Survivor: Wes Anderson
Behind the Scenes => Viewing Audience => Topic started by: Wes Anderson on October 06, 2021, 04:44:47 pm
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Looks like Madame D. brought some strong pro Gustave energy to the jury. I wonder how influential she can be! Could Oracle’s Natalie White comp bear out? Would that make Richie into Russell and the Suzy move into his DD?
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Btw, I love Richie! I don't think he's actually like Russell of course, just that if Gustave is Natalie White, someone has to be Russell. He definitely was very forceful with his way of seeing things though which I think we did get reflected in the Home Theater episodes successfully.
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I am going to be devastated if Richie doesn't pull this one off. My god, he cares so much. I really hope the Jury can see that and gives it to him. Oracle and Gustave are great, but this means so much more to Richie. I think they'd both be content losing, but losing will crush him.
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Will we have a live reveal in the MS discord of everyone who played and the winner or no?
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My interpretation of where votes are at.
Richie: Margot, Writer, Royal
Oracle: Herman, Buckley, Duke
Gustave:
???: Peter, Suzy, Madame
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Oracle: Herman, Buckley, Duke, Double A
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Will we have a live reveal in the MS discord of everyone who played and the winner or no?
There is a Doodle to choose the time of the reveal, but yes the reveal will happen on here, but we will be together on voice over Discord as well.
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All of their questions to Oracle being that they don't have questions and just love him makes me irrationally angry, especially when they are stoning Richie out or asking him really tough questions. I get why some might vote for Oracle, but he played such a flawed game so even if you love him, there are questions you can ask.
Overall I really dislike the way this Jury is handling things so far. And it's very clear that Richie should have idoled out Oracle at this point. Oracle probably would've respected him for it. Suzy being so bitter really poisoned the Jury, but I guess Madame arrived at that conclusion independently so it probably really is something about how Richie handles people.
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Damn, you can say that Suzy is hypocritical and she probably is, but a raw emotional moment like that is extremely compelling. I'm glad to not be in Richie's shoes right now.
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Will we have a live reveal in the MS discord of everyone who played and the winner or no?
There is a Doodle to choose the time of the reveal, but yes the reveal will happen on here, but we will be together on voice over Discord as well.
I need to know what time that will be at, so I can show up. When is the live reveal expected to happen? What day?
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Will we have a live reveal in the MS discord of everyone who played and the winner or no?
There is a Doodle to choose the time of the reveal, but yes the reveal will happen on here, but we will be together on voice over Discord as well.
I need to know what time that will be at, so I can show up. When is the live reveal expected to happen? What day?
There is no time planned yet because as I said, there's a Doodle to schedule it. Fill it out to tell us your availability and we'll pick the best time for the most people.
https://doodle.com/poll/h7s737p4vhqaqive?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link
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This jury is really depressing to read and frankly if Suzy actually feels that way about what she said in Richie's thread, then she definitely shouldn't be playing a game about lies and deception (she is also super hypocritical in this regard but whatever).
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Is peter actually gonna randomize their vote lmao
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Probably, he is extremely salty over the whole Assistant Producer thing.
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I really hate it. Randomizing your vote is not quirky or cool. It disrespects the players who put months of effort into this. I get that Peter hasn't been paying attention and hates that he doesn't have a full vote, but just read the speeches and make a choice based on them.
I get why Richie is boycotting it, but also man he needs Peter's vote. I just hope this game isn't decided by a randomized vote, although realistically I think Gustave would give the win the Oracle if there was a tie anyway so probably could only help Richie.
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Come onnnnnnnn Buckley, Duke and Madame D. Come through and vote Richie! You know it's the right thing to do.
Nothing but love to Oracle and Gustave but they didn't even really believe in themselves.
I have faith in Margot and Young Writer and in Royal. So just needs two of Duke, Madame D., and Buckley or just one if he can accomplish a split vote. A 4-3-2.5 is very possible (or a 3.5-3-2 if Peter randomly goes to him).
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Suzy being so bitter really poisoned the Jury, but I guess Madame arrived at that conclusion independently so it probably really is something about how Richie handles people.
After they voted out Margot he said to both of them that he didn’t know if someone “put that idea into your head” and that kind of comment can feel pretty disrespectful. Then following that up with the revenge idol I think was not a good look.
When Peter was reacting to the Assistant Producer thing I was like oh man this might have been a bad idea, but if that’s why he’s doing the random thing then that’s kind of misdirected because it’s the finalists he’s taking it out on, so I hope it’s not that. Also, in all honesty, I’ve made the merge and missed the jury before and I didn’t like it! To me getting to be in the jury is good, and there really is a strong chance his vote could count here. :| I do see he ended up asking Oracle some actual questions... Hm. Now he asked one to Gustave. Who knows what he's doing!
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I think Oracle is screwing up by telling people that his whole pre-Royal speech attitude was an intentional play to lower his threat level. Like, he's claiming in multiple threads he was mismanaging the jury on purpose, and the royal speech meant it had worked. i really don't think that was his intent and I don't think people are going to buy it?
just be honest that you were conflicted on votes, wanted to rebuild relationships and have options, but were doing that everywhere too hard and had to go back on promises just made. Then Royal's post showed him the light that this was poisoning the jury and he learned and pivoted...
