp Ivanhoe

[Anthony Adams]

I version I play specified what was in the correct position/which letter was right but in the wrong position

Also it used letters instead of numbers :P

[Oracle]

One more question for the mods and then I'm going to go grab food:

26599
16599
26599 is considered 2 clicks and a valid way to build our final incorrect combination that we can send to the other tribe correct?

Based on the rules, no. They say it has to be the shortest possible route to be used.

Okay darn I was trying to get creative in how we build the number we post to throw them off.

Sounds like we just have to bite the bullet though. The farthest any number can go is 5 I believe in that case.

Pedit: thanks all for helping me work through the strategies on how this works. It helps me not suggest stupid combo numbers.

I'm going to grab some food I'll be back in about 15ish minutes.

[Oracle]

I version I play specified what was in the correct position/which letter was right but in the wrong position

Also it used letters instead of numbers :P

This sounds a lot like Lingo which is the reference I made earlier. Though in Lingo you actually got to know which letter was in the correct position not just "1 correct"

[Oracle]

Okay I'm back now.

Anthony suggested 2 high numbers, 2 low numbers, 1 repeat.

26599
19923 I think is 15 clicks. It's got 2 high numbers at least 2 low numbers and a repeat. It does have 3 low numbers though. I tried to avoid that I also don't know if giving two repeat numbers might clue them that we wouldn't change those two numbers to the same number? Like if we put "99" in my example above, would they be more or less likely to assume those numbers are a pair somewhere in the sequence?

Just spitballing to get the ball rolling since we have 1.5 hours to come up with a number.

[Anthony Adams]

Imma try to come up with one now that I have time

[Anthony Adams]

26599

I wanna don't want to change the second 9 anymore, since process of elimination is prolly more helpful now that I think about it and 1 hit would eliminate that possibility (in the case of 56789). However, I do not want the pair to be 9s. I notice that there are more higher numbers than lower numbers, so I will change the 9 by 5 to 4.

???49

This will also get a hit in the case of 12345+67890

I do not want to have a 0 or 5 for being on the border, so I will change the 5 by 4 to 1.

??149

Since, I want a pair here, I will change the 6 by 5 to 1.

?1149

That leaves 1 change and since lowering 2 by 1 will make 3 1s, I shall raise it by one leading to 31149

Does that sound reasonable?

[Young Writer]

Wait I'm confused. Anthony are you doing this assuming they get hits on what we scramble it to?

[Young Writer]

Ftr I don't think what we scramble it to has much effect so I'm fine with whatever. I do think 44444 is pretty funny to go with though.

[Oracle]

Ftr I don't think what we scramble it to has much effect so I'm fine with whatever. I do think 44444 is pretty funny to go with though.

Does 44444 work out to 15 clicks? If so, why not.

[Anthony Adams]

Wait I'm confused. Anthony are you doing this assuming they get hits on what we scramble it to?

Wait, am I thinking along the wrong game entirely? :I

I thought we got 15 moves to make a code we want and they have to guess it. :I

[Anthony Adams]

Ignore everything I said. .-.

[Young Writer]

Wait I'm confused. Anthony are you doing this assuming they get hits on what we scramble it to?

Wait, am I thinking along the wrong game entirely? :I

I thought we got 15 moves to make a code we want and they have to guess it. :I

Nope they have to guess the code that we have and are given what we scramble it to.

Tbh I'd much prefer if we were both given the same code and had to guess what the other tribe scrambled it to, but unfortunately we are not in that timeline.

[Richie Tenenbaum]

I don't think the scrambling is going to have much if any impact on the outcome of the challenge unfortunately.  It's just going to be which tribe brute forces the solve first.

[Richie Tenenbaum]

Is the tiebreaker based on the sum of the random combo the mods have given us or the sum of the scramble we come up with?  If it's the former that's even more making this an coin flip challenge.

[Anthony Adams]

Don't worry, I'm a puzzle master! :D

It's all about maximizing our chances. :P

[Anthony Adams]

Ftr I don't think what we scramble it to has much effect so I'm fine with whatever. I do think 44444 is pretty funny to go with though.

Does 44444 work out to 15 clicks? If so, why not.

2+2+1+5+5 :0 it does!

[Anthony Adams]

Wait I'm confused. Anthony are you doing this assuming they get hits on what we scramble it to?

Wait, am I thinking along the wrong game entirely? :I

I thought we got 15 moves to make a code we want and they have to guess it. :I

Nope they have to guess the code that we have and are given what we scramble it to.

Tbh I'd much prefer if we were both given the same code and had to guess what the other tribe scrambled it to, but unfortunately we are not in that timeline.

Yeah I was confused why 44444 was brought up as a possibility :I

[Oracle]

I don't think the scrambling is going to have much if any impact on the outcome of the challenge unfortunately.  It's just going to be which tribe brute forces the solve first.

It might help us solve it faster (if we figure out numbers the number of clicks would be reduced and the numbers would shrink exponentially), which is true for both sides depending on what is randomly guessed.

In any case, I can't think of anything specifically better than all 4s like we said in the very beginning. I appreciate us at least talking it out to see if we could come up with something better.

Pedit: Yup Anthony has confirmed it comes out to 15. Therefore I can't see it being better or worse and it ultimately gives them no indication about our number any more than any other number.

[Wes Anderson]

Is the tiebreaker based on the sum of the random combo the mods have given us or the sum of the scramble we come up with?  If it's the former that's even more making this an coin flip challenge.

It is based on what you scramble it to.

[Richie Tenenbaum]

Based on Wes' tie breaker confirmation I think we should try to find the highest value of the sum of digits in a scrambled combo we can achieve

[Anthony Adams]

99995?

[Oracle]

Based on Wes' tie breaker confirmation I think we should try to find the highest value of the sum of digits in a scrambled combo we can achieve

26599

To get 99999, that would take 10 clicks, meaning we would need to tone down the 9s.

99877 is 13 clicks.

99866 is 15 clicks I believe.

[Oracle]

99995?

That's only 14 clicks I think? so 99994?

[Anthony Adams]

2 - 9 is 3... okay I thought it was 4 on my first attempt :I, you're right

[Oracle]

So my only problem with 99994 is that I personally feel either by accident or by process of elimination they will figure out that 4 is a 9 and that we spent 5 clicks on the last digit. In fact a difference that large almost ensures it. So it has to be high without giving too much away. At least I don't know how smart the other side is but that's what would stand out to me if we went with that.