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I made the active choice not to mention anything to you because I needed a black stain on my jury management card to progress further in this game.
It's not like other players in the game know he didn't PM Writer back or that he said he didn't vote for him the first time because that's not what friends do!
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I hope the finalists are doing well but I really cannot be bothered to click on all these threads
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Suzy is SO self absorbed and hypocritical, jesus christ.
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I didn’t think her post in the Richie thread was too intense? Like, you hurt me and I cried but I’m not cursing you out and I guess I’m some way I respect you— ok fine?
It’s never gonna happen but I hope so bad she somehow votes for Richie, that would be just perfect.
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"A loyal game to the end." Sure, let's ask Herman Blume and Young Writer what they think about Suzy's loyalty.
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Also I know I need to think this since I set it up but I like this formatting. It’s just so organized and I’m also happy to be throwing back to the old school approach where each juror gets their moment. The jury round table change on the show is fine with me, I reserve my ire for f4 fire, but this does feel good and pure.
And the privacy is a fun way just to be a little different and innovative while also helping finalists who best understand what actually went on in the game. No copying off your neighbors!
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"A loyal game to the end." Sure, let's ask Herman Blume and Young Writer what they think about Suzy's loyalty.
Oh yeah she’s not without hypocrisy, that’s for sure. although tbf she never actually turned on Herman the round he went out, just trusted Richie with information she shouldn’t have. But he sure blames her for it plus she didn’t fill him in on the flip at 10. Hypocrisy is pretty natural when experiencing these games in your own subjective way. They’re all hypocrites except maybe Gustave who probably is rolling over a little too hard for my liking. I think neither Gustave or Oracle are giving fence sitters exactly what they’re looking for so far. But are these “fence” jurors actually willing to vote Richie? 🤔
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The Heist Notebook instructions to grab the Idol required me to post specific phrases in my confessional during the time while the live
eat your heart out real survivor! We did the three-part phrase that pays here first!
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Suzy voting for Richie would redeem a lot in my eyes and be a very fitting ending. Emotion is expected in Survivor, so we can't blame her for that. The fact that she's even considering it makes me respect her.
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Man I feel for Richie. Even if he does win, FTC sucks ass.
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I really hate it. Randomizing your vote is not quirky or cool. It disrespects the players who put months of effort into this. I get that Peter hasn't been paying attention and hates that he doesn't have a full vote, but just read the speeches and make a choice based on them.
I get why Richie is boycotting it, but also man he needs Peter's vote. I just hope this game isn't decided by a randomized vote, although realistically I think Gustave would give the win the Oracle if there was a tie anyway so probably could only help Richie.
Tbf, I kinda emphasize with Peter on wanting to randomize based on having half a vote. I don't know how in-depth Peter went, but I don't think there are any situations that having a half-vote radically changes the outcome. Any outcomes changed by the half-vote would also be changed by a full-vote. The half-vote just makes it so Peter has to choose the majority option to further cement it, or whoever Peter votes for just can't win if they're minority/would tie with a full vote?
Like, the ties here with full votes are 3-3-3 or 4-4-1. Peter's half-vote means in both situations, the person they vote for just can't win/tie? If it's the first one, it becomes a 3-3-2.5 vote, if it's the second one, it becomes a 4-3.5-1 vote.
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Like, maybe it works as a "pick who you don't want to win" vote if the jury would tie in a 3-3-3 or 4-4-1, but at the same time, like ???
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Actually, now that I think about it, that's like the only thing that it radically changes that a full vote wouldn't change, but like, I think that's a edge enough case that like, I don't think it'd happen?
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I really hate it. Randomizing your vote is not quirky or cool. It disrespects the players who put months of effort into this. I get that Peter hasn't been paying attention and hates that he doesn't have a full vote, but just read the speeches and make a choice based on them.
I get why Richie is boycotting it, but also man he needs Peter's vote. I just hope this game isn't decided by a randomized vote, although realistically I think Gustave would give the win the Oracle if there was a tie anyway so probably could only help Richie.
Tbf, I kinda emphasize with Peter on wanting to randomize based on having half a vote. I don't know how in-depth Peter went, but I don't think there are any situations that having a half-vote radically changes the outcome. Any outcomes changed by the half-vote would also be changed by a full-vote. The half-vote just makes it so Peter has to choose the majority option to further cement it, or whoever Peter votes for just can't win if they're minority/would tie with a full vote?
Like, the ties here with full votes are 3-3-3 or 4-4-1. Peter's half-vote means in both situations, the person they vote for just can't win/tie? If it's the first one, it becomes a 3-3-2.5 vote, if it's the second one, it becomes a 4-3.5-1 vote.
To convince Peter he mattered and it wasn’t meant to be insulting or a joke at his expense I posted to him earlier my breakdown in which I found that if you have a F3 with 8 jurors with normal votes, there are three cases where any one juror can ordain a new winner outright by flipping their vote: 4-4-0, 3-3-2, 4-3-1. In the first two of those cases, Peter can also ordain a new winner by dropping his vote in on top, so that’s two out of three situations where he matters as much as anyone. In the final case he cannot select a new winner, but that’s also a smaller case, since only the 4 on the current winner have that power. My conclusion is that the half vote is 80% as likely to determine the winner as any single whole vote.
Possibly the science isn’t exact there but in theory it’s still plenty powerful enough to matter, and he should be aware of that now. But in practice it surely felt like an “F U lol” to someone who had already just been voted out and I regretted the idea as soon as I saw his initial reaction.
This all came about because I originally developed this game with 9 jurors and some convoluted tiebreak for a 3-3-3 that everyone agreed was bad. Skelda was an advocate for cutting one juror but I still wanted to start jury at merge. I forget who thought of the half vote, could’ve been Sirius maybe, but as soon as the Assistant Producer title came to me I was all in. This is a game full of small twists and quirks designed to keep players on their toes without substantially changing the underlying game, and this was just one that didn’t end up landing.
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Mildly cursed impression of FTC
(https://i.gyazo.com/3e153e9b0c85d770c91fbcf4a110fc8d.png)
Lmao
Not sure Richie is exactly cackling, more like pleading come on people that’s the game, but still this is good
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lmao
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Yea, but once again - what does having half a vote change that a full vote doesn’t? Like, maybe in the event of what would be a 3-3-3 or 4-4-1 tie, your vote is now the “pick who cannot win” vote, which like, that as a concept is cool. I like that concept as a tiebreaker vote where you actively get to decide who doesn’t make it to the tie/win.
I’m also kinda thinking about it as if I were to have gotten that, how I’d feel. I still think I’d just be confused why I wasn’t given a full vote.
Once again - in that last case of 4-3-1, if I wanted to vote for the 3, my vote simply doesn’t matter and that just kinda sucks IMO?
I genuinely think the idea is interesting, but executed in a weird way that just is a turn off? I think a better way of doing it would’ve either been a doublet vote, (you get 2 votes, each worth 0.5 votes), so that way you can at least have a full vote on someone, or quite simply - your vote simply negates half a vote from someone, meaning your vote is now “pick who you don’t want to win” which would still avoid a 3-3-3 tie
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Mildly cursed impression of FTC
(https://i.gyazo.com/3e153e9b0c85d770c91fbcf4a110fc8d.png)
Lmao
Not sure Richie is exactly cackling, more like pleading come on people that’s the game, but still this is good
I agree with this honestly from what I’ve read of the FTC
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I wonder if we had been up front about this and maybe rebranded it as a tiebreaker, maybe that would've been received better.
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predictions
Madame D- Richie (potentially Gustave)
Suzy Bishop- Oracle (decent shot Richie)
Margot- Richie
Royal- Richie (or?)
Duke- Oracle (despite complaints)
Herman- Gustave, strong chance Oracle though. He said in the jury forum earlier he was leaning Oracle but he obviously values loyalty and honesty most
Young Writer- Richie
Buckley- Gustave? I think Madame's jury support meant a lot and jury questioning was sympathetic. He also asked Richie some interesting questions and just barked at Oracle
Peter- Random bs
If Richie gets four he likely wins so I guess I have him as the favorite
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Before I began that exercise I wasn't really thinking Richie had any advantage... guess he might though?
although, there's not much margin and any flip can turn it. if for example madame D votes gustave like she originally intended and the other predictions hold, it's 3-3-2 with Peter's rng possibly deciding. I've tried to make clear to him his vote could matter... like, he definitely should know that at this point. If he still rngs......
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whos winnin'
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Also 2000 words is too few! Just saying.
tell it to the people who have to read all that...
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Also 2000 words is too few! Just saying.
tell it to the people who have to read all that...
The ironic part is he already might have lost Duke’s vote for giving such long answers in the questioning phase!
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Mildly cursed impression of FTC
(https://i.gyazo.com/3e153e9b0c85d770c91fbcf4a110fc8d.png)
Lmao
Not sure Richie is exactly cackling, more like pleading come on people that’s the game, but still this is good
I agree with this honestly from what I’ve read of the FTC
nice proZD reference from duke there (yes hi i've been totally watching all along)
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Oof, do not like Richie’s final speech. It’s confrontational to jurors whose votes he needs and I think it could cost him. Also while there have indeed been allusions to an Oracle/Madame/Suzy threesome I never saw them talk much about it and I don’t think it was really a thing.
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I don't like his speech either, but I do relate to his frustration. I have felt that way for closing speeches as well. He just needs to be a bit less proud I think. His pride is the reason he only made one post in Peter's thread, and it's showing itself as a flaw again.
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Using the closing speech of a winnable game to accuse the jury of having cognitive dissonance, shocking stuff really imo. It’ll cost him Suzy if he has her, Madame, he’s even calling out Margot.
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Richie's speech is probably a little too much, which is unfortunate. I think the majority of his digs at the jurors seem valid, but I'm not sure saying it out loud is going to help him. Though in some cases (Herman), he's already lost the vote and may as well try something extreme to get through to them.
I hope Richie wins, I think he played the best game. But I'm afraid that's not going to be the result here. :/
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The Herman part I kind of like even though I think that’s a lost cause